New Items Coming to Station Marketplace on 4-21-09 [Archive]

Kiara

04-15-2009, 10:37 PM

Take a look at the newest items that will be available through the <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/en/stationcash/" target="_blank">Station Marketplace</a> on Tuesday, April 21, 2009! <table cellpadding="0" width="600" bgcolor="#663300"><tbody><tr><td><div><table cellpadding="0" width="595" bgcolor="#eddfc5" bordercolor="#000000"><tbody><tr><td><table cellpadding="0" width="595"><tbody><tr><td></td> <td></td></tr> <tr><td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Cash/4-15-09/bench_info.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench_info_th.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="175" /></a></div></td> <td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench_th.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="285" /></a></div></td></tr> <tr><td> </td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=3054&section=News&locale=en_US">Read more!</a>

Brook

04-15-2009, 11:05 PM

That is some really sweet looking furniture, the shade of the wood could be a tad darker but it looks very nice.Can our crafters make stuff that nice?

Lodrelhai

04-15-2009, 11:12 PM

More precisely, why CAN'T our crafters make stuff this nice?Complete match sets of furniture? Gorgeous ornate cabinet? Why wasn't this given to carpenters?

Isard

04-15-2009, 11:58 PM

Why give it to us for free or make it a quest reward when they can get us to buy it?I'm really saddened to see all of this effort going into making cool looking plushies, house pets, armor, potions and now furniture, all for us to buy.Time was when these would be quest rewards or something to get the playerbase excited about because it would be part of new content.I guess those days are over.

Spyderbite

04-16-2009, 12:05 AM

<cite>Malificant@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why give it to us for free or make it a quest reward when they can get us to buy it?</blockquote>And only a couple months ago it was "As long as its just fluff and doesn't break the game". Ahhh.. the good ole days.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Hikinami

04-16-2009, 12:21 AM

Only some people were saying that. Some people also said they wanted fluff in thier game without paying for it.

Spyderbite

04-16-2009, 12:33 AM

<cite>Peralin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Only some people were saying that. Some people also said they wanted fluff in thier game without paying for it.</blockquote>"Some" equating to the self-proclaimed "vocal majority".I too, would have loved to have seen those pieces available to carpenters. However.. the threads that were open for suggestions had plenty of furniture reccomendations in it. But, the feedback thread had nothing but "make SC go away" or "Just as long as it remains fluff'. With no conditions.Sort of like the ex-husband granted one wish by Genie. But, what ever he wished for his ex-wife would get too.. and he'd get 2 fold. So, he wished to be beaten half to death.My point is too many people worried about game mechanics being skewed.. that they lost forsight on other aspects of the game that matter to others. So during their emotional outbursts they didn't consider the tradeskillers. And, here you have it.. SOE kept their word.. yet people are upset.Get a grip.. get some perspective.. and think twice when asked what you want going forward.

Gaige

04-16-2009, 12:40 AM

Spyderbyte do you ever get tired of placing the blame of everything that happens in EQ2 squarely on the shoulder of the players? Its as if you feel the developers are incapable of doing things of their own accord.

Avanya

04-16-2009, 12:43 AM

The items look great of course. I wouldn't mind the SC and LoN items so much if they weren't so incredibly better than anything we can make or obtain in game. Obviously the items are "doable" so why not give us something of that quality to make? I'll probably buy it cause I'm a house addict and I do buy cards to try for paintings, but honestly, people who can't afford to do that should have comparable items that are made/obtained solely in game.

Hikinami

04-16-2009, 12:53 AM

Your story doesnt quite work since one person's wishes are not the same as a varied playbase.What do I want? I want to not see new furniture models on SC and hopefully there is enough feedback from tradeskillers that this can be the only set that shows up. Yes I know the SC feedback thread was flooded with make it go away posts, this is a new one specifically about this new thing and I want to feedback that I do not like it. My perspective is fine, I made a carpenter to make funiture and to decorate my in game houses. For FLUFF and seeing more of the things I enjoy costing extra is [Removed for Content] me off.No ragequiting, no threats of cancelation.Negative feedback in a thread for feedback is perfectly resonable.

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 01:15 AM

This is one set of furniture. Just because you see it hitting station cash does not mean that there isn't going to be no new furniture coming to EQ2 at all for Tradeskillers.No need for freak out mode. Domino has been really good at adding things in for carpenters and what not. I'm sure there is more coming, if not in LU's, then in expansions to come <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Luag

04-16-2009, 02:40 AM

you get spider bites if you try to blame the devs, and a certain someone is on the "get to know a player" front page lolthat's too obvious lolbut back to the topic we've given them and inch, so they will take a mile, expect to pay more and more for stuff, or you could take up running, the weathers getting nicer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

KerowynnKaotic

04-16-2009, 02:45 AM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malificant@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why give it to us for free or make it a quest reward when they can get us to buy it?</blockquote>And only a couple months ago it was "As long as its just fluff and doesn't break the game". Ahhh.. the good ole days.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Well .. in my case when I was asking for fluff I did say quite clearly .. "as Long as it is just fluff and doesn't trod on any Crafter or Adventurer Class's Toes. This new option is rubbing the "I don't want to see this type of thing in the Store" reaction for me. ..Plushies or even House pets never bothered me 'cause No class can make them. Those SoW potions bothered me 'cause they were far better than any WW'ker could make .. And, this stuff bothers me for the same reason.Carpenters make furniture and one of their biggest complaints is most of their furniture selection is boring or re-used or even duplicated by other tier furniture (domino missed a few) and/or by Quest rewards. If they want to add some speciality house items such as Balloons and Cakes for weddings, b-day parties or glasses with champange in them or the ability to add 'wall-paper' or color to house walls .. by all means but this kind of cool looking regular furniture should only be done as a Carpenter recipe or Reward.....That aside *hangs head dejectedly* .. how much is this set going to cost me? .. other than my Crafter's Soul .. that is ..

revren

04-16-2009, 04:40 AM

Hey HeyFor people that are dedicated crafters and decoraters, i am not sure if this is fluff. While most of my attention ingame is on combat, i have a lvl 80 Carpenter, and i am one of the people in charge with decorating my guilds hall. Just look at how much of EQ2 Player articles concern how we decorate.More General Rant:It seems to me that the majority of the Feedback is for a race change. While I am glad SoE has found a new stream of revenue beyond our monthe Sub, it would be nice to see some of it make it s way back into the game. How many items do we have to buy to get GU on time , and not completly borked content. Maybe we could have one of the giant graphs on the new welcome screen.Welcome HomeRev

Hirofortis

04-16-2009, 05:02 AM

I really like some of the stuff coming in from the station store, but I have to echo the concern, why can't our crafters get new recipes. It seems to me that carpentars are being replaced by the station store.

Katrinnka

04-16-2009, 07:21 AM

I've always felt that with a game you either pay a sub or have a shop, not both. I personally prefer being able to have access to all the games content without paying extra, where atleast I can work towards things I love instead of it being reliant on my pocket. My house is one of my favourite aspects in the game and all my house items I have worked to get (being an 80 carpenter and a busy quester). Most of the items in the station cash shop do look nice and are appropriete fluff that is nice to have as a treat but the furniture should remain the carpenters domain in my opinion.The shop should sell items that inhance the gaming experience yet without removing or devalueing anything from the game experience if you do not have the item/s.My two cents <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

kiyokobabygirl

04-16-2009, 10:25 AM

"I've always felt that with a game you either pay a sub or have a shop, not both"My thoughts exactly. Though with VG turning all of their servers to RMT and the new line of items that are released every week or every other week in the Station Marketplace, it's not hard to see where things are going.

Chookadook

04-16-2009, 10:55 AM

Could we get a worthwile SC item on there, like say a Recalc for AA?That way some of us with 2000 quests that did 1200 of them before AA existed could get it our proper amount of AA? I can write the algorithm for you if you don't think it can be done easily.

Elorah

04-16-2009, 11:00 AM

This saddens me.... I was one of the posters in the beginning that stated that as long as it stayed fluff items, I wouldn't mind. Being a crafter with all crafts and more specifically a house lover.... I do not consider furniture like this fluff <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />You are treading on a fine line and take a risk of losing some of the more dedicated players that you have <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> Please reconsider selling furniture like this.... I would not mind if they sold the same styles that carpenters can make, but give a greater deduction.... or use as trophies for guild hall. But please do NOT place new graphics for furniture solely for sale in the station store....

Chaosfairie27

04-16-2009, 11:15 AM

Wow! Really SOE? I have a lvl 80 carpie and this just kinda hurts my feelings. Dark elves can be emotional too.

OldMan_JP

04-16-2009, 11:31 AM

I'm not saying the sky is falling, but my carp sure does feel like something hit him squarely on the head this morning.

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 11:48 AM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Spyderbyte do you ever get tired of placing the blame of everything that happens in EQ2 squarely on the shoulder of the players? Its as if you feel the developers are incapable of doing things of their own accord.</blockquote>It's plainly obvious he's fishing for a job at SOE. Reading the love posts are almost too much to take.

Isard

04-16-2009, 11:57 AM

I have an 80 Carpenter as well and I feel cheated. I also have a Tailor that would have liked to make some of those new outfits / appearance items.I'm sure you can all anticipate the response from Kiara (if there is one) "We understand your concerns but blah blah blah this is keeping within the spirit of fluff"Just like the Dev responses to the new welcome screen. Lots of comments about "Yes, we like that idea to add to it. Oh.. that's a cool idea!" Not one post addressing the ability to turn it off or make so that it's once per session.Why not just raise the subscription price $1 a month and quit making us pay for this stuff. Obviously you have the staff resources to create / make the items...

Jesdyr

04-16-2009, 11:58 AM

<cite>Lotusfairie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dark elves can be emotional too.</blockquote>Hate is a powerfull emotion it should be encouraged.I really hate (see what a good dark elf I am) many of the "fluff" SC house items/appearance items. They all look nice but I think they should have been added as craftable recipes.I have no problem with the "fluff" utility items like name/gender changing. I will even suggest that they make a "quick betray" item.

Llieam

04-16-2009, 12:12 PM

Not good for carpenters, pics in LON and plushies on the marketplace are one thing, but given the fact that here lately everyone can make furniture items as artisans (moors faction books, flame tapestry) As far as new furniture, outisde the Wanita collection and the new fountain, carpenters have not seen much love...

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 12:15 PM

I don't understand why the carpenters of Norrath are bent out of shape, that is some hideous furniture they are trying to sell through the marketplace. Why would anyone get that when you can get this little gem from your friendly neighborhood carpenters?<img src="http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm95/ohiostate_1/EQ2_000023.jpg?t=1239894840" /><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/m.williams/Desktop/EQ2_000023.jpg" />

Obadiah

04-16-2009, 12:40 PM

<cite>Malificant@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter as well and I feel cheated. I also have a Tailor that would have liked to make some of those new outfits / appearance items.I'm sure you can all anticipate the response from Kiara (if there is one) "We understand your concerns but blah blah blah this is keeping within the spirit of fluff"Just like the Dev responses to the new welcome screen. Lots of comments about "Yes, we like that idea to add to it. Oh.. that's a cool idea!" Not one post addressing the ability to turn it off or make so that it's once per session.Why not just raise the subscription price $1 a month and quit making us pay for this stuff. Obviously you have the staff resources to create / make the items...</blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter and I feel fine. Nor did my Tailor feel cheated at any of the clothing. It's fluff. Total fluff. The whole fluff and nothing but the fluff. Carpentry has long been a line of work subject to spikes in volume followed by long down periods regardless.Why would developers address turning off the welcome screen when it's already been addressed by players? I don't see it anymore. Took all of 10 seconds to fix.

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 12:49 PM

<cite>Llieam wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not good for carpenters, pics in LON and plushies on the marketplace are one thing, but given the fact that here lately everyone can make furniture items as artisans (moors faction books, flame tapestry) As far as new furniture, outisde the Wanita collection and the new fountain, carpenters have not seen much love...</blockquote>If they gave it all to carp's they wouldn't have anything to sell in SC

RoryBradwarden

04-16-2009, 01:01 PM

As long as people buy they will sell. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" />Though it amazes me ... I see people buying <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />

Aintdeadyet

04-16-2009, 01:07 PM

If you can offer it via the market place you should be just offering recipe books instead. Give the crafter's a shot at making stuff, don't take away their fun.

Kalliand

04-16-2009, 01:09 PM

I have bought station items but I think this is just wrong.At the -very- least, this should have been put on there as recipes. only an 80 carpenter should be able to bring stuff this good looking into your home.

Brook

04-16-2009, 01:27 PM

<cite>Kalliandra wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have bought station items but I think this is just wrong.At the -very- least, this should have been put on there as recipes. only an 80 carpenter should be able to bring stuff this good looking into your home.</blockquote>Recipes would not be a fluff item unless they are available to everyone by some means in game without requiring a credit card.

Rorasis

04-16-2009, 01:32 PM

This is a bunch of BS. This isn't fluff. This directly effects and undermines an entire crafting profession. Give these recipes to carpenters.

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 01:47 PM

<cite>Brook wrote:</cite><blockquote>Recipes would not be a fluff item unless they are available to everyone by some means in game without requiring a credit card.</blockquote>Exactly

Narino

04-16-2009, 02:01 PM

Well, I know they have the right to do as they want, its their game, their business blah blah blah, no one forces us to buy etc etc, BUT and its a big but, I do feel cheated also, I also did buy with sc at first, but I'll never use it again, this is to much and its starting to take away the pleasure I feel in game, replacing it for that "cheated" feel.I don't even think they are wrong in doing this and trying to earn more money....I just feel..cheated...don't know, maybe If I started seeing equaly good looking items that feeling would go away...maybe not.Oh and that "its just fluff" excuse is equaly lame to me, because for me, the most fun I get in the game comes from "fluff" things...

Hirofortis

04-16-2009, 02:05 PM

<cite>Narino wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh and that "its just fluff" excuse is equaly lame to me, because for me, the most fun I get in the game comes from "fluff" things...</blockquote>The problem is, that what SOE is defining as fluff and what the players are calling fluff are 2 differnet things. Fluff to me are items that do not effect any class in the game. Plushies are fluff. Furniture is not. Plushies have never been made by any class, furniture is what carpenters make.

Tekoppen

04-16-2009, 02:08 PM

Okay, I would have preferred this furniture being carpenter made, but as long as carpenters continue to get new recipes on a regular basis, I'm not complaining.And I'll probably buy a set of that SC furniture, too..... lol. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

magiusthewizard

04-16-2009, 02:10 PM

my girlfriend is a LVL 80 master carp as well as being one of 2 decorator's for our guild hall. when i showed her this stuff she nearly cried. her exact words were..." jesus, i already feel like my tradeskill is nearly useless" what hell hell SOE???

Foolsfolly

04-16-2009, 02:17 PM

It was one thing when you were just selling appearance armor and useless potions...but now you have infringed upon carpenter territory, and that is uncool.I am officially joining the "Station Marketplace Sucks" club.

Calthine

04-16-2009, 02:38 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was one thing when you were just selling appearance armor and useless potions...but now you have infringed upon carpenter territory, and that is uncool.I am officially joining the "Station Marketplace Sucks" club.</blockquote>But wasn't appearance armor infringing on tailors and armorers?

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 02:42 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was one thing when you were just selling appearance armor and useless potions...but now you have infringed upon carpenter territory, and that is uncool.I am officially joining the "Station Marketplace Sucks" club.</blockquote>But wasn't appearance armor infringing on tailors and armorers?</blockquote>Yes, and it still is.

EQTTEQ

04-16-2009, 02:49 PM

<cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't understand why the carpenters of Norrath are bent out of shape, that is some hideous furniture they are trying to sell through the marketplace. Why would anyone get that when you can get this little gem from your friendly neighborhood carpenters?<img src="http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm95/ohiostate_1/EQ2_000023.jpg?t=1239894840" /><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/m.williams/Desktop/EQ2_000023.jpg" /></blockquote>I have always been bothered that as a level 80 carpenter, I can't seem to put a decent finish on my wood furniture; even gilded furniture looks moldering and decrepit. I finally put the phenomenon down to a "post-shattering" thing (I mean, even my flooring has lost it's sheen)... but now I see that the busy folks at Station Cash have found a way to maintain a glossy finish... maybe it is truly a lack of skill on my part <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 02:54 PM

*Shakes his head*Domino adds in dozens of free furniture pieces to the live updates last year with better appearances found in dungeons.The expansion adds quite a few new peices that can even be found in dungeons themselves.They add one set to Station Cash and there is an outcry.Is this really a "This item in particular irritates us." Or a "We still hate station cash, and are looking for more reasons to speak up against it."

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 02:57 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is this really a "This item in particular irritates us." Or a "We still hate station cash, and are looking for more reasons to speak up against it."</blockquote>Both actuallysome just need to satisfy their ADHD though...

GrunEQ

04-16-2009, 02:58 PM

This is an outrage!! It starts a little at a time, with LoN having the best mounts, paintings, and in game items (and yet it's not part of the game {like anyone believes that}) Then it's SC only being 'fluff' items. Now it's taking over the game, where it's not going to be starting out with equal footing and everything can be earned or found in game, it is becoming a class system of who has the most money to spend gets the best toys. I am questioning staying with games that nickle and dime you to death. The joy is being slowly sucked out of this game as well as any others that adopt this system. I don't know how much longer I can compromise my beliefs against my pleasure of this game. I think I'll just have to cancel those hotel reservations in Las Vegas..I just can't support this.

Hirofortis

04-16-2009, 03:02 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>*Shakes his head*Domino adds in dozens of free furniture pieces to the live updates last year with better appearances found in dungeons.The expansion adds quite a few new peices that can even be found in dungeons themselves.They add one set to Station Cash and there is an outcry.Is this really a "This item in particular irritates us." Or a "We still hate station cash, and are looking for more reasons to speak up against it."</blockquote>I cannot speak for the others, but for me it is more the idea that is being pushed here. The issue at stake here is the idea that what was once put as only fluff items that would not effect in game play is moving inthe direction of now effecting game play. When items start appearing that take away from a class defining role, then we have an issue. And honestly, what else is a carpenter gonna do besides make furniture.

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 03:02 PM

Hirofortis

04-16-2009, 03:02 PM

removed for double post.

TwistedFaith

04-16-2009, 03:07 PM

This is what I refered to in my original post concerning station cash, I believe the phrase I used was 'SLIPPERY SLOPE'.Anyone who didnt see this coming must have been totally nieve, do you honestly believe SOE care what you think, its about the bottom line and lets be honest who can blame them. Why worry about a $15 subscription per month when you can convince Mrs Stay at Home Mom to spend $100 in one day on some fancy furniture for her house, or to buy a new dress for her toon.Its already too late to stop this, it started with LON and the loot cards and it has escalated into station cash, its only going to get worse from here on in. Your ability to play the game will count for less and less, risk vs reward will be replaced by how much you are willing to pay for something with real cash.'Gratz on dinging LVL 80 carpenter, tough luck you cant make any furniture anyone wants as thats reserved for station cash.'OMG where did you get that amazing looking item was it a quest? did you kill a epic dragon? ............ oh its station cash'I for one hate this whole station cash idea, always have, it stinks of greed and I hate the way SOE seem to have all the resources in the world to make new cool items to sell via station cash, but when it comes to the game, oh they are woefully undermanned.

todamgoood4U

04-16-2009, 03:08 PM

I love it, great looking stuff. So what if its through Marketplace. I have yet to buy anything but again I don't really care either way. If I did, I sure could boycott SOE, protesting in front of their offices with big signs detesting such actions. I guess I could also cancel my subscription and really show them how serious I am. Then I'll send out mass emails asking everyone to not buy gas for 1 day and really show them too! /rolls eyesI don't recall, but were tailors and armorsmiths upset about not getting the recipes to make the Marketplace clothing and helms? From what I read so far from some of you carpenters, it was ok when it was clothing, which you consider fluff, but now its not. How is it any different? Just curious, not stirring.Its simple supply and demand. If the demand for more wasn't so high, it wouldn't be profitable to continue. However, everywhere I turn now I see people in Marketplace accessories, so obviously there are enough people enjoying it to warrant adding more fluff rather than scraping the whole idea.How does the saying go...."you can't please all of the people all of the time..."Embrace it and <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=445022" target="_blank">go get your Gi already</a>. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

channel

04-16-2009, 03:14 PM

i never really thought twice about any of the SC stuff... until the name change potion, i didn't even look at the marketplace AT ALL, on any of the three accounts i maintain...but i have an 80 carpie, i LOVE to decorate, i LOVE to see what gamers do with their houses and guild halls, and it makes me actually a little sick to my stomach that SOE would stoop this low...yes - the item appearance stuff infringed on tailors and armorers, and that was a little disappointing... but i can't imagine that the sale of those items was so high ... and i believe those items might be heirloom? so one toon gets tired of the look, and can pass it on through shared bank to another character ... i dont know how many folks are going to buy each of their characters multiple copies of the same outfit from SC...HOWEVER - furniture????? SOE isn't stupid, they know that folks use MULTIPLE pieces of the same furniture style to create a new structure or a new look in a room, or turn something backwards to make walls.....Therefore - 1 individual might end up spending A LOT of money in the marketplace so that they can get multiples of these items to get very creative with...SOE complains about us exploiting their game mechanics to accomplish in game feats that weren't intended, but they are EXPLOITING their customer base to get more money. LoN didn't pan out, a hat or outfit didn't pan out, so now - they hit where they know they'll get repeat buyers on the same items... decorators who won't just settle at one piece...it's sickening...

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 03:15 PM

<cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>*Shakes his head*Domino adds in dozens of free furniture pieces to the live updates last year with better appearances found in dungeons.The expansion adds quite a few new peices that can even be found in dungeons themselves.They add one set to Station Cash and there is an outcry.Is this really a "This item in particular irritates us." Or a "We still hate station cash, and are looking for more reasons to speak up against it."</blockquote>Neither for me. You saw the sweeeeeeet looking bookshelf I can make right? That's straight out of '[Removed for Content] my Stronghold'!</blockquote>Oh for goodness sakes folks, that's one piece of furntiure. The other shelves that you can make are far nicer looking, and you know this. All the wonderful looking mohogany and oak pieces, maple sets, carpets and rugs offered from the differing quest lines. There are so many good looking pieces of carpenter made furniture that it's almost staggering.Not only that, but it generally costs a fortune to buy off the broker. A proverbial fortune.Domino has done a wonderful job of adding in new pieces for you folks to make. They retexture and redo a bench that's already in the game, and a chair that's already in the game, as well as a few other pieces that, i'm sure, are already in the game somewhere, and then add them in to the station marketplace to try to make an extra buck, and people flip their lids.The several dozen page thread in protest to station cash is gone. The horse has been beaten into oblivion. Leave it alone. Voice your disagreement by not purchasing anything with it.What's next: "I should, by all rights, be able to do a really elaborate quest to rename my character! Or get his gender changed! How dare they add this service in that we've only been waiting four years for into the game at a price!"Oh wait, that's already happened. "Don't implement this unless there's a global ignore list. Station cash sux."*Shakes his head yet again*

TwistedFaith

04-16-2009, 03:15 PM

<cite>todamgoood4U wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its simple supply and demand. If the demand for more wasn't so high, it wouldn't be profitable to continue. However, everywhere I turn now I see people in Marketplace accessories, so obviously there are enough people enjoying it to warrant adding more fluff rather than scraping the whole idea.</blockquote>I agree with what your saying about supply and demand, but what annoys me is I didnt subscribe to EQ2 to play a game of who can spend the most in station cash to get the best looking items in the game.I realise this is the way MMOs are going but I cant help but feel its not in the spirit of a game, whereby the more real life cash you are willing to spend the better your toon will look etc. In a itemcentric game like EQ2, how you look and what equipment you have means a lot, its how people judge other players.As far as i'm concerned the only place station cash should be avaiable on is on the bazaar server, it fits in well there.

channel

04-16-2009, 03:19 PM

<cite>todamgoood4U wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't recall, but were tailors and armorsmiths upset about not getting the recipes to make the Marketplace clothing and helms? From what I read so far from some of you carpenters, it was ok when it was clothing, which you consider fluff, but now its not. How is it any different? Just curious, not stirring.</blockquote>you want to know the difference? and i have all three crafters....a handful of individuals might want me to make them lvl 1 fluff clothing for appearance, it sells for piddly cp and sp on the broker, the bulk of my tailoring and armorsmithing is for MASTERCRAFTED armor for adventurers.my bread and butter so to speak as a tailor and armorer is NOT fluff items.HOWEVER - as a carpie - THE ONLY THING I MAKE is fluff. that's it - all i get to craft on my carpie is house items, some are nicer than others, some reduce personal housing status costs, but ALL OF IT is fluff, and it is the ONLY thing i offer as a carpie to the general game population is furniture and decorating ideas/tips/advice.by making FURNITURE available through SC, SOE is DIRECTLY and 100% infringing on a single crafter's bread and butter.

GrunEQ

04-16-2009, 03:20 PM

What makes you think tailors and armors were't upset? Some of us were upset from the introduction of LoN... as we could see the writing on the wall. Even with disclaimers from SOE, the predictions have come to fruition. Sad, very sad.

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 03:23 PM

Oh, and to add:While i'm probably not going to end up getting it, it's a nice addition to the marketplace <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />More funding for the game? More things like GPU Shadows! *Cheers*

KerowynnKaotic

04-16-2009, 03:29 PM

<cite>TwistedFaith wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is what I refered to in my original post concerning station cash, I believe the phrase I used was 'SLIPPERY SLOPE'.*snipped* </blockquote>*ponders* ya know if the SC devs want to add furniture .. they really need to add 'a Slippery Slope' [house item]. It could come in Rainbow, Snow, Grass & Lava Flow versions ... A huge MOFO of a thing that would be great fun in the T3 Guild Hall for getting down to the bottom from the very top ... (think of that rainbow in Frostfell that we slide down)Viola! A totally unique house item that doesn't tread on toes and humor all in one!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 03:30 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and to add:While i'm probably not going to end up getting it, it's a nice addition to the marketplace <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />More funding for the game? More things like GPU Shadows! *Cheers*</blockquote>Wait, you think the money from the marketplace goes to improving the part of they game you pay $15 a month for? Intitially it went to hire more people to make more stuff for the marketplace. Your naive to think it's going to go towards improving the part of the game your already paying for.

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 03:32 PM

<cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and to add:While i'm probably not going to end up getting it, it's a nice addition to the marketplace <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />More funding for the game? More things like GPU Shadows! *Cheers*</blockquote>Wait, you think the money from the marketplace goes to improving the part of they game you pay $15 a month for? Intitially it went to hire more people to make more stuff for the marketplace. Your naive to think it's going to go towards improving the part of the game your already paying for. </blockquote>More naieve than to think that the entire game is drifting toward station cash when a single set of furniture hits the marketplace?Let's be realistic here, folks <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 03:35 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and to add:While i'm probably not going to end up getting it, it's a nice addition to the marketplace <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />More funding for the game? More things like GPU Shadows! *Cheers*</blockquote>Wait, you think the money from the marketplace goes to improving the part of they game you pay $15 a month for? Intitially it went to hire more people to make more stuff for the marketplace. Your naive to think it's going to go towards improving the part of the game your already paying for. </blockquote>More naieve than to think that the entire game is drifting toward station cash when a single set of furniture hits the marketplace?</blockquote>Yes.

Avanya

04-16-2009, 03:40 PM

<cite>Kurgan@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malificant@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter as well and I feel cheated. I also have a Tailor that would have liked to make some of those new outfits / appearance items.I'm sure you can all anticipate the response from Kiara (if there is one) "We understand your concerns but blah blah blah this is keeping within the spirit of fluff"Just like the Dev responses to the new welcome screen. Lots of comments about "Yes, we like that idea to add to it. Oh.. that's a cool idea!" Not one post addressing the ability to turn it off or make so that it's once per session.Why not just raise the subscription price $1 a month and quit making us pay for this stuff. Obviously you have the staff resources to create / make the items...</blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter and I feel fine. Nor did my Tailor feel cheated at any of the clothing. It's fluff. Total fluff. The whole fluff and nothing but the fluff. Carpentry has long been a line of work subject to spikes in volume followed by long down periods regardless.Why would developers address turning off the welcome screen when it's already been addressed by players? I don't see it anymore. Took all of 10 seconds to fix.</blockquote>I would say that "fluff" is in the eye of the beholder. People who love to make items and decorate consider it a viable part of the game and therefore not fluff. Plus...putting so many "fluffs" in your post makes me want to sneeze! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 03:43 PM

<cite>Arani@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kurgan@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malificant@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter as well and I feel cheated. I also have a Tailor that would have liked to make some of those new outfits / appearance items.I'm sure you can all anticipate the response from Kiara (if there is one) "We understand your concerns but blah blah blah this is keeping within the spirit of fluff"Just like the Dev responses to the new welcome screen. Lots of comments about "Yes, we like that idea to add to it. Oh.. that's a cool idea!" Not one post addressing the ability to turn it off or make so that it's once per session.Why not just raise the subscription price $1 a month and quit making us pay for this stuff. Obviously you have the staff resources to create / make the items...</blockquote>I have an 80 Carpenter and I feel fine. Nor did my Tailor feel cheated at any of the clothing. It's fluff. Total fluff. The whole fluff and nothing but the fluff. Carpentry has long been a line of work subject to spikes in volume followed by long down periods regardless.Why would developers address turning off the welcome screen when it's already been addressed by players? I don't see it anymore. Took all of 10 seconds to fix.</blockquote>I would say that "fluff" is in the eye of the beholder. People who love to make items and decorate consider it a viable part of the game and therefore not fluff. Plus...putting so many "fluffs" in your post makes me want to sneeze! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>*Achoo* <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />*Chuckles*. Sorry, couldn't resist! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zorastiz

04-16-2009, 03:44 PM

Dreyco

04-16-2009, 03:45 PM

<cite>Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and to add:While i'm probably not going to end up getting it, it's a nice addition to the marketplace <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />More funding for the game? More things like GPU Shadows! *Cheers*</blockquote>Wait, you think the money from the marketplace goes to improving the part of they game you pay $15 a month for? Intitially it went to hire more people to make more stuff for the marketplace. Your naive to think it's going to go towards improving the part of the game your already paying for. </blockquote>More naieve than to think that the entire game is drifting toward station cash when a single set of furniture hits the marketplace?Let's be realistic here, folks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Dude, you need to be realistic, just wait, give it a year, two you will see just what you have to PAY for versus quest and adventure for.It will be RMT everywhere.</blockquote>Doom.... DOOOM!! Doooooom..... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Lolianna

04-16-2009, 03:51 PM

I, too, am very disappointed by this. As has been said by many here, this is all carpenters get: FLUFF. Many players are avid decoraters and I absolutely love receiving random tells, or, mail telling me how awesome my home or guild has been decorated. I've spent years perfecting some of my homes (main and alts alike) and reading the Norrathian Homeshow for wonderful ideas that get posted by others.If you think home decorating is 'fluff' in this game, you are wrong. It means as much to some of us as getting that cool looking weapon or gi does to others. In fact, before the game was released, when I read that there would be homes and furniture and that you could decorate, THAT is what won me over and the reason I subscribed to eq2. Making furniture and decorating homes is a special niche that came along with EQ2 and I love it.There is nothing in our books that is even close to the beauty of this set. I have to wonder why. Why, if it is possible, are these things not in our recipe books? I just don't get it. It also makes me wonder if all of the reallllly nice, most beautiful sets of furniture, will be kept for station cash and not placed in future recipe books. If that is the case, it will really ruin the satisfaction I have had when decorating over the past four plus years. Please don't do this to carpenters; it's just wrong.

Isard

04-16-2009, 03:53 PM

Mock away, but MMO's are moving to micro transactions and RMTs. EQ2 is heading that way. The new welcome screen... half of it is advertising for you to spend mony on LoN or SC.It's just frustrating when you see new and unique items / styles / textures being created and put in game, but only if you pay.After hearing over and over about how the artists resources are limited, the game can only support so many textures, etc, etc, we keep seeing BRAND NEW stuff coming in WEEKLY. It's getting harder and harder to swallow this BS.And the defening silence from SOE on these issues speaks volumes.

Amphibia

04-16-2009, 04:05 PM

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 04:07 PM

I just find it funny, that because of a piece of a furniture it is going to spell the end of EQ2.I can see the headlines now..."News at 11! Everquest 2 falls to Home Furnishings!"stay tuned!

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 04:15 PM

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sir Longsword wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't understand why the carpenters of Norrath are bent out of shape, that is some hideous furniture they are trying to sell through the marketplace. Why would anyone get that when you can get this little gem from your friendly neighborhood carpenters?<img src="http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm95/ohiostate_1/EQ2_000023.jpg?t=1239894840" /><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/m.williams/Desktop/EQ2_000023.jpg" /></blockquote>Ooooooh, someone posted a picture of the lovely alder bookcase for comparison. Hehe, well... not all of the carpenter made stuff is THAT hopeless, is it?</blockquote>No, not all of it...just most of the pre-T7 (except the lights, those aren't bad). But really I digress, more SC furniture in '09! And by all means make it cheap, cheap, cheap. 100 SC per item sounds right. P.S. Please add some decent bling to the marketplace too because there's nothing good on the broker.

Landiin

04-16-2009, 04:17 PM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just find it funny, that because of a piece of a furniture it is going to spell the end of EQ2.I can see the headlines now..."News at 11! Everquest 2 falls to Home Furnishings!"stay tuned!</blockquote>Rash it is not about of piece of furniture it about what that will lead to. They will toss some crappy fabeled armor item on there to test the waters.. Then it'll be some ToS patterns.. Then it'll be buy a lvl 80 SK today...

todamgoood4U

04-16-2009, 04:30 PM

<cite>Toran@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just find it funny, that because of a piece of a furniture it is going to spell the end of EQ2.I can see the headlines now..."News at 11! Everquest 2 falls to Home Furnishings!"stay tuned!</blockquote>Rash it is not about of piece of furniture it about what that will lead to. They will toss some crappy fabeled armor item on there to test the waters.. Then it'll be some ToS patterns.. Then it'll be buy a lvl 80 SK today...</blockquote>You forgot World Domination! That is sure to follow assumed progression.Seriously, I think people aren't looking at this the right way. Maybe instead of shaking your fist in disgust over it...ignore it and get on with your day. OR...better yet...think about whats coming. Maybe this is a small piece of the bigger picture. Maybe its a 'peak' at whats up and coming and for a small price you can get a set a little early. If this furniture looks good, I can't wait to see what the next expansion is sure to bring!If we look at progression, the tiers have gotten better and better looking stuff and this is hardly game breaking and those of you who have spent so much time decorating your house...guess what...its still going to look good with or without this one little set. This set of non status stuff isn't infringing on anything you have done.

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 04:31 PM

<cite>Toran@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just find it funny, that because of a piece of a furniture it is going to spell the end of EQ2.I can see the headlines now..."News at 11! Everquest 2 falls to Home Furnishings!"stay tuned!</blockquote>Rash it is not about of piece of furniture it about what that will lead to. They will toss some crappy fabeled armor item on there to test the waters.. Then it'll be some ToS patterns.. Then it'll be buy a lvl 80 SK today...</blockquote>Theres just a bit too much doom and gloom here. SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Unless they mirror the SC for the Exchange server...

Tuppen

04-16-2009, 04:46 PM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Toran@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just find it funny, that because of a piece of a furniture it is going to spell the end of EQ2.I can see the headlines now..."News at 11! Everquest 2 falls to Home Furnishings!"stay tuned!</blockquote>Rash it is not about of piece of furniture it about what that will lead to. They will toss some crappy fabeled armor item on there to test the waters.. Then it'll be some ToS patterns.. Then it'll be buy a lvl 80 SK today...</blockquote>Theres just a bit too much doom and gloom here. SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Unless they mirror the SC for the Exchange server...</blockquote>One can hope, though, right?

Whilhelmina

04-16-2009, 04:48 PM

I'm a Dark Elf, so I'm a daughter of Innoruuk, Prince of Hate. I HATE you SoE.I have a 80 carpenter (20 swash). I ran her through all factions to get special recipes. I ran my main through Moors to get the carpenter recipes there through adventuring. I stockpiled NoTD, Frostfell and Erollisi items. I stockpiled live event furnitures. Just to be able to decorate...I don't want to see new items on SC. If it was only those chairs, it wouldn't be that bas as we do have the same in other colors.. The bench... we have benches... But the table... and the CABINET ??? You must be jocking ? Don't add entirely new types of items that can be substituded with anything else in this game ! Come on ! At least if it was only a new color of item or if station cash money dropped in game sometimes... But new items that can only be bought ?May Innoruuk see you rot on the Plane of Hate for all eternity !A VERY frustrated carpenter.

GrunEQ

04-16-2009, 04:53 PM

todamgood4u said: SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Hate to bust your bubble but Smed has already stated that EQ2 will never be subscription free....so you will be paying both subscrition and RMT. Hope you have deep pockets.

Tuppen

04-16-2009, 04:55 PM

If I worked at SoE, I would be giggling greedily while rubbing my sweaty little palms together.The reaction to these items simply demonstrates how popular they are going to be when they are released through Station Cash. Cha-ching!

Rashaak

04-16-2009, 04:58 PM

<cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote>todamgood4u said: SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Hate to bust your bubble but Smed has already stated that EQ2 will never be subscription free....so you will be paying both subscrition and RMT. Hope you have deep pockets.</blockquote>They also said there would NEVER be any EPIC weapons in EQ2 and a bunch of other Nevers as well. Never say never in an MMO.

Sir Longsword

04-16-2009, 05:04 PM

<cite>Ethin@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I worked at SoE, I would be giggling greedily while rubbing my sweaty little palms together.The reaction to these items simply demonstrates how popular they are going to be when they are released through Station Cash. Cha-ching!</blockquote>If they really want to make some money, they need to start stocking legendary, fabled, mythical loot. Doesn't even have to be over-the-top better like the SC furniture. The same items in game will be fine. MEGA Cha-ching!

todamgoood4U

04-16-2009, 05:06 PM

<cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote>todamgood4u said: SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Hate to bust your bubble but Smed has already stated that EQ2 will never be subscription free....so you will be paying both subscrition and RMT. Hope you have deep pockets.</blockquote>Uhhh...quote button ftw?!??! I didn't say any of that...

todamgoood4U

04-16-2009, 05:24 PM

<cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm a Dark Elf, so I'm a daughter of Innoruuk, Prince of Hate. I HATE you SoE.I have a 80 carpenter (20 swash). I ran her through all factions to get special recipes. I ran my main through Moors to get the carpenter recipes there through adventuring. I stockpiled NoTD, Frostfell and Erollisi items. I stockpiled live event furnitures. Just to be able to decorate...I don't want to see new items on SC. If it was only those chairs, it wouldn't be that bas as we do have the same in other colors.. The bench... we have benches... But the table... and the CABINET ??? You must be jocking ? Don't add entirely new types of items that can be substituded with anything else in this game ! Come on ! At least if it was only a new color of item or if station cash money dropped in game sometimes... But new items that can only be bought ?May Innoruuk see you rot on the Plane of Hate for all eternity !A VERY frustrated carpenter.</blockquote>Uh, yea. So how much profit are you projecting to make when these items, along with many more, will be available to be made with the new expansion? Will you still be complaining every time you click your "Take Coin" button?It can be assumed that the new furniture will be just as good, if not better, have status in the 1500+ range and every carpenter crying foul here will be pushing out as much of it as they can, marked up as high as they can to make as much plat as they can. The fact of the matter is, this one set isn't cutting into your profits, your decorating, or your ability to play the game, just like everything else they have put in SC.So, once again, put down your torches and pitchforks. Your only drawing attention to the issue for those who will buy it, spurring SOE to continue producing more items. Negative attention is still attention, and everyone complaining is just helping make it even more successful.Grats.

GrunEQ

04-16-2009, 05:24 PM

Sorry if I misquoted, but I wanted to avoid all the extra stuff that wasn't to the point and it appeared as though you were the one who posted it. As far as never say never...well we are talking about money now...so yeah, I expect it will be a definate never when it comes to lowering or eliminating the subscription fee. After all, they are a Business and want to make money, right? Or so people have posted.

Mikai

04-16-2009, 05:29 PM

I really am a little shocked that this has had more of an uprising than the welcome screen.That aside, a carpenter myself, I do see the issue with offering furniture through station cash. However, nobody's going to be decorating their entire house using only these SC pieces. Would be rather dull not to mention expensive. Carpenters still have a role, which I hope will be improved on in addition to anything SC might have to offer.I'm still hoping for Domino to quell our fears with a well placed comment about Carpenters getting new pretty recipes soon, and possibly (crosses fingers) some new craftable gear for my tailor to play with. Time will tell. In the meantime, I'm not going to cry Doom just because SOE threw a little furniture up for sale.However, I would like to see SOE steer away from infringing on crafters and more toward things SOE can uniquely offer. Race Change potion, for example, would be VERY nice. I do rather like the potions and I can justify the appearance gear. But they get into dangerous territory as they add more and more items that compete with tradeskillers. At the very least, SOE needs to make sure crafted items are just as viable as any items that may be purchased with SC.

Brook

04-16-2009, 05:37 PM

<cite>todamgoood4U wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm a Dark Elf, so I'm a daughter of Innoruuk, Prince of Hate. I HATE you SoE.I have a 80 carpenter (20 swash). I ran her through all factions to get special recipes. I ran my main through Moors to get the carpenter recipes there through adventuring. I stockpiled NoTD, Frostfell and Erollisi items. I stockpiled live event furnitures. Just to be able to decorate...I don't want to see new items on SC. If it was only those chairs, it wouldn't be that bas as we do have the same in other colors.. The bench... we have benches... But the table... and the CABINET ??? You must be jocking ? Don't add entirely new types of items that can be substituded with anything else in this game ! Come on ! At least if it was only a new color of item or if station cash money dropped in game sometimes... But new items that can only be bought ?May Innoruuk see you rot on the Plane of Hate for all eternity !A VERY frustrated carpenter.</blockquote>Uh, yea. So how much profit are you projecting to make when these items, along with many more, will be available to be made with the new expansion? Will you still be complaining every time you click your "Take Coin" button?It can be assumed that the new furniture will be just as good, if not better, have status in the 1500+ range and every carpenter crying foul here will be pushing out as much of it as they can, marked up as high as they can to make as much plat as they can. The fact of the matter is, this one set isn't cutting into your profits, your decorating, or your ability to play the game, just like everything else they have put in SC.So, once again, put down your torches and pitchforks. Your only drawing attention to the issue for those who will buy it, spurring SOE to continue producing more items. Negative attention is still attention, and everyone complaining is just helping make it even more successful.Grats.</blockquote>You don't really believe that do you?IMO the problem has nothing to do with profits any crafter might make on this set of furniture, the problem resides in the fact that crafters in the game do not have access to items that are this nice. Not everyone cares about having tons of plat with nothing to spend it on at end game.It didn't hurt tailors as much because quite frankly the gear they are selling is rather ugly, same could be said about alot of the crafted gear as of late but thats a different subject.This furniture is some of the best looking pieces I have seen to date so there is a valid concern.Why cant our crafters make stuff like this? It would appear there are textures to support it.

Isard

04-16-2009, 05:48 PM

^^That is the point of my complaint. You start with this, next week its something else.As I said before, we keep getting told how the art teams resources are limited, the game can only have so many unique textures, blah, blah, blah.... and yet... every SC thing is new and shiny. New textures, new designs, new models.Funny how that works.

Firecracker

04-16-2009, 08:29 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Take a look at the newest items that will be available through the <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/en/stationcash/" target="_blank">Station Marketplace</a> on Tuesday, April 21, 2009!<table cellpadding="0" width="600" bgcolor="#663300"><tbody><tr><td><div><table cellpadding="0" width="595" bgcolor="#eddfc5" bordercolor="#000000"><tbody><tr><td><table cellpadding="0" width="595"><tbody><tr><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Cash/4-15-09/bench_info.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench_info_th.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="175" /></a></div></td><td><div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/stationcash/09apr/bench_th.jpg" border="0" width="250" height="285" /></a></div></td></tr><tr><td> </td><td> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=3054&section=News&locale=en_US">Read more!</a></blockquote>I remember back when Rothgar asked for feedback on the stuff in the Market Place that a LOT ask you guys to not put Furniture in there and if you did it should be a recipe. I can tell by the pages already that this wasn't a good idea. Anyways I would like to see them be Heirloom please and maybe be recipes that any lvl 9 crafter can craft please?

Teircen

04-17-2009, 08:12 AM

What a cruel slap in the face to carpenters. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />To be fair why not add spells and combat arts to the marketplace that players WILL want that can only be obtained via Marketplace? How about Mastercrafted armor and weapons players would want that can only be obtained this way? Don't let the crafters have the recipes for them... well, ok, maybe you can consider it in a few months during some other update.Lets put some perspective here. Carpentry is not a necessary skill. I have yet to meet a player who doesn't periodically buy crafted armor, weapons, and adept III spells/combat arts. I know quite a few who upgrade to these every single chance they can! I know just as many players who don't even bother with housing. Now, not only are carpenters competing with each other and the fact that there's no "need" for it other than as a fluff profession but against LoN and now the Marketplace is offering items that match the best quality we can make?Part of the reason NPC furniture vendors were removed from the game was because they negatively impacted an in-game artisan class. Adding furtniture to Marketplace is the same thing except that now people have to spend real money to get it.I do not like this at all.

Rijacki

04-17-2009, 11:46 AM

<cite>Teircen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Part of the reason NPC furniture vendors were removed from the game was because they negatively impacted an in-game artisan class. Adding furtniture to Marketplace is the same thing except that now people have to spend real money to get it.</blockquote>The NPC sold furniture was removed because much of it was 100% -identical- to player crafted but cost less than the fuel and component cost (stuff paid to NPCs) for crafting. THAT was the negative impact, not that they had furniture.FOUR items (with 4 of those items 'repeated'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> vs... how many carpenter recipes? how many faction recipe furniture items? how many quested, collected, or other reward items? how many pick-up items in the TSO instances?Will that dining set be required as a feature in every house? Will it fit into every decor and house scheme?This is being blown more than a bit out of proportion.IF no recipes AT ALL hadn't been added for more than a year (i.e. since the last level cap increase), IF carpenters didn't get a special TSO quest all to themselves, IF there hadn't been new items added to each of the Live Events (crafted or not), IF there hadn't been a new idea of picking up items from an adventure zone, IF the only thing added was "old world" (original zones) zone art bits, IF crafters were being told there just wasn't going to be anything added for them because it takes too much trouble, then I would agree this is earth shattering (kinda like the state of game when EoF launched or even DoF or even KoS).Claims that non-SC and non-LoN stuff all looks tattered and ripped, like it was the remnants of a failed garage or tag sale is also pure exageration. At one time, yes, the only items being added for crafters did look pretty natty. With the RoK and even the TSO expansion, the items added in as furniture have been pretty darn nice and have even, with the inclusion of 'building blocks' listened to what players have requested.

Kordran

04-17-2009, 12:19 PM

<cite>Firecracker@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember back when Rothgar asked for feedback on the stuff in the Market Place that a LOT ask you guys to not put Furniture in there and if you did it should be a recipe. I can tell by the pages already that this wasn't a good idea. Anyways I would like to see them be Heirloom please and maybe be recipes that any lvl 9 crafter can craft please?</blockquote>That would defeat the purpose of the Marketplace, would it not? The idea, first and foremost, is to make SOE more money. Offering recipies would be counterproductive towards that goal.

Lethe5683

04-17-2009, 12:21 PM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote>todamgood4u said: SoE has already said they would like to move towards RMT rather than Monthly subs, and i really hope they do. I would love to have EQ2 subscription free. The majority of what will be available in-game will be available in-game, not in SC. What I do see in the future is that you will be able to buy plat through SC though...other than that, I seriously doubt there will be anything like Stat based gear or toons...Hate to bust your bubble but Smed has already stated that EQ2 will never be subscription free....so you will be paying both subscrition and RMT. Hope you have deep pockets.</blockquote>They also said there would NEVER be any EPIC weapons in EQ2 and a bunch of other Nevers as well. Never say never in an MMO.</blockquote>The only never you can count on with SoE is that they will never pass up an opportunity to make more money.

Spyderbite

04-17-2009, 12:28 PM

<cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would defeat the purpose of the Marketplace, would it not? The idea, first and foremost, is to make SOE more money. Offering recipies would be counterproductive towards that goal.</blockquote>Exactly. From a profit stand point.. a recipe doesn't make sense. If any level 9 player can make it and sell it.. that is going to cut the number of items sold on the Market Place down drastically to nearly 1% of the player base. Only takes a few people on each server to invest $15 bucks and then supply their entire server with the items. Rather than selling the item directly to the thousands of people who want them in their homes.Same goes for offering them in game as well as on Market Place. Even if a difficult quest is involved.. people blow through the toughest challenges in game with ease these days. And, once these items make it to the broker for plat instead of RMT. Who's going to buy it from Market Place? If I went to the store to buy smokes and saw a rack with Marlboro Ultra Lights available for $6 plus tax.. and another for rack with packs available for free. I'm gonna smoke for free.Again, I emphasize that I would have liked to see these items offered to Carpenters instead of on Market Place. But, with the exception of removing the items and reintroducing them as recipes and then refunding the hundreds or thousands of people who bought them (or will be buying them on the 21st).. there really isn't a solution that is going to make everyone happy.The only solution I can see that would work with the business model would be adding these items and perhaps all the SC items to the list of LoN Loot Card items. That way there is still a PowerBall odds chance that people who get loot cards dropped from mobs might get one of these items.

Kordran

04-17-2009, 01:24 PM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Exactly. From a profit stand point.. a recipe doesn't make sense. If any level 9 player can make it and sell it.. that is going to cut the number of items sold on the Market Place down drastically to nearly 1% of the player base. Only takes a few people on each server to invest $15 bucks and then supply their entire server with the items. Rather than selling the item directly to the thousands of people who want them in their homes.</blockquote>Based on a lot of posts on these forums, you'd think that people expect SOE to function as a non-profit organization and that doing something to further increase profits is somehow morally objectionable.Given that it's accurate that SOE has been able to fund two more developers solely from the profits being generated by the Marketplace, it's pretty clear that a lot of players have no problem with the concept and implementation of the Marketplace and Station Cash (and that there was a large, untapped market for fluff in the game).I personally see no "slippery slope" here with the introduction of furniture. It's still just fluff. It still has not impact on the actual mechanics of the game or abilities of the players. If they were to start selling armor and weapons with stats, quest updates and zone keys, then I would have an issue. But as long as it's just fluff and cosmetic stuff like name changes that people are willing to pay for, no problem here.

GrunEQ

04-17-2009, 01:41 PM

It will start out with this set of furniture, then there will others. Then they will start adding spells and weapons, and combat arts....mind you...only a few at a time to test the waters. These are all pushes to see what the crowd will allow. Little increments so that you will become sensitised. <shakes head> sad, really sad. It's ruining the game.

Dreyco

04-17-2009, 02:35 PM

Most other MMO Company out there does things like this, except to levels that SOE hasn't even touched. We are fortunate that they have yet to go there yet, and they have been genuine in their promise not to go there yet.Stop with the "What ifs". The marketplace has been around for months and it hasn't even tread the water in the Doom and Gloom messages that have been filling this post.

Amphibia

04-17-2009, 02:36 PM

Coniaric

04-17-2009, 05:08 PM

Looking back over the furntiure recipes we carpenters got ... not much really compare to the Cherry Grove set. Except maybe the Wantia set, but it's pretty close. Also nearly everything we have, if not all, are reused resources we can already see in the game.Whatever elegant or luxurious we can make come out looking like we'd jumped on them while crafting. The dasmask seating we got has those bald spots and stains and whatever. Stuff that had been battered and beaten. Take a look at them in any furniture database available such as EQ2 Traders Corner.So why can't we expect any furniture that come our way to look just as nice as the set coming to the Marketplace?We should. If they have the resources to make those exceptionally nice-looking items, then they can make something just as nice as part of regular game content - not solely for the Marketplace, that is - and not always recycled from what are seen in the game.

Kordran

04-17-2009, 06:02 PM

<cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote>It will start out with this set of furniture, then there will others. Then they will start adding spells and weapons, and combat arts....mind you...only a few at a time to test the waters. These are all pushes to see what the crowd will allow. Little increments so that you will become sensitised. sad, really sad. It's ruining the game.</blockquote>Oh noes! The sky, it's falling! It's falling, I tells you!So far, they have released nothing that is game altering in any permanent way, aside from the cosmetic name and appearance changes which people have been asking for since ... well, since the game was released. I would agree with you that offering unique (non-fluff) spells, weapons and other gear with stats would be a bad move. But it hasn't happened yet, and there's no indication that it will happen.The introduction of furniture, the very definition of fluff in this game, is no step further down the "slippery slope". No moreso than the introduction of armor that armorers can't make, clothing that tailors can't make, or pets that can't be bought in-game or quested for. They are fluff. They will continue to be fluff. Offering more and more fluff doesn't move them closer to offering "spells and weapons", it moves them closer to offering ... you guessed it! More fluff. I'm sure that at some point, in addition to appearance armor, they're going to be selling appearance weapons and shields. More power to 'em. (And I'm someone who has both a level 80 armorer and level 80 weaponsmith).

Efour EQ2

04-17-2009, 07:47 PM

Make more hats ... like 10 a week.. thats where the real money is at.I quite hate station cash et al but if its the only way we are ever gonna get some new hats then so be it. Make a red/black feathered hat for Ratonga brigands... that looks half decent - ill give u £3 for that.

Aneova

04-18-2009, 12:20 PM

so i opened "The Window" and took a look at the list of items... no furniture in it for sale.

Rijacki

04-18-2009, 12:40 PM

<cite>Aneova@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>so i opened "The Window" and took a look at the list of items... no furniture in it for sale.</blockquote>It's not going to be added until the 21st.

Wilde_Night

04-18-2009, 01:52 PM

I really don't like that these items can't be made in game by our players. And, yeah, I always wondered why did all the crafted stuff look like it came from a shady thrift store.That being said...Can I get this set in red or black velvet? *bats eyes*

Arciahand

04-19-2009, 10:38 PM

Ok, so I have played EQ2 since day 1... Everquest for 3+ years, StarWars Galaxies (yes... I will admit it) for a year... lets do some general numbers crunching.... 10+ expansions... 3 games... approximately $14 a month... I have spent about $1,596 on SOE.... O wait lol, forgot, my wife plays... ok so about double that. So $3,000 is not quite enough for me to get a couch without tacking on a few extra bux? Really? I know I am not alone. I accept it when they mess up my toon. I accept it when the server is down... I accept it when the GMs ignore my /petition... but I felt a little silly when I bought a dude 5 packs of LoN cards to trade for a Pirate Illusion so my Swashy could have a parrot on his shoulder. That seemed at least mildly acceptable. Now it would appear that as they tested the waters to see what we will pay for we have failed as the society of MMORPG players. I am part of that failure.While I do not blame us, the players, for this failure we need to force the change. If they make this armor, clothing and furniture and no one buys the items then the idea will die. We are the ones that will either support this or cause it to fail. So let the handful of us that have money to spare buy this "fluff" do it. Then we should mock them for it. Make them wish they could return it the couch as a defective piece of junk stamped with "Made in China" (like the PP they bought last week) on the bottom. The economy has gone to crap, and the gaming industry is booming because of it. We have the money, lets make them earn it.If we do not eventually force some change we will have to pay to get into the good raids, the good quests and most of our decent good content. Sure... it may only be fluff right now, but they make the rules, they can change them if we support it. Actually we do pay for the new content every time we buy an expansion... Ya know the ironic part about all this? Every time we log in we accept an user agreement stating that all our in game property is really SOE's... even if we paid for it.Make this idea go the way of the infamous adventure pack.

Spyderbite

04-20-2009, 12:01 AM

<cite>Arciahand wrote:</cite><blockquote>If we do not eventually force some change we will have to pay to get into the good raids, the good quests and most of our decent good content. </blockquote>You know what they say about Assumptions, right?

Efour EQ2

04-20-2009, 05:37 AM

They come true over the next 6-12 months ??

Eddes

04-20-2009, 08:53 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>More precisely, why CAN'T our crafters make stuff this nice?Complete match sets of furniture? Gorgeous ornate cabinet? Why wasn't this given to carpenters?</blockquote>Agreed!!! Not all of us want to work our carp class all the way up to 80 and still have to pay MORE money to get great house items..../disappointed

Vlahkmaak

04-20-2009, 12:00 PM

<cite>Krunck@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really like some of the stuff coming in from the station store, but I have to echo the concern, why can't our crafters get new recipes. It seems to me that carpentars are being replaced by the station store. </blockquote>Due to the inability of the crafters to be more productive and not let cost over runs weigh down both major and minor projects, as well as the over runs due to associated union costs pertaining mainly to health care, retierement, and the exhorbiant cost of law suits related to in experienced adventurer parties inadvertantly slaying all ratonga provisioners when charged with keeping vermin out of the larders in crafting instances SOE has been forced to out source all new crafting and charge real money instead of virtual currency within the gaming system. We thank you for your years of dedication but in these lean times this is a more profitable venture at this time and our stock holders demand we keep them satisfied lest they withdraw their financial support and we have to pull the plug on everything. Have a great day and please visit the staion store today and buy, buy, buy or all Norrath will soon resemble Detroit.

Avanya

04-20-2009, 02:43 PM

lol ok, 80 carpenter here1) Carpenters hear a lot of cha-chings from collecting coin off the broker? News to me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The only thing I've ever been able to make a small amount of plat off of is strong boxes. I used to put furniture up on the broker but it never seemed to sell and when it did, only a small amount of profit. I make furniture for myself and friends/guildies for free or if rare, I ask for the rare.2) When I first saw the SC furniture and this thread, I wasn't too bothered by it. I did wonder why we (carpenters) don't get recipes for items as good as these but read the posts talking about how much nice furniture we've gotten since Domino came on board and thought, well that's true.Well, I happen to be redecorating my main toon's house and I was flipping through the furniture section on EQ2traders to find items for my house. After doing it a few times, I finally realized that this idea of carpenters being so spoiled was not totally true. I noticed that a lot of the nicer items are items that any crafter can make. Frostfell, Erollisi Day, Nights of the Dead, TSO furniture...all of these can be made by any crafter. Then there are the LoN paintings...Yes, people do pay for these, but that's not the point. The point is that they are so insanely better than anything carpenters can make that it's not even a contest.I truly didn't realize all this. I seriously wouldn't mind the SC thing if anything we could make was in any way comparable to these items. But, after searching through all the items, there just isn't anything...unless you count the Erollisi day chaise lounges (any crafter can make). There are really nice acorn chairs in the game though! Oh wait, those were bought off a vendor with void shard items prior to TSO lolOh well, the world is not coming to an end. I will say this though, I remember reading on the board that (Sony person I can't remember the name of) wanted to keep most of the furniture in the game in the hands of carpenters. Not sure what happened to that idea. If you doubt what I say, go to EQ2traders...check out the furniture for yourself.On a side note...we asked for ages for NPC's that we could put in our houses and were told it couldn't be done. Sorceress and guardian anyone? /shrug

Rainmare

04-21-2009, 07:30 PM

What makes me so angry about this is that it is, as per usual, the BEST looking stuff you can POSSILBY get. the LoN paintings...there's NOTHING in game comparable. this new furniture set? NOTHING in game comparable.I wasn't upset about the Gi armor. there's gi's in game for appearance too. it was just another color. the other armor was mostly in game looks with different colors and setups. some of the helms are nice looking, like the conan hat. but since 9/10 of the people I see don't wear helms cause they make you bald/peopel like showing thier hairdos, I wasn't overly concerned.but yes, the idea of the best mounts being LoN, the beast paintings being lon, and now our first look at the best furniture set being marketplace, does raise concern.I don't want to see the most badass looking sword/axe/hammer and tower/kite/round shields being 'station cash' only fluff. I don't want to log on and see new to station cash, the Nature's Defender replica! replicated from the past, this ornate sword can be yours for 500 SC! since, imo anyway that was one of the best looking blades in EQ1.Yes, we can hope that this new set is more of a 'look at the new level of nice looks your going to get' kinda thing, but judging from the previous experience with LoN paintings, it's more likely a 'look at the best furniture in game...we have the ability to make it ingame, but your going to be paying for it instead' thing.And yes, domino has done a wonderful job. but I still don't see any player made painting that comes even within 10 miles of the nice looks of an LoN painting. and I'm not faulting domino for that. more likely it them telling her that she can't make those items that nice as recipes since it's reserved for LoN/SC usage.and that annoys me. alot.

Gleamblade

04-21-2009, 09:33 PM

Wouldnt worry about it at all Carpenters.... It can't be placed in guild halls. So don't expect it to be an item around long. Unless they plan on fixing that issue.... But worthless item as it is now.

Spyderbite

04-21-2009, 11:02 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>What makes me so angry about this is that it is, as per usual, the BEST looking stuff you can POSSILBY get. the LoN paintings...there's NOTHING in game comparable. this new furniture set? NOTHING in game comparable.</blockquote>I have one of those paintings as the result of a loot card drop in darklight wood. That's really a bad example.

Hirofortis

04-22-2009, 12:20 AM

Never ever seen a loot card painting drop EVER. Tell us which one or tell us what your imbibbing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Juravael

04-22-2009, 01:17 AM

My opinion ( though it matters not ) is to leave the furniture in game for the Carpenters, Period.

Tinrae

04-22-2009, 02:06 AM

<cite>Krunck@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Never ever seen a loot card painting drop EVER. Tell us which one or tell us what your imbibbing. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>LoN boosters do drop in game, albeit extremely rarely. I've gotten two booster pack drops myself, over a period of a year. I didn't get anything cool though, lol. Check your local broker for "Legends of Norrath" and you'll see dropped cards and packs being sold by players.Most likely he got lucky with the loot card when he opened a dropped booster pack.