Vista 64 and EQ2

[Ama]

<p>I'm still away from EQ2 having left to recoup myself, but when I come back i'll be sporting a new rig. </p><p>Right now this is what i'm looking at</p><ul><li>Intel Core i7 920 possibly OCed to 3.2gig</li><li><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133021" target="_blank">ATX/BTX Thermaltake Armor Case</a></li><li>EVGA motherboard Intel X58 1366</li><li><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127427" target="_blank">MSI OC HD Radeon 4890 1gig</a></li><li>G.Skill 6gig (3x2gig) Ram (Says it'll go at 1600, but i'm hearing it'll be more like 1333 or 1033)</li><li>Western Digital 1TB drive (Tempted to go with 10k, but the 1TB should suit me just fine)</li><li>Asus Black 22" 2ms Widescreen LCD</li><li>Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi card</li><li>Vista Ultimate-64bit</li><li>Creative Inspire 2.1 speakers</li></ul><p>What problems are there associated with EQ2 and Vista 64bit? My concern is i'll come back and be getting non-stop errors.  Already know i'll have to disable the User Account Control system or whatever it is called. </p><p>Also are there problems with EQ2 and the 4890 Radeon cards? </p><p>This setup isn't too expensive and I may splurge on another bit of ram to max myself out at 12gigs or possibly buy another Radeon Card.  I'll take both cards and crossfire em together for some added powa. </p>

[M0rticia]

<p>I'm running Vista 64 bit on my machine (i7 940 processor, 12 gigs of RAM, dual Nvidia GTX 280 video cards) and I haven't seen a single problem. I'm running the game with all settings maxed as well. I built my current machine about 3 months ago and haven't had a crash in any game I play.</p>

[Ama]

<p>Thanks mort the answer is appreciated.  Right now it will come down to my patience and seeing if I can wait until the last part of 09 to build my computer.  I'm vasilating back and forth between getting Vista 64bit running with that or waiting and getting Windows 7 64bit. </p><p>Heard nothing good about vista, but have heard alot of great things about windows 7.  One promising thing i've heard is that windows 7 provides a great performance boost going from vist and a small to moderate one going from Windows XP.  Almost tempted to get XP64bit, but I haven't heard it getting great support like Vista 64bit. :/</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks mort the answer is appreciated.  Right now it will come down to my patience and seeing if I can wait until the last part of 09 to build my computer.  I'm vasilating back and forth between getting Vista 64bit running with that or waiting and getting Windows 7 64bit. </p><p>Heard nothing good about vista, but have heard alot of great things about windows 7.  One promising thing i've heard is that windows 7 provides a great performance boost going from vist and a small to moderate one going from Windows XP.  Almost tempted to get XP64bit, but I haven't heard it getting great support like Vista 64bit. :/</p></blockquote><p>Been running Vista since closed beta,, having little or no issues, normally 3 box on it. Although you need to understand the OS and security model more then you did with XP.</p><p> XP64 has very little support in the way of drivers, it never did gain wide acceptance from the driver world, never did gain popularity</p><p>Couple of things to remember about Windows 7 </p><p>1. built off the code base of Vista, so it still has some of the quirks that are in Vista, they are better but they are still there.</p><p>2. there is no upgrade path published from XP to Windows 7, a clean install of the OS will be required, the upgrade paths have already been announced by MS and are available, supposedly there will be upgrade pricing but no upgrade path. Check out Paul Thurrott's windows supersite for some good information</p><p>3. RC1 is due to drop sometime early may, but if I recall correctly it is to MS partners and technet first - then to the general public</p><p>4. still think the actual gold release is going to be in 2010 first quarter, although there are rumors of sept/oct 2009 timeframe - denied by MS though</p>

[Ama]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks mort the answer is appreciated.  Right now it will come down to my patience and seeing if I can wait until the last part of 09 to build my computer.  I'm vasilating back and forth between getting Vista 64bit running with that or waiting and getting Windows 7 64bit. </p><p>Heard nothing good about vista, but have heard alot of great things about windows 7.  One promising thing i've heard is that windows 7 provides a great performance boost going from vist and a small to moderate one going from Windows XP.  Almost tempted to get XP64bit, but I haven't heard it getting great support like Vista 64bit. :/</p></blockquote><p>Been running Vista since closed beta,, having little or no issues, normally 3 box on it. Although you need to understand the OS and security model more then you did with XP.</p><p> XP64 has very little support in the way of drivers, it never did gain wide acceptance from the driver world, never did gain popularity</p><p>Couple of things to remember about Windows 7 </p><p>1. built off the code base of Vista, so it still has some of the quirks that are in Vista, they are better but they are still there.</p><p>2. there is no upgrade path published from XP to Windows 7, a clean install of the OS will be required, the upgrade paths have already been announced by MS and are available, supposedly there will be upgrade pricing but no upgrade path. Check out Paul Thurrott's windows supersite for some good information</p><p>3. RC1 is due to drop sometime early may, but if I recall correctly it is to MS partners and technet first - then to the general public</p><p>4.<strong> still think the actual gold release is going to be in 2010 first quarter, although there are rumors of sept/oct 2009 timeframe - denied by MS though</strong></p></blockquote><p>That right there may cinch it for me and from what your saying on #2 I might as well go ahead with the rig build on vista 64bit. </p><p>I prefer software to hardware anyday and right now my dell XPS is so finicky i'm really affraid to even upgrade my graphics card drivers. </p><p>Luckily i've put the finishing touches on my rig and with tax+shipping i'm probably looking at $2200 ($2096 for the rig itself)</p><p>Was hesitant about the Radeon 4890 card, but from what i've seen it comes with the investment will be well worth it.  Then a couple of months down the road or even a year or two I can buy another one to crossfire it with. </p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The only problem is sound quality in vista is absolutly disgusting.</span></p>

[MadDog64]

<p>I just built an i7 rig.  It's awesome!!!!</p><p>Mine is a 920 overclocked to 3.66 with a GTX285 graphics card.  I can run at extreme quality and my fps rarely drops below 20 (goes down to 15 in GH).  Haven't done any raids yet but I'm looking forward to it.</p><p>Best rig I've ever had.  The i7 chip is soooooo fast!</p><p>Oh...and haven't had any problem with vista 64 home premium.  So nice to have an OS without any vendor bloatware.</p><p>Have fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The only problem is sound quality in vista is absolutly disgusting.</span></p></blockquote><p>depends on the sound board, haver a realtek 7.1 chipset in the systems matched with a 7.1 speaker set, have 0 issues with the quality. If you are using a creative labs product - there is your quality problem, CL has one of  the worst reputation for drivers. Took them 8 months to get a halfway stable driver out for XP. Thier current run of drivers define the term junk</p>

[M0rticia]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The only problem is sound quality in vista is absolutly disgusting.</span></p></blockquote><p>depends on the sound board, haver a realtek 7.1 chipset in the systems matched with a 7.1 speaker set, have 0 issues with the quality. If you are using a creative labs product - there is your quality problem, CL has one of  the worst reputation for drivers. Took them 8 months to get a halfway stable driver out for XP. Thier current run of drivers define the term junk</p></blockquote><p>I'm using this exact setup (Realtek 7.1) and my sound quality is awesome. I'm a music freak as well as a gamer addict and I use a Logitech surround speaker system (with subwoofer) on my machine and it sounds amazing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm sure I've annoyed my neighbors a few times with the sound system on this rig. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As far as running EQ2, like I said before I'm running it with all settings maxed and my FPS is 25-45. Even on raids, I don't need to turn any settings down. This machine just keeps plowing forward at an amazing rate. I play A LOT of games and nothing slows this machine down. It takes everything I toss at it and asks for more.</p><p>Still having ZERO issues with Vista 64 home premium edition. I haven't had any crashed at all in the three months I have had this machine. I'm really happy with what I built this time around. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ama]

<p>Right now <a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10439792" target="_blank">this is the rig </a>i've put together and it looks like it'll last me for atleast 4-5 years like my Dell XPS I currently have.  Only downside is it's a tad on the expensive side and i'm betting with shipping + handling it'll cost me around $2200 to $2300.  Going to go with Vista Ultimate 64bit with SP1.  Decided to go with a single 4890 card instead of 2 4870 cards since its suggested it'll be more bang for the buck. </p><p>The main reason i'm going for a Core i7 build is my Single P4 with HT technology has served me well.  Almost every single game i've played I swear played better thinking I had a dual core processor.  Ontop of that i'll need all the horsepower I can get since i'm starting to do UV texture mapping in Maya PLE. </p><p>Not too long ago I crashed Maya because my computer couldn't handle the model I was dealing with.  Another thing is I recently did a 1200 dpi scan as a test in Adobe Photoshop CS2.  In 10 minutes of that being done and exiting out of photoshop my explorer crashed, but luckily rebooted itself. </p><p>Right now my question is finding a way to get the money to pay for this sucker.  Course waiting may not be a bad thing since i'm hearing about intel's 32nm design and its heat dissipation abilities.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Right now <a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10439792" target="_blank">this is the rig </a>i've put together and it looks like it'll last me for atleast 4-5 years like my Dell XPS I currently have.  Only downside is it's a tad on the expensive side and i'm betting with shipping + handling it'll cost me around $2200 to $2300.  Going to go with Vista Ultimate 64bit with SP1.  Decided to go with a single 4890 card instead of 2 4870 cards since its suggested it'll be more bang for the buck. </p><p>The main reason i'm going for a Core i7 build is my Single P4 with HT technology has served me well.  Almost every single game i've played I swear played better thinking I had a dual core processor.  Ontop of that i'll need all the horsepower I can get since i'm starting to do UV texture mapping in Maya PLE. </p><p>Not too long ago I crashed Maya because my computer couldn't handle the model I was dealing with.  Another thing is I recently did a 1200 dpi scan as a test in Adobe Photoshop CS2.  In 10 minutes of that being done and exiting out of photoshop my explorer crashed, but luckily rebooted itself. </p><p>Right now my question is finding a way to get the money to pay for this sucker.  Course waiting may not be a bad thing since i'm hearing about intel's 32nm design and its heat dissipation abilities.</p></blockquote><p>Personally would dump the creative labs card to start with, especially if the ASUS board has a Realtek 7.1 sound interface. If you want to down the line add the CL card.</p><p>Look at the EVGA X58 board, just did a vertical market certification on a system that was built off of that board and it is impressive and stable. Think it is more expensive though for normal retail</p>

[TSR-DanielH]

<p>Vista itself shouldn't cause any problems outside of the download process.  If you're having any issues then make sure to follow these steps:</p><p>1. Right click on the program launch icon2. Left click on "Properties".3. In the new window that pops up click on the "Compatibility" tab.4. In the "Compatibility Mode" area check the box next to "Run this program in compatibility mode for:"5. In the drop down list make certain that "Windows XP (Service Pack 2)" is selected.6. Under "Privilege Level" make certain that the box next to "Run this program as administrator" is checked.7. Click on "Apply" then click on "Ok".8. Right click on the icon and select "Run as Administrator"Finaly, you might want to install the game somewhere outside of the Program Files directory.  Anything inside the program files directory has extra protection placed on it by Vista, and that protection can cause problems at times.  Simply install it somewhere like C:Games and that should avoid any issues.</p>

[Ama]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Right now <a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10439792" target="_blank">this is the rig </a>i've put together and it looks like it'll last me for atleast 4-5 years like my Dell XPS I currently have.  Only downside is it's a tad on the expensive side and i'm betting with shipping + handling it'll cost me around $2200 to $2300.  Going to go with Vista Ultimate 64bit with SP1.  Decided to go with a single 4890 card instead of 2 4870 cards since its suggested it'll be more bang for the buck. </p><p>The main reason i'm going for a Core i7 build is my Single P4 with HT technology has served me well.  Almost every single game i've played I swear played better thinking I had a dual core processor.  Ontop of that i'll need all the horsepower I can get since i'm starting to do UV texture mapping in Maya PLE. </p><p>Not too long ago I crashed Maya because my computer couldn't handle the model I was dealing with.  Another thing is I recently did a 1200 dpi scan as a test in Adobe Photoshop CS2.  In 10 minutes of that being done and exiting out of photoshop my explorer crashed, but luckily rebooted itself. </p><p>Right now my question is finding a way to get the money to pay for this sucker.  Course waiting may not be a bad thing since i'm hearing about intel's 32nm design and its heat dissipation abilities.</p></blockquote><p>Personally would dump the creative labs card to start with, especially if the ASUS board has a Realtek 7.1 sound interface. If you want to down the line add the CL card.</p><p>Look at the EVGA X58 board, just did a vertical market certification on a system that was built off of that board and it is impressive and stable. Think it is more expensive though for normal retail</p></blockquote><p>Actually I had an EVGA X58 board picked and from what a friend told me + some other FPS user there was stuff on the board I wouldn't even us (Dual lan ports being 1).  Chose the Asus cause of the price compared to the $300 EVGA board and it seemed like a reasonable choice. </p><p>As for the CL card I prefer it to an onboard sound system.  Don't have anything against onboard sound systems, but just prefer a good sound card.  Going from the onboard setup from my old 800mhz-900mhz HP to the Audigy Blaster Card on my Dell XPS I really noticed a difference.  However I will say i'm tempted to drop the $94 one and go for the $49 one. </p><p>Thanks for the tips about Vista DanielH i'll deffinately keep them in mind.  Already looking up tips and video tutorials about customizing vista.  I swear right now I absolutely want to yank the load up music/sound file and input the speech from Liberty Prime from Fallout 3. </p><p>"Liberty Prime Is Online!"  I will freakin love that if I can get it on my computer.</p>

[M0rticia]

<p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Right now <a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10439792" target="_blank">this is the rig </a>i've put together and it looks like it'll last me for atleast 4-5 years like my Dell XPS I currently have.  Only downside is it's a tad on the expensive side and i'm betting with shipping + handling it'll cost me around $2200 to $2300.  Going to go with Vista Ultimate 64bit with SP1.  Decided to go with a single 4890 card instead of 2 4870 cards since its suggested it'll be more bang for the buck. </p><p>The main reason i'm going for a Core i7 build is my Single P4 with HT technology has served me well.  Almost every single game i've played I swear played better thinking I had a dual core processor.  Ontop of that i'll need all the horsepower I can get since i'm starting to do UV texture mapping in Maya PLE. </p><p>Not too long ago I crashed Maya because my computer couldn't handle the model I was dealing with.  Another thing is I recently did a 1200 dpi scan as a test in Adobe Photoshop CS2.  In 10 minutes of that being done and exiting out of photoshop my explorer crashed, but luckily rebooted itself. </p><p>Right now my question is finding a way to get the money to pay for this sucker.  Course waiting may not be a bad thing since i'm hearing about intel's 32nm design and its heat dissipation abilities.</p></blockquote><p>Personally would dump the creative labs card to start with, especially if the ASUS board has a Realtek 7.1 sound interface. If you want to down the line add the CL card.</p><p>Look at the EVGA X58 board, just did a vertical market certification on a system that was built off of that board and it is impressive and stable. Think it is more expensive though for normal retail</p></blockquote><p>Actually I had an EVGA X58 board picked and from what a friend told me + some other FPS user there was stuff on the board I wouldn't even us (Dual lan ports being 1).  Chose the Asus cause of the price compared to the $300 EVGA board and it seemed like a reasonable choice. </p><p>As for the CL card I prefer it to an onboard sound system.  Don't have anything against onboard sound systems, but just prefer a good sound card.  Going from the onboard setup from my old 800mhz-900mhz HP to the Audigy Blaster Card on my Dell XPS I really noticed a difference.  However I will say i'm tempted to drop the $94 one and go for the $49 one. </p><p>Thanks for the tips about Vista DanielH i'll deffinately keep them in mind.  Already looking up tips and video tutorials about customizing vista.  I swear right now I absolutely want to yank the load up music/sound file and input the speech from Liberty Prime from Fallout 3. </p><p>"Liberty Prime Is Online!"  I will freakin love that if I can get it on my computer.</p></blockquote><p>I'm using an EVGA board and HIGHLY recommend it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Amana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Right now <a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10439792" target="_blank">this is the rig </a>i've put together and it looks like it'll last me for atleast 4-5 years like my Dell XPS I currently have.  Only downside is it's a tad on the expensive side and i'm betting with shipping + handling it'll cost me around $2200 to $2300.  Going to go with Vista Ultimate 64bit with SP1.  Decided to go with a single 4890 card instead of 2 4870 cards since its suggested it'll be more bang for the buck. </p><p>The main reason i'm going for a Core i7 build is my Single P4 with HT technology has served me well.  Almost every single game i've played I swear played better thinking I had a dual core processor.  Ontop of that i'll need all the horsepower I can get since i'm starting to do UV texture mapping in Maya PLE. </p><p>Not too long ago I crashed Maya because my computer couldn't handle the model I was dealing with.  Another thing is I recently did a 1200 dpi scan as a test in Adobe Photoshop CS2.  In 10 minutes of that being done and exiting out of photoshop my explorer crashed, but luckily rebooted itself. </p><p>Right now my question is finding a way to get the money to pay for this sucker.  Course waiting may not be a bad thing since i'm hearing about intel's 32nm design and its heat dissipation abilities.</p></blockquote><p>Personally would dump the creative labs card to start with, especially if the ASUS board has a Realtek 7.1 sound interface. If you want to down the line add the CL card.</p><p>Look at the EVGA X58 board, just did a vertical market certification on a system that was built off of that board and it is impressive and stable. Think it is more expensive though for normal retail</p></blockquote><p>Actually I had an EVGA X58 board picked and from what a friend told me + some other FPS user there was stuff on the board I wouldn't even us (Dual lan ports being 1).  Chose the Asus cause of the price compared to the $300 EVGA board and it seemed like a reasonable choice. </p><p>As for the CL card I prefer it to an onboard sound system.  Don't have anything against onboard sound systems, but just prefer a good sound card.  Going from the onboard setup from my old 800mhz-900mhz HP to the Audigy Blaster Card on my Dell XPS I really noticed a difference.  However I will say i'm tempted to drop the $94 one and go for the $49 one. </p><p>Thanks for the tips about Vista DanielH i'll deffinately keep them in mind.  Already looking up tips and video tutorials about customizing vista.  I swear right now I absolutely want to yank the load up music/sound file and input the speech from Liberty Prime from Fallout 3. </p><p>"Liberty Prime Is Online!"  I will freakin love that if I can get it on my computer.</p></blockquote><p>Have a dual port lan motherboard and I added a dual port PCI-Express 1 gb nic on my system. Have two 1 gb switches that support NIC bonding, bonded all 4 nics together in a 4gb pipe to the machine eith 2gb failover, even if I lose one switch the smallest pipe the machine will have is 2GB from switch to machine.</p><p>Try the onboard card, they have made light year improvements in them, if you don;t like it you can always add it later</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The only problem is sound quality in vista is absolutly disgusting.</span></p></blockquote><p>depends on the sound board, haver a realtek 7.1 chipset in the systems matched with a 7.1 speaker set, have 0 issues with the quality. If you are using a creative labs product - there is your quality problem, CL has one of  the worst reputation for drivers. Took them 8 months to get a halfway stable driver out for XP. Thier current run of drivers define the term junk</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have never had a problem with their drivers before.  My motherboard has a Realtek ALC889A 8 channel.  I doubt that could be any better but it's worth a try I suppose.</span></p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The only problem is sound quality in vista is absolutly disgusting.</span></p></blockquote><p>depends on the sound board, haver a realtek 7.1 chipset in the systems matched with a 7.1 speaker set, have 0 issues with the quality. If you are using a creative labs product - there is your quality problem, CL has one of  the worst reputation for drivers. Took them 8 months to get a halfway stable driver out for XP. Thier current run of drivers define the term junk</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have never had a problem with their drivers before.  My motherboard has a Realtek ALC889A 8 channel.  I doubt that could be any better but it's worth a try I suppose.</span></p></blockquote><p>had the exact opposite in all the validation builds I have done - the section of validation that failed most often causing crashes was the CL sound system</p>