Finally got my Mythical and.....

[Germs666]

<p>Still disappointed.  I thought My DPS would jump much higher.</p><p>Parsed my myth pet vs. the training dummy and he's only doing 1200-1400 dps? Should I bother with the pet gear upgrades or should I just focus on my spell crit/damage? (82% crit 772 spell dmg now)</p><p>For the record my master mage pet was doing 900-1000 ish DPS</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>That amount of DPS boost going from Master 1 is about normal.</p><p>Keep in mind that the Mythical is more than just boosting the pet damage. It also means your pet is much harder to kill (possess it and look at its HP), it's spells are much harder to resist (Master IV resists versus Master I resists), and not to mention the weapon itself is a huge upgrade for you.</p>

[Germs666]

<p>Well Im still only at 144AA so I dont have the 182 AA spell for the pet and my gluttony is only ad3 atm.</p><p>Still hoping the pet would deal more damage considering I ran AoB with a conji and his pet was doing 2300-2700 DPS while my master mage pet was stuck at 900.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Germs666 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well Im still only at 144AA so I dont have the 182 AA spell for the pet and my gluttony is only ad3 atm.</p><p>Still hoping the pet would deal more damage considering I ran AoB with a conji and his pet was doing 2300-2700 DPS while my master mage pet was stuck at 900.</p></blockquote><p>conj have more pet buffs their pets will always do more dmg, the way its' suppose to work is:</p><p> necro> pet</p><p>conj<pet</p><p>  but currently because of necro lifetap and dot mechanics  that's not always the case.</p>

[Carthington]

<p>Truth be told, the necro pets should be doing more damage wise than what they're doing now.  Grant it though, the Mythical pet is still the best pet we have as far as group/raid dps goes, so its not a total loss.  But due to pet issues, it shoult be stronger.</p>

[CorpseRun]

<p>Pets do a bit more damage now since the armor buffs seem to stack partially.  Some still don't do a [Removed for Content] thing like Quicksilver but crits and spell damage seem to stack now.</p><p>Flames Necros are putting up 16k zonewide parses for the doochewaffles to oogle over.  Turns out all those idiots who were crying about necro DPS were just crap players who couldn't figure out the class after all.</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>You talk alot of crap corpse, do you even know what is required of a necro to achieve a 16k ZW parse?  Most raid guilds are not gonna waste that kind of support on a necro when an assassin in the same set up would do much better.  L2p before you get on these forums and begin insulting everyone with your non informative trolling posts.  </p>

[CorpseRun]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You talk alot of crap corpse, do you even know what is required of a necro to achieve a 16k ZW parse?  Most raid guilds are not gonna waste that kind of support on a necro when an assassin in the same set up would do much better.  L2p before you get on these forums and begin insulting everyone with your non informative trolling posts.  </p></blockquote><p>It requires being in the mage group with properly geard players, teir 4 TSO fabled with a couple pieces of top tier jewelry, a choker, and either Upbeat Tempo or Time Compression.</p><p>Don't get mad and flame me just because you can't figure out how to play the class.  Necro are great DPS if you learn to play them and no you can't just put an Assassin in the mage group and get better results.  For an Assassin to parse that high or higher they also need to be in a group that speicifcally supports them with melee buffs.  They need to be repeatedly given enchanter temp damage procs, and they need to have perfect gear and timing, both from the group and from the Assassin itself.</p><p>So if you want to get down to the support required it's pretty even other than the fact that Necro need to be spot healed during LifeBurn for 10 seconds.</p><p>And if you REALLLY want to get technical Necro stomp assassin on zonewide parses that aren't merged in TSO.  All that jousting, AEing, and scripting really kills the damage output of the melee DPS and the other Mage without pets in some cases as well.</p><p>But I have no clue what I'm talking about right?  Lol</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>I can play the necro just fine - for you to be insulting people becuase we believe the class requires some utility is beyond insulting.  You have posted nothing supporting your claim that necros are just fine except "I saw a necro parse that was 16k on eq2 flames." Yippie kai aye.  I can parse well on my necro even though i rarely played him this past year or so.  W/o a mythical I can keep up with players that have myths and don't knwo their class as well as they should when I am not required to be on my tank. </p><p>Necros NEED reason to be WANTED on a raid like coercers and illys: that is a FACT it is not a flight of fancy.</p><p>Many of the things we listed in the sticky thread, the one requested by the devs on the in testing feedback thread, are issues we believe should be addressed.  If you paly a necro, which I highly doubt, you would know that while we ahve a lot ot offer we are broken in many respects with current raid mechanics.</p>

[CorpseRun]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I can play the necro just fine - for you to be insulting people becuase we believe the class requires some utility is beyond insulting.  You have posted nothing supporting your claim that necros are just fine except "I saw a necro parse that was 16k on eq2 flames." Yippie kai aye.  I can parse well on my necro even though i rarely played him this past year or so.  W/o a mythical I can keep up with players that have myths and don't knwo their class as well as they should when I am not required to be on my tank. </p><p>Necros NEED reason to be WANTED on a raid like coercers and illys: that is a FACT it is not a flight of fancy.</p><p>Many of the things we listed in the sticky thread, the one requested by the devs on the in testing feedback thread, are issues we believe should be addressed.  If you paly a necro, which I highly doubt, you would know that while we ahve a lot ot offer we are broken in many respects with current raid mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>I want 12 to 18k DPS on a raid.  Problem solved.</p><p>You admit to not even playing your Necro yet you speak like you're some kind of authority on Necro?  No one said anything about utility and yet that is your entire argument?</p><p>Everything in that useless new sticky is already listed in the old sticky or is more crying about Necro DPS.  And as has been proven countless times, Necro can DPS very well.</p><p>And I'll repeat this since you missed it.  NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT UTILITY.</p><p>So please troll some other forum.  You are a tank and you have a Necro alt you don't even play, no one cares what you think about Necro.</p>

[Germs666]

<p>I'm so tired of people saying necromancers don't need a boost because some guy on EQ2 flames had a good parse.</p><p>Well, The guy probably had, UT,PoTM, Piece of mind,tandem, + heals through lifeburn and his pet buffed.</p><p>Any coercer,illy wizard warlock or conji probably would have done BETTER with all of those buffs.</p><p>We shouldn't have to have 3-4 other classes in order to parse how assassins can with just a dirge.</p><p>Do you even play a necro buddy? Can you tell the other 95% of necros what we are doing wrong? ZW parse?</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I can play the necro just fine - for you to be insulting people becuase we believe the class requires some utility is beyond insulting.  You have posted nothing supporting your claim that necros are just fine except "I saw a necro parse that was 16k on eq2 flames." Yippie kai aye.  I can parse well on my necro even though i rarely played him this past year or so.  W/o a mythical I can keep up with players that have myths and don't knwo their class as well as they should when I am not required to be on my tank. </p><p>Necros NEED reason to be WANTED on a raid like coercers and illys: that is a FACT it is not a flight of fancy.</p><p>Many of the things we listed in the sticky thread, the one requested by the devs on the in testing feedback thread, are issues we believe should be addressed.  If you paly a necro, which I highly doubt, you would know that while we ahve a lot ot offer we are broken in many respects with current raid mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>I want 12 to 18k DPS on a raid.  Problem solved.</p><p>You admit to not even playing your Necro yet you speak like you're some kind of authority on Necro?  No one said anything about utility and yet that is your entire argument?</p><p>Everything in that useless new sticky is already listed in the old sticky or is more crying about Necro DPS.  And as has been proven countless times, Necro can DPS very well.</p><p>And I'll repeat this since you missed it.  NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT UTILITY.</p><p>So please troll some other forum.  You are a tank and you have a Necro alt you don't even play, no one cares what you think about Necro.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I am a necro and have been a necro since eq1 beta and eq2 beta here.  I am also a [Removed for Content] fine necro.  I put my necro aside becuase our guild MT had a work schedule issue and have been tanking since.  So, to be more clear, I have shelved real game play time into my necro but I remain close to the necro community.  You on the other hand are an unknown rabble rouser that has done nothing in the 20 posts you posted the last day or so but lambast others.  Either put up a post citing what should be fixed, tweaked, or remain the same, OR take issue with anothers post and offer a counter solution.  Drop the any necro can parse 16k crap in avatar gear. </p><p>Also, I claim foul on you seeing a necro in legendary gear w/o a mythical parsing 10k zw.  Maybe on a training dummy or on a lvl 20 grey con mob but no where else.  I do not even think a alt necro so craptastically geared out holding an AFK spot in the best avatar clearing guild would parse that high with all the extra buffage on him in a super stacked grp.  With a mythical - sure easy. </p>

[CorpseRun]

<p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p></blockquote><p>   lol..  ok xil   i guess you're back to talk your garbage.    necro dps is doing much better now but they are still getting blown out of the watter by other mages if those other mages recive the same buffs and dont suck.   </p><p> your post do nothing constructive for the class, your post are trolls to irritate poeple, your post are garbage!</p><p>  please, please, please stop posting Xil no one here cares what you have to say.   people who play necros know what the class can do BUT that does not mean that there aren't BROKEN mechanics associated with the class.</p><p>You don't have a clue</p>

[Tsunai]

<p>The bickering needs to stop here. Agree to disagree and stop attacking eachother for having differing points of view.</p><p>This is obviously an important topic to many given the impassioned responses so let's try to keep it as constructive as possible so it's not locked. This goes for other topics here as well. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Happy posting!</p>

[Germs666]

<p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p></blockquote><p>If you are referring to Utopi I hope you also read that he is a raid leader and he gets all of the raid buffs (which I'm sure includes his pet) You can't compare those parses to what 99.9% of other necros are doing in groups/instances/raids.</p><p>You can't be serious when you think THAT many people just need to "L2P". Our DPS is lacking. You can ask any raid guild leader why nobody wants necros. You can also type /lfg and see a necro or 3-4 sitting there collecting dust.</p><p>The necro class right now is underpowered.  It's not just necromancers who are saying that.</p>

[Enoa]

<p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p></blockquote><p>Charm of Inny, Charm of Bertox and trickster wrist aren't avatar gear?  Wow,  where is the merchant i can buy those from? </p>

[Enoa]

<p><cite>Germs666 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p></blockquote><p>If you are referring to Utopi I hope you also read that he is a raid leader and he gets all of the raid buffs (which I'm sure includes his pet) You can't compare those parses to what 99.9% of other necros are doing in groups/instances/raids.</p></blockquote><p>No but you can compare to the 20k that Sorcerers and 16k that chanters are doing with similar gear and setup.  Given necros have less utility than even sorcerers it's hard to say necromancer dps warrants a raid spot.   It would take ALOT of utility as a gift from SOE to make a summoner competative with another chanter on a raid... just saying.   Hmm perhaps summoners could use a little boost in dps AND utility?</p>

[firza]

<p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CorpseRun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say without a Mythical?  Nope.  Don't add your own commentary to what I say and maybe it will make more sense, and that Necro paring 16k zonewides isn't wearing avatar gear.  Just TSO teir 4.</p><p>BTW what I said was Necro need "NOTHING BUT UTILITY" because Necro DPS is fine already.  But people tend to gloss over the details when all they want to do is troll and flame.</p></blockquote><p>  necro dps is doing much better now but they are still getting blown out of the watter by other mages if those other mages recive the same buffs and dont suck.   </p></blockquote><p>Isn't it so that necro dps is around where it should be on the ladder, but that some other mage classes are a tad out of whack?(not saying anything about the lack of utility you would expect from a class that should not totally dependent on its dps)</p><p>When I play my lil alt I hardly ever meet people who beat me by much (only lvl 60 with ad1's, and not saying this means anything for end game)</p>

[Sharezer]

<p>I have a Mythical Necro and a Mythical Assassin. Playing the Necro is soooo depressing. Back in the good old days of KoS my raid DPS was always in the top 3 or 4 players on the parse. Now I hate to even play him. The dps just isn't there. Something needs done for Necros.</p><p>Assassins are just fine as they are. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>