Soulfire and the Claymore?

[Kalria]

<p>I see from posts that Soulfire has a name, but does the Claymore have one?</p><p>Where is each sword now in the current game?</p>

[chainsaw]

<p>statue for claymore is antonica. dont know if thats what your looking for.</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p>Yes, the Claymore does have a name, just like Soulfire does, but I can't remember what it is.</p><p>Also interesting is that both are , in some way, related to Theer...my guess is that Theer used to dual-wield the swords, or the swords are two halves of one whole and he used the combined sword, while taking on the gods. That's probably why Mayong, Anashti, and everyone else "in the know" is interested in the swords.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p>

[iceriven2]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p></blockquote><p>After the soulfire quest, i forget the detials but did we give Lucan back a fake?</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p></blockquote><p>its not the real sword, just a projection.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p></blockquote><p>After the soulfire quest, i forget the detials but did we give Lucan back a fake?</p></blockquote><p>At the end of the Fate of Norrath questline "a stranger" says Lucan has Soulfire. Do you think Mayong is lying at that point?</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I would guess that since Theer is the Nameless' avatar for balance, that the 'Right, (and left), Hand(s) of Theer' do not refer to an actual dual wielding warrior.  Rather, that each side, (the Light and the Dark), has been granted a sword of power to maintain that balance.</p><p>The Claymore is after all, well-- a claymore (a large two-handed weapon).  And while I suppose it is possible that an avatar of such power has the strength to wield it as if it were a one-handed weapon, I think it more likely that these are not Theer's personal weapons, but rather his charges to be used to maintain a balance as he was ordered to do.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I think he dual wielded them. the very title 'Godslayer' implies he has/did kill some of the gods. the right hand and left hand of theer...one a representive of light, the other of darkness. no one on norrath, I think, except maybe mayong, has any clue how to unlock the full power of the weapons anyway. and Theer probably wants them back once he returns (if he does). what I wonder though, is why are we bothering to hinder him? sounds like he's supposed to keep mortals from being puppets to the gods by basically forcing them to get along/play nice.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think he dual wielded them. the very title 'Godslayer' implies he has/did kill some of the gods. the right hand and left hand of theer...one a representive of light, the other of darkness. no one on norrath, I think, except maybe mayong, has any clue how to unlock the full power of the weapons anyway. and Theer probably wants them back once he returns (if he does). what I wonder though, is why are we bothering to hinder him? sounds like he's supposed to keep mortals from being puppets to the gods by basically forcing them to get along/play nice.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe because they are OUR gods? We mortals worship gods. In effect, we give aid to the enemy of Theer. Even if you personally are agnostic, mortals by and large aid the gods. As such, Theer probably won't take kindly to us. If he just wanted to compete with the gods for our favor all he would have to do is pop out and slay a few of them. Enough mortals would join him simply because he could prove he is powerful. I don't think that is his goal.</p><p>It could be the gods get their edge against Theer due to worship. It could be that Theer is on his way back because they severed ties with us and weakened their own ward against Theer. If Theer is against all the gods, it could be he is against us as well simply because we are a power source for the gods. Fear makes Cazic Thule more powerful, Love reaches to Erollisi, Innoruk gains strength from hate. If there are less mortals to feel these emotions...</p><p>Having Theer around is NOT good for us!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Yeah but what do we have to lose? The last 500 years alone have proved that we don't need the gods to have the emotions and elements they represent. Losing Innoruuk isn't going to change anything. It'll just make the Dark Elves hate everything even more due to the bitter sting of the loss, and that will lead to a new God of Hate being born due to the accumulation of that hatred towards everything in the universe.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p></blockquote><p>After the soulfire quest, i forget the detials but did we give Lucan back a fake?</p></blockquote><p>At the end of the Fate of Norrath questline "a stranger" says Lucan has Soulfire. Do you think Mayong is lying at that point?</p></blockquote><p>What do we really know?</p><p>Mayong went to all measures just to get his hand on the Soulfire ... and give it up practically the next day? No, as I said before, it was too easy. Part of sword in a chest with just a riddle? And another half in coffin with a certain book just laying open on top of it?</p><p>Maybe I am giving it too much credit, but really? By Lore standpoint, Mayong is much smarter than an average Norrathian and more powerful. He had been to the Planes and back. He surely knew about Roehn Theer and what he was long before we even did. If he knew about Theer, then he would know what Soulfire and Claymore really are.</p><p>And finally, having at least 5 or 6 of his best standing guard of the platform where the sword rests ... that is what bothered me. Why have it surrounded while other displays are barely attended to? won't it be strange to have something so heavily protected when it's just a "projection"?</p><p>Only conclusion I had is ... the sword is the real deal. I can't see any other way at this time.</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Qeynos Claymore: Exonus</p><p>Soulfire: Aeteok</p><p>Right now, Mayong has the Soulfire in his vaults since events in Echoes of Faydwer and it can be seen in Ravenscale Repository. The Order of Marr is supposed to be safeguarding the Qeynos Claymore after the events in Kingdom of Sky.</p></blockquote><p>After the soulfire quest, i forget the detials but did we give Lucan back a fake?</p></blockquote><p>At the end of the Fate of Norrath questline "a stranger" says Lucan has Soulfire. Do you think Mayong is lying at that point?</p></blockquote><p>What do we really know?</p><p>Mayong went to all measures just to get his hand on the Soulfire ... and give it up practically the next day? No, as I said before, it was too easy. Part of sword in a chest with just a riddle? And another half in coffin with a certain book just laying open on top of it?</p><p>Maybe I am giving it too much credit, but really? By Lore standpoint, Mayong is much smarter than an average Norrathian and more powerful. He had been to the Planes and back. He surely knew about Roehn Theer and what he was long before we even did. If he knew about Theer, then he would know what Soulfire and Claymore really are.</p><p>And finally, having at least 5 or 6 of his best standing guard of the platform where the sword rests ... that is what bothered me. Why have it surrounded while other displays are barely attended to? won't it be strange to have something so heavily protected when it's just a "projection"?</p><p>Only conclusion I had is ... the sword is the real deal. I can't see any other way at this time.</p></blockquote><p>Or it could be a ruse. If you want someone to think that you have something valuable, hire guards. If everyone thinks that the guards are to protect the "real" sword, then no one will go sniffing around for where it actually might be. I personally, don't know if it is real or not, but there are two ways to take the display.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Or it could be a ruse. If you want someone to think that you have something valuable, hire guards. If everyone thinks that the guards are to protect the "real" sword, then no one will go sniffing around for where it actually might be. I personally, don't know if it is real or not, but there are two ways to take the display.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that much is true. But think for a moment, though. Mayong said that Lucan has the Soulfire and we <em>assumed</em> he was telling the truth. That was before. Now in the Ravenscale, we see the Soulfire display and it was being guarded.</p><p>Was it the truth or a misdirection? And which time?</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Or it could be a ruse. If you want someone to think that you have something valuable, hire guards. If everyone thinks that the guards are to protect the "real" sword, then no one will go sniffing around for where it actually might be. I personally, don't know if it is real or not, but there are two ways to take the display.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that much is true. But think for a moment, though. Mayong said that Lucan has the Soulfire and we <em>assumed</em> he was telling the truth. That was before. Now in the Ravenscale, we see the Soulfire display and it was being guarded.</p><p>Was it the truth or a misdirection? And which time?</p></blockquote><p>Also if he is lying about Soulfire, what else did he lie about? Will one of the raids leading up to a confrontation with Theer be Mayong telling us its time to hand over the calendar, and him insisting that "no" is not an acceptable answer but the only correct one?</p><p>Mayong is known for intriquit webs of deceit and cloak and dagger work. However, he isn't known to be a great liar. In just about all the lore involving him, he manipulates people but I can't recall a single instance of him actually lying. I seriously doubt he has started lying with the stone. Though, its possible that none of the stories are accurate enough to include any lies he has told.</p><p>Hmm...*ponders*</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Mayong is much smarter than an average Norrathian and more powerful. He had been to the Planes and back. He surely knew about Roehn Theer and what he was long before we even did. If he knew about Theer, then he would know what Soulfire and Claymore really are.</blockquote><p>Mayong ascended to godhood at some point in EQ2.</p><p>IIRC he dropped the mantle himself, seemingly after gaining whatever it was he was after.</p><p>It seems, at least to me, that he was after info on Roehn Theer, Soulfire and the Claymore. As a god, it would be reasonable to expect such things to be commonly known, and the info passed around to the very few that ascend to that stature.</p><p>Mayong got what he wanted, and then left.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>have to remember, mayong has a projetion of the lifeguard staff to. dont see why he couldent have one of soulfire, expecialy sence he did say himself he purposly LET lucian get it back during the SoD quest.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Mayong is much smarter than an average Norrathian and more powerful. He had been to the Planes and back. He surely knew about Roehn Theer and what he was long before we even did. If he knew about Theer, then he would know what Soulfire and Claymore really are.</blockquote><p>Mayong ascended to godhood at some point in EQ2.</p><p>IIRC he dropped the mantle himself, seemingly after gaining whatever it was he was after.</p><p>It seems, at least to me, that he was after info on Roehn Theer, Soulfire and the Claymore. As a god, it would be reasonable to expect such things to be commonly known, and the info passed around to the very few that ascend to that stature.</p><p>Mayong got what he wanted, and then left.</p></blockquote><p>You know, if what he wanted was info on Theer, and he figured out Theer was planning on coming back to deliver the whumping of all time to the gods - that seems like a pretty good reason to give up godhood to me.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>That's a good point. If Theer was designed to specifically slay the gods if needed, then you could say that being a mortal will actually make you SAFER to exist from his powers.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That's a good point. If Theer was designed to specifically slay the gods if needed, then you could say that being a mortal will actually make you SAFER to exist from his powers.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure that being an ex-god makes you any safer if Theer is planning on crushing Norrath as a path to weaken the gods. If he was just going to involve the gods, I don't think he'd be aiming Anashasti and the Shadowmen at Norrath.</p><p>I think Mayong became a god to gain valueable information he couldn't get access to as a mortal, used his new influence to contact several gods directly, and then left godhood behind once he secured a few bargains to make sure the gods wouldn't go after him directly like they did with Zeb. As a god, the longer he stayed active the more likely he would be to earn an enemy amongst the other gods. I think he gave it up because he had what he wanted and he didn't want to be involved in the petty squabbles of beings that could actually challenge him and his entire network of spies.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Mayong doesn't seem the type to lie....he doesn't really need to. I can see him giving Lucan back Soulfire the same way he allows us the have the chelsith stone. He already knows if he wants it he can get it. and I bet with all the recent talk of Theer, and how mayong is looking for the 16 monoliths of theer...which sounds to me like something to help Theer come back rather then keep him away...that Theer coming back might not be a bad thing. provided the Void hasn't corrupted him into something we don't want.</p>