Warrior tree end AA's for tanking.

[Payneal The Great]

<p>Out of the wis, str, and stam lines, which 2 end tree AA's are most important for tanking? Im pretty set on my build, but for this small detail, mainly im debating between the str and stam end tree AA's.</p><p>*EDIT* I didnt consider the int tree end aa, thats would be decent for taunt resue, what 2 end lines are best for tankage?</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<p>I should probably add my current build.</p><p>str 4-4-8-3</p><p>stam 4-4-8-8-1</p><p>int 4-4-6-8-1</p><p>I also have the TSO one that adds hate when i block, so what do ya think?</p>

[LygerT]

<p>until the tank changes go in there's nothing wrong with your current spec. after the changes you can do whatever, it won't really make much difference.</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<p>Well im thinking after the changes i might want the 4th aa in the str tree to go from 3 to 8 points, but it may not be necissary.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>strength 4 will be pretty much how stamina 3 used to be cept it's weaker for us due to weaker taunts and gives no damage.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>That's how I roll now:</p><p>STR 4-4-8-8STA 4-4-8-3INT 4-4-6-8-2</p><p>Extra shield effectiveness is less important than holding aggro, in my book.</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<p>But with the TSO aa every block adds hate, so combine that with max block skills and you got def + hate.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Habaloo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But with the TSO aa every block adds hate, so combine that with max block skills and you got def + hate.</p></blockquote><p>And it still won't add up to the same amount of hate you'll gain from 8 points in STR4.</p><p>On the other hand, you could get the best of both world with this build, but you would lose the benefits of the INT tree end ability altogether:</p><p>STR 4488STA 44882INT 4447 (or however you want to spend the remainder of your points).</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<p>I think i have settled on a build.</p><p>Str     4-4-8-8</p><p>stam  4-4-8-5</p><p>int      4-4-6-8-2</p><p>I decided the health gain from the stam end line is not enough to make a difference, and saving 10% power hast helped me much so far. Since the str aa #4 adds the most hate i took 3 point from shield block.</p>

[Axxe]

<p>In my opinion, if you're talking about a Tanking build over a DPS build - here's what I use anyways.</p><p>448-str / 448-sta / 48462-wis / 445-int</p><p>The wisdom line enables you to more effectively use your Hunker ability, and not lose dps if in D.stance, or defense if in O.stance.</p><p>You can all say whatever you want to, but Hunker is an Awesome ability, especially when no penolization is received for its active state. Same with Stifled-Rage, if you've spec'd for the penolization remover, as well as the bonus enhancements from your AA's.</p><p>Hunker + Disorder + Stifled-Rage = Pretty fricken Solid for X amount of time.</p><p>Plus, the ability to use Hunker as an offensive tool can come in as very handy in a pvp(assuming you're a pvp'er) fight with its chance to slow your target by a rather significant amount. (73% on Master1 Wall-of-Madness with a 1327 mitigation enhancement) I Love it.</p><p>Well there's my two-cent piece for y'all. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[LygerT]

<p>depends on your gear and raid force, i noticed almost no benefit from the wisdom endline ability but i was doing noticably less dps and holding less aggro.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>If you have a Dirge, Warden, and Templar in your group (which you probably will if you're MTing), then it puts you at or near the S/C/P cap even in Defensive. At that point, WIS end line becomes useless.</p><p>I'll be honest, I usually roll with so much DPS and Haste mod (Haste especially thanks to the INT tree) that even the penalties to Stifled Rage and Hunker combined barely dent my damage output.</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<p>The wis line is a waste, except maybe the second AA, i will keep my build because it has been doing fantastic.</p>

[Axxe]

<p>Fair enough. But I got to say, and I speak in all truth, I've no need to lie, not my style, I've yet to meet a Berserker who truly out DPS' me, and I see parses quite frequently with multiple zerkers on it, more so in PvP than pve, at least on Nagafen anyways. I do have some pretty above par gear.. though some of those Zerkers do as well. I also Rarely get aggro taken from me. ... But, most of the time, I role with people who know what they're doing(how to manage dps) but not Always, and I still rarely lose aggro with my current build, the one I posted above. ... I guess alot of it has to do with CA casting order and such. I Dunno'</p>

[Axxe]

<p>I guess for PvE, I see what you all mean, WIS-endline isn't all that worth it, BUT from a PvP'ers perspective, it Really is.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>it's because belly smash actually works in PvP, it also works in heroic zones but timing the knockdown and then belly smash generally negates most of the gain you get from it. i don't like to constantly swap specs for marginal gains so i roll with the most optimal build that works for every aspect which is str/sta/int for PvE which works well for raiding and grouping.</p>

[Elanjar]

<p><cite>Axxe@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I guess for PvE, I see what you all mean, WIS-endline isn't all that worth it, BUT from a PvP'ers perspective, it Really is.</p></blockquote><p>Correct. The WIS line is pwnage though.</p><p>Although you should change your wis spec to only have 4-1 in INT and put 8 points in STR4. That makes it very viable for instance tanking wihtout a dirge/warden also. Plus the taunt crit will be worth it for pvp. The minimal haste from INT3 isnt worth it in pvp since theres so much movemnt you're rarely able to get your Autos in on time anyway.</p>

[Elanjar]

<p><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>it's because belly smash actually works in PvP, it also works in heroic zones but timing the knockdown and then belly smash generally negates most of the gain you get from it. i don't like to constantly swap specs for marginal gains so i roll with the most optimal build that works for every aspect which is str/sta/int for PvE which works well for raiding and grouping.</p></blockquote><p>lol belly smash is actually easier to get off in pve than in pvp. [Removed for Content] knockback actually displaces them like 15m. Its freaking stoopid.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>That's kind of the whole point of a knockback.</p>

[firewolf]

<p>When you have solid gear that max defence, parry, S/C/P, mitigation, melee crit and haste, your aa choice is completely different than others that do not have such gear yet. All the temporary buff becomes rather useless at that point too.</p><p>I've run into a berserker with str/sta/int spec, from healer perspective I can only sum up in one word, paper tank. He has a few T1 void shard gear with MC gear and some legendary jewelry mixed in. With 2 healers healing, there is no reason he is still taking so much damage on first named in zone like Deep Forge. Both healers have solo healed through the zone before. When he switches into defensive stance, runs into agro holding problem. Before getting enough gear to overcome the penalty on the stances, better to take the wisdom end line.</p><p>On my zerker, I use Shield Bash+Belly Smash+Executioner Axe combo follow by one of the high damage CA a lot. Whenever Shield Bash lands, Belly Smash always land too. Have not noticed any timing issue.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>firewolf wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> from healer perspective I can only sum up in one word, paper tank. He has a few T1 void shard gear with MC gear and some legendary jewelry mixed in.</p></blockquote><p>What you describe is a tank with poor gear for the zone, not one with a poor AA choice. If you're trying to tank TSO with MC gear, you're asking to get your butt handed to you no matter what AA spec you have.</p>