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Calthine

03-23-2009, 09:40 PM

This was a great dev chat. Thanks to all the Developers and Community people who came, and the awesome questions from all the players! We're sending the questions we didn't get to along in hopes of getting more answered.Meanwhile, here's the logs. As I post this they're un-prettified, but I didn't think y'all wanted to wait until I fed the kids dinner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><a href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/Dev_Chat_Mar_23_2009" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/Dev_...hat_Mar_23_2009</a>

Spyderbite

03-23-2009, 09:57 PM

Definitely the best Dev Chat to date.. where else can you get quotes like this?!Raven: Is it true that Rick Astley will assuming the role of Antonia Bayle in the next 3 expansions? What does Heather Graham have to say about this?!Froech: Am I too old? Who in the world is Rick Astley?GlipSOE: Rest assured, we're never going to give her up, let her down, run around or desert her.XD

Calthine

03-23-2009, 10:49 PM

Now with formatting! Thanks to Sutures for responding to my cry of "I can haz cheezeburger?"

ke'la

03-24-2009, 01:44 AM

You allowed TWO [Rick Astley] questions through how dare you! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />I like the answer to the first one better though.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

Calthine

03-24-2009, 01:51 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>You allowed TWO [Rick Astley] questions through how dare you!</blockquote>I always promise the devs will see every question submitted!

Snowdonia

03-24-2009, 04:42 AM

Ok, ATTENTION ALL DEVS!! If Rothgar dresses up as Dr. Manhattan for Halloween, you lot BETTER takes LOADS of pictures and post them!Inquiring minds, NEED to know!!

Thunderthyze

03-24-2009, 07:27 AM

It's a shame no-one bothered to ask when NT flags are going to be removed from t8 loot drops (as opposed to quest rewards) so that level 80s can have something to spend their plat on other than masters and twinking alts.

Thunderthyze

03-24-2009, 07:29 AM

But then I suppose questions about superheros and Rick You-know-who are far more important and relevant to the game.

Calthine

03-24-2009, 12:57 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a shame no-one bothered to ask when NT flags are going to be removed from t8 loot drops (as opposed to quest rewards) so that level 80s can have something to spend their plat on other than masters and twinking alts.</blockquote>Alas, no one submitted that question. Be sure to ask it at the next dev chat, or maybe add it to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=445061" target="_blank">Dev Q&A Thread</a>!We had about a dozen questions we didn't get to, and we've sent them to Kiara in hopes of getting them answered too.

Thunderthyze

03-24-2009, 07:14 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a shame no-one bothered to ask when NT flags are going to be removed from t8 loot drops (as opposed to quest rewards) so that level 80s can have something to spend their plat on other than masters and twinking alts.</blockquote>Alas, no one submitted that question. Be sure to ask it at the next dev chat, or maybe add it to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=445061" target="_blank">Dev Q&A Thread</a>!We had about a dozen questions we didn't get to, and we've sent them to Kiara in hopes of getting them answered too.</blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people". Although on a positive note I'm glad to see there were no questions about bakery products this time. Honestly, next time I would prefer to see questions asked about the game rather than "If the panel were a tree, what tree would that be, and why?".

ke'la

03-24-2009, 07:31 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>You allowed TWO [Rick Astley] questions through how dare you!</blockquote>I always promise the devs will see every question submitted!</blockquote>So it's all the devs fault... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

03-24-2009, 07:36 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a shame no-one bothered to ask when NT flags are going to be removed from t8 loot drops (as opposed to quest rewards) so that level 80s can have something to spend their plat on other than masters and twinking alts.</blockquote>Alas, no one submitted that question. Be sure to ask it at the next dev chat, or maybe add it to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=445061" target="_blank">Dev Q&A Thread</a>!We had about a dozen questions we didn't get to, and we've sent them to Kiara in hopes of getting them answered too.</blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people". Although on a positive note I'm glad to see there were no questions about bakery products this time. Honestly, next time I would prefer to see questions asked about the game rather than "If the panel were a tree, what tree would that be, and why?".</blockquote>I could be wrong but I believe the questions are asked in the order reseived, by Cal and Zam, so maybe ask the question earlier next time.

Spyderbite

03-24-2009, 07:45 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people".</blockquote>I think you need to stop thinking of SOE as the local computer club and more like a corporation. Your expectations and disappointments will be drastically reduced.

Deson

03-24-2009, 08:00 PM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people".</blockquote>I think you need to stop thinking of SOE as the local computer club and more like a corporation. Your expectations and disappointments will be drastically reduced.</blockquote>So I should expect neither the people you work for nor SOE to be worth a crap and that SOE and its enablers are only in it to screw me out of money. Nice.

dawy

03-24-2009, 08:03 PM

Sorry to say but the so called "funnies" at the end spoiled the dev chat for me,i thought we'd gotten away from that sort of nonsense.

Calthine

03-24-2009, 08:12 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people". Although on a positive note I'm glad to see there were no questions about bakery products this time. Honestly, next time I would prefer to see questions asked about the game rather than "If the panel were a tree, what tree would that be, and why?".</blockquote>Apparently you choose to overlook the 23 game or dev communication themed questions in the chat (and I'm not counting the first Rick Astley question or the Expansion question). I will not be held accountable for not asking a question no one submitted, and frankly you can take your implications on a long walk off a short pier.The developers attending see every question submitted. Some can't be answered if the appropriate dev isn't there. Some are on topics that aren't cleared to be discussed publicly yet. Deal with it.The last two questions were pure fluff, sure, but they were also submitted by registered subscribers (or maybe they weren't subscribers, for all I know). They were also asked after the normal hour spent on the dev chat, making them dessert, sorta <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Devs gotta have fun too! I suggest you get a sense of humor.

Spyderbite

03-24-2009, 08:18 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will not be held accountable for not asking a question no one submitted</blockquote>Just to add to this a tad. I was there taking live questions from players. If you couldn't make the chat to submit a question, nor had any time two weeks in advance to submit a question, then there really isn't any room to complain.In fact, a couple of people went out of their way to send people to the live chat to submit questions on their behalf.

Calthine

03-24-2009, 08:20 PM

<cite>dawy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry to say but the so called "funnies" at the end spoiled the dev chat for me,i thought we'd gotten away from that sort of nonsense.</blockquote>I know some folks don't care for it. That's why it was after the hour alloted for the actual chat.

Katanalla

03-24-2009, 08:49 PM

I submitted filler questons, I knew they'd pick atleast one [Removed for Content].

Vlahkmaak

03-24-2009, 10:00 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a shame no-one bothered to ask when NT flags are going to be removed from t8 loot drops (as opposed to quest rewards) so that level 80s can have something to spend their plat on other than masters and twinking alts.</blockquote>Alas, no one submitted that question. Be sure to ask it at the next dev chat, or maybe add it to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=445061" target="_blank">Dev Q&A Thread</a>!We had about a dozen questions we didn't get to, and we've sent them to Kiara in hopes of getting them answered too.</blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people". Although on a positive note I'm glad to see there were no questions about bakery products this time. Honestly, next time I would prefer to see questions asked about the game rather than "If the panel were a tree, what tree would that be, and why?".</blockquote>I bet you don't vote and complain about the outcome too right? Next time ask the question yourself instead of waiting on someone else to ask the question for you. B east lord s are a very legitamate topic becuase many of us were EQ1 players and loved the class and absolutely HATE that it was not incorporated into this game. I honestly did not even expect any BL question to get answered so I tadded the forum conspiracy flair into the question for kicks and giggles.I know I have been playing since eq2 beta - graphically love the game but miss the depth and breadth of eq1. together ahve 10+ years on these 2 games. Technically eq2 is still the better game out on the market which is why many of us stay but WE MISS SOME OF THE OLD THINGS very mcuh - Ricky boy A amongst them. On my necro I MISS deadman floating and invulnerability and true fear kiting, and a few other goodies. As far as NO TRADE goes I do not know what the devs answer will be but I would HATE to see No Trade labels stripped off many items. Many of us don't bust our but clearing content so plat buyers can sit back and wear the items we legitametly wear. If you want them - go get them.

dawy

03-24-2009, 10:20 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dawy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry to say but the so called "funnies" at the end spoiled the dev chat for me,i thought we'd gotten away from that sort of nonsense.</blockquote>I know some folks don't care for it. That's why it was after the hour alloted for the actual chat.</blockquote>It was a good chat IMO,but and this is just me,that sort of stuff just detracts away from it

Galithdor

03-25-2009, 02:27 AM

<cite>dawy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dawy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry to say but the so called "funnies" at the end spoiled the dev chat for me,i thought we'd gotten away from that sort of nonsense.</blockquote>I know some folks don't care for it. That's why it was after the hour alloted for the actual chat.</blockquote>It was a good chat IMO,but and this is just me,that sort of stuff just detracts away from it</blockquote>It was at the end...in time and on the log...so i dont see how it could distract people...seeing as it was a funny thing to close the chat...I feel for you guys...

Calthine

03-25-2009, 03:33 AM

No, I can see how the fluff questions bug some folks. We're probably not doing away with them, 'cause lots of other folks enjoy it, but we do strive for more real content than giggles.At least we didn't ask "Cake or Pie!"

wullailhuit

03-25-2009, 03:46 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, I can see how the fluff questions bug some folks. We're probably not doing away with them, 'cause lots of other folks enjoy it, but we do strive for more real content than giggles.At least we didn't ask "Cake or Pie!"</blockquote>Pffttt....that would have been a waste of a question , everyone already knows it's PIE.

Galithdor

03-25-2009, 04:17 AM

<cite>wullailhuit wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, I can see how the fluff questions bug some folks. We're probably not doing away with them, 'cause lots of other folks enjoy it, but we do strive for more real content than giggles.At least we didn't ask "Cake or Pie!"</blockquote>Pffttt....that would have been a waste of a question , everyone already knows it's PIE.</blockquote>Exactly! Cake is a lie...but thats a war for another threadCalthine...trust me...it shows you guys are more human to end with a joke...serious questions all the way CAN mean its a serious thing but...jokes make the world go 'round!

Thunderthyze

03-25-2009, 05:09 AM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm. Registered subscribers submitted legitimate, relevant questions about the game, but the chat mods preferred to waste time with inanities. No wonder SOE treat us like a bunch of "intellectually challenged people".</blockquote>I think you need to stop thinking of SOE as the local computer club and more like a corporation. Your expectations and disappointments will be drastically reduced.</blockquote>Sorry, mate but I DO run my own professional accountancy firm and if a client came in the door and started asking ME what superhero I prefer I know what I would think of them. Conversely, I can quite see how such a question could be discussed between a bunch of drunk geeks at the local pc club. Unfortunately, if this IS a club then we, the players, are severely disenfranchised among our "peers".Seriously, if you want to talk about these things with your pals then leave it out of the official "minutes" as it is entirely irrelevant to the game and snubs your collective noses at those who submitted legitimate questions.

Calthine

03-25-2009, 12:39 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, if you want to talk about these things with your pals then leave it out of the official "minutes" as it is entirely irrelevant to the game and snubs your collective noses at those who submitted legitimate questions.</blockquote>All questions were presented to SOE. No one was snubbed.Oh, wait, you didn't submit a question, did you.

Deson

03-25-2009, 12:43 PM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will not be held accountable for not asking a question no one submitted</blockquote>Just to add to this a tad. I was there taking live questions from players. If you couldn't make the chat to submit a question, nor had any time two weeks in advance to submit a question, then there really isn't any room to complain.In fact, a couple of people went out of their way to send people to the live chat to submit questions on their behalf.</blockquote>Calthine had the better response and your reply ignores that not everyone has the same resources--especially time. People work, not all questions get asked or even answered and unless you're a boards hawk intently looking in this mostly fluff area, you can easily miss these posts. The only reason I knew it was happening was because it showed on the dev tracker when Kiara posted.They need to ban you from posting, seriously. It's like you consciously seek to undermine your peers, employer and SOE even while you speak on their "behalf". Your earlier response to the legit, if confrontational statement about how questions are chosen and your constant "SOE IS ALWAYS RIGHT" hostile boosting, do everyone a disservice. You may mean well and be sincere but your actions are just plain ill thought when you represent your company and by extension, SOE. Let Calthine do all the talking in your official threads or stick to fluff posts.<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, if you want to talk about these things with your pals then leave it out of the official "minutes" as it is entirely irrelevant to the game and snubs your collective noses at those who submitted legitimate questions.</blockquote>All questions were presented to SOE. No one was snubbed.Oh, wait, you didn't submit a question, did you.</blockquote>Careful, don't be like your partner.

feldon30

03-25-2009, 12:43 PM

Sorry to see the direction this thread is going.My answer would be if you want better questions, submit better questions. But EQ2 devs see the questions in advance (unless you ask them during the chat session) and so have right of first refusal. Also, Aeralik was not there, so class balance questions were not even brought up. I will say I am disappointed that only part of my question was posted. The entire backstory to my question was left out and so I think the devs didn't really know what I meant.------------------<div>With the T1, T2, and now T3 (x2 raid) void shard armor, the RoK Thuuga quest (Neck for Scouts, Ring for Casters and Priests), The Shadow Odyssey Signature quest, and Epic Weapons, there are now a number of equipment slots which have de facto "best possible items":</div><div><ul><li>Head (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Chest (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Shoulders (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Gloves (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Legs (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Feet (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Neck (Thuuga reward for Scouts)</li><li>Ring (Thuuga reward for Casters/Healers)</li><li>Epic Weapon</li></ul></div><div>There are only so many slots left that EQ2 devs can design items for. We saw Charms go from being mostly Hex Dolls and a very few rare items to a lot of fantastic choices. We got a huge infusion of Cloaks in TSO. But eventually we'll be back to where there are "best items" and there will be little that SoE can tempt us with to replace them.</div><div></div><div>The examples that come to mind are Dark Mail Gauntlets and Shiny Metallic Robe. These come from interesting Heritage Quests, and I really do appreciate the effort that the devs put into the questlines, but how many people are going to give up T2 or T3 Void Shard Armor to wear these? In both cases, it is the Proc or special effect we want rather than the actual item.</div><div></div><div>Now I brought this issue up in the Zam chat after the devchat and the response was "these are items from EQ1, that is why they are heritage quest items". OK, but should they really be obsolete as soon as someone has enough shards for T2? That was <1 month after expansion launch for some people. I would like to see some way to upgrade these items to have their cool procs/effects AND have stats equivalent to the T2 armor. Considering both of these quests require significant grouping I don't see how it would be out of balance.</div><div></div><div>And in the future, I would really like to see adornments or augments as quest item rewards. What I think a lot of people forget is that in eq1, the rewards for shards were mostly adornments, not a de facto set of armor for each class. Again, not complaining, just saying that by enhancing the adornment system (and hopefully providing a SOLVENT system which removes the adornment and flags it NO TRADE) would greatly increase SoE's options for item development.</div>

Calthine

03-25-2009, 12:51 PM

<cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite><blockquote>My answer would be if you want better questions, submit better questions. But EQ2 devs see the questions in advance (unless you ask them during the chat session) and so have right of first refusal.</blockquote>Actually, we didn't send them in advance; we didn't have a pile of advance questions this time. The first time they saw them was at the chat <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Iamken

03-25-2009, 02:33 PM

It seems like it was a nice chat to me. I'm glad everyone including the devs were having fun. It is a game...and you are supposed to have fun playing and discussing the game.If you want a question answered you should attend the live chat.

Spyderbite

03-25-2009, 02:51 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, I can see how the fluff questions bug some folks. We're probably not doing away with them, 'cause lots of other folks enjoy it, but we do strive for more real content than giggles.</blockquote>I would be forced to claim Hostile Work Environment if they took the "funny" out of anything we did. After all, I do put "F" and "U" back in to FUN! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kiara

03-25-2009, 03:42 PM

Guys. I realize that not everyone agrees with everything that happens at a dev chat.Everyone has different priorities and we do our best to answer as many questions as we can.If a particular dev needed to answer a question isn't present, we will pass on that as we don't want to give out incomplete or even misleading information.We try to have a bit of fun with our players to show that we're all real people. I know that is frustrating for some, but please try to understand that it helps us to connect with our community and be reminded why we do what we do.Please stop attacking each other over this. At the end of the day, if a question doesn't get answered, it's because we chose not to. Not because the folks at Zam don't ask it. The reasons we deny a question are many and are usually that we either can't talk about it yet or the people who really can answer it well aren't present to do so.This last dev chat went better than any previous on every level.The next one, I'll make sure that I set up the announcements both in-game and on EQ2players and everywhere else ahead of time. I apologize again for failing to do so for this one.Please continue to submit questions for the chats and stay tuned as we work on ways to improve these for everyone.Thank you.

Jesdyr

03-25-2009, 03:44 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please stop attacking each other over this. </blockquote>And you call yourself a dark elf .....

Kiara

03-25-2009, 03:46 PM

<cite>Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please stop attacking each other over this. </blockquote>And you call yourself a dark elf .....</blockquote>LOL! * hands Jes her dark elf card *

Deson

03-25-2009, 04:16 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>Guys. I realize that not everyone agrees with everything that happens at a dev chat.Everyone has different priorities and we do our best to answer as many questions as we can.If a particular dev needed to answer a question isn't present, we will pass on that as we don't want to give out incomplete or even misleading information.We try to have a bit of fun with our players to show that we're all real people. I know that is frustrating for some, but please try to understand that it helps us to connect with our community and be reminded why we do what we do.Please stop attacking each other over this. At the end of the day, if a question doesn't get answered, it's because we chose not to. Not because the folks at Zam don't ask it. The reasons we deny a question are many and are usually that we either can't talk about it yet or the people who really can answer it well aren't present to do so.This last dev chat went better than any previous on every level.The next one, I'll make sure that I set up the announcements both in-game and on EQ2players and everywhere else ahead of time. I apologize again for failing to do so for this one.Please continue to submit questions for the chats and stay tuned as we work on ways to improve these for everyone.Thank you.</blockquote>Don't worry yourself over this one. It was a good an informative chat without being deathly serious. It's not an official SOE announcement, it's a community event and as such, someone is always going to have a problem. The added announcements will be nice but don't feel like you screwed up.Best improvement I can see is a round up of questions not asked and placing "can't answer", "can't answer at this time", "we'll look into it" and such. I'd actually like to see your own question of the month feature changed but I'm not quite how to articulate what I want at this time. For certian I'd like some form of question continuity as opposed to searching of Q&A's long past.

Kiara

03-25-2009, 04:23 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't worry yourself over this one. It was a good an informative chat without being deathly serious. It's not an official SOE announcement, it's a community event and as such, someone is always going to have a problem. The added announcements will be nice but don't feel like you screwed up.Best improvement I can see is a round up of questions not asked and placing "can't answer", "can't answer at this time", "we'll look into it" and such. I'd actually like to see your own question of the month feature changed but I'm not quite how to articulate what I want at this time. For certian I'd like some form of question continuity as opposed to searching of Q&A's long past.</blockquote>That is some interesting commentary on the Q&A thread and if you can come up with something, I'm quite willing to think on it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I'm considering the possibility of a compilation stickie to link to all the answers threads, the way we do the GU summary thread. Would that be beneficial to everyone?And thank you for the feedback on the dev chat. We'll continue to work to improve them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Deson

03-25-2009, 04:49 PM

Compilation sticky would be a definite good start. My concern for the questions though go back to an issue had with EQ when they did something similar for class issues. Tons of good questions get asked all the time and out of that, 10 get answered and the rest are either repeated or forgotten. For EQ, the class issues list was pretty much yes no with no clarification and you had no idea where that issue stood and if you should drop it or keep pressing. I understand that if you're answering questions all the time you're not working but at the same time, many of those issues had to have been debated by the dev team at some point so it's not like it's a brand new issue to think on. I want to ask for the questions to be put on a more rolling list but I can see how much a pain that can be so I'm trying to think up another way to ask for a list to be made in such a way that I don't feel obligated as a customer to keep spamming the same question in hopes I get lucky and you don't feel obligated to keep up with an infinite request list.

Rijacki

03-25-2009, 05:14 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't worry yourself over this one. It was a good an informative chat without being deathly serious. It's not an official SOE announcement, it's a community event and as such, someone is always going to have a problem. The added announcements will be nice but don't feel like you screwed up.Best improvement I can see is a round up of questions not asked and placing "can't answer", "can't answer at this time", "we'll look into it" and such. I'd actually like to see your own question of the month feature changed but I'm not quite how to articulate what I want at this time. For certian I'd like some form of question continuity as opposed to searching of Q&A's long past.</blockquote>That is some interesting commentary on the Q&A thread and if you can come up with something, I'm quite willing to think on it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />I'm considering the possibility of a compilation stickie to link to all the answers threads, the way we do the GU summary thread. Would that be beneficial to everyone?And thank you for the feedback on the dev chat. We'll continue to work to improve them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>One thing you could do, though it would take a bit of work, is have the Q&A part (without the commentary after) posted to EQ2Players directly (i.e. not a link to the forums).Then a link on menu for "Dev Q&A / Dev chats" with links by date to each (Zam Dev chats as well as other dev chats and dev profiles by name).AND, a page for submitting a question directly there without needing to post on the forums (here or wherever). Being able to post a question 'anonymously' would also give people an opportunity to post a question without getting flamed on the board (and yes, people have flamed others for their questions).It would be nice if all of the questions submitted for the monthly were acknowledged, even the ones which can't be answered or are skipped at the time. A simple listing of them after the ones answered would suffice with an indicator, "answer unavailable at this time", "answer given in [link]", "answer deferred at this time due to time constraints", etc.It would be great to have such a list for the Zam or other dev chats, too.That would also be a good way to explode the conspiracy theories about thus and so questions always being skipped.

Dreyco

03-25-2009, 06:24 PM

I honestly participated and thought it was a great time with some good information <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. My questions weren't even picked! But there was still some good stuff offered that caught my attention real quick. (See: New Good City!)

Jesdyr

03-25-2009, 06:30 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL! * hands Jes her dark elf card *</blockquote>I am selling this tonight on Unrest ... I really wonder how much plat I can get for Kiara's Dark Elf card ..

Calthine

03-25-2009, 06:55 PM

That's all some excellent feedback. I'm taking notes. Y'all would really like to hear about the questions that were passed on? That can probably be arranged.For the record, all the dev chats Allakhazam has done since they put the "Sr." in front of my "CM" are archived here: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/category%3Aeq2_dev_chats" target="_blank">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/cate...3Aeq2_dev_chats</a><blockquote>AND, a page for submitting a question directly there without needing to post on the forums (here or wherever). Being able to post a question 'anonymously' would also give people an opportunity to post a question without getting flamed on the board (and yes, people have flamed others for their questions).</blockquote>As for Zam dev chats, we've discussed a submission form over at Zam; unfortunately our devs have had bigger priorities. Anyone is welcome to submit questions anonymously via email, or tell our Question Taker (usually Spyder) that you'd like to be anonymous.

Naughtesn

03-25-2009, 07:24 PM

I attended and submitted 2 questions - one was definitely Aeralik's world and the other was passed on regarding itemization (although Fyre kinda anwered my question with his last minute addition to his answer early in the chat). I was a little dissapointed in the substance of the answers - a lot of "we'll look into it"'s, "not at this time"'s and such.But could this forum really be anything else? I can't envision any substantial news about the core mechanics of the game being released here, and likewise, nor could I envision a new position on a controversial topic being discussed either. I think that mistake has been made in the past. So keeping that in context (that is, adjusting one's expectations), the dev chat was a success. Humanizing the people behind the game is productive, imo. I recommend attending one in the future - and you never know, some truly substantial information may come from it. And no more Rick-Rolling please!PS A list of passed-on questions would be informative!

Kiara

03-25-2009, 07:32 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>One thing you could do, though it would take a bit of work, is have the Q&A part (without the commentary after) posted to EQ2Players directly (i.e. not a link to the forums).Then a link on menu for "Dev Q&A / Dev chats" with links by date to each (Zam Dev chats as well as other dev chats and dev profiles by name).AND, a page for submitting a question directly there without needing to post on the forums (here or wherever). Being able to post a question 'anonymously' would also give people an opportunity to post a question without getting flamed on the board (and yes, people have flamed others for their questions).It would be nice if all of the questions submitted for the monthly were acknowledged, even the ones which can't be answered or are skipped at the time. A simple listing of them after the ones answered would suffice with an indicator, "answer unavailable at this time", "answer given in [link]", "answer deferred at this time due to time constraints", etc.It would be great to have such a list for the Zam or other dev chats, too.That would also be a good way to explode the conspiracy theories about thus and so questions always being skipped.</blockquote>Ooooh! I like that idea. I'll add that to my list of things to do and see what I can do to make it happen.

Dreyco

03-25-2009, 07:49 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>One thing you could do, though it would take a bit of work, is have the Q&A part (without the commentary after) posted to EQ2Players directly (i.e. not a link to the forums).Then a link on menu for "Dev Q&A / Dev chats" with links by date to each (Zam Dev chats as well as other dev chats and dev profiles by name).AND, a page for submitting a question directly there without needing to post on the forums (here or wherever). Being able to post a question 'anonymously' would also give people an opportunity to post a question without getting flamed on the board (and yes, people have flamed others for their questions).It would be nice if all of the questions submitted for the monthly were acknowledged, even the ones which can't be answered or are skipped at the time. A simple listing of them after the ones answered would suffice with an indicator, "answer unavailable at this time", "answer given in [link]", "answer deferred at this time due to time constraints", etc.It would be great to have such a list for the Zam or other dev chats, too.That would also be a good way to explode the conspiracy theories about thus and so questions always being skipped.</blockquote>Ooooh! I like that idea. I'll add that to my list of things to do and see what I can do to make it happen.</blockquote>The only thing I would say is that: Having an open forum location to post questions already seems to be happening! IT's called the Dev QA Thread! I like how the Dev Chats are more intimate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Spyderbite

03-25-2009, 08:09 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm trying to think up another way to ask for a list to be made in such a way that I don't feel obligated as a customer to keep spamming the same question in hopes I get lucky</blockquote>Oh my gooses! As the Chief Cook, Bottle Washer & Question Taker.. I am begging you not to do that! I already hold the world's record for the most open IRC message windows during a Developer Chat! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Calthine

03-25-2009, 08:19 PM

Since when do you wash dishes??

Rijacki

03-25-2009, 09:28 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Since when do you wash dishes??</blockquote>He doesn't. He washes Bottles.<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh my gooses! As the Chief Cook, Bottle Washer & Question Taker..</blockquote>

Spyderbite

03-25-2009, 11:47 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Since when do you wash dishes??</blockquote>I keep the ZAM kitchen spotless. /nods

Noaani

03-26-2009, 02:07 AM

<cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite><blockquote>With the T1, T2, and now T3 (x2 raid) void shard armor, the RoK Thuuga quest (Neck for Scouts, Ring for Casters and Priests), The Shadow Odyssey Signature quest, and Epic Weapons, there are now a number of equipment slots which have de facto "best possible items":<div><ul><li>Head (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Chest (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Shoulders (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Gloves (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Legs (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Feet (T1/T2/T3)</li><li>Neck (Thuuga reward for Scouts)</li><li>Ring (Thuuga reward for Casters/Healers)</li><li>Epic Weapon</li></ul></div><div>There are only so many slots left that EQ2 devs can design items for. We saw Charms go from being mostly Hex Dolls and a very few rare items to a lot of fantastic choices. We got a huge infusion of Cloaks in TSO. But eventually we'll be back to where there are "best items" and there will be little that SoE can tempt us with to replace them.</div><div></div><div>The examples that come to mind are Dark Mail Gauntlets and Shiny Metallic Robe. These come from interesting Heritage Quests, and I really do appreciate the effort that the devs put into the questlines, but how many people are going to give up T2 or T3 Void Shard Armor to wear these? In both cases, it is the Proc or special effect we want rather than the actual item.</div><div></div><div>Now I brought this issue up in the Zam chat after the devchat and the response was "these are items from EQ1, that is why they are heritage quest items". OK, but should they really be obsolete as soon as someone has enough shards for T2? That was <1 month after expansion launch for some people. I would like to see some way to upgrade these items to have their cool procs/effects AND have stats equivalent to the T2 armor. Considering both of these quests require significant grouping I don't see how it would be out of balance.</div><div></div><div>And in the future, I would really like to see adornments or augments as quest item rewards. What I think a lot of people forget is that in eq1, the rewards for shards were mostly adornments, not a de facto set of armor for each class. Again, not complaining, just saying that by enhancing the adornment system (and hopefully providing a SOLVENT system which removes the adornment and flags it NO TRADE) would greatly increase SoE's options for item development.</div></blockquote>While parts of this are true, the basics behind what you are trying to say are not.I'll start off with the healer Thuuga ring. Its a PoS in the purist defination of the term.The following is a list of links for items that are all better than it for a non raiding healer:aITEM 1490589978 -1742141756:Bergo's Dirty Wristlet/aaITEM 2043634222 -237532485:Gift to the Queen/aaITEM 1419598323 1490659360:Reed Ring/aaITEM 1101492386 457636894:Tent Grommet/aaITEM 1303441830 402584417:Band of Earth Mending/aaITEM 733583127 1356004522:Totem of the Ankexfen/aaITEM 1380103958 -1516652950:Rusting Ring/aaITEM -1781626382 -1628180742:Bejeweled Eyeball Ring/aThats the first 8 I came across, and there are probably a half dozen more. Of these items, 2 of them are able to be placed in the wrist slot in addition to ring, and 1 in the earring slot. Rather than disqualify thse items from be replacements for the Thuuga reward, this now means that if you have access to these items (2 rare drops, and a collection reward) then you need to have items that are not better than the Thuuga reward in those slots as well, something that is unlikely.The same can be said for all of your list, with the exception of most slots for shard armour, as there is no real non raid replacment/upgrade from having the 6 set bonus (something that is intended it would seem).While not all fabled epics get an upgrade, some definatly do. Some fabled epics were not even upgrades to T7 heroic instance drops (wizard epic vs Crystalized Wand of Plasma).The last point to make though, reguardless of how items are obtained, there will always be a single best item avalible for each slot, for each playstyle. The only thing shard armour does differently is that it places 6 of those items in one spot.

feldon30

03-26-2009, 10:26 AM

So I guess that means you don't want procs and special effects as adornments. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

03-26-2009, 11:35 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will not be held accountable for not asking a question no one submitted</blockquote>Just to add to this a tad. I was there taking live questions from players. If you couldn't make the chat to submit a question, nor had any time two weeks in advance to submit a question, then there really isn't any room to complain.In fact, a couple of people went out of their way to send people to the live chat to submit questions on their behalf.</blockquote>Calthine had the better response and your reply ignores that not everyone has the same resources--especially time. People work, not all questions get asked or even answered and unless you're a boards hawk intently looking in this mostly fluff area, you can easily miss these posts. The only reason I knew it was happening was because it showed on the dev tracker when Kiara posted.They need to ban you from posting, seriously. It's like you consciously seek to undermine your peers, employer and SOE even while you speak on their "behalf". Your earlier response to the legit, if confrontational statement about how questions are chosen and your constant "SOE IS ALWAYS RIGHT" hostile boosting, do everyone a disservice. You may mean well and be sincere but your actions are just plain ill thought when you represent your company and by extension, SOE. Let Calthine do all the talking in your official threads or stick to fluff posts.You had TWO WEEKS to get your questions sumited, if in TWO WEEKS you can't take 1 minute or less to SEND AN EMAIL, then maybe your life is alittle too bussy and you need to relax some... cause going full speed durring every waking hour is not healthy. <cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, if you want to talk about these things with your pals then leave it out of the official "minutes" as it is entirely irrelevant to the game and snubs your collective noses at those who submitted legitimate questions.</blockquote>All questions were presented to SOE. No one was snubbed.Oh, wait, you didn't submit a question, did you.</blockquote>Careful, don't be like your partner.So stating the pointing out that the person who is saying that they where snubbed because "thier" pet question was not asked, didn't infact ask a question, is not an attack of any kind it is just pointing out that the person maybe should look at themselfs for the reason "thier" question was not asked, befor blaming others.</blockquote>

ke'la

03-26-2009, 11:39 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't worry yourself over this one. It was a good an informative chat without being deathly serious. It's not an official SOE announcement, it's a community event and as such, someone is always going to have a problem. The added announcements will be nice but don't feel like you screwed up.Best improvement I can see is a round up of questions not asked and placing "can't answer", "can't answer at this time", "we'll look into it" and such. I'd actually like to see your own question of the month feature changed but I'm not quite how to articulate what I want at this time. For certian I'd like some form of question continuity as opposed to searching of Q&A's long past.</blockquote>That is some interesting commentary on the Q&A thread and if you can come up with something, I'm quite willing to think on it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />I'm considering the possibility of a compilation stickie to link to all the answers threads, the way we do the GU summary thread. Would that be beneficial to everyone?YES!!!And thank you for the feedback on the dev chat. We'll continue to work to improve them <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>

ke'la

03-26-2009, 11:42 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>As for Zam dev chats, we've discussed a submission form over at Zam; unfortunately our devs have had bigger priorities. </blockquote>Come on all they are doing is revamping the entire Zam domain for every game zam supports... that can't take much time can it? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

Thunderthyze

03-27-2009, 08:04 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>So stating the pointing out that the person who is saying that they where snubbed because "thier" pet question was not asked, didn't infact ask a question, is not an attack of any kind it is just pointing out that the person maybe should look at themselfs for the reason "thier" question was not asked, befor blaming others.</blockquote>The last time I attempted to address these comments by Calthine and Spyder my post was "moderated". I hope that you are able to read this before it too is deleted.My criticism was of the Zam mods who decided to incorporate two "fluff" questions into the published "dev chat" while they openly admitted there were over a dozen legitimate questions they didn't have time to ask. Because I had no way of knowing what those questions were I used the issue of NT flags as an example question that "could" have been asked. It is NOT my pet question, and I was NOT whining about not getting my question asked because, as has been pointed out, I did NOT submit a question.I'm sorry if you believe that one can only complain if one has been personally "snubbed" (as you put it). I was merely standing up for the disenfranchised in making my view heard without verbally attacking individuals. Unfortunately this stance was not reciprocated by others.

Thunderthyze

03-27-2009, 08:08 AM

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, I can see how the fluff questions bug some folks. We're probably not doing away with them, 'cause lots of other folks enjoy it, but we do strive for more real content than giggles.</blockquote>I would be forced to claim Hostile Work Environment if they took the "funny" out of anything we did. After all, I do put "F" and "U" back in to FUN! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>How this particular post escaped moderation defies belief.

Rashaak

03-27-2009, 08:22 AM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>One thing you could do, though it would take a bit of work, is have the Q&A part (without the commentary after) posted to EQ2Players directly (i.e. not a link to the forums).Then a link on menu for "Dev Q&A / Dev chats" with links by date to each (Zam Dev chats as well as other dev chats and dev profiles by name).AND, a page for submitting a question directly there without needing to post on the forums (here or wherever). Being able to post a question 'anonymously' would also give people an opportunity to post a question without getting flamed on the board (and yes, people have flamed others for their questions).It would be nice if all of the questions submitted for the monthly were acknowledged, even the ones which can't be answered or are skipped at the time. A simple listing of them after the ones answered would suffice with an indicator, "answer unavailable at this time", "answer given in [link]", "answer deferred at this time due to time constraints", etc.It would be great to have such a list for the Zam or other dev chats, too.That would also be a good way to explode the conspiracy theories about thus and so questions always being skipped.</blockquote>Ooooh! I like that idea. I'll add that to my list of things to do and see what I can do to make it happen.</blockquote>The only thing I would say is that: Having an open forum location to post questions already seems to be happening! IT's called the Dev QA Thread! I like how the Dev Chats are more intimate <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I'd say make a F.A.Q. of questions that have been answered, but keep getting asked.Such questions like that one class from EQ that will never be in EQ2 but people keep asking about, but I do not want to mention the class name because all the followers and cults associated with this class will come out of the woodwork and start commenting on it. Then this thread will be lost to the depths of that class debate and why/how it can be implemented and will be compleletly ignored after which will make it difficult to filter through actual info from the dev chat because all of a sudden that class name got spoken which is why I don't want to mention that class that keeps getting asked about that won't be in EQ2 but is all the rage in EQ. *takes a deep breath*Anyways...frequently asked questions should be linked in the Q&A starter thread so people can look at that before asking their question. They may find the answer their looking for and don't end up feelig snubbed. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Calthine

03-27-2009, 12:48 PM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd say make a F.A.Q. of questions that have been answered, but keep getting asked.</blockquote>Let's see... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><ul><li>There are no plans to add armor dyes to the game.</li><li>Rick Astleys will be added when all 24 classes are perfectly ballanced.</li><li>There are no plans to change the mechanics so that characters can sit and lie down.</li><li>The skeletal revamp wasn't working and has been canceled in favor of snap-ons allowing on to furthor customize one's appearance.</li></ul>

Rashaak

03-27-2009, 03:34 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd say make a F.A.Q. of questions that have been answered, but keep getting asked.</blockquote>Let's see... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /><ul><li>There are no plans to add armor dyes to the game.</li><li>Rick Astleys will be added when all 24 classes are perfectly ballanced.</li><li>There are no plans to change the mechanics so that characters can sit and lie down.</li><li>The skeletal revamp wasn't working and has been canceled in favor of snap-ons allowing on to furthor customize one's appearance.</li><li>Calthine is not an employee of SoE, but an employee of Zam, therefore any rants about her Dev Chats will do no good in the grand scheme of things</li></ul></blockquote>Fixed<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Calthine

03-27-2009, 04:02 PM

*snort*I *am*, however, taking notes, as there's been real feedback instead of just the usual complaining. And Kiara and I have been discussing the possiblity of a different format now and then. (Shh, I probably wasn't supposed to say that).

ke'la

03-27-2009, 07:58 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>So stating the pointing out that the person who is saying that they where snubbed because "thier" pet question was not asked, didn't infact ask a question, is not an attack of any kind it is just pointing out that the person maybe should look at themselfs for the reason "thier" question was not asked, befor blaming others.</blockquote>The last time I attempted to address these comments by Calthine and Spyder my post was "moderated". I hope that you are able to read this before it too is deleted.My criticism was of the Zam mods who decided to incorporate two "fluff" questions into the published "dev chat" while they openly admitted there were over a dozen legitimate questions they didn't have time to ask. Because I had no way of knowing what those questions were I used the issue of NT flags as an example question that "could" have been asked. It is NOT my pet question, and I was NOT whining about not getting my question asked because, as has been pointed out, I did NOT submit a question.I'm sorry if you believe that one can only complain if one has been personally "snubbed" (as you put it). I was merely standing up for the disenfranchised in making my view heard without verbally attacking individuals. Unfortunately this stance was not reciprocated by others.</blockquote>Your post was "moderated" because it directly attacked people, wich is against forum rules, this one doesn't so it won'tThat said again the "Press Conferance" was 60 mins long after wich it was over and the devs could have just said good bye and signed off, it was AFTER IT WAS OVER that those questions where asked, so in other words even if those questions where never asked, the same 12 questions would have been in your words "snubbed".To put it another way, this week Pres. Obama held a press conferance, and like any good polition he got the questions ahead of time, so that he accually could answer them. That press conferance was scheduled for a specific period of time. If he happened to get long winded in one of his answers and therefor could not get to a few at the end that where sumited does that mean those reporters where snubbed or does it mean that they just ran out of time. BTW, you are aware that these dev chats happen after the normal workday for those devs that attend right? That is part of the reason for a specific amount of time alloted for questions.