New Items Coming to Station Marketplace on 5-5-09

[Kiara]

<p>Take a look at the newest items that will be available through the <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/en/stationcash/" target="_blank">Station Marketplace</a>! These items will be available on 5/5/09.</p> <table cellpadding="0" width="600" bgcolor="#663300"><tbody><tr><td><div><table cellpadding="0" width="595" bgcolor="#eddfc5" bordercolor="#000000"><tbody><tr><td><table cellpadding="0" width="595"><tbody><tr><td></td> <td></td></tr> <tr><td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09may/armoire_info.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09may/armoire_info_th.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="206" /></a></div></td> <td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09may/armoire.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09may/armoire_th.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="180" /></a></div></td></tr> <tr><td> </td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=3072&section=News&locale=en_US"><strong>Read more!</strong></a></p>

[Seomon]

<p>Less Marketplace items, more in-game items via new quests, drops, or recipes please.</p>

[x82nd77]

<p><cite>Seomon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Less Marketplace items, more in-game items via new quests, drops, or recipes please.</p></blockquote><p>Seomon Seomon Seomon... they don't make money on quests, drops or recipes.  Unless you count the cost we paid for the game and our monthly subscriptions.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[tab542]

<h1><span style="font-size: small;">Go go racial change via Marketplace!!</span></h1>

[Lodrelhai]

<p>Another complete set?</p><p>At this point I'd like to request that anyone using SM furniture to decorate their house be inelegible to appear in the Norrathian Homeshow features.  Finding in-game (especially carpenter-made) match sets that look decent is next to impossible in most cases - only since Domino has arrived have carpeters gotten anything like match sets, and they are few enough.  Decorators who take the standard stuff that is mismatched and looks like it's straight out of a secondhand store and make fabulous layouts with it put a heck of a lot more care into their decorating than someone who just plunks down some real cash and has a complete bedroom and dining room set.</p>

[Kokus]

<p>The more I see of updates like this, over real game content, just gets me more annoyed.  Priorities aren't on the player, and what they want, just on money, more so, then ever before....</p><p>Why can't a new good MMO come out already?</p>

[Arturoz]

<p>I dunno why people even care about these station items im waiting for all servers to be made exchange servers WHOOT!!!  that will be awsome. </p><p>In all honesty we should boycot all of the house items or items that could be crafted by a tradeskiller to include the armor pieces and all of that stuff..   Face it sony doesnt care and so now we as tradeskillers are forced to compete for sales with not only other tradeskillers on the broker but the very developers of our game?? and they get to make stuff we cannot? we cant undercut their prices heck we cant even craft it...   Its like shoping for a car that and all you can find is fords.. then out comes a lambo how can we compete with that..   Its BS sony and u should be ashamed of yourselves.</p>

[Batez]

<p>Omg!  I can't steal mommies credit card anymore but its already stored on my account so she thinks she took it away MUHAHA!</p><p>Omg! I can't undercut "Fellow carpenters" that I care so much about, yet I will undermine their very existance and presence on the server by having a price war!</p><p>Question, do you care that the "plat" you make from crafting is 50% likely to have been purchased from an online gold selling site?  You essentially sold that furniture for real life money.  Do you personally track everyones in game plat to see if they ever bought plat? </p><p>So people are buying furniture for real money, it's not a big deal.  Either they buy the furniture directly from SOE with money or they buy plat and buy furniture off of you.</p><p>By the way,  (hopefully this doesn't break any EULA) but I have purchased several sets of the furniture and sold them for platinum in game.  People ARE paying me platinum for it.</p><p>ALSO!  HI KIARA THIS IS COMARI FROM NAGAFEN! =)</p>

[Mustang8259]

<p>You milk that cash cow Sony! Milk it!  Pathetic, this is what we pay our ACCOUNT FEES for, not to be double charged... we're getting the screws put to our wallets, and now we are paying extra for the <span ><span style="font-size: x-small;">privilege of having those screws put there... Genius, pure marketing genius I tell you! /rant off</span></span></p>

[Spyderbite]

<p><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You milk that cash cow Sony! Milk it!  Pathetic, this is what we pay our ACCOUNT FEES for, not to be double charged...</p></blockquote><p>They're not charging you any more than $15/account/month if you don't buy the items. ^^</p><p>I'd prefer that set was available via a carpenter.. but, since its not, I'll shell out the cash for them.</p><p>I learned a long time ago that its easier to adapt than to fight change in the gaming industry. No matter that there are hundreds of people in the forums complaining. There are 1000's more in game who are obviously buying this stuff. If those with opinions here were't so outnumbered by those using Market Place.. then the Market Place would no longer exist.</p>

[AutumnKiss]

<p><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I learned a long time ago that its easier to adapt than to fight change in the gaming industry. No matter that there are hundreds of people in the forums complaining. There are 1000's more in game who are obviously buying this stuff. If those with opinions here were't so outnumbered by those using Market Place.. then the Market Place would no longer exist.</p></blockquote><p>Seriously?</p><p>Spyder, you know I lub joo long time, but since when did you become such a follower?</p><p>No matter how "outnumbered" you think those who disagree with the SM are by those who use it, if you don't voice your opinion on the subject you're only reinforcing the belief of SOE that it's a preferred and desired service.</p><p>Remember when EQ2 launched, and they maintained it would never have PvP?  And now... we have PvP.  Why? Because even though we were outnumbered in voices on the boards regarding who wanted and didn't want PvP, those that wanted it available were strong enough to fight for it.  Rather than just saying "Well, we're obviously outnumbered, so we might as well just go with the flow".</p><p>I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with the Station Market.  Although, I do agree that the Norrathian Home Show / House Decorating contests should not allow SM items to be included in the decorating (that gives preference to individuals with more real world dollars to spend).  However - if you do or do not like the Station Market you should give the loudest voice possible to your opinion so that it can be counted.</p><p>They made Station Exchange servers for the people who wanted to play that way.</p><p>They made PvP servers for the people who wanted to play that way.</p><p>Who says they can't make a Station Market server for the people who want to play that way, too?  NOTHING is impossible, and we won't know until or unless we make our opinions known.</p>

[Kordran]

<p><cite>Rhoe@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Spyder, you know I lub joo long time, but since when did you become such a follower?</blockquote><p>Sometimes I do think that Spyder gets a bit fanboyish in his support for all things SOE, but I believe the point he was making had to do with a general observation about the MMO industry as a whole: slowly but surely, things are shifting away from the traditional subscription model towards what we're seeing now with more and more money being made from "microtransaction" purchases, a buck here, five bucks there. It wouldn't be difficult for SOE to make a full-on transition to that model, offering starter gear, zone unlocks, etc. as extra purchases, with the subscription just giving you access to the base game.</p><p>The days of "all you can eat" buffet gaming where a subscription fee allows you the opportunity to get/see/do everything in the game is on the way out -- tiered content, based on either combinations of base subscription fees or free-to-play, along with additional "extras" bought online through the game, is the direction the industry as a whole is moving. We're quickly coming to the point that if that sort of thing really offends you, your option is going to be to stop playing MMOs (at least any of the newer ones).</p>

[Spyderbite]

<p><cite>Kordran wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sometimes I do think that Spyder gets a bit fanboyish in his support for all things SOE, but I believe the point he was making had to do with a general observation about the MMO industry as a whole: slowly but surely, things are shifting away from the traditional subscription model towards what we're seeing now with more and more money being made from "microtransaction" purchases</p></blockquote><p>This is exactly the point I was and have been making since Station Cash was introduced. It's not going to be a matter of quitting the game and going to play something else.. Eventually, its going to be "I don't like RMT.. so I have to quit Gaming".</p><p>Nothing Fanbois in my posts about Station Cash. I follow the entire gaming industry. That's been my job for almost 2 decades as I've written game reviews for magazines, hosted talk shows on radio stations, etc. This is the direction gaming is going.</p><p>And, as I've learned over the years.. its necessary to either adapt or quit. If I hadn't adapted.. and thought that complaining about "change" thought it would work. You'd all be playing on PvP servers and there would be no such thing as PvE. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Armawk]

<p>Noone objects to free realms.. its the double dipping in THIS game that is the problem for people.</p>

[Spyderbite]

<p><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Noone objects to free realms.. its the double dipping in <strong>THIS</strong> game that is the problem for people.</p></blockquote><p>Blizzard has already started implementing the same kind of system. AoC.. in the works. Warcraft Online.. ditto. All the big boys are jumping on board.. SOE just took the first leap.</p>

[Hirofortis]

<p>I really don't care if they wanna double dip. I am strickly against ruining classes in game due to it though.  Guess it is time for my carpenter to retire.</p>

[Armawk]

<p><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Noone objects to free realms.. its the double dipping in <strong>THIS</strong> game that is the problem for people.</p></blockquote><p>Blizzard has already started implementing the same kind of system. AoC.. in the works. Warcraft Online.. ditto. All the big boys are jumping on board.. SOE just took the first leap.</p></blockquote><p>Cool, now even people who play other games have a reason to hate them <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gaige]

<p><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Blizzard has already started implementing the same kind of system. AoC.. in the works. Warcraft Online.. ditto. All the big boys are jumping on board.. SOE just took the first leap.</p></blockquote><p>Links for AoC and WHO's rmt systems?</p><p>No one is saying all RMT is bad, people are saying RMT on servers that were explicitly supposed to be RMT free is bad. Smedley lied and it irks people.  Pretty much all there is to it.</p>

[Koriani]

<p>Um yea same for Blizzard - outside of transferring characters or changing your sex (which I have no problems with you paying for that) - there is no RMT and no news that one is occuring either.  There is really no in-game gear or items you pay money for unless you're counting rare loot cards..</p><p>AoC?? Where?</p><p>Sony is really the biggest one of hte US markets that convinces their players that this is worth it. I really do NOT see this as teh future of gaming since every OTHER producer is NOT moving towards is.</p><p>First leap doesn't mean its setting the standard- considering all of Sony games population doesn't touch games like EVE and WoW - I'd say its going the opposite way.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>Every time another one of these threads pops up, it's the saaaame old thing.</p><p>The saaaame old people who just don't like station cash finding another reason to jump up and down flailing their arms wildly in dispute.</p><p>... What to do, what to do.</p><p>I KNOW!  *Pops popcorn*</p><p>((Oh, and this is so going to be my character's new bedroom set.  Least until Domino releases something better in the next few GU's/Expansion))</p>

[Enever]

<p>That's right! make Carpenters suffer even more! yeah!</p>

[Thunderthyze]

<p><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I learned a long time ago that its easier to adapt than to fight change in the gaming industry. No matter that there are hundreds of people in the forums complaining.</p></blockquote><p> For some reason this came to mind when I read your post Spyder:</p><p><em><strong>Clyde:</strong>  Are you guys dumb? We can't beat him, even with all of us. It's a waste of time. </em></p><p><em><strong>Stan:</strong>  Dude, we have to try. </em></p><p><em><strong>Clyde:</strong>  I've got better things to do. </em></p><p><em><strong>Cartman:</strong>  Clyde, Clyde! If you had a chance right now to go back in time and stop Hitler, wouldn't you do it?  I mean, I personally wouldn't stop him because I think he was awesome, but you would, right? </em></p><p><em><strong>Clyde:</strong> I'm just gonna stop playing. </em></p><p><em><strong>Cartman:</strong>  When Hitler rose to power there were a lot of people who just stopped playing. You know who those people were? The French! Are you French, Clyde?</em></p>

[DreadPirate]

<p>What?</p><p>No full-length mirror?</p><p><img src="http://www.mirrorsontheweb.com/prodimages-cdls/POW/POWELL-998-773.jpg" width="208" height="383" /></p>

[Ringgirl]

<p>I agree that carpenters should be able to make nice stuff such as this but my biggest peeve is that all the cool stuff from the marketplace isnt allowed to be placed in the guild hall.</p><p>Why is this? Is it an issue with lag or what? Why make the items available at all? Theres strict limits on the amount of items you can place in a house or hall and I dont understand why the two should be different. I've vowed not to spend my money on anything else from the marketplace until I can place things in my hall as well.</p>

[Xissu]

<p>I don't agree with the station markeplace personally, what annoy's me most about it is the money to design it had to have come from our already paid subscription fees. Yet rather than taking that money and designing or better yet FIXING the in game content that we are paying for... they used it to design this CRAP... and then asked me to pay for it again.  Ok you are probably right there is not much that is going to change this, but I've long since decided that I'm putting my money where my mouth is, I'm not buying ANYTHING on the station marketplace... period.  I'd also like to request that any further development done into this crap... be done with what ever money you garner from the marketplace itself, I pay for you to maintain and perhaps upgrade the core game... not to come up with more ways of fleecing me.</p>

[Editedmind]

<p>This is the way the game industry is going?  Hahaha, no. This is one of the things free to play games have been doing for years as an alternate means of income. SOE should make EQ2 free to play or slash the subscription fee in half if they seriously plan to seek other methods of generating income. These "extras" are starting to border on being detrimental to the actual game experience they're trying to sell in the first place.</p><p>What's worse is that for years we're told that they can't make half decent looking clothes, or furniture, and now they start pumping out these clothing and furniture sets every month.</p><p>The next thing we're going to be seeing is banner ads ingame... Joy. That or some essential items or potion that you can't do without...</p><p>Here's a suggestion for SOE. Make some adventure packs you can sell on the marketplace, with RECIPES, and regular rewards for playing. At least then you will actually be adding new CONTENT to the game instead of this RMT crap.</p>

[Kokus]

<p><cite>Editedmind wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's a suggestion for SOE. Make some adventure packs you can sell on the marketplace, with RECIPES, and regular rewards for playing. At least then you will actually be adding new CONTENT to the game instead of this RMT crap.</p></blockquote><p>Problem is, they weren't selling the adventure packs for very much.  Here, they can sell A LOT less for the same amount, or more.  Why spend the all the extra time creating content when you can just create 1 item, and sell it for the same?</p>

[Amphibia]

<p><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Noone objects to free realms.. its the double dipping in THIS game that is the problem for people.</p></blockquote><p>So far it has been only fluff items, though. Yes, furniture items are fluff. (Level 80 carpenter/decorator here)</p><p>Y'all know what the economical situation in the world is like at the moment, right? Not so good? Yeah. Might have something to do with it. Personally, I'd rather they keep the game running rather smoothly, and if they need SC to do it? Fine by me. I doubt I'll be buying lots of this stuff personally. Maybe one set for an alt, but most decorating I do is commision.</p><p>Honestly, the stuff you can do with the carpenter made stuff + your own creativity beats this set any day.</p>

[Scarz]

<p>What bothers me about this forum thread is the amount of complaining that Carpenters can't make these items.</p><p>How many of you played EQ2 the day it was released and experienced the inter-dependancy of Tradeskilling?</p><p>EQ2 was perfect the first week it was released in my opinion.</p><p>Inter-dependancy for Tradeskilling just makes sense when compared to real world Trade skills. And games like EQ2 generally try to make <span style="text-decoration: underline;">most</span> players satisfied and happy.</p><p>If most players didn't complain about the inter-dependancy of other trades, then it's likely you Carpenters and mine included, would be making items as beautiful as these. Tougher tradeskill recipes should require more then just gathering materials in the guild depot and letting anyone with enough skill to make the best furniture items.</p><p>Maybe this thread can turn more productive if you rally together, and instead of complaining about secondary income to SOE or your carpenters lack of ability to make these items, and instead be constructive with the thread and find solutions that SOE can use to allow players / Carpenters to be inter-dependant to make these specific items.</p><p>If your serious about your tradeskilling as I am, then find a solution that SOE can work with.</p><p>As for me, I enjoy making my payment to SOE for the game even while I don't like how over simplified Tradeskilling has become. I will also enjoy decorating my Home with these items through the Market Place. After all, the game is about having fun and enjoying your experience in the game, not so much about every aspect I could be complaining about.</p>

[Editedmind]

<p><cite>Elvanshalee@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Editedmind wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's a suggestion for SOE. Make some adventure packs you can sell on the marketplace, with RECIPES, and regular rewards for playing. At least then you will actually be adding new CONTENT to the game instead of this RMT crap.</p></blockquote><p>Problem is, they weren't selling the adventure packs for very much.  Here, they can sell A LOT less for the same amount, or more.  Why spend the all the extra time creating content when you can just create 1 item, and sell it for the same?</p></blockquote><p>Yet they have no problems releasing zones between expansions, running numerous holiday events, and putting their time in other stuff?</p><p>If EQ2 is having such cash problems then someone should rethink their priorities and make the core game experience worth more instead of releasing this counter-productive stuff on the marketplace.</p>

[Amphibia]

<p><cite>Scarz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What bothers me about this forum thread is the amount of complaining that Carpenters can't make these items.</p><p>How many of you played EQ2 the day it was released and experienced the inter-dependancy of Tradeskilling?</p><p>EQ2 was perfect the first week it was released in my opinion.</p><p>Inter-dependancy for Tradeskilling just makes sense when compared to real world Trade skills. And games like EQ2 generally try to make <span style="text-decoration: underline;">most</span> players satisfied and happy.</p><p>If most players didn't complain about the inter-dependancy of other trades, then it's likely you Carpenters and mine included, would be making items as beautiful as these. Tougher tradeskill recipes should require more then just gathering materials in the guild depot and letting anyone with enough skill to make the best furniture items.</p><p>Maybe this thread can turn more productive if you rally together, and instead of complaining about secondary income to SOE or your carpenters lack of ability to make these items, and instead be constructive with the thread and find solutions that SOE can use to allow players / Carpenters to be inter-dependant to make these specific items.</p><p>If your serious about your tradeskilling as I am, then find a solution that SOE can work with.</p><p>As for me, I enjoy making my payment to SOE for the game even while I don't like how over simplified Tradeskilling has become. I will also enjoy decorating my Home with these items through the Market Place. After all, the game is about having fun and enjoying your experience in the game, not so much about every aspect I could be complaining about.</p></blockquote><p>As a decorator who do a lot of commission jobs, what you suggest would have been pretty horrible to deal with. If I was dependant of others to make the items I need in order to create a design, it would take me 10 times longer to get anything done.</p><p>And God, how I hated inter-dependancy. And those horribly time consuming sub-components. So glad they got rid of that crap. I'll never play a game with a system like that again, it just isn't fun to me. MMO's are timesinks enough in themselves. We really don't need artificial timesinks on top of that. To me, the fun is in creating designs, not clicking buttons... and certainly NOT waiting around for other crafters to help me make stuff I should be able to make myself.</p><p>I also fail to see what any of this has to do with SC? You realize they have a person dedicated to design these items specifically for SC, and that without that they would never have been created in the first place? This has nothing to do with crafting in EQ2, and everything to do with business.</p>

[Wolphin]

<p>why are we carpenters and even some players annoyed? because for the longest time<span > carpenters and even non-caprenter players, been askign to have some player crafted dressers? not the things they have called dressers but real dressers. we have had beds, nightstands and armoires a plenty, but how many real dresser looking crafted items have we had? there was a simple dresser at level 15, but it was a 2 door cabinet really, not a dresser of drawers and all the other ones called dressers were really just armoires as well. So now the only one that looks like a real dresser is a SC item.... <img src="../images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /> </span></p><p>were are our player crafted real dressers?!?!? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

[QuestingCrafter]

<p>My suggestions:</p><p>1. Keep SM chugging along as is.</p><p>2. Make SM furniture items craftable ... three months after they debut. Make SM appearance armor craftable in the same way. Use T8 rares for the primary ingredient.</p><p>I think than most SM users likely to purchase SM appearance/fluff items will probably do so in the first few months after debut; by then adding it to the general crafting pool, other people get to have it too. SOE doesn't discourage too many of its RMT customers, and placates its crafters a bit.  =)</p>

[Captain Apple Darkberry]

<p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Every time another one of these threads pops up, it's the saaaame old thing.</p><p>The saaaame old people who just don't like station cash finding another reason to jump up and down flailing their arms wildly in dispute.</p></blockquote><p>...and the saaaame old people who just don't like others opinions finding another reason to jump up and down flailing their mouths wildly in dispute.</p><p>Seriously...two certain people always pop up like gophers...discounting the <strong>valid</strong> points by smoke and mirrors misdirection or lateral subject shifts.</p><p>Oh...did I miss the links being provided to the RMT sections/references of AoC and WoW?  I mean...this has been your job for 2 years right?  So it shouldn't be too hard to show the references you spoke of...right?</p><p>To bring this back in line...</p><p>Valid Point:  Selling stuff via Station Cash = OK.  Selling stuff that directly competes with (and is many times better than) what a certain crafter class makes in game = Not nice.</p>

[Kordran]

<p><cite>Elvanshalee@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Problem is, they weren't selling the adventure packs for very much.  Here, they can sell A LOT less for the same amount, or more.  Why spend the all the extra time creating content when you can just create 1 item, and sell it for the same?</blockquote><p>What I envision is going to happen, eventually, is that they'll release one of their typical free content updates (ala RE2, WoE, etc.) and in the marketplace will add a key that you can buy which will unlock an "extra" part of the new zone with additional content, mobs, loot, etc. I doubt that they'll ever directly add loot to the marketplace, but selling zone access -- think of them like mini adventure packs -- is something that I do think they'll start doing at some point.</p><p>Player 1: Hey man, that's a sweet charm! Where did you get that?</p><p>Player 2: It dropped off the Undead Jester in Kurn's Tower.</p><p>Player 1: What mob is that? I've never seen him, and we've cleared all four levels.</p><p>Player 2: It's in the basement, but each group member has to purchase a key to the basement and tunnels on the Marketplace for 1000 SC.</p>

[Batez]

<p><blockquote>I doubt that they'll ever directly add loot to the marketplace, but selling zone access -- think of them like mini adventure packs -- is something that I do think they'll start doing at some point.</blockquote></p><p>So you mean like Splitpaw and Dmorte?  Paying for new content, paying for new novelty items, doesn't seem that unheard of to me.  When you buy a ticket to a movie in some multiplex cinema, do you complain to management because you have to buy popcorn or a drink if / when you are hungry / thirsty and desire having it?  It is the same principal.  The game that is EQ2 and all of the systems/ concepts are inside of it (adventure path  Tradeskill path  PVP path   Raid path) all are paid for by you and accessable via your subscripion, if however, you want that "popcorn"  that cool armor, that cool house item, maybe some novelty title or aura that makes you look unique, you need to pay extra for it just like popcorn in a movie theater.</p>

[Seolta]

<p>How about some decent armor sets/pieces???</p><p>Decent = not clownishly oversized head pieces, grossly assymetrical shoulders and rehashed armor models p </p>

[Spyderbite]

<p><cite>Cauldron@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Valid Point:  Selling stuff via Station Cash = OK.  Selling stuff that directly competes with (and is many times better than) what a certain crafter class makes in game = Not <strong>nice</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Its not about <strong>nice</strong>. You go to Disney Land for <strong>nice</strong>. And, you pay alot more to do so than the average person spends on Station Cash.</p><p>Everybody who avoids SC is still getting the same content that they got before Station Cash was introduced. Its not like SOE is taking content away and then making your pay for it if you want it back. They didn't remove Recipes from the carpenters or outfitters and put them on Station Cash after all.</p><p>You are simply paying for optional items which is in addition to the content you pay for. I like the Movie Theater analogy above. I pre-purchased tickets to Star Trek. Spent $24. But, I'm not expecting to walk out of there for less than $50 including the tickets after buying popcorn, soda and candy. And, if I did.. I still got what I paid for. The movie. The rest was just indegestion and heartburn. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Hirofortis]

<p><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cauldron@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Valid Point:  Selling stuff via Station Cash = OK.  Selling stuff that directly competes with (and is many times better than) what a certain crafter class makes in game = Not <strong>nice</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Its not about <strong>nice</strong>. You go to Disney Land for <strong>nice</strong>. And, you pay alot more to do so than the average person spends on Station Cash.</p><p>Everybody who avoids SC is still getting the same content that they got before Station Cash was introduced. Its not like SOE is taking content away and then making your pay for it if you want it back. They didn't remove Recipes from the carpenters or outfitters and put them on Station Cash after all.</p><p>You are simply paying for optional items which is in addition to the content you pay for. I like the Movie Theater analogy above. I pre-purchased tickets to Star Trek. Spent $24. But, I'm not expecting to walk out of there for less than $50 including the tickets after buying popcorn, soda and candy. And, if I did.. I still got what I paid for. The movie. The rest was just indegestion and heartburn. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Carpenters are paying a monthly fee to be able to craft carpenter items.  Giving carpenter items via some other mechanic is the SAME as an adventurer buying gear.  Your buying for money what has been gotten by doing what your class does.  Carpenters are a class.  All tradeskillers are a class.  This game came out with adventure classes and tradeskill classes.  When SC starts infringing on a classes job it is NO longer fluff.  I happily support items that cannot be done by a class.  Heck, give them pets that can follow them around.  Let them buy loot cards from LON.  Let them buy illusion forms to look like whaterver you want.  Let them put up fancy appearance things that DO NOT take away from a classes job.  Give them plushies.  Give them special residences.  All of those are not jobs of the classes people play.  THERE are TONS of ways you can use SC WITHOUT infringing upon the jobs that classes do.  Business is about making money.  Smart business is about making your customer happy. Stupid business is looking at your customer as a way to make a quick buck even if you loose business because of it. </p><p>SOE, don't screw with loyal customers just for a quick buck.  Look at all the ways you can enhance the game without hurting the loyal. Please pay attention to what is going on.  You will find a ton more support if you enhance the game though means that do not attack the classes people play.</p>

[Na]

<p>I don't recall but was there this much outrage from Tailor's when they put appearance armor on SC? Isn't that the same thing as the furniture?</p>

[Spyderbite]

<p><cite>Krunck@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>SOE, don't screw with loyal customers just for a quick buck.</p></blockquote><p>Speaking as somebody who is no more happy about it than anyone else. But, also from an economical standpoint. 100's of people buy the furniture or appearance armor every day. That's seems more long term to me than just a quick buck.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Sleeth@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't recall but was there this much outrage from Tailor's when they put appearance armor on SC? Isn't that the same thing as the furniture?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Not really... tailors sell items for stats mostly.</span></p>

[Brook]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sleeth@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't recall but was there this much outrage from Tailor's when they put appearance armor on SC? Isn't that the same thing as the furniture?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Not really... tailors sell items for stats mostly.</span></p></blockquote><p>It also looked like a group of 1st graders designed it, not much for tailors to be upset about tbh.</p><p>Any word on when the automated transfer service will be available through SC? Your well over a half a year of it being down. Pretty much just before Station store was put in it has been unavailable due to technical difficulties.</p><p>I like the guys in tech support but I wont give them my cc info through an unsecured email and your company is very unprofessional for asking people to do so.</p><p>I swear if one more item gets added to the SC crap without fixing things like that I will /ragequit. I am sick and tired of hearing we are working on the problem when we know your not.</p><p>Get off your lazy butts and fix it!</p>

[GrunEQ]

<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I am so tired of Spyderbite defending SC....at first he said the money was to help pay for more content for the game that would not be kept up except for SC...well he was <strong>wrong</strong>...now he's saying it's like food/drink at the movies.  Well when I and most other people paid our ticket to this game it was all included.  Now, it's bait and switch.  My scription was suppose to be full access to all content if I did the quests and content...now it is not.</span></p>

[Brook]

<p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Every time another one of these threads pops up, it's the saaaame old thing.</p><p>The saaaame old people who just don't like station cash finding another reason to jump up and down flailing their arms wildly in dispute.</p><p>... What to do, what to do.</p><p>I KNOW!  *Pops popcorn*</p><p>((Oh, and this is so going to be my character's new bedroom set.  Least until Domino releases something better in the next few GU's/Expansion))</p></blockquote><p>I was one of the saaaame old people that jumped up and down flailing my arms wildly in dispute knowing the whole time where it was heading.</p><p>If they are going to do RMT on live servers then they should go full bore and get it done and over with. This whole station cash thing was (as far as I can tell) supposed to help funding for THIS game. Where is the better game?</p><p>I think my biggest gripe about the whole thing is seeing other things neglected that really should be fixed, yet they have time to bring out new garbage and expect us to be in awe of their awesome abilities.</p><p>If they want ME to stand behind supporting Station cash then they need to start showing ME that if I spend Extra money in the game I will get a better gaming experience for it.</p><p> So far they have been epic fail in that department.</p><p>I even suggested having an auction type thing set up so those who cant buy from SC could still have access by spending plat with other players to have access to that stuff yet that post seemed to have gone the way of the dodo. Its a cycle they go through at SOE I think where one day its ok to make suggestions, the next its taboo.</p><p>Or maybe they didnt like the way it was worded /shrug</p>

[GrunEQ]

<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">It has already been stated in another forum that Station Cash pays for Station Cash artist and the money only goes into more Station Cash, not any other improvements to the game.</span></p>