Ideas to get more fighters in raids/groups

[Elanjar]

<p>Just an idea I had rolling around in my head while bored as hell in my heat transfer lecture.</p><p>I'd like to see some reasons for bringing other fighters in raids and groups, that aren't OT or dps purposes. Were kinda gettin shafted on dps and you only really need 1 OT. anyway on to the change.</p><p>I'd like to see some new additions to our avoidance buff (on someone else) vehement guard.</p><p>New discription:</p><p>Gives target a 40% chance to use (said classes) avoidance check on unsuccessful avoid.</p><p> - If target is a fighter             increases enemies hate towards target by xxxx amount on successful avoid by caster             defensive temp buffs hold rage & wall of rage are applied to target instead of caster</p><p>- If target is not a fighter            decreases enemies hate towards target by xxxx amount on successful avoid by caster</p><p>There are probably more spells that could be modified like this. perhaps buff to increase agression if a fighter, or to buff something else if not a fighter.</p><p>Point is with stuff like this there might be a reason to put a fighter in every group. they could do stuff like the warriors buff would best put them in a MT or OT group because of defense/hate purposes. A brawlers would best put them in a melee dps or OT group. Crusaders might go best in any group since they are hybrid.</p><p>anyways, thoughts/flames whatever i was just bored.</p>

[ZerkerDwarf]

<p>Thinking closer about it, one might come to the conclusion, that there are no more spots for non-fighters than for fighters in a raid.</p><p>One tank per group does not hinder a raid to kill an Avatar. Do you actually need more than ONE wizard, warlock, assassine?</p><p>* There are 24 classes and 24 spots in raid.</p><p>* Take 24 classes, omit 4 and replace them with additional enchanters and bards to have one enchanter and one bard per group (dirge+troub is nice for melee dps - but that's not the point).</p><p>* What can be omitted? There is a general opinion that pet mages don't contribute that much to the raid. So omit them, one brawler class (or a berserker if there's a guardian as MT) and one crusader.</p><p>It's more a 'problem' of support classes edging out other classes.</p><p>Ok, this example also includes a disadvantage of fighter classes, but you see that there is no need for having any class twice, except bards and enchanters (maybe two templars instead of inquisitor and two defilers instead of one mystic or other way round - according to situation and player presence).</p><p>That's just a personal opinion.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>i would rather just see the AE and single target tanks a little better balanced so you take a person based on skill instead of being overpowered.</p>

[Elanjar]

<p><cite>ZerkerDwarf wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's more a 'problem' of support classes edging out other classes.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. I think it would be nice if fighters could provide some sort of support to keep up with these since you only need one tank, and our dps/debuffs (do we even have those...) are insignificant compared to T1 or even T2 dps expecially once GU51 hits.</p>

[Bruener]

<p>You know I had made a post a while ago (yes when SKs were the bottom of the barrel getting the shaft) about ideas to add utility to the fighter classes to help with the over-all success of the raid.  Basically the more fighters in the raid the more you could control the outcomes or make it easier for the ones tanking.  The role of for each fighter tanking there was also some sort of support tank.  It seemed silly at the time that Assassins should get a hate transfer when utility like that could have been given to a fighter to give them a spot in the MT or OT group.  Or utility like absorbing some of the damage for the fighter tanking at a lower rate because you are there as a shield man...something better than the current avoidance buff.</p><p>To compete for raid slots and for there to actually be a reason to bring more than 2-3 fighters on a raid, the ones not doing the current tanking have to either bring enough DPS to warrant being wanted or enough utility to be wanted, or a good mixture of both.  Bards and chanters need to have a serious over-haul and have a lot of their abilities made raid-wide somehow to counter the fact that 4-5 of each archetype is wanted on raids.  This is something I believe SOE is aware of and Aeralik has in fact commented on it, but hasn't stated any ideas for it...probably in his whole grand scheme of bringing classes back in line...unfortunately he started with fighters.  Than once those classes are reworked it would open up slots for more fighters and yes summoners who need to find themselves back into raids...but only if those classes are bringing enough to the table to want them on raids, otherwise go with another brigand or another assasin or etc.</p><p>Anyway, unless SOE decides to make raid encounters all like Zarrakon....with these fighter changes seeing extra fighters in raids is just going to get worse.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>i don't agree with pushing for more fighters on a raid, you already can go in with a fighter and 18k health and eat AEs better than those utility classes and do some decent DPS, what do you really want more? scripts like sisters but that require 4 plate tanks? nope, i don't so much care to be one who breaks the game in other forced ways. you can add more desirability for tanks but as i said a raid leader is going to choose who they feel necessary to get the job done and some do stack in 3-4 fighters per raid, others like to roll with the bare minimum to make things move as quickly as possible.</p><p>seeing the dps get squished in 1 hit or a couple ticks off a dot while the tank barely has a scratch, all you can do is work for a spot in a raid guild, not be expected to have one handed to you. tanks are tanks, if you're not tanking then what are you really? roll an alt if you aren't the main tank, the off tank or the off-off tank.</p>