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Summerhawk
04-13-2009, 12:41 PM
<p>I've been scouring the forums and haven't found anything on this. I'm a new necro, lvl 16 atm, so please don't yell at me for asking a newb question.</p><p>When looking at AA builds and such all I see are two choices, solo and raid/grouping. I don't know about the rest of you but, I do not solo all of the time nor do I group all of the time. I actualy spend more time soloing. But, if I spec solo then groups won't want me, right?</p><p> What I'm looking for is a good balanced build for my necro. There probably isn't such a thing but, I've gotta ask.</p><p>Any other feedback for a new necro would be greatly appreciated. My main is only a 35 monk and I'm looking for more of a challenge in a class.</p>

Azekah1
04-13-2009, 01:10 PM
<p><cite>eqsummerhawke wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But, if I spec solo then groups won't want me, right?</p></blockquote><p>Nobody is really going to care outside of raiding. Do whatever works best for you.</p>

wullailhuit
04-13-2009, 01:17 PM
<p>There really is no balanced build for necros , we have 2 choices</p><p>AP setups that help our 'tank' pet...well...tank better / have more HP / do more melee damage / avoid more incoming damage and have a tainted heals to keep them up.</p><p>and</p><p>AP setups that help our mage pets and ourselves do more DPS.</p><p>I'd get an AP mirror and swap as needed.</p>

Xalmat
04-13-2009, 02:55 PM
<p>Indeed, there is no balanced build that lets you effectively solo <em>and</em> effectively DPS. Achievement builds for summoners are mutually exclusive in that regard.</p><p>That said, at lower levels no one is really going to care what your build is, and in fact AA builds in group play don't matter at all until level 70. Just spec for pure soloing until you can afford an AA mirror (Mirror of Reflected Achievements).</p>

Mew
04-14-2009, 11:38 AM
<p>I use my solo build during pick up groups (aka PUG's) fairly often since I don't always have time to run by my house and use my AA mirror to change over.  Honestly, the difference isn't that huge since most group encounters are too short lived.  Its only on the longer fights that necro dps gets maximized.  The biggest damage is going to come from the Rotting line AA's during groups.  I have that max'd out for both solo and group/raid lines anyway.  For raids you do want your pet dps optimized since the pet's damage will count for more. </p>

Summerhawk
04-14-2009, 12:07 PM
<p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I use my solo build during pick up groups (aka PUG's) fairly often since I don't always have time to run by my house and use my AA mirror to change over.  Honestly, the difference isn't that huge since most group encounters are too short lived.  Its only on the longer fights that necro dps gets maximized.  The biggest damage is going to come from the Rotting line AA's during groups.  I have that max'd out for both solo and group/raid lines anyway.  For raids you do want your pet dps optimized since the pet's damage will count for more. </p></blockquote><p> Thanks! That was the responce I was looking for and helps alot. I normaly play fighter types in mmo's so, this necro is totaly new to me.</p>

Xalmat
04-14-2009, 02:23 PM
<p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I use my solo build during pick up groups (aka PUG's) fairly often since I don't always have time to run by my house and use my AA mirror to change over.</p></blockquote><p>Nonsense, you ALWAYS have time to run back to your house to swap. You're doing your group a MAJOR disservice that way, not matter how little.</p>

Summerhawk
04-14-2009, 05:32 PM
<p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I use my solo build during pick up groups (aka PUG's) fairly often since I don't always have time to run by my house and use my AA mirror to change over.</p></blockquote><p>Nonsense, you ALWAYS have time to run back to your house to swap. You're doing your group a MAJOR disservice that way, not matter how little.</p></blockquote><p> See, that's the bad attitude that I don't understand. It seems people get their panties in a bunch if a class isn't specced exactly the way they want them to be. Why be rude to people if they choose to play the game a little bit different than you do? And I haven't checked the price of these AA mirror's but, I can guess that it is so high priced that a new player can't even dream of affording it. And it's probably for like lvl 80's only to boot.</p><p> There seems to be more than one way to play a class, otherwise there wouldn't be so many tree lines. If there was only one way for things to work perfectly then there wouldn't be so many choices.</p>

Xalmat
04-14-2009, 06:27 PM
<p><cite>Summerhawk@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> See, that's the bad attitude that I don't understand. It seems people get their panties in a bunch if a class isn't specced exactly the way they want them to be. Why be rude to people if they choose to play the game a little bit different than you do? And I haven't checked the price of these AA mirror's but, I can guess that it is so high priced that a new player can't even dream of affording it. And it's probably for like lvl 80's only to boot.</p></blockquote><p>Which would you rather have, a tank spec'd for DPS but not tanking (and therefore going to get pummeled), or a tank spec'd for tanking (less DPS, but can take the hits)? Or a healer that's spec'd for pure DPS that is a horrible healer as a result, or a healer that spec'd for heals first and able to keep the group alive with ease?</p><p>If a DPS class joins my group and isn't properly spec'd, I <em>will</em> call them out on it. By not properly speccing, and therefore maximizing DPS, it simply makes <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>everything</em></span> harder. And it makes you look bad, and makes other people in your class look bad (I have a <em>very </em>negative perception of Summoners because of my experiences with poorly skilled Summoners; nevermind that I play -- and raid -- my Conjuror full time).</p><p>AA mirrors are a bit expensive, but by the time you are level 80 there's no excuse. You can farm the mirror component in Sebilis quite easily (even as early as level 74 for some classes); then it's just a matter of finding a crafter that's willing to craft it.</p>

Mew
04-15-2009, 04:12 PM
<p>Well, I gave up listening to certain posters awhile ago.  So, what they write doesn't bother me.  A group is a group and a raid is a raid.  If someone is really that put out that I dont take time to swap my AA's that person doesn't have to group with me. Or they can wait while I zone to NFP, zone into my house, swap my AA spec, zone back to my GH, zone to the zone outside the instance and then zone into the instance.   That's about 10 min of zoning for an instance that will take 60 to 90 minutes to complete.  A raid is completely different matter.  I always will respec for a raid.</p><p>Necro short fight dps is so gimped, anyway, that not too many folks invite us to PUG's anymore.  Not when there is a glut of assassins and furies around.</p>

Jasuo
04-15-2009, 08:22 PM
<p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;"><div><p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: small;">Or they can wait while I zone to NFP, zone into my house, swap my AA spec, zone back to my GH, zone to the zone outside the instance and then zone into the instance.</span></span> </p></blockquote></div></span></p><p>Or you can go from guild hall straight to your house via the purchaseable portal, hit the mirror, and then port back to the guild hall via the purchaseable door and then take a bell or possibly raid flag to wherever the zone is.  Should cut the time down to 2 mins at the most which is about how long it takes for others in the group to move to the zone.</p>

BLIGHTBRINGER
04-20-2009, 02:48 PM
<p>don't suppose anyone knows what these portals and doors are called at the broker?  sound really useful!</p><p>Hellstone</p>

Xalmat
04-20-2009, 02:57 PM
<p>The portal is a guild hall amenity, and it's something your guild leader has to set up. The door is bought off the status merchants in your city, and not on the broker.</p>

BLIGHTBRINGER
04-20-2009, 03:08 PM
<p>thank you very much for the quick reply!</p><p>Hellstone</p>

Triad
04-21-2009, 05:06 PM
<p>The closest to a "balanced build" IMO would be a PvP centric build.</p><p>Something along the lines of the (PvP) build posted here-</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=446420" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=446420</a></p><p>Try here--   <a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eq2flames.com/</a></p><p>Might find something as well.</p>

CorpseRun
04-22-2009, 02:43 AM
<p>There is no balanced build.  You either spec for DPS or spec for Solo.  There's no middle man.  If you don't spec DPS yer pretty well worthless to your group because you and your pet can't do any damage.  If you are specd DPS you can't solo worth a [Removed for Content] (at least not hard targets) so you need two different AA specs.  -- and two different sets of gear helps too --</p><p>Unfortunately for you the smoldering reflective shard you need to make an AA mirrior probably costs a bloody fortune on your server about now.</p><p>But seriously boys and girls heed these words "Necro really are worthless unless you spec them for the occasion and spec them correctly"</p>