Betrayed ranger, quick assasin aa tree question [Archive]

imnotdisco

04-01-2009, 04:38 PM

I just betrayed to assasin, from a lv 80 ranger, my question is i am some what limited on aa, (97) i have filled out the same trees i used as a ranger in the kos aa tree. My question is tha assasin tree, i have 27 aas left out of my 97, i have the kos tree full . Which tree would be most beneficial to take first on the assasin tree? I have enough for one full line(27 free). as far as what i will be doing, it is pve, and tso/rok instances and guild grouping, no raidin unless its lower lv raiding such as eof/kos content, otherwise no raiding. Im just looking at bumping up my dps.Any help with this would be great, btw i have read the aa posts on the assasin boards, i understand where i need to be aa wise there, but i only have 27 aa to start with until i get more. So advice for which tree in assasin that would be the most beneficial to take first. Was pondering frontload or repeated strikes first.p.s where can i get haste items that stack,(currently at 47 haste self buffed minus temp buff) any suggestions? I do not raid, so instance items would be my only option.

Lethe5683

04-03-2009, 11:44 AM

The improved defensive stance is a must... IMO.

Noxtherion

04-03-2009, 12:43 PM

I would take repeated stabbings first. And then grind out the aa to get frontload as fast as possible. as for the haste thing. Get the shard gloves and then call it good. Haste items do not stack. You can stack + attack speed items which do basicly the same thing, but I have never found haste/+attack speed to be a big enough deal to really look for items with that effect. Melee Crit, double attack, and even spell crit(poison's and procs) all seem to have a bigger impact on my dps.I personally disagree with taking improved defensive stance. But I almost never solo and only use defensive stance when the tank just can not hold agro.

imnotdisco

04-03-2009, 06:17 PM

I went for repeated strikes, and spent the left over in the front load tree. I appreciate the advice, i have the shard gear, full set, but dang my delay just looks horrid compared to when i was a ranger lol. Thanks again for the advice!safe journies all

Lethe5683

04-05-2009, 09:50 PM

<cite>Noxtherion wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would take repeated stabbings first. And then grind out the aa to get frontload as fast as possible. as for the haste thing. Get the shard gloves and then call it good. Haste items do not stack. You can stack + attack speed items which do basicly the same thing, but I have never found haste/+attack speed to be a big enough deal to really look for items with that effect. Melee Crit, double attack, and even spell crit(poison's and procs) all seem to have a bigger impact on my dps.I personally disagree with taking improved defensive stance. But I almost never solo and only use defensive stance when the tank just can not hold agro.</blockquote>Offensive stance is nearly worthless except in raids. An insignificant amount of accuracy and mediocre proc just doesn't make up for all the avoidance and mitigation you loose.

Armironhead

04-06-2009, 12:20 PM

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noxtherion wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would take repeated stabbings first. And then grind out the aa to get frontload as fast as possible. as for the haste thing. Get the shard gloves and then call it good. Haste items do not stack. You can stack + attack speed items which do basicly the same thing, but I have never found haste/+attack speed to be a big enough deal to really look for items with that effect. Melee Crit, double attack, and even spell crit(poison's and procs) all seem to have a bigger impact on my dps.I personally disagree with taking improved defensive stance. But I almost never solo and only use defensive stance when the tank just can not hold agro.</blockquote>Offensive stance is nearly worthless except in raids. An insignificant amount of accuracy and mediocre proc just doesn't make up for all the avoidance and mitigation you loose.</blockquote>this is why you have the mirror - cheap and easy to get. You got your raid aa and then your everyday/pvp aa. I always run in def stance normally but then again i'm on a pvp server.

Lethe5683

04-10-2009, 06:29 AM

<cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noxtherion wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would take repeated stabbings first. And then grind out the aa to get frontload as fast as possible. as for the haste thing. Get the shard gloves and then call it good. Haste items do not stack. You can stack + attack speed items which do basicly the same thing, but I have never found haste/+attack speed to be a big enough deal to really look for items with that effect. Melee Crit, double attack, and even spell crit(poison's and procs) all seem to have a bigger impact on my dps.I personally disagree with taking improved defensive stance. But I almost never solo and only use defensive stance when the tank just can not hold agro.</blockquote>Offensive stance is nearly worthless except in raids. An insignificant amount of accuracy and mediocre proc just doesn't make up for all the avoidance and mitigation you loose.</blockquote>this is why you have the mirror - cheap and easy to get. You got your raid aa and then your everyday/pvp aa. I always run in def stance normally but then again i'm on a pvp server. </blockquote>I have a mirror for raid specs but that still includes enhanced defensive stance. If I fight trash in offensive and pull hate then I usually die, it's not worth dieing for a nearly immeseaurable amount of DPS increase, since I usually have around 500 piercing in defensive anyways and the proc on offensive is stupid.

Chondrichtheyia

04-27-2009, 11:12 PM

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noxtherion wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would take repeated stabbings first. And then grind out the aa to get frontload as fast as possible. as for the haste thing. Get the shard gloves and then call it good. Haste items do not stack. You can stack + attack speed items which do basicly the same thing, but I have never found haste/+attack speed to be a big enough deal to really look for items with that effect. Melee Crit, double attack, and even spell crit(poison's and procs) all seem to have a bigger impact on my dps.I personally disagree with taking improved defensive stance. But I almost never solo and only use defensive stance when the tank just can not hold agro.</blockquote>Offensive stance is nearly worthless except in raids. An insignificant amount of accuracy and mediocre proc just doesn't make up for all the avoidance and mitigation you loose.</blockquote>this is why you have the mirror - cheap and easy to get. You got your raid aa and then your everyday/pvp aa. I always run in def stance normally but then again i'm on a pvp server. </blockquote>I have a mirror for raid specs but that still includes enhanced defensive stance. If I fight trash in offensive and pull hate then I usually die, it's not worth dieing for a nearly immeseaurable amount of DPS increase, since I usually have around 500 piercing in defensive anyways and the proc on offensive is stupid.</blockquote>Let me get this right: in raids/instances you fight in DEFENSIVE stance because you don't want to pull aggro and you think the dmg proc on our Offensive stance is stupid? If this is true, I think you completely misunderstand your role as an assassin...

Lethe5683

04-28-2009, 01:12 AM

<cite>Leandrin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let me get this right: in raids/instances you fight in DEFENSIVE stance because you don't want to pull aggro and you think the dmg proc on our Offensive stance is stupid? If this is true, I think you completely misunderstand your role as an assassin...</blockquote>No, it's so when I pull aggro I don't die. And the proc is insignificant especially compared to how much dieing would reduce DPS.

Aaramis

04-28-2009, 10:18 AM

Lethe - do you use Ignorant Bliss poison when grouping/raiding? I've rarely had problems in O-stance when using Hemo + Ignorant Bliss (solo = Vitality + Stupefying), unless the tank is lazy and isn't taunting as much as he/she should (usually in group situations) - in which case all the threat reduction in the world won't help if you've just backstabbed for 10k dmg. So I do see your point, and I've been in that situation before (many a time, actually) - but if you use the right poisons, use your threat reduction abilities, and watch the new "aggro ball" thingie, you should be able to stay under the aggro line.OP - FWIW, if you solo, I've found the Physicality line to be amazing. D-stance, honed reflexes, deadly focus, exacting, and whatever racial +dps boost you might have as well - it gets sick. Nothing short of an ^^^ heroic stands a chance, really.For grouping/raiding, you'll want the other lines (take your pick - Frontload and Repeated Stabbings seem to be the most common choice). As others have said, pick up an AA mirror if you haven't already.

Kokus

04-28-2009, 10:38 AM

Those points spent on enhancing defensive would of been better spent enhancing ignorant bliss in my opinion.

Aaramis

04-28-2009, 11:21 AM

<cite>Elvanshalee@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Those points spent on enhancing defensive would of been better spent enhancing ignorant bliss in my opinion.</blockquote>Well, it all depends on what one plans to do with his/her Assassin, really. As I mostly solo, the physicality line (and d-stance improvements) is invaluable.But if you're going for Frontload, chances are you'll be picking up the Ignorant Bliss improvement AA anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lethe5683

04-29-2009, 10:17 AM

<cite>Elvanshalee@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Those points spent on enhancing defensive would of been better spent enhancing ignorant bliss in my opinion.</blockquote>I'm not going to waste perfectly usefull AAs in order to draw an insignificantly lower amount of hate. Avoidance is very important to me.

gdawg311

05-08-2009, 08:48 AM

If i ever saw an assassin on a raid using def stance i would /guildremove instantly.If you r pulling aggro either get a new tank, learn to play ur assassin better or find a new guild

Lethe5683

05-08-2009, 09:50 AM

<cite>gdawg311 wrote:</cite><blockquote>If i ever saw an assassin on a raid using def stance i would /guildremove instantly.If you r pulling aggro either get a new tank, learn to play ur assassin better or find a new guild</blockquote>Your logic is almost as bad as your grammar ***hole.

Aaramis

05-08-2009, 01:11 PM

*Grammar* <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gaige

05-08-2009, 02:45 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have a mirror for raid specs but that still includes enhanced defensive stance. If I fight trash in offensive and pull hate then I usually die, it's not worth dieing for a nearly immeseaurable amount of DPS increase, since I usually have around 500 piercing in defensive anyways and the proc on offensive is stupid.</blockquote>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA.

Aaramis

05-08-2009, 04:28 PM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have a mirror for raid specs but that still includes enhanced defensive stance. If I fight trash in offensive and pull hate then I usually die, it's not worth dieing for a nearly immeseaurable amount of DPS increase, since I usually have around 500 piercing in defensive anyways and the proc on offensive is stupid.</blockquote>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA.</blockquote>^^ Misquoted btw. Lethe wrote that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lethe5683

05-10-2009, 07:18 PM

Gaige

05-10-2009, 08:46 PM

Any assassin who specs into defensive stance and actually uses it in raids is not doing their job.

Lethe5683

05-10-2009, 09:01 PM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any assassin who specs into defensive stance and actually uses it in raids is not doing their job.</blockquote>Not true at all. The offensive stance does not significantly incrase DPS. It is only a mediocre proc and the weapon skills don't matter since I have > 500 in defensive.

Carthr

05-20-2009, 12:26 PM

I usually wear a shield, and go in def stance in raid.... Also use tank food..RAWR!!

Huntress Jellica

05-20-2009, 02:12 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any assassin who specs into defensive stance and actually uses it in raids is not doing their job.</blockquote>Not true at all. The offensive stance does not significantly incrase DPS. It is only a mediocre proc and the weapon skills don't matter since I have > 500 in defensive.</blockquote>Granted, I'm no expert on assassins, but if the offensive stance proc is anything like a ranger's it will be making up about 5-7% of your zonewide DPS. That is not an insignificant amount.. and even if it doesn't do that much zonewide, you are an ASSASSIN. You are there to KILL things.. if your tank can't hold aggro, find a new tank. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />This thread made me lol. An assassin in defensive... /snicker. Defensive is only useful for training through a bunch of trash mobs.

Brimestar

05-20-2009, 03:43 PM

If you take an assn in D stance vs an assn in O stance, the O stance assn will do more DPS (considering all other variables are the same)....DPS is damage per second....In defensive stance you are not procing any damage....In offensive stance you are....

Gaige

05-20-2009, 03:58 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The offensive stance does not significantly incrase DPS. It is only a mediocre proc and the weapon skills don't matter since I have > 500 in defensive.</blockquote>Um, the offensive stance procs damage and ups hit-rate. That is anything but mediocre for a damage dealing class. You should reroll to a tank imo.

Lethe5683

05-20-2009, 09:57 PM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The offensive stance does not significantly incrase DPS. It is only a mediocre proc and the weapon skills don't matter since I have > 500 in defensive.</blockquote>Um, the offensive stance procs damage and ups hit-rate. That is anything but mediocre for a damage dealing class. You should reroll to a tank imo.</blockquote>It procs a very low amount of damage and does not really affect hit rates since my offensive skills are already over 520 in defensive.I already have a "tank".

Lethe5683

05-20-2009, 09:57 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you take an assn in D stance vs an assn in O stance, the O stance assn will do more DPS (considering all other variables are the same)....DPS is damage per second....In defensive stance you are not procing any damage....In offensive stance you are....</blockquote>1% dps does not matter.

Brimestar

05-20-2009, 11:08 PM

If you're at 100 and Im at 101, I win....

Zin`Car

05-26-2009, 03:20 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>gdawg311 wrote:</cite><blockquote>If i ever saw an assassin on a raid using def stance i would /guildremove instantly.If you r pulling aggro either get a new tank, learn to play ur assassin better or find a new guild</blockquote>Your logic is almost as bad as your grammar ***hole.</blockquote>wow, you swear at him and then ridicule his grammar...YOUR logic about offensive and defensive is so horribly wrong, you've surpassed FAIL... completely. If your tank can't keep agro off of you... your tank sucks. Period. If you cant tell a difference in your performance between o-stance and d-stance then you are no better. Period.

Lethe5683

05-27-2009, 03:16 AM

<cite>Luinne@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>gdawg311 wrote:</cite><blockquote>If i ever saw an assassin on a raid using def stance i would /guildremove instantly.If you r pulling aggro either get a new tank, learn to play ur assassin better or find a new guild</blockquote>Your logic is almost as bad as your grammar ***hole.</blockquote>wow, you swear at him and then ridicule his grammar...YOUR logic about offensive and defensive is so horribly wrong, you've surpassed FAIL... completely. If your tank can't keep agro off of you... your tank sucks. Period. If you cant tell a difference in your performance between o-stance and d-stance then you are no better. Period.</blockquote>You're either completly parse obsessed like the poster before you or jsut stupid if you think offensive stance is very significant to DPS. It's one relatively weak proc that is not even 1% of your DPS.

Brimestar

05-27-2009, 04:16 PM

Have you actually looked at a parse before let alone know how to read it? Try it sometime and see what % of your overall damage being in O stance will give you in a raid....Or hell....an instance for that matter.

Gaige

05-27-2009, 04:19 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're either completly parse obsessed like the poster before you or jsut stupid if you think offensive stance is very significant to DPS. It's one relatively weak proc that is not even 1% of your DPS.</blockquote>Um, offensive stance is between 1 and 2% of most predators ext zw. Not using offensive stance is like not using damage poisons. You're talking anywhere from 150 to 300 ext dps for an assassin and even more for a ranger.As for being "parse obsessed" -- um, yes? All predators should be parsed obsessed. Damage is all we do. If we don't parse well, we're useless to any group or raid.

Lethe5683

05-27-2009, 06:36 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Have you actually looked at a parse before let alone know how to read it? Try it sometime and see what % of your overall damage being in O stance will give you in a raid....Or hell....an instance for that matter.</blockquote>Yes I have looked at plenty of parses and in any group or raid the % difference is around 1-3% which is insignificant.<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're either completly parse obsessed like the poster before you or jsut stupid if you think offensive stance is very significant to DPS. It's one relatively weak proc that is not even 1% of your DPS.</blockquote>Um, offensive stance is between 1 and 2% of most predators ext zw. Not using offensive stance is like not using damage poisons. You're talking anywhere from 150 to 300 ext dps for an assassin and even more for a ranger.As for being "parse obsessed" -- um, yes? All predators should be parsed obsessed. Damage is all we do. If we don't parse well, we're useless to any group or raid.</blockquote>Not useing offensive stance is NOTHING like not using poisons. Poisons are more than 10x as important as that weak proc.Parse obsessed as in careing if you do 1% more or less DPS is rediculous. Without the parse it would be impossible to notice the difference even if your entire raid did 1% less DPS.Predators do not do nothing but damage unless they suck. In groups I significantly debuff the mobs and often save the tanks life.

Brimestar

05-27-2009, 07:02 PM

Its actually like around 6% of your overall damage...Regardless 1% or 6% if I'm ahead of you by that much...I'm better DPS than you. And I lol'd at you saving the tank....I'm sure its the healers that do that, and if they don't you're in some jacked up grps.

Lethe5683

05-27-2009, 07:07 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its actually like around 6% of your overall damage...Regardless 1% or 6% if I'm ahead of you by that much...I'm better DPS than you. And I lol'd at you saving the tank....I'm sure its the healers that do that, and if they don't you're in some jacked up grps.</blockquote>Not everyone goes around with a group of mythical raidersd in heroic zones.. And 6% [Removed for Content]? The highest mine has ever been is 3%. And who gives a [Removed for Content] if your 3% better DPS than me?

Gaige

05-27-2009, 11:11 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote> And who gives a [Removed for Content] if your 3% better DPS than me?</blockquote>People who play to win.

Lethe5683

05-27-2009, 11:29 PM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote> And who gives a [Removed for Content] if your 3% better DPS than me?</blockquote>People who play to win.</blockquote>Play to win the [Removed for Content] contest? If it matters that much for you to top a parse than I seriously feel sorry for you.

Gaige

05-27-2009, 11:34 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Play to win the [Removed for Content] contest? If it matters that much for you to top a parse than I seriously feel sorry for you.</blockquote>I meant winning encounters. People who play to progress their character. People who are driven to succeed. People who don't think predators debuff so much that they save tanks. People who play predators and realize offensive stance equals more damage and more damage is all that matters as a predator.

Lethe5683

05-28-2009, 05:36 AM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Play to win the [Removed for Content] contest? If it matters that much for you to top a parse than I seriously feel sorry for you.</blockquote>I meant winning encounters. People who play to progress their character. People who are driven to succeed. People who don't think predators debuff so much that they save tanks. People who play predators and realize offensive stance equals more damage and more damage is all that matters as a predator.</blockquote>The only situation in which predators only matter for their DPS is raids and even then it's not completly true. If all you are capable of is DPS than fine but that's just you. But I will be doing anything and everything I can to help reguardless of if it does DPS or not.

Gaige

05-28-2009, 03:35 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only situation in which predators only matter for their DPS is raids and even then it's not completly true. If all you are capable of is DPS than fine but that's just you. But I will be doing anything and everything I can to help reguardless of if it does DPS or not.</blockquote>...I've played both predator classes extensively and all we do that matters AT ALL is DPS. I suppose assassins hate transfer fits in there but it isn't needed on raids and is barely useful in groups since mobs die so fast.I mean you don't have any worthwhile buffs, debuffs or utility. There is nothing you can do to be useful other than the most DPS you can possible do every encounter.

Lethe5683

05-29-2009, 01:38 AM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only situation in which predators only matter for their DPS is raids and even then it's not completly true. If all you are capable of is DPS than fine but that's just you. But I will be doing anything and everything I can to help reguardless of if it does DPS or not.</blockquote>...I've played both predator classes extensively and all we do that matters AT ALL is DPS. I suppose assassins hate transfer fits in there but it isn't needed on raids and is barely useful in groups since mobs die so fast.I mean you don't have any worthwhile buffs, debuffs or utility. There is nothing you can do to be useful other than the most DPS you can possible do every encounter.</blockquote>You've been raiding so long you seem to forget what a real group is like. I'm not going to bother argueing with you anymore but you have clearly lost whatever slight versitality you may have had at one time.

Brimestar

05-29-2009, 01:03 PM

Don't mind Whiskers everyone...He is one of those ppl that thinks everyone should get a trophy....Ride the pine much?

Remann

05-29-2009, 01:44 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Play to win the [Removed for Content] contest? If it matters that much for you to top a parse than I seriously feel sorry for you.</blockquote>I meant winning encounters. People who play to progress their character. People who are driven to succeed. People who don't think predators debuff so much that they save tanks. People who play predators and realize offensive stance equals more damage and more damage is all that matters as a predator.</blockquote>The only situation in which predators only matter for their DPS is raids and even then it's not completly true. If all you are capable of is DPS than fine but that's just you. But I will be doing anything and everything I can to help reguardless of if it does DPS or not.</blockquote>My god.. You need a real tank and healers. If your running defensive for instances and raids, they must really suck. If I pull aggro that's my fault. I don't even have the defensive stance on my hotbar. Solo, Grouped or Raid, dps.. dps.. dps... Winning is the game (encounters). You should be ashamed to even call yourself an assassin.

Lethe5683

05-29-2009, 02:08 PM

<cite>Remann wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Play to win the [Removed for Content] contest? If it matters that much for you to top a parse than I seriously feel sorry for you.</blockquote>I meant winning encounters. People who play to progress their character. People who are driven to succeed. People who don't think predators debuff so much that they save tanks. People who play predators and realize offensive stance equals more damage and more damage is all that matters as a predator.</blockquote>The only situation in which predators only matter for their DPS is raids and even then it's not completly true. If all you are capable of is DPS than fine but that's just you. But I will be doing anything and everything I can to help reguardless of if it does DPS or not.</blockquote>My god.. You need a real tank and healers. If your running defensive for instances and raids, they must really suck. If I pull aggro that's my fault. I don't even have the defensive stance on my hotbar. Solo, Grouped or Raid, dps.. dps.. dps... Winning is the game (encounters). You should be ashamed to even call yourself an assassin.</blockquote>This is getting kind of rediculous how exaggerated what I said is being made by everyone. First all I had said was that I put 5 AA into the defensive stance since I like to have it for situations when I need it. I didn't say "whenever I raid and group I'm always in defensive!". I love seeing assassins like you die when they pull aggro, it makes my day seriously. If I get aggro I can quickly click a button and go from crap survivability to 3/4 as good as the tank. Ashamed to call myself an assassin? Well if what you consider and assassin to be is a glass cannon that can't understand anything but DPS than yes I would be very ashamed to call myself an assassin.

Brimestar

05-30-2009, 01:35 PM

you know what, i have those same 5 points too.....but i reside on a pvp server where i pvp in defensive stance (but I won't say why dont you roll an assn on a pvp server)...and I too have the ability to tank certain places when I'm with the healers I play with and we can take certain instances with me tanking like Deep Forge....But the whole point that you were brining up that our O stance has no effect on DPS....You sir are very wrong.

Lethe5683

05-30-2009, 11:58 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>you know what, i have those same 5 points too.....but i reside on a pvp server where i pvp in defensive stance (but I won't say why dont you roll an assn on a pvp server)...and I too have the ability to tank certain places when I'm with the healers I play with and we can take certain instances with me tanking like Deep Forge....But the whole point that you were brining up that our O stance has no effect on DPS....You sir are very wrong.</blockquote>Where did I say that? I said it has no significant effect on DPS, which is completly opinion as 3%ish DPS is completly insignificant to me in most situations. And it's not like those 5 AA could be spent on anything else that would make a large difference since at that point you pretty much have to spend the last 5-10 AAs on mediocre abilities.

Gaige

05-31-2009, 12:27 AM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where did I say that? I said it has no significant effect on DPS, which is completly opinion as 3%ish DPS is completly insignificant to me in most situations. </blockquote>Any assassin that thinks 3% of your overall dps is insignificant should stop playing DPS classes.

Lethe5683

06-01-2009, 10:04 PM

<cite>Gage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where did I say that? I said it has no significant effect on DPS, which is completly opinion as 3%ish DPS is completly insignificant to me in most situations. </blockquote>Any assassin that thinks 3% of your overall dps is insignificant should stop playing DPS classes.</blockquote>Quit it with your self righteous opinions as they are garbage and mean nothing to me.

Gaige

06-01-2009, 10:29 PM

<cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quit it with your self righteous opinions as they are garbage and mean nothing to me.</blockquote>Truth hurts.

Kaeth

07-27-2009, 05:26 AM

lol just lolso following your logic, getting a mere +30 ca damage adorn is insignificant as well....<3 Gageoops, didnt look at date stamp...necro <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Eriis

08-14-2009, 02:26 PM

Sorry about the necro post, but i feel this was neccessary (?) to post.Akodia, i know each classes role due to playing practically every class in the game ,er-go, i know what each class should be doing.The tank should be holding agro, and stopping it from getting to anyone else.The priest should be keeping the tank, and any other group member who happens to take damage, alive.The mage performs crowd control and DPS.The scout performs only DPS, but larger than the previous 3.Under no circumanstances can i see you, as an assassin needing to be in defensive stance, nor can i see you having the oppertunity to 'save the tank', that is unless of course you happen to get in a lucky 2 second stun, giving the priest the chance to heal, but most heroic/raid mobs are immune, so that's rare.You, as an assassin in groups, should under no circumstances be in defensive stance.. you may think that the damage you drop is a very low, inconsiderable amount, but THAT could mean life or death, being in defensive stance says to me that you're a coin [Removed for Content], and that you do not want to run up a repair bill, you should be in offensive ALL the time, in both raid and group set-ups, if the tanks not able to stop agro going onto you, get a better tank, if a priest can't keep the tank up, get a better priest.Put it like this.If your popping 40% DPS in defensive.And another assassin is popping 45% DPS in offencive, who do you think the group would pick?I know who i'd pick, do you?

Lleren

08-16-2009, 07:12 PM

meh, a dead predator does no dps. If in the situations he mostly plays in he sometimes feels the need to play in defensive stance to survive pulling aggro off of his tanks, then that is the situation he is in. DPS is what we bring to a group, but if we're pulling aggro off of the tank, demanding the tank play harder better faster stronger when that tank may not even know how to is sorta silly. Sometimes any dps class, has to tone down thier output to be able to play nice with others. Playing nice with others is not part of everyones plan.