over 600 Parry avoidance gets lower??

[thial]

<p>last night I was messing around maxing my crt mit out and I noticed I had 1500 avoidence 79.4% and my parry skill was 591...I pop unyielding vigilance on my healer and my avoidence droped to 14XX / 79.3 and my parry skill was 60X. Has anyone else noticed this before? I have screen shots there just not on this comp I'll post them later if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about. I know the diffrence is nothing it's just why did the overall avoid go down yet the skill went up??</p>

[habby2]

<p><cite>Jdark@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>last night I was messing around maxing my crt mit out and I noticed I had 1500 avoidence 79.4% and my parry skill was 591...I pop unyielding vigilance on my healer and my avoidence droped to 14XX / 79.3 and my parry skill was 60X. Has anyone else noticed this before? I have screen shots there just not on this comp I'll post them later if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about. I know the diffrence is nothing it's just why did the overall avoid go down yet the skill went up??</p></blockquote><p>Was there someone else who had an avoidance buff on you that unyielding vigilence cancelled?  It used to be that those never showed up on our avoidance, but they are now.</p>

[Windowlicker]

<p>Hopefully this isn't tied into the "fixed" bug which resulted in skills actually becoming lower once you pass the hard cap.</p>

[thial]

<p><cite>Glacier@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jdark@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>last night I was messing around maxing my crt mit out and I noticed I had 1500 avoidence 79.4% and my parry skill was 591...I pop unyielding vigilance on my healer and my avoidence droped to 14XX / 79.3 and my parry skill was 60X. Has anyone else noticed this before? I have screen shots there just not on this comp I'll post them later if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about. I know the diffrence is nothing it's just why did the overall avoid go down yet the skill went up??</p></blockquote><p>Was there someone else who had an avoidance buff on you that unyielding vigilence cancelled?  It used to be that those never showed up on our avoidance, but they are now.</p></blockquote><p>No one else had there avod check buff on me that I could tell. I  casted it and canceled it several times so it would overwright any other fighter avoid checks..unless its not canceling the other fighter buff and it's just casting over it...I'll ask the fighter that would have had his avoid on me if it was.</p><p>Do you have a link to that topic or patch notes? I did a quick search but all i could find is this topic and something a little outdated when 420 was the cap.</p>

[steelbadger]

<p>Sounds like it's the old "Coming down the other side of the curve" bug.  Parry is capped at 560, so it sounds likely that you start coming down the other side of the curve when you get over 600.</p><p>I know it was already noticed with regards to mages and INT, if that was fixed I'd assume it was spot fixed and the actual cause of the issue (Parry avoid being capped by benefit rather than by parry).  Essentially they cap curve with respect to they y-axis value, so when the curve comes below that value you are no longer capped and it starts to drop off.  They really should change all caps to being an x-axis cap.</p>

[Hardain]

<p>Skill cap for all skills is 520 at lvl80.</p>

[dellaripa]

<p><cite>Hardain@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Skill cap for all skills is 520 at lvl80.</p></blockquote><p>Then how are people getting close to 80% avoidance?  I'm at 514ish defense and parry, have the TSO shield with 10%+block, and am only at 67%.  I know my gear is not so hot compared to raid geared guards, but for the life of me I don't know where that extra 13% comes from if skills are capped at 520.</p><p>So what is it really-520 or 560?</p>

[thial]

<p></p><p>I kind of just ignored his post because it was irrelevant to the topic but 520(i belive, going to research it) is the soft cape meaning that after that you start getting demising returns. I get more avoidance all the way up to 600 after that it starts going down. I don't know the exact numbers because i cant hit exactly 600. I can get 609 and I can get 594. At 609 I loose avoidance. If I go from 580 something to 590+ I gain avoidance. It’s weird.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>520 is the hard cap on all skills.</p><p>80% avoidance is achieved by adding gear be that shields, shield mod, adornments, etc, etc, etc.</p><p>Now, my question, whats the cap on shield mod and does it have a deiminishing return like haste/dps mod?</p><p>Does it diminish off at 75% like haste/dps, does it scale linearly and cap at 100%? </p><p>Not that I expect anyone here to have the answers...</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sounds like it's the old "Coming down the other side of the curve" bug.  Parry is capped at 560, so it sounds likely that you start coming down the other side of the curve when you get over 600.</p><p>I know it was already noticed with regards to mages and INT, if that was fixed I'd assume it was spot fixed and the actual cause of the issue (Parry avoid being capped by benefit rather than by parry).  Essentially they cap curve with respect to they y-axis value, so when the curve comes below that value you are no longer capped and it starts to drop off.  They really should change all caps to being an x-axis cap.</p></blockquote><p>It's still just as broken as ever.  Try making a lvl 2 mage with as much +int as possible then checking your power and subtracting from it all the total +power of your equipment and you get a negative number.</p>

[Zedtastic]

<p>I noticed the same thing a few weeks ago J.  My understanding was that 520 was the hardcap.  I was over 520 in raid and asked my dirge to go ahead and throw his parry buff on just for kicks and my avoidance jumped up almost 1% overall.  I was under the impression that anything above 520 on parry or defense did absolutely nothing.</p>

[Hirofortis]

<p>Dirge def buff pushes up parry.</p><p>Troub pushes up Defense.</p><p>Also if you want to see max you an always click on block.</p><p>22368 maxes your avoidance at 100% of course to get that would be near impossible. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>With that being said I went and tested some increases.</p><p>14112/76.5% - 14256/77% - 14268/77.1%</p><p>Defense 533 - 560 - 565</p><p>Parry 521 - 521 - 521</p><p>As far as I can tell, although 520 is supposed to be the cap, It continues to increase as you go even beyond 560. </p><p>So from what I am seeing Jdark, you might have found the end of he curve. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I really don't think there is a hard cap though unless you want to call it 600 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Krunck@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dirge def buff pushes up parry.</p><p>Troub pushes up Defense.</p><p>Also if you want to see max you an always click on block.</p><p>22368 maxes your avoidance at 100% of course to get that would be near impossible. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>With that being said I went and tested some increases.</p><p>14112/76.5% - 14256/77% - 14268/77.1%</p><p>Defense 533 - 560 - 565</p><p>Parry 521 - 521 - 521</p><p>As far as I can tell, although 520 is supposed to be the cap, It continues to increase as you go even beyond 560. </p><p>So from what I am seeing Jdark, you might have found the end of he curve. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I really don't think there is a hard cap though unless you want to call it 600 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Bah, your going to make me dig up the diminishing rewards announcement that gave the formula for where the 520 cap came from.</p>

[Hirofortis]

<p>I know all about the formula, but the formula is not accounting for what we are seeing.</p>

[steelbadger]

<p>Just did some testing.</p><p>561     -  565 defense</p><p>10296 -  10308 avoid</p><p>And.</p><p>565     -  569 defense</p><p>10320 -  10320 avoid</p><p>I kept parry, agi and shield block the same for each check.  Up to 565 it seems I gain benefits from defence but above 565 it seems to cap.  I can continue to increase base avoidance by using uncontested avoid gear but defense stat has zero effect over 565 apparently.</p>