Elven lycanthropes?

[KERSTYNN]

<p>I know alot of folks get upset when any references are made to creatures and mythology from outside sources such as D&D and other fantasy games. But I'm curious if there are any Norrathian equivalents via lore or in-game to a creature that has appeared in various games and mythologies: the elven lycanthropes known as the Lythari( in one particular fantasy game) and by various other names? These are the ones that change between elven and wolf from at will, but do not have a hybrid werewolven forms. These creatures have always held a bit of fascination for me and as stated I am curious if they have appeared anywhere in Everquests rich lore. Thanks!</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>well, there is a buff form that Furies I beleive get that turns them into a wolf...so theoretically, I suppose they exist. as for any offical lore of it? no. so far the only form of lycanthropy in Everquest is from race to the hybrid monster form, that is supposedly the development of Mayong. (one of his titles is the father of lycanthropy)</p>

[Meirril]

<p>Wardens do wolf-form. Furies do Lion form. Oh, and one of the brawler classes get Tiger illusion as a fun spell.</p><p>It isn't an elf specific thing, though being a Tunare worshipping wood elf druid is an iconic kinda thing.</p><p>I don't think Mayong is responsable for the Kunark version of Lycanthropy, though that version also doesn't involve changing forms as far as I know. Right now the only creatures that as a "race" change from a primary form to an animal form are Vampires who can change to bats (or bat swarms?). This isn't well documented, but there is good evidence for this taken from Mayong's entrance as a bat to a few other named vampires both controlling bats, and escaping as a cloud of bats in various scripted events. Even the bat swarm mobs in Evernight Abby who count as Vampires.</p><p>If your looking for an elf/wolf, roll a warden and have fun. Most of the Lycanthrops in game are human/wolf and iksar/wolf. The really disturbing one to me is the elf/orc fusions being created in Mayong's basement... really what is that about?</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Try these links:</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=383061">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=383061</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=412346">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=412346</a></p><p><a href="http://everquestonlineadventures.station.sony.com/lore_4.vm">http://everquestonlineadventures.st...y.com/lore_4.vm</a></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Werewolves in this game are almost always human or natural. No Elves though.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Werewolves in this game are almost always human or natural. No Elves though.</p></blockquote><p>there are dark elf werewolves during the rain caller HQ.</p>

[Mirander_1]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Werewolves in this game are almost always human or natural. No Elves though.</p></blockquote><p>Aren't the werewolves in the Loping Plains elves?  I could of sworn they were supposed to have once been members of Kelethin's ranger guild, or something like that.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Werewolves in this game are almost always human or natural. No Elves though.</p></blockquote><p>there are dark elf werewolves during the rain caller HQ.</p></blockquote><p>Those arn't dark elvels. Those were wood elven rangers that were cursed by Mayong while retrieving the stolen Rain Caller that you get from the Huntmaster. Good catch! I totally forgot about them.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>They're an exception to the rule though.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Werewolves in this game are almost always human or natural. No Elves though.</p></blockquote><p>there are dark elf werewolves during the rain caller HQ.</p></blockquote><p>Those arn't dark elvels. Those were wood elven rangers that were cursed by Mayong while retrieving the stolen Rain Caller that you get from the Huntmaster. Good catch! I totally forgot about them.</p></blockquote><p>they were cursed by the huntmaster for sport, the wood elves were tunred to vampires, and the dark elfs into werewoves then made to fight eachtoher.</p>

[Troubor]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The really disturbing one to me is the elf/orc fusions being created in Mayong's basement... really what is that about?</p></blockquote><p>Do you mean the Myr'Dal?  I always got the impression that they were failed attempts by the Felwithe Koada'Dal to "evolve" (for lack of a better term) into the Renda'Dal.  That was mostly assumption on my part though.  I didn't even think they were orc/elf hybreds, but I suppose with both Renda'Dal and Orcs in the Mistmoore catacombs, and since he did also make Drachnids (Teir'Dal/spider hybreds), an orc/elf hybred is possible I suppose.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though. Just because there are orcs and elves in the Mistmoore Catacombs doesn't mean they're a combo.</p>

[Aneova]

<p>Wardens turn into a normal wolf, Druids (Furies and Wardens) get the Winter wolf illusion. and there are a few other items in game that transform the wearer into a werewolf randomly. Lore wise, i've only seen Human werewolves and the few dark elf were wolves in-game via raincaller. Come to think of it even the warders of the forest in antonica are all human as well they become gnolls at sunset.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though.</p></blockquote><p>there is, one of the rooms in mistmore catacoms shows the entire thing, an elf guest and and orc guest are walked to a room nearby the guest quarters and broght up to  a platform, some spell is done and poof a myr'dal is whats left</p><p>sounds like the same soul fusion technique that made the sarnak really.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though.</p></blockquote><p>there is, one of the rooms in mistmore catacoms shows the entire thing, an elf guest and and orc guest are walked to a room nearby the guest quarters and broght up to  a platform, some spell is done and poof a myr'dal is whats left</p><p>sounds like the same soul fusion technique that made the sarnak really.</p></blockquote><p>I thought it was one, then the other, but not both.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though.</p></blockquote><p>there is, one of the rooms in mistmore catacoms shows the entire thing, an elf guest and and orc guest are walked to a room nearby the guest quarters and broght up to  a platform, some spell is done and poof a myr'dal is whats left</p><p>sounds like the same soul fusion technique that made the sarnak really.</p></blockquote><p>I thought it was one, then the other, but not both.</p></blockquote><p>well it is one then the other yes, but the two broght into the room are the ones fused. hmm i will have to go back in there and watch agen.</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though.</p></blockquote><p>there is, one of the rooms in mistmore catacoms shows the entire thing, an elf guest and and orc guest are walked to a room nearby the guest quarters and broght up to  a platform, some spell is done and poof a myr'dal is whats left</p><p><strong>sounds like the same soul fusion technique that made the sarnak really.</strong></p></blockquote><p>I thought it was one, then the other, but not both.</p></blockquote><p>well it is one then the other yes, but the two broght into the room are the ones fused. hmm i will have to go back in there and watch agen.</p></blockquote><p>It is entirely plausible that it IS indeed the same, or a very similar technique that is being used in Mistmoore's catacombs. After all, Mayong and Venril are chums, or were at some point, and I think that Mayong could have been given access to all of Atrebe's records and data, or.....it is also plausible that it was Mayong himself who schooled Atrebe in the techniques he used to create the Sarnak, Sokokar and others, and that at the root, it may have been Artrebe who physically created the Sarnak and Sokokar, but it was Mayong's teachings and research that enabled it. I know, that last bit is total conjecture, and there is no proof of it, but it is a possibility. Mayong is ancient by all reckonings, we know he was friends w/ Venril, had access to vast stores of knowledge and long lost secrets, he personally created the Drachnids, etc, etc</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is nothing actually proving or implying that they are Elf-Orc hybrids though.</p></blockquote><p>there is, one of the rooms in mistmore catacoms shows the entire thing, an elf guest and and orc guest are walked to a room nearby the guest quarters and broght up to  a platform, some spell is done and poof a myr'dal is whats left</p><p>sounds like the same soul fusion technique that made the sarnak really.</p></blockquote><p>I thought it was one, then the other, but not both.</p></blockquote><p>well it is one then the other yes, but the two broght into the room are the ones fused. hmm i will have to go back in there and watch agen.</p></blockquote><p>First an Elven Guest is escorted to the transformation room. A ritual is performed and the guest disappears. Then an Orc Guest is escorted to the transformation room. A ritual is performed and a Myr'dal appears, which can be either the failed experiment or the enraged. Clearly the two of them are being used to create another servant race. Though, I can't see any benifit to the new race. Your using 2 people to create 1 new one. Both of the old servants look to be as competant as the new one. The new one doesn't have any additional abilities. With Dracknid you have intelligent beings with spider powers (webbing, wall crawling, and very physically powerful). The Werewolves seem to be extremely fast and savegly strong. Vampires can be seen as one of his "creations" and have great benifits that seem to far exceed his other "creations". The Myr'dal? Rejects everywhere. Maybe they are just proof that Mayong occasionally makes mistakes?</p>

[KERSTYNN]

<p>Thank you all (and Mary in particular for the links) for your great responses on this. Was interesting watching the discussion evolve/devolve, all the while providing more Lore info and debate. That's why I love coming to this particular section on the forums. Again thanks for the info!</p>