New Assassin

[Mett]

<p>Just thought I would toss out an introduction. I am new to EQ2. I am coming from WOW, WAR, LOTRO, AOC, VG and wow was my first mmo and my longest stay. I must say I am enjoyin gthis game a lot more, I love all the races, classes etc. I have always played a tank, dps warrior, healer etc. and I wanted something different in this game. I have played the bruiser, inquisitor, shaman, brigand and swashbuckly to at least level 15 before trying the assassin. I love the assassin it just fits my playstyle perfectly. I am now level 16 and I have the 4 aa's in str, 2 in the next skill and I am working my way along and loving it. I have the hemotoxin poison as I am going alchemy but it looks like its hit or miss on which to use based on the mob so I can just test that out myself. Any recommendations for a total noob assassin on eq2?</p>

[Brimestar]

<p>play on a pvp server <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mett]

<p>I would but my friends are all on Permafrost and they talked me in to playing. I dont think there is any PVP on a pve server right?</p>

[Brucifer]

<p>Re-roll as a Dark Elf if you are still under level 30.  You will not regret it later.  Especially if you are going alchy.  Also, something I found very useful was to put my first 5 aa's into cheap shot.  Makes solo'ing MUCH easier with the extended stun length.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>play on a pvp server <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>DON"T.</p><p><cite>Brucifer97 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Re-roll as a Dark Elf if you are still under level 30.  You will not regret it later.  Especially if you are going alchy.  Also, something I found very useful was to put my first 5 aa's into cheap shot.  Makes solo'ing MUCH easier with the extended stun length.</p></blockquote><p>Dark elfs are for n00bs.</p><p>Seriously though PvP in this game is terrible.  Dark elfs are kind of OP but it's still not a big deal which race you choose.</p>

[Mett]

<p>WHat makes the dark elves a lot better? I personally dont like the way they look all that much.</p>

[Brucifer]

<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=444693�" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...444693�</a> Check out this post for the majority of the discussion.

[Kitsune]

<p>I went Kerran Assassin. Why? Cos then you got Predator skills and what is the ultimate predator but a Feline. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Actually, my Kerran makes a great Assassin.</p><p>However, with all her Stealth Only spells and having to be behind the mob for the most part of the rest of her combat skills, she is not easy to solo when my small Guild is not on. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>For that reason I also made a Swashie who can solo and has face to face CAs unlike the Assassin.</p><p>If you stick with your Assassin it is awesome. I am only using Adept 1 apells as at L 73 thye are too expensive right now - 9 plat at the least per Adept 3, and she still does a cool nearly 5,000 damage with one Stealther and Behind shot!  Oh and she uses poisons too so you get poison damage on top of that.</p><p>You can stack poisons and use one of each of the 3 categories of poison - I use Grandmaster's (cos L 73) Mental Breech, Grandmaster's Enfeebling, and Grandmaster's um.. have to look it up! lol will edit in shortly. But plenty articles on the poisons anyway.</p>

[Mett]

<p>I am going to try the dark elf and see how it stands up. I didnt like the ratonga either. Are there any sites to see what the gear looks like and try it on and what not.</p>

[Kitsune]

<p>Yes it is In-game and called The Dressing Room. All you do is highlight the armor you want to look at, hold down the Control key and click the item. A wondow opens with you wearing the gear.</p><p>As for pix, there are literally hundreds of combos of possible armor. Try Google cos I doubt anyone has taken screenies of many types of armor. For a start you have the MC armor from L 20 up every 10-20 levels, then there is all the Dropped armor, and the armor quests, and given these are all pieces of armor you can see the combos are about endless.</p>

[Brimestar]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>play on a pvp server <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>DON"T.</p><p><cite>Brucifer97 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Re-roll as a Dark Elf if you are still under level 30.  You will not regret it later.  Especially if you are going alchy.  Also, something I found very useful was to put my first 5 aa's into cheap shot.  Makes solo'ing MUCH easier with the extended stun length.</p></blockquote><p>Dark elfs are for n00bs.</p><p>Seriously though PvP in this game is terrible.  Dark elfs are kind of OP but it's still not a big deal which race you choose.</p></blockquote><p>Don't listen to this guy, he is totally against PvP and somewhat jaided on his views, but be your own judge....</p>

[Brinelan]

<p><cite>Magruber@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am going to try the dark elf and see how it stands up. I didnt like the ratonga either. Are there any sites to see what the gear looks like and try it on and what not.</p></blockquote><p>Hit control and click the item, it will put the item on your character in a dressing room window.  You can get item links from <a href="http://www.lootdb.com " target="_blank">lootdb.com </a>by copying the item link and pasting it in a chat channel (I usually use say in a quiet area).</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Male dark elves look lame and girlish, but you can get a petrified <em>race</em> eye off the broker or from the collection quests and look like whatever race you want. The bad thing is you can't pick what your illusion looks like.</p>

[Tremonti]

<p><cite>Brucifer97 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=444693?" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...444693?</a> Check out this post for the majority of the discussion.</blockquote><p>Unfortunately, It seems, it doesn't exist or the link is wrong.</p><p>I'm very curious as to why a Dark Elf, myself, if someone doesn't mind educating me a lil'.  Im about to give an assassin a roll.</p><p>PM's are welcome.</p><p>Ty much.</p><p>Edit: I was also told by someone, you can switch to queynos alignment and retain assassin instead of being forced to changing into a ranger.  Is this true?</p>

[Kitsune]

<p>Not true. Good Assassin equivalent is a Swashbuckler, not Ranger. I know for sure as I have a L 79 Swashie and L 73 Assassin!</p><p>If you Betray, you have to lose your Evil Class, and become the Good Class equivalent.</p><p>If you are in Kelethin and want to live in Qeynos, that is NOT Betrayal. Same if you live in Neriak and want to live in Freeport. It is just a change of City. Then you talk to the Guild manager in the city of your choice, do 2 very simple set quests, and you are a Citizen with a whole new Call Home.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Tremonti wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Edit: I was also told by someone, you can switch to queynos alignment and retain assassin instead of being forced to changing into a ranger.  Is this true?</p></blockquote><p>Don't listen to Kitsune. Ranger and assassin are the predators. If you are an assassin and betray to the good side you become a ranger, unless you play on a PvP server there is an option to stay assassin but I don't really know exactly how that works.</p><p>Kitsune swashbuckler and brigand are the rogues fyi.</p><p>As for why <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Elf_(Character_Race)" target="_blank">dark elves</a> are good assassins...</p><p>Temp buff +5melee and spell crit, 10 casting speed, 35 haste for 30 seconds 5min recast (-def -parry). Haste mod is nice because assassin self buffs dps anyway and will get more benefit from haste.</p><p>Permanent 2% dbl attk +5 pierce</p><p>25% extra poison charges</p><p>PBAoE deaggro (good for getting mobs off you so you can stealth)</p><p>Permanent extra magic mit and a temp buff that gives +magic mit (soaking magic based aoe)</p><p>+stealthed run speed, +5int, +3% max power, slow fall</p><p>All abilities that benefit assassin.</p>

[Tremonti]

<p>Edit: Oops.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Derkin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tremonti wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Edit: I was also told by someone, you can switch to queynos alignment and retain assassin instead of being forced to changing into a ranger.  Is this true?</p></blockquote><p>Don't listen to Kitsune. Ranger and assassin are the predators. If you are an assassin and betray to the good side you become a ranger, unless you play on a PvP server there is an option to stay assassin but I don't really know exactly how that works.</p><p>Kitsune swashbuckler and brigand are the rogues fyi.</p><p>As for why <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Elf_(Character_Race)" target="_blank">dark elves</a> are good assassins...</p><p>Temp buff +5melee and spell crit, 10 casting speed, 35 haste for 30 seconds 5min recast (-def -parry). Haste mod is nice because assassin self buffs dps anyway and will get more benefit from haste.</p><p>Permanent 2% dbl attk +5 pierce</p><p>25% extra poison charges</p><p>PBAoE deaggro (good for getting mobs off you so you can stealth)</p><p>Permanent extra magic mit and a temp buff that gives +magic mit (soaking magic based aoe)</p><p>+stealthed run speed, +5int, +3% max power, slow fall</p><p>All abilities that benefit assassin.</p></blockquote><p>I think the 3% crit, 5 pierce is better generally.  The only real advantage is slowfall and that temp buff.</p>

[Kitsune]

<p><cite> </cite></p><p>Hmm, I am sitting here, In Game, at Character Creation and guess what? <strong>Assassin, Swashbuckler, and Brigand are the Rogue classes!</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger</strong> is .. a <strong>Ranger class</strong>, there is no other one on it.  And it is Good Aligned.</p><p>Swashbuckler is the only Good Aligned Rogue, the other 2, Brigand and Assassin are Evil.</p><p>Now. as to what I said about Assassins Betraying and being Swashbucklers, in my opinion, the Swashie is better than the Assassin in some areas, but has somewhat lesser damage.However unlike the Assassin, all her atttacks do not need to be Stealthed and from behind. And she can be a mini Tank too in a small group.</p><p>Her AA line gives her the awesome Combat Art called Walk The Plank which makes the mob turn its back to her long enough to get off her 4  best Behind Positional CA's and do awesome damage. And she can Solo easily, which the Assassin cannot. The Assassin is weak fighting more than one mob face to face, and her AOEs are all Stealthed. Impossible to go into Stealth while under attack so that nerfs you right away. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  The Swashie loves face to face as her AOEs are not Stealthed.</p><p>My L 73 Assassin's top Adept 1 spell does 4,000 damage from behind and is Stealthed.</p><p>My L 79 Swashie's top  L 79 Adept 3 spell does aboput 3,000 odd damage and is not Stealthed.</p><p>If you want more information on both my character's spells, PM me here and I will do it for you - at 22 CAs each. not doing it here unless assked, lol.</p><p>Swashie has Poisons, like the Assassin, has Positional Attacks like the Assasin, BUT she does not have to be Stealthed to do strikes from behind or the side EXCEPT for one only that needs Stealth.</p><p>Swashie has Stealth for herself, and Smuggle to make her Party invisible for 10 minutes.</p><p>So it is no hardship becomming a Swashie if you Betray. I have no idea about a Ranger, sorry, never tried one, but as I am in Character Creation right now, I do think I will try one... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><blockquote><cite>Derkin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><p>Don't listen to Kitsune. Ranger and assassin are the predators. If you are an assassin and betray to the good side you become a ranger, unless you play on a PvP server there is an option to stay assassin but I don't really know exactly how that works.</p><p>Kitsune swashbuckler and brigand are the rogues fyi.</p></blockquote>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Kitsune wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite> </cite></p><p>Hmm, I am sitting here, In Game, at Character Creation and guess what? <strong>Assassin, Swashbuckler, and Brigand are the Rogue classes!</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger</strong> is .. a <strong>Ranger class</strong>, there is no other one on it.  And it is Good Aligned.</p><p>Swashbuckler is the only Good Aligned Rogue, the other 2, Brigand and Assassin are Evil.</p><p><em><strong>The character creation screen is wrong and has been wrong since the launch of EoF regarding rogues.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Assassin <-> Ranger = Predator</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Brigand <-> Swashbuckler = Rogue</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>On a PvE server if you betray alignments you will swap to the opposite class. I betrayed my ratonga assassin to ranger and never got the option to become a swashbuckler (because they are rogues not predators). I betrayed my ratonga ranger back to an assassin at level 70 and never got the option to become a brigand (because they are rogues not predators). If what you claim is true (and it's not) what happens when a swashbuckler betrays to Freeport then? I'll give you a hint... BRIGAND</strong></em></p><p>My L 73 Assassin's top Adept 1 spell does 4,000 damage from behind and is Stealthed.</p><p><em><strong>You have a combat art called Decapitate that does 12,000 -ish damage at adept 3 with 650 -ish strength.</strong></em></p></blockquote>

[Kitsune]

<p>Not doubting you, but I would be interested in the Link to information that the Character Creation screen is wrong, because it is also wrong in Test too. Seems it is a huge error for SOE to have.</p><p>However, isn't Predator just the AA line more than anything? The days when we actually got Predator Racial skills are long gone. In fact I remember them changing that issue. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>They are all in the Scout Class, of which the Rogue and Predator are a sub category, not a main one, as far as I can see?? After all, they are all in this group of Scout forums. Anyone else able to elucidate?</p><p>Ah, yes, I forgot Decapitate 13,531 damage on Ad 3, Thanks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Kitsune wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not doubting you, but I would be interested in the Link to information that the Character Creation screen is wrong, because it is also wrong in Test too. Seems it is a huge error for SOE to have.</p><p>However, isn't Predator just the AA line more than anything? The days when we actually got Predator Racial skills are long gone. In fact I remember them changing that issue. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>They are all in the Scout Class, of which the Rogue and Predator are a sub category, not a main one, as far as I can see?? After all, they are all in this group of Scout forums. Anyone else able to elucidate?</p><p>Ah, yes, I forgot Decapitate 13,531 damage on Ad 3, Thanks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It used to be correct but they broke it like 6 months ago or something..</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>When they launched EoF and the fae they changed what the character selection screen looks like. For some reason they decided to put assassins with the rogues on character select even though that is wrong. It has been like that ever since, but none-the-less assassins are predators. That's why assassins and rangers both share the predator AA tree.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Class" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Class</a></p>

[Brucifer]

<p><span style="font-size: 11px; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">bleh..</span></p>

[Kitsune]

<p>Thank you, Derkin and Lethe. I really wasn't aware of that. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> They should, indeed, change the Character Creation screen. Wonder how many others who Betrayed got hit by the lack of choice. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yea, you'd think it would be an easy thing to fix but apparently the devs are content to let it stay that way on the class selection screen.</p>

[kr7awhrvt]

<p>*Deleted*  Someone posted the info already.</p>

[Kokus]

<p><cite>Derkin@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea, you'd think it would be an easy thing to fix but apparently the devs are content to let it stay that way on the class selection screen.</p></blockquote><p>I'm assuming it was just there for the newbs.  Since rangers and assassins, while both predators, have such different play styles, they grouped the assassin with the rogues, because they do have a similar play style.  And as for the clueless swashbuckler, many of the assassin stealth attacks can be used while facing the mob, including the 2 big ones.</p>

[Kokus]

<p><cite>Magruber@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am going to try the dark elf and see how it stands up. I didnt like the ratonga either. Are there any sites to see what the gear looks like and try it on and what not.</p></blockquote><p>Since I just got the ability to create mannequins, my goal is to display every armor look my character has ever had in my house.  I just started last week, and haven't had the time to get back to it yet.</p><p><img src="http://67.182.193.113/eq2/EQ2_000124.jpg" width="1920" height="1150" /></p>

[dirtymeat80]

<p>I like that 2nd red one, very cool look</p>