Constant crashing with Vista 64.

[Metaphysix]

<p>Didn't have one crash with the 32-Bit XP client I was running EQ2 on for the past two months. Now I get a crash between 5-10 minutes from logging on. I see alot of threads about it with different symptoms and possible solutions. None of these seem to solve my issue.</p><p>Vista 64 bit, Qx6700 Quad Core, 8800GTX 768MB Card, 4 GB of RAM.</p><p>I just came back to the game about 2 months ago, but I don't want to keep paying for something I can't play now.</p><p>EQ2 freezes, I still hear the music for awhile; but that eventually cuts out. Freezes the entire computer, can't alt tab or Task Manager my way out, so I have to shut off my entire computer. Reading other people's threads... it seems this is a somewhat common problem for quads and 64-bit Vista with this game. I have literally tested 10 other Online Games (shooters and other MMOs) and each one worked without problem.</p><p>This is nuts.</p><p>Uninstalled, Reinstalled, Transferred from my former XP drive, Turned off Multi-Core, Did the UAC trick, Checked RAM useage (4 GB total RAM).</p><p>Why hasn't this issue been looked into more if there's multiple threads about it?</p><p>Update: Problems Are Persisting. I really don't want to cancel my account, but I'm not going back to 32-Bit or downgrading back to XP to play this game with no problems, like I used to.</p>

[Paralord]

<p>Pretty sure it is the game.  I have read that a few of us have the same problem, I usually do not have a problem in fullscreen mode.  It only happens when playing in window mode. </p><p>  As of yet I have not seen any response back to the other threads listed</p>

[Veskandar]

<p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p>

[Paralord]

<p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I disagree.  For one each game has a different graphics engine, and for another, I have tested my system on alot of other games (WoW, Fallout 3, Crysis, etc..)  I have ZERO problems. </p><p>  So do to this, and the fact nothing happened prior to this game.  It is the game.</p>

[Metaphysix]

<p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I mean no offense here, but I sincerely don't think you know what you're talking about with the x64 crash.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Metaphysix wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I mean no offense here, but I sincerely don't think you know what you're talking about with the x64 crash.</p></blockquote><p>thing is, running a dual boot into Vista Ultimate 64 and Windows 7, 6 GB DDR3 memory, Nvidia 285 card and can play in both full screen mode and windowed mode on both OS's. Also play WOW, EQ1, Vanguard, SWG with little or no problems. Switch back and forth between full screen and windows mode numerous times during a in game period, have had a small number of crashes but nothing set and solid. Have more issues with ACT and Ventrillo crashing on the same systems then I have with EQ2 crashing becasue of windowed mode.</p><p> I do agree, it is a combination of things that may or may not interact with unpredicately results, not just one hard issue.</p>

[Kerane]

<p><cite>Metaphysix wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I mean no offense here, but I sincerely don't think you know what you're talking about with the x64 crash.</p></blockquote><p>What Layton is saying, is that it can not be the only reason for the crashes. both him and me run Vista x64, and dont have crashes. The game runs smoothly as ever.</p><p>So there must be other factors at work here.</p><p>The game can be a factor, but not the only issue, or the both of us would see the same crashes you are experiencing</p>

[Metaphysix]

<p>Now I can understand that far better.</p><p>But are either of your running Quad Cores? That seems to be the case with most people in this particular sub-forum who are reporting crashes.</p><p>Headache galore trying to troubleshoot this for over a week now.</p><p>Warhammer's trial is not giving me any trouble. I'm about to cancel my subscription here, if I can't figure this out. Very few people on this forum (with this same problem) has had any real help from a TSR outside of the basic "is your computer on" type of troubleshooting.</p><p><cite>Kerane wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Metaphysix wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I mean no offense here, but I sincerely don't think you know what you're talking about with the x64 crash.</p></blockquote><p>What Layton is saying, is that it can not be the only reason for the crashes. both him and me run Vista x64, and dont have crashes. The game runs smoothly as ever.</p><p>So there must be other factors at work here.</p><p>The game can be a factor, but not the only issue, or the both of us would see the same crashes you are experiencing</p></blockquote>

[TygerMeow]

<p>Meta, have you tried turning off Vista Aero graphics? You can do this by finding Everquest2.exe, right-clicking and going to Properties, then the Compatibility tab. Check both 'Disable visual themes' and 'Disable desktop composition'. This will turn on Vista basic mode every time that EQ2 launches.</p><p>This may or may not fix your problem, but this worked for me on Vista 32 when I upgraded to an nVidia GTX 295. Seems to be a problem with nVidia, Vista Aero and windowed mode graphics applications.</p><p>If this works for you, you will have to complete this every time everquest2.exe gets patched. I hope you stop crashing, I know how frustrating this is! We pay to play, not to reboot.</p>

[ganjookie]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Metaphysix wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Layton@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If it was the game, everyone with 64 bit would have that problem, more likely its a combination of things</p></blockquote><p>I mean no offense here, but I sincerely don't think you know what you're talking about with the x64 crash.</p></blockquote><p>thing is, running a dual boot into Vista Ultimate 64 and Windows 7, 6 GB DDR3 memory, Nvidia 285 card and can play in both full screen mode and windowed mode on both OS's. Also play WOW, EQ1, Vanguard, SWG with little or no problems. Switch back and forth between full screen and windows mode numerous times during a in game period, have had a small number of crashes but nothing set and solid. Have more issues with ACT and Ventrillo crashing on the same systems then I have with EQ2 crashing becasue of windowed mode.</p><p> I do agree, it is a combination of things that may or may not interact with unpredicately results, not just one hard issue.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

[Kerane]

<p><cite>Metaphysix wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Now I can understand that far better.</p><p>But are either of your running Quad Cores? That seems to be the case with most people in this particular sub-forum who are reporting crashes.</p><p>Headache galore trying to troubleshoot this for over a week now.</p><p>Warhammer's trial is not giving me any trouble. I'm about to cancel my subscription here, if I can't figure this out. Very few people on this forum (with this same problem) has had any real help from a TSR outside of the basic "is your computer on" type of troubleshooting.</p></blockquote><p>Nope, both of us run dual cores.</p><p>I guess there could be a problem with quad cores, Vista X64 and EQ2.</p><p>As i said, i dont think EQ2 alone is to blame.  If the game runs good on a single core, and runs good on a dual core, but runs crappy on a quad core, then it might just be the drivers for the quad core that are faulty, or maybe not fully compatable with the game.</p><p>Have you tried assigning one or 2 cores to EQ2?</p>

[Singsong]

<p>I am running a Dell XPS 630i with a Quad Core 2.4ghz dual 8800 GT 512mb cards in SLI mode with 8GB of ram and Vista x64 Ultimate and I have no issues with the game crashing. But this is just my luck with the game and my system.</p>

[Metaphysix]

<p>Ok, this makes no sense, but i think I might have it fixed now.</p><p>I had Aero off before, but now I have it off and took down multi-core support in the client. Played for an hour with no crash.</p><p>This is such a finnickey game client. Kinda feels like a jenga puzzle right now.</p><p>At least it's working for now.</p><p>If anything changes, I'll post back.</p>

[TygerMeow]

<p>If you want to mess around with it, try going into your BIOS and disabling C1E support on your processor (may have to dig around for it) then turn on mulit-CPU core support again and see if you are still crashing.</p>

[Malarcio]

<p>I have to agree, that while there are obviously problems for some people, it ceratinly isn't just the fault of EQ client alone.</p><p>I'm running a quad core.. but AMD not Intel, with Vista 64.  I'm having no problems.  My secondary account is also running on a quad core, but in vista 32 - also no problems.</p><p>I've found the problem to be driver combinations and driver settings on almost every platform I've run.  Sometimes, certain combinations of drivers just don't play well together.  Also, when it comes to drivers, sometimes 'latest' isn't 'greatest'.  Prior to upgradeing to ATI crossfire, my Nvida SLI had to be run at one particular driver revision, the latest ones conflicted with something (likely a mb driver) and it only appeared as an error in EQ2 and one of my CAD applications. I could have pointed the fingure at those two apps, but they we're not the issue -  drivers were.</p><p>Given the near limitless variations in processors, motherboards, videocards and the various drivers people use it is not uncommon to see problems that are hard to explain. You can't hold applications accountable to being able to run under every possible combination drivers and hardware - it's an unrealisitic expectation. </p><p>Lastly statement such as, 'one app runs but another doesn't', do not really indicate much of anything. Each software application access hardware in its own particular way - saying App A works so the problem must be with App B is generally wrong unless you can show that both are using the same methods of access and control.</p>