the final froniter

[eqaddictedfool]

<p>So we know all about norrath and alot about the 2 moons. What I am interested is what else is out there? Are there other planets?What galaxy is norrath in? Do the gods rule over everything thats out in space? Do they call the sun the sun? Has anyone been to space outside of luclin? Thanks ahead of time!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The sun is called Ro, after Fennin and Solusek Ro.</p><p>Not canon to EQ2's timeline, the Omens of War expansion pack in EQlive opened up a portal of Discord that took us to another planet where a dragonian race who's name I forget are being enslaved by the evil Legion of Mura Masa, who also arn't canon to our timeline. They worship Veeshan.</p><p>The Ro system consists of the planets of Norrath, Cordain, Trorsmang, and Anbeal. Only Norrath is inhabitable.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Something I've been wondering about as well, putting it in the Milky Way would be interesting, Another galaxy is too Star Wars.</span></p>

[Xalmat]

<p>It'll be awhile before gnomes have the cogs to venture into space. The Overrealm is one thing, beyond that is an entirely different beast.</p>

[ElnAckom]

<p>LOL "All these planets are yours, except Europa."</p><p>A few things on the idea of non-teleportational space travel. Ebik Wobblecog created (inadvertently) an effectively watertight submarine. The idea of a short term compressed habitable vessel is not beyond current gnomish technology, though I'd wager to say that there are significant complications when dealing with the conditions of space, but if they were able to find a mechanimagical method of making many men mobile moonward, they very well might be able to survive for a little while. Who knows, combined with some variation of "waterbreathing" spells, perhaps gnomeonauts - word copyright Sesky, all rights reserved, royalties due upon use, ROFL - are not so far-fetched.</p><p>That said, I'd be disappointed if developers started tinkering (pun intended) with offworld storylines. I think that effectively shutting the Luclin door (insofar as we are aware) was wise. There is MORE than enough ground to cover with the existing story mechanics.</p><p>Anyways, Cusa was all over the basics of the planetary system. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Hope that his responses answered your questions, OP!</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">For a Perfect 10 Cusa would have to place them in order (using Ro as the Certerpoint) and what type of planet.</span><span style="color: #00cc00;"> Including if there are any known Asteroid fields/belts, other then Luclin (For Example the Ceres Belt in the Sol System and the Oort Cloud)</span> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Hehe Just having fun with you Cusa.</span><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Actually, survival in a vacuum is not outside the realm of magical ability. There was a region on Luclin known as The Grey that existed in a complete vacuum, and using simple Enduring Breath spells one could survive in this vacuum indefinitely. Apparently the properties of Enduring Breath not only allow you to breathe underwater, and in a vacuum, they also protect you from the harsh decompression forces of being in a vacuum as well.</p><p>One wouldn't even need a survival suit, so long as magic was readily available.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Not to mention hard/Soft Radiation and thermal depletion.</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>A couple years ago, a developer gave us a little information on the other planets in the system. A couple of them have extremely light atmospheres, just like what Mars has, but it's not enough to sustain life.</p>

[eqaddictedfool]

So we can swim in lava, Kill our gods,breath under water, live on the moon. but can't live on another planet? On a side note what planet is Kuaa on if the dragorns are on another planet.

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So we can swim in lava, Kill our gods,breath under water, live on the moon. but can't live on another planet? On a side note what planet is Kuaa on if the dragorns are on another planet.</blockquote><p>Technically you could via minor magical trinkets getting clickyed every 12 hours...</p><p>...but you'd be the only living thing on the planet. Think of all the adventurers you could have battling the forces of errosion and entrophy!</p><p>Well, at least you could harvest ore in peace.</p><p>btw, before anyone mentions it why would Undead go to an un-inhabited planet? Wouldn't they do something much, much more convient and haunt the place they died at? Or at least somewhere familiar to them?</p><p>Also naturally occuring "constructs" require a source of natural magical energy. While I suppose its unknown what exactly attracts, concentrates or eminates magic energy I'm fairy certain it take the meddling or at least presence of a god for life to spontaniously come into existance. Constructs can be manufactured by various mages and priests, but the more natural ones seem to come from divine association. I seriously doubt that the other planets would have such "life" on them unless one of the gods took a great interest in visiting one of the "un-inhabitable" planets.</p><p>And as far as planetary travel...umm...we use teleportation magic to travel great distances. We would be much, much more likely to use planar travel (i.e. teleportation and portals) to visit other worlds rather than space ships...</p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So we can swim in lava, Kill our gods,breath under water, live on the moon. but can't live on another planet? On a side note what planet is Kuaa on if the dragorns are on another planet.</blockquote><p>The Dragorn live on Kuua, a planet in a system that is deeper in the Realm of Discord than Norrath (Norrath and Luclin are on the cusp between the Realm of Order and the Realm of Discord, sliding towards Discord thanks to the Discordian influences on the Time line but we've once again pushed them back at least.</p><p>And the Dragorn don't worship Veeshan, they worship Dranik (though it's a bit unclear if he was a leader, or a god).</p><p>A write up of the GoD/Omens of War story line by Ridefort is available here: <a href="http://forums.silentredemption.org/archive/index.php/t-2311.html " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.silentredemption.org/...2311.html </a> As far as I can tell, it matches the EQLive lore, other than a few details that have been revealed since then. (We now know the Riftseekers were the main movers to generate portals to other worlds, and they were working against Mata Muram to sabotage the portal to Norrath and to eventually bring about his downfall).</p><p>With Seeds of Destruction, we can also go to Kuaa during the days just before the invasion of Norrath, before the city of Dranik fell and see where the portal to Norrath will be (the Precipice of War) and the beauty of the city that was. We also end up giving those Muramites a bloody nose before they go through and give us a bloody nose when we're weaker. (Ain't time travel fun? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p>

[Rorasis]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The sun is called Ro, after Fennin and Solusek Ro.</p><p>Not canon to EQ2's timeline, the Omens of War expansion pack in EQlive opened up a portal of Discord that took us to another planet where a dragonian race who's name I forget are being enslaved by the evil Legion of Mura Masa, who also arn't canon to our timeline. They worship Veeshan.</p><p>The Ro system consists of the planets of Norrath, Cordain, Trorsmang, and Anbeal. Only Norrath is inhabitable.</p></blockquote><p>He's called Mata Muram.  Not Mura Masa.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Right. I thought it didn't sound right. I kinda blanked that Gates of Discord expansion from my mind. :p</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So we can swim in lava, Kill our gods,breath under water, live on the moon. but can't live on another planet? On a side note what planet is Kuaa on if the dragorns are on another planet.</blockquote><p>The moon we USED to be able to live on had for the most part a Norrath like Atmosphere, wich makes it very differant then the other uninhatible moon that also orbits Norrath.</p><p>Personally, I always thought Enduring breath did more then grant breath, because it also helps you survive the presure increases when you start deep diving, and we dive fairly deap.</p>

[eqaddictedfool]

<p>But in order for something to sustain an atmosphere doesnt it have to be a certain size? That would  have made the moon more liek another planet which 2 planets that close would not happen and they would both rotate around the sun instead of each other to to their gravity.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But in order for something to sustain an atmosphere doesnt it have to be a certain size? That would  have made the moon more liek another planet which 2 planets that close would not happen and they would both rotate around the sun instead of each other to to their gravity.</p></blockquote><p>It's a video game.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But in order for something to sustain an atmosphere doesnt it have to be a certain size? That would  have made the moon more liek another planet which 2 planets that close would not happen and they would both rotate around the sun instead of each other to to their gravity.</p></blockquote><p>2 planetary bodies can rotate around a point of gravitational equalibriam, and that point can then move around another body like the sun... that is in part why Pluto got downgraded, it's "Moon" and it rotate around each other, in fact the same think happens with Earth's Moon, and Earth, it is just the point of Equalibriam is very close to the earth's center of mass, as such it does not cause the earth to move much...but it is what causes tital forces.</p><p>Also, I do believe that Norrath is substacally bigger then earth, as such it can have a porporinally bigger moon in orbit around it, and that moon can be big enough to support a breathable atmosphere.</p><p>Finally, I could be wrong but wasn't the atmosphere on Lucian artifically created anyway? Granted it was created by a god... but it was still not thier by Nateral processes... so it would be like saying the Earth's Moon can't have an Atmosphere even if we placed it under a bubble.</p>

[eqaddictedfool]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But in order for something to sustain an atmosphere doesnt it have to be a certain size? That would  have made the moon more liek another planet which 2 planets that close would not happen and they would both rotate around the sun instead of each other to to their gravity.</p></blockquote><p>It's a video game.</p></blockquote><p>But isnt the point of the lore section to help tie together loose ends of who,what,where,when,and why? The fact that it would seem like luclin was not large enough to support an atmosphere would be a loose end of the lore. Can't really tie that together with the fact that its a video game.</p><p> And the whole luclins atmosphere is magic thing sounds like a <span>Midi-chlorians answer to me but then again eq does that quite abit it would seem. for a game in which everyone talks about its realisticness there certainly are alot of those types of situations where the anwser "oh its magic" seems to be thrown in. </span></p><p><span>sorry done rambeling</span></p><p><span>to the previous poster though you make a good point about norrath being larger than earth which I had not thought about. But correct me if I am wrong but arn't larger planets generally made of gas as opposed solid materials such as saturn and jupiter? But if Norrath was so much larger that inc omparison Luclin was big enough to sustain an atmosphere seems like your average adventurer would not even be able to walk without their legs needing to be treetrunks. That combined with the fact that some of those palis and what not are carrying around 500 lbs of sword at earths weight? </span></p><p><span>maybe im over analyzing it all. just maybe.</span></p>

[Xalmat]

<p>You can have <em>very</em> giant rocky planets before they start to become gaseous planets. In RL terms, it's been theorized that planets can be up to 15 times as massive as Earth and remain terrestrial (give or take).</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tisera@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But in order for something to sustain an atmosphere doesnt it have to be a certain size? That would  have made the moon more liek another planet which 2 planets that close would not happen and they would both rotate around the sun instead of each other to to their gravity.</p></blockquote><p>It's a video game.</p></blockquote><p>But isnt the point of the lore section to help tie together loose ends of who,what,where,when,and why? The fact that it would seem like luclin was not large enough to support an atmosphere would be a loose end of the lore. Can't really tie that together with the fact that its a video game.</p><p> And the whole luclins atmosphere is magic thing sounds like a <span>Midi-chlorians answer to me but then again eq does that quite abit it would seem. for a game in which everyone talks about its realisticness there certainly are alot of those types of situations where the anwser "oh its magic" seems to be thrown in. </span></p><p><span>sorry done rambeling</span></p><p><span>to the previous poster though you make a good point about norrath being larger than earth which I had not thought about. But correct me if I am wrong but arn't larger planets generally made of gas as opposed solid materials such as saturn and jupiter? But if Norrath was so much larger that inc omparison Luclin was big enough to sustain an atmosphere seems like your average adventurer would not even be able to walk without their legs needing to be treetrunks. That combined with the fact that some of those palis and what not are carrying around 500 lbs of sword at earths weight? </span></p><p><span>maybe im over analyzing it all. just maybe.</span></p></blockquote><p>The whole point of Lore is to fill in bits of the story. It has nothing to do with explaining the "science" of the game.</p><p>For all we know, there is no vaccum between the planets in EQ. Certainly if the laws of physics were the same in Norrath as they are on Earth you'd have some problems when you visit Poet's Palace or The Kingdom of Sky. Both of these locations are suppose to be very, very high up. That high up in Earth's atmosphere you'd be talking at the very least most people being short of breath and getting tired very quickly due to the thinner atmosphere. And floating rocks capable of sustaining a thriving natural population? Oh, and don't even get me started on where all the water is comming from for the rivers...</p><p>Norrath is a very magical place. Undead spontaniously create themselves in the most unlikely of places. (Qeynos sewers still inhabited by undead after throwing the necromancers out hundreds of years ago without an erratication effort? Yeah, bodies in tombs = undead speaks to me of naturally occuring. Same thing for the undead gorillas in Burning Forest from EQ1 and all kinds of unlikely spots you find undead including Thundering Stepps.) You have spontaniously occuring animated rocks. Almost everything screams magic in Norrath. Leave science behind here, just stick with the story.</p>

[ke'la]

<p>High Gravity planets just require super dence pysical structures. Life addapts. Think about it, you can get smacked by a Tail that is larger then you, and shrug it off. Heck, there are Mamals that can dive deeper then all but the most advanced ships on the planet can dive... do to water pressure, and surface without getting the Bends...</p><p>BTW, the KoS zones are so high up you can't see them from the ground... conistering thier sizes, that would be well outside the atmosphere on earth.</p><p>Finally, we are in a world that has multiple Gods, all of whom exist, and we have even killed them directly in the past. Saying a God did something is not all that far fetched... Remember they also created every race on Norrath.</p><p>Oh, one last thing... Lucian was not always visable in the night's sky... it was hidden by the god that made it Habbitable for a very long time.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>It's "Luclin", not "Lucian", Ke'la.</p><p>Just had to throw that.</p>

[Dasein]

<p>The various 'Remeberence...' books found in OoLS refer to other worlds visited by the Shadowmen, in addition to Norrath. There are some habitable worlds out there and someone has the ability to travel from those worlds to Norrath, so there is a possibility of some sort of travel between worlds.</p>

[Gukkor2]

<p>Regarding the Overrealm, it's worth remembering that those islands are the results of pieces of the Plane of Sky bleeding into Norrath's actual sky due to Veeshan's prolonged absence.  It's very possible that residual divine power keeps them habitable despite now being in conditions that would usually make that impossible.  I think the fact that the Barren Sky (which I would assume is the part of the Plane of Sky that we could explore in EQLive) is virtually unchanged in appearance despite having relocated speaks to this.  That could also explain the spontaneously generated water sources and the like.</p>