Venril Sathir and Necro Pets

[tooloose]

<p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p>

[LazyPurp]

<p>I quit back in Oct. and just came back. Unless the encounter is bugged or changed, then the answer should be no. I used my pet and there were no issues. We killed VS many times and no issues with the conj or myself having our pets fighting (no matter what level the pets power was at, it didn't trigger his wrath to wipe the raid). Which was nice, since I could still let my pet dps, while I rezzed those who may have died or take time to cure myself etc...</p>

[wullailhuit]

<p>total rubbish , pets power pools have absolutely no effect on the encounter....</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>HOWEVER - if you use your pet AOE immunity which uses power and you get hit with mana sacrifice you have just wiped your raid.   Go SOE - another anti summoner raid mob where you will have to recast your pet due to aoe deaths or use your tank pet to survive the aoe and put out crapolla dps.</p>

[hellfire]

<p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>[Removed for Content].......  no</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p>

[Sabutai]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p></blockquote><p>actually if you don't have a group nox cure priest in your group you can cure the pet yourself and use a pot, works quite well.</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p></blockquote><p>actually if you don't have a group nox cure priest in your group you can cure the pet yourself and use a pot, works quite well.</p></blockquote><p>Only if you waste 5 points in the Nox Cure on the Necro line in Shadows.  And quite frankly it's stupid to give up 5 points in shadows so you can cure Nox.  Not sure if you noticed yet but that BS nox cure AA gives you 18 levels of nox per point spent.  You have to put at least 5 points into it to cure lvl 80+ nox.  5 AA's to cure nox off your pet is the biggest waste of points since Filter Life...</p>

[wullailhuit]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p></blockquote><p>Aye , put on all the in-combat power regen you can and you can then quite happily cast  spells as normal  with bloodpact on , just remember to toggle it off if you get Mana Sacrifice , just takes a little more concentration that the other non-pet mages.</p>

[Sabutai]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p></blockquote><p>actually if you don't have a group nox cure priest in your group you can cure the pet yourself and use a pot, works quite well.</p></blockquote><p>Only if you waste 5 points in the Nox Cure on the Necro line in Shadows.  And quite frankly it's stupid to give up 5 points in shadows so you can cure Nox.  Not sure if you noticed yet but that BS nox cure AA gives you 18 levels of nox per point spent.  You have to put at least 5 points into it to cure lvl 80+ nox.  5 AA's to cure nox off your pet is the biggest waste of points since Filter Life...</p></blockquote><p>and what pray tell exactly is there to spend 5 points on?  everything that increases dps you can put points into and still have this line.</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>tooloose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am raiding Venril Sathir atm and the healers are saying no pets because of the power issues. Is this true? Will VS wipe us if the pets fall below 30% power?</p></blockquote><p>Absolutley not.  However if yer speshul ED healers aren't using group nox cures like they are supposed to yer pet will explode every time the AE goes off.</p><p>You can get away with using Bloodpact to keep yer pet DPSing as long as you're not a t@rd and aren't trying to spam cast VS.</p></blockquote><p>actually if you don't have a group nox cure priest in your group you can cure the pet yourself and use a pot, works quite well.</p></blockquote><p>Only if you waste 5 points in the Nox Cure on the Necro line in Shadows.  And quite frankly it's stupid to give up 5 points in shadows so you can cure Nox.  Not sure if you noticed yet but that BS nox cure AA gives you 18 levels of nox per point spent.  You have to put at least 5 points into it to cure lvl 80+ nox.  5 AA's to cure nox off your pet is the biggest waste of points since Filter Life...</p></blockquote><p>and what pray tell exactly is there to spend 5 points on?  everything that increases dps you can put points into and still have this line.</p></blockquote><p>If you spec right you have 4 points left over and you put those in Bloodcloud to allow you to DPS well on linked encounters and stay out of melee range.</p><p>General 10 (Hps(5) and something else doesn't really matter)Mage 16 (Mage Shielding(5), Soul Rot(5), Master Strike(5), Bewilderment(1))Summoner 16 (Pet Crits(5), Pet Weapons(5), Soothing(5), Mark(1))Necro 18 (Nox Debuff(5), Drain Life(5), Both End Lines(4), Bloodcloud(4))</p><p>That is the perfect Shadows DPS spec.  Take anything away and you lose DPS.  And you are already down to only 4 points to enhance Bloodcloud.  Soothing is the only set of AA's that's floating.  But that 10% hate reduction will help you alot in both groups and raiding.  It's very easy to pull agro off the tank when you are maximizing your DPS.</p>

[Compas]

<p>Lets see mage leash, pet generates 20-30% dps and aggro for our class that is not assigned to us, bewilderment oh add tandem and alin's to boot for more aggro reduction why would you ever need soothing?</p><p>Those 5 points in noxious cure give you the ability to not only keep yourself alive and save a healer some trubble but also save your pet or another player in the raid/group if it for some reason needed it.</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>Compas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lets see mage leash, pet generates 20-30% dps and aggro for our class that is not assigned to us, bewilderment oh add tandem and alin's to boot for more aggro reduction why would you ever need soothing?</p><p>Those 5 points in noxious cure give you the ability to not only keep yourself alive and save a healer some trubble but also save your pet or another player in the raid/group if it for some reason needed it.</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest</p></blockquote><p>1) Mythical Pet does about 1200-1500 DPS tops on single targets.  I do 9k to 12k.  That means I build MASSIVE HATE and my pet does almost nothing.  My pet almost never beats the healer on the hate list...  (I spike into the 20's on large linked encounters..  and I really don't like tanking without my Solo spec and gear)2) Lifeburn and Dumbfire Burnout cause massive spike hate.  Without as much Hate reduction as possible you will rip agro off the tank constantly.  As it is with Soothing and a Troubador and a couple pieces with Hate reduction and an Illusionist I can still yank agro off anything but an SK without even trying on both single targets and linked encounters.3) If you use Bloodpact you will never have to cure your pet in the first place.4) Only being able to cure Nox while spending 5 AA's in the highest AA line is fricken stupid.  If it was in the Mage Line that would be cool.  If it allowed you to cure Nox, Elemental, Magic, Trama with 5 points that would be AWESOME. </p><p>But because it's just Nox and those points are much better spent elsewhere it's stupid to use.</p><p>If you don't have Bloodpact you are spec'd wrong as a necro.  If you are spec'd right you will never have to heal or cure your pet period.</p><p>And Magic Leash does nothing.  It lowers your pet's hate by less than 1 large damage spell and has a huge refresh.  That's just stupid.  Maybe if it affected you directly instead of yer pet and it didn't have a 20 minute refresh or whatever it would be useful but it doesn't and it's not.</p><p>But you are right if yer a Necro doing like 3k DPS and are basically a waste of a group slot there's no reason to spec for Soothing.  Might as well spec for full heals and nox cure and hearts and FD.  Cause yer worthless anyway.  Might as well be able to heal and FD quickly since your group is short a DPS class by having you there...</p>

[Sabutai]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Compas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lets see mage leash, pet generates 20-30% dps and aggro for our class that is not assigned to us, bewilderment oh add tandem and alin's to boot for more aggro reduction why would you ever need soothing?</p><p>Those 5 points in noxious cure give you the ability to not only keep yourself alive and save a healer some trubble but also save your pet or another player in the raid/group if it for some reason needed it.</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest</p></blockquote><p>1) Mythical Pet does about 1200-1500 DPS tops on single targets.  I do 9k to 12k.  That means I build MASSIVE HATE and my pet does almost nothing.  My pet almost never beats the healer on the hate list...  (I spike into the 20's on large linked encounters..  and I really don't like tanking without my Solo spec and gear)2) Lifeburn and Dumbfire Burnout cause massive spike hate.  Without as much Hate reduction as possible you will rip agro off the tank constantly.  As it is with Soothing and a Troubador and a couple pieces with Hate reduction and an Illusionist I can still yank agro off anything but an SK without even trying on both single targets and linked encounters.  <span style="color: #ff0000;">Get better tanks, I haven't grabbed agro off a tank unless I'm being stupid, sooooo....wonder which catergory you fall into.</span>3) If you use Bloodpact you will never have to cure your pet in the first place.4) Only being able to cure Nox while spending 5 AA's in the highest AA line is fricken stupid.  If it was in the Mage Line that would be cool.  If it allowed you to cure Nox, Elemental, Magic, Trama with 5 points that would be AWESOME. </p><p>But because it's just Nox and those points are much better spent elsewhere it's stupid to use.</p><p>If you don't have Bloodpact you are spec'd wrong as a necro.  If you are spec'd right you will never have to heal or cure your pet period.</p><p>And Magic Leash does nothing.  It lowers your pet's hate by less than 1 large damage spell and has a huge refresh.  That's just stupid.  Maybe if it affected you directly instead of yer pet and it didn't have a 20 minute refresh or whatever it would be useful but it doesn't and it's not.</p><p>But you are right if yer a Necro doing like 3k DPS and are basically a waste of a group slot there's no reason to spec for Soothing.  Might as well spec for full heals and nox cure and hearts and FD.  Cause yer worthless anyway.  Might as well be able to heal and FD quickly since your group is short a DPS class by having you there...</p></blockquote>

[Mew]

<p>If you have ACT or someone in the raid with ACT and voice chat turned on you can get warnings when the AOE's are due.  Then you can toggle between Blood Pact on/off.   Face it, unless you are using your tank pet or a mythical epic pet theyare going to die on pretty much every AOE without Blood Pact.  VS encounters are more about power managment than dps anyway and necro's are masterful at managing their own power.  A good necro who is paying attention will never (almost never, anyway) be responsible for wiping a VS raid.</p>

[Compas]

<p>At 9k to 12k dps I am no where near the top or even in the top 5 for my raid force and really its kind of rediculus to think that, Oh and my tanks have a clue and aside for lag causing issues I have not, and aside form a double cast bolt of ice from a wiz ever seen arro pulled off the tanks unless a script/ memwipe was involved. since assasins, illys and coercers start at about 11k dps and jsut go up from there with the wizards follwing behind them well into the high teens and even 20k's yet do not pull aggro off the tank. Really personal hate modification comes down to how good your tanks are to determine their value.</p><p>Where the Cure will actually save time or a player once in a while its relaly not a difficult descision there. Oh and that actually counts as utility which a small bone they threw us.</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest </p>

[Kryoni]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you spec right you have 4 points left over and you put those in Bloodcloud to allow you to DPS well on linked encounters and stay out of melee range.</p><p>General 10 (Hps(5) and something else doesn't really matter)Mage 16 (Mage Shielding(5), Soul Rot(5), Master Strike(5), Bewilderment(1))Summoner 16 (Pet Crits(5), Pet Weapons(5), Soothing(5), Mark(1))Necro 18 (Nox Debuff(5), Drain Life(5), Both End Lines(4), Bloodcloud(4))</p><p>That is the perfect Shadows DPS spec.  Take anything away and you lose DPS.  And you are already down to only 4 points to enhance Bloodcloud.  Soothing is the only set of AA's that's floating.  But that 10% hate reduction will help you alot in both groups and raiding.  It's very easy to pull agro off the tank when you are maximizing your DPS.</p></blockquote><p>why spend 5 in mage's shielding.. seems like a freebie set of 5 points you can float anywhere.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Kryoni wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you spec right you have 4 points left over and you put those in Bloodcloud to allow you to DPS well on linked encounters and stay out of melee range.</p><p>General 10 (Hps(5) and something else doesn't really matter)Mage 16 (Mage Shielding(5), Soul Rot(5), Master Strike(5), Bewilderment(1))Summoner 16 (Pet Crits(5), Pet Weapons(5), Soothing(5), Mark(1))Necro 18 (Nox Debuff(5), Drain Life(5), Both End Lines(4), Bloodcloud(4))</p><p>That is the perfect Shadows DPS spec.  Take anything away and you lose DPS.  And you are already down to only 4 points to enhance Bloodcloud.  Soothing is the only set of AA's that's floating.  But that 10% hate reduction will help you alot in both groups and raiding.  It's very easy to pull agro off the tank when you are maximizing your DPS.</p></blockquote><p>why spend 5 in mage's shielding.. seems like a freebie set of 5 points you can float anywhere.</p></blockquote><p>because xil has no clue</p>

[Sabutai]

<p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kryoni wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you spec right you have 4 points left over and you put those in Bloodcloud to allow you to DPS well on linked encounters and stay out of melee range.</p><p>General 10 (Hps(5) and something else doesn't really matter)Mage 16 (Mage Shielding(5), Soul Rot(5), Master Strike(5), Bewilderment(1))Summoner 16 (Pet Crits(5), Pet Weapons(5), Soothing(5), Mark(1))Necro 18 (Nox Debuff(5), Drain Life(5), Both End Lines(4), Bloodcloud(4))</p><p>That is the perfect Shadows DPS spec.  Take anything away and you lose DPS.  And you are already down to only 4 points to enhance Bloodcloud.  Soothing is the only set of AA's that's floating.  But that 10% hate reduction will help you alot in both groups and raiding.  It's very easy to pull agro off the tank when you are maximizing your DPS.</p></blockquote><p>why spend 5 in mage's shielding.. seems like a freebie set of 5 points you can float anywhere.</p></blockquote><p>because xil has no clue</p></blockquote><p>come on dude, everybody can use like 200 more HP :-/</p>

[Nosferateau]

<p>Have always used my pet, never a problem.  Use my dots too. Even though you run around a bit, can still parse 2nd or 3rd for that encounter.</p>