What are they trying to do to wizards!!!!(Pve and PvP

[Twinbladed]

<p>First I would like to know why whoever tested the robe of ancient terror and shiny metalic didnt make sure it actually proced!!!!</p><p>Second why do our buffs knock us in combat still??</p><p>Then my major issue why is my Raid Gear more Pvp oriented than my pvp gear? Is this a joke the freakin hat doesnt even have intel on it. If you compair the two sets then look at what you would actually need for pvp, you would chose the tso raid gear. Thats pretty backwards.</p><p>When are they gonna fix our raid dps, I know some of you guys are like im doing just fine but are you really? Why do mages have to work 20 times harder to get the dps they need? Especially when your neighborhood assassin can come in on [Removed for Content] gear an parce as high as you do with less aa's.</p><p>I feel like there trying to screw us</p>

[thajo]

<p>yeah, I am really just fine.  I can post tons of parses if you want.  Only reason I'd see TSO gear owning all over gear for pvp is the crit mit but, I don't do PvP so thats a whole different itemization issue for pvp ><.  I agree if I could send my pve wizard to a pvp server i'd be pretty well off.</p><p>Also, don't have shiny metallic but Ancient Terrors procs just fine.  I've pulled it outta my bags, hit dummies, it procs.  Not sure what the problem is, unless it's some common piece of gear I'm not wear that are giving most wizzies conflicts.</p><p>Wizzies have to work hard for dps?  I always found slamming the mob with numerous 20k+ hits wasn't too difficult.  Could be worse and be a summoner/enchanter, they gotta work way more than us.</p>

[Trilarian-2]

<p>I swap in the SMR when I don't have ideal setups for the casting speed, it procs fine.  In fact in raids, it procs often as once it is up all cast are faster but the proc rate is off the initial value.</p><p>I still have a long way to go in TSO set progression, but I can already pull off 60k BoI.  TSO has increased my DPS significantly, and I usually parse higher than our Assassin except on certain fights (I'm a bit better geared than him).  So from a middle-of-the-road raider, I think wizzies are doing just fine.  Some zones I have more issues with resist, but thats about my only complaint.</p><p>As for PVE vs PVP, I won't even act like I know what a PVP would cherish most.  However, SOE has generally stated that the value of items goes on a risk vs reward scale, so I would think something that takes 24 people to kill instead of solo or 6 would explain the better stats.  I know getting 24 people to raid on a PVP server must be hard, so I don't know what comprimises have been made.  As for PVE, wizards are fine and I enjoy playing my class.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p><cite>Dakkota@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah, I am really just fine.  I can post tons of parses if you want.  Only reason I'd see TSO gear owning all over gear for pvp is the crit mit but, I don't do PvP so thats a whole different itemization issue for pvp ><.  I agree if I could send my pve wizard to a pvp server i'd be pretty well off.</p><p>Also, don't have shiny metallic but Ancient Terrors procs just fine.  I've pulled it outta my bags, hit dummies, it procs.  Not sure what the problem is, unless it's some common piece of gear I'm not wear that are giving most wizzies conflicts.</p><p>Wizzies have to work hard for dps?  I always found slamming the mob with numerous 20k+ hits wasn't too difficult.  Could be worse and be a summoner/enchanter, they gotta work way more than us.</p></blockquote><p>Nal,you misunderstood what i mean by have to work harder, we require a higher lvl based gear to even compair to a scout in just shard gear, I know how some on a Pve server could disagree because its not as hard to get the things required to get max dps so it seems like it is effortless but im on a pvp server so getting gear is a little bit of a differant story, but to be outparced by an assassin with less aa's half t2 shard gear is a complete insult. I will admit our highest parcers are mage, but they have extremely good gear that took some time to get there hands on. While some of the other classes can rock a parce with bs gear on. The whole aspect of it does not make sence.</p><p>The only reason I would wear my pvp gear is for the crit mit being over 100%, other than that its useless. The robe of ancient terrors isnt as bugged as the metalic, but still the same on avergae that u would say it supose to proc it either double procs, or doesnt proc at all. I have beat dummies with both and i can never get the shiny metalic to proc.</p>

[Azol]

<p>I am on PVP server too and SMR procs all the time both in PVP and PVE encounters. Just look for the white swirly thing on a light-green background (I think) buff in your effects window (Alt+E). Or, better, watch your casting timers. Maybe you are already capped on casting speed (unlikely though)? Or some other piece of gear interferes with SMR procs? Could be a bug, but try also this: unequip all your gear except for SMR and try the dummy again.</p><p>As for the parse, yes, I agree that mage needs best of the best gear to compete with assassins or rangers with mediocre gear. Going back to EOF days, I had no trouble staying 1st or 2nd on T7 raid parse with average gear (sharing the parse with decently geared conjy). I do not have access to high-end raid stuff at the moment, so I really need to be on my toes to compete. If I parse more than a ranger in my group, you can bet this ranger is half-afk. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[thajo]

<p>Tbh if people are going to complain about dps, they should provide their AA specs, gear or atleast parse breakdowns.  Maybe there is a blatent red flag the user is missing that others would pick up on, or anything.</p>

[Ordunez001]

<p><cite>Dakkota@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tbh if people are going to complain about dps, they should provide their AA specs, gear or atleast parse breakdowns.  Maybe there is a blatent red flag the user is missing that others would pick up on, or anything.</p></blockquote><p>Well concidering majority have no choice but to spec a certain way to obtain high dps, I could see posting it rather useless because in the end everyone aa line will look about the same. Wizard is not like other classes AA's you get either very squishy with higher dps or more defencive with low dps, we all know what lines do which so I dont see the reasoning behind showing aa specs when im sure almost every wizard spec is VERY close.</p><p>One of my points of interest to test would be to put a Wizard with 200 aa's with a Assassin 200's, with equal spells whether is be adept 3's or all master, and I bet you plat the Assassin r@pe's the Wizards parce.</p><p>I ran a test on the Shiny Metalic Robe, with no other gear equiped, if one proced one time before i ran out of power, so i threw on gear with no procs on them, did not proc at all.</p><p>The test for the Robe of Ancient Terrors either never proced, or it does not show an icon when it does, but I tested it naked,with full gear, then with gear with no procs, it still came out with a result of no dps differance.</p>

[thajo]

<p><cite>Ordunez001 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dakkota@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tbh if people are going to complain about dps, they should provide their AA specs, gear or atleast parse breakdowns.  Maybe there is a blatent red flag the user is missing that others would pick up on, or anything.</p></blockquote><p>Well concidering majority have no choice but to spec a certain way to obtain high dps, I could see posting it rather useless because in the end everyone aa line will look about the same. Wizard is not like other classes AA's you get either very squishy with higher dps or more defencive with low dps, we all know what lines do which so I dont see the reasoning behind showing aa specs when im sure almost every wizard spec is VERY close.</p><p>One of my points of interest to test would be to put a Wizard with 200 aa's with a Assassin 200's, with equal spells whether is be adept 3's or all master, and I bet you plat the Assassin r@pe's the Wizards parce.</p><p>I ran a test on the Shiny Metalic Robe, with no other gear equiped, if one proced one time before i ran out of power, so i threw on gear with no procs on them, did not proc at all.</p><p>The test for the Robe of Ancient Terrors either never proced, or it does not show an icon when it does, but I tested it naked,with full gear, then with gear with no procs, it still came out with a result of no dps differance.</p></blockquote><p>I feel kind of like a broken record cause i'm sure i've typed this but, Cause i'd take you up on your bet <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />.  The assassin sometimes beats sorcs on single target trash, not all the time.  Sometimes the assassin loses to sorceres, and no not because the assassin sucks, all players in question are skilled.  This usually sways in favor of who has the *best* group makeup.  And usually all the stars arn't aligning for both parties, someone is getting a slightly nicer group usually for dps.  But on most these fights where you throw 3+ mobs into the mix i'm seeing sorceres owning scouts.  Rangers are highly competative on avatars/ranged boss fights (tythus, mynzak), but I'm just not seeing mages get dominated at all like what some say was happening in RoK.  Predators shouldn't beat sorceres on aoe fights, period, which encounter design alone as put us sorcs well into t1 dps, nobody can touch a sorcs all-out aoe dps.</p><p>Assassins can beat wizards but, no wizard with equal gear/group makeup should be getting <em>smashed </em>by assassins/rangers.  For the record I consider 1 - 1.5k difference in parses to be not that much, thats the most disparity I will seem to see between comparing classes, can go either way.  But outside of trash and weak names like the first few in crusader, assassins are kind of useless.  I don't get what this assassin envy is, they're not that amazing.  When they have *everything* up they can perhaps beat us on a 30s single target trash mob.  /golf clap, in the big scheme of things were on top of predators in TSO, of course this could all swing back another way if SoE makes another expansion with about 3 aoe fights in the entire content. (ie rok)</p><p>And i'll have a follow up post just a sec for your terrors robe ><.</p>

[thajo]

<p>Yeah heh, don't know what your guys problem is with Ancient Terrors Robe.  Put it on and the 2nd spell I cast got a proc'd off already.  Anyhow circled in green the proc/icon to look for...it is definetly not broken...</p><p><img src="http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr313/dakkotax/EQ2_000318.jpg" width="1023" height="611" /></p>

[Aithanarid]

<p>I playing on Naggy too, and i don't have any problems with dpsing, yeah assas are great on short fights but then ? And the main question whats your dps and from the assasin ? I can parse with following group SK, WIZ, NECRO, TROUB, FURY / TEMPLAR, ILLU up to 14k on Palace Trash, not everytime but its possible. I'm using Robe of Ancients Terror aswell and yeah the proc is often up like whitedragonscale cloak and the heritage gloves. Here one Parse from Trash in Chamber of Destiny:</p><p>a ykeshan patrol: (00:27) 3919596 | 145170.20 [Aithanarid-Manaburn-92855]Aithanarid 475148 | 17598.07Trison 306638 | 11356.96Koppar 278353 | 10309.37Oruchimaru 256646 | 9505.41Scara 246744 | 9138.67Mezzam 245116 | 9078.37Arsenia 227708 | 8433.63Johneecash 200220 | 7415.56Dorina 196284 | 7269.78Illudere 169065 | 6261.67Payge 162031 | 6001.15Lanxanis 160289 | 5936.63Renoe 155796 | 5770.22Mezyou 142889 | 5292.19Nighthawkx 141889 | 5255.15Tzameti 139426 | 5163.93Regnab 121632 | 4504.89Mervan 98709 | 3655.89Andri 69394 | 2570.15Musicman 54667 | 2024.70Curare 45104 | 1670.52Sojin 18283 | 677.15Kandrah 6240 | 231.11Nizs 1325 | 49.07</p><p>right, atm our Assasin is still sick so problem to compare but if u wanna know a good assas ask bastit from purity what she is doing for dps and how often she is ouparsed from illu, lock, wiz or swash</p><p>And Dakkota never show us your gear again <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> that makes me crying, so many nice things o m g</p>