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Giraku

02-22-2009, 03:27 PM

So with elements of corruption comming out, What do you guys think is the target of the voids invasion? I mean, what is it Nejena has that they want. It was stated that we stole the rune of theer back, (At least those who have hit up the TsO storyline) So what could it be?

Xalmat

02-22-2009, 03:52 PM

That depends. The original void anchors in Lesser Faydark, Feerrott, and Moors of Ykesha were part of Anashti Sul's plan to invade Norrath. Anashti Sul however is (theoretically, as the raid boss hasn't been beaten yet AFAIK) defeated before this new anchor in Lavastorm appears. And before that could happen, we already took back the one Rune of Theer from her and used the Staff of Theer to destroy the anchors.My guess is that Najena bit off more than she can chew in researching The Void and accidentally opened a portal to The Void, and she needs help in closing it.

Cusashorn

02-22-2009, 03:53 PM

elements of corruption?

Xalmat

02-22-2009, 03:58 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>elements of corruption?</blockquote><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=2079&section=News&locale=en_US" target="_blank">The name given to GU51 by the devs.</a>

Cusashorn

02-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Ahh.. Well, who knows. Maybe the Devs will intentionally hold off on the storyline of Anashti having been defeated in the Void because nobody has done it yet. After all, the whole Time Split thing happened when the Plane of Time was finally defeated in July of 2003, so the Legacy of Ykesha expansion is, or should be given the existance of Marr-touched Frogloks, canon to our timeline to a certain extent.There's no point in having a storyline announce the results of something that hasn't happened yet....Actually, that kind of reminds me of when Skyshrine was revamped in EQlive to reflect the awakening of Kerafyrm on most servers. He was still sleeping soundly on Rallos Zek. I remember hearing that because of the revamp, any server that awoke him bugged his script, so he never made it down to Yelinak to kill him, or to the Temple of Veeshan to ascend off into the heavens after kicking more dragon butt. Fortunately for RZ, we killed him instead.

Xalmat

02-23-2009, 12:14 AM

It also depends on what the story is after Anashti Sul is defeated in Palace of the Ancient One, as I don't know what the deity quest line's story is (never did it in Beta).It also occured to me that, traditionally, the Temple of Solusek Ro is strongly opposed to the Shadowmen, and the new Lavastorm quests are related to the void invasion quests from last summer. Anyone have a recap of the quest dialog from then?

ke'la

02-23-2009, 12:15 AM

Could it be with the "defeat" of Anashti Sul in the void, and the closing of those anchors that the creatures of the void have gotten desperate* and have attacked Najena in order to claim her power for thier own. Sence Najena has made her presence knowen to the void creatures trough the study of the Rune of Theer, and claiming the power of a Mage as powerful as Najena would be a High Risk/Reward senerio for the Void Creatures.*Remember the only thing keeping them from True non-exsistance is being anchored to other planes.

Cusashorn

02-23-2009, 12:18 AM

What I can tell you about the Anashti Sul diety line is that her defeat in the Void breaks the tether that holds her there. With her physical body destroyed, she can reform it on Norrath.

Rainmare

02-23-2009, 01:15 AM

the little write up they give about it makes it seem like Theer is personally getting involved. Theer is sending void powers to go after Najena becuase of her fiddling with the rune. so maybe we'll get lucky and learn more about who (or what) Theer is. here's the blurb they put out:Having been defeated in her Hollow Tower, Najena fled deeper into her lair. There she has worked tirelessly to unlock the powers and secrets of the Rune of Theer. Through the course of her studies, Najena found the tiny rune to carry great and terrible power. Something about it felt familiar to her, and hoping to mimic and develop counters to the void power within the rune, Najena delved ever further into the strange magics. Too far. The Elemental Mistress sent ripples throughout the fabric of the magical world. The agents of Theer felt these and sent forth a champion to put an end to Najena's meddling.

Xalmat

02-23-2009, 01:35 AM

A dialog with one of the new NPCs in Lavastorm, located in the tunnel leading to Najena's several dungeons.You say, "Hail, Farminh Al'Ladar"Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "You are testing my patience! Do not push me!"You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "I've no desire to push you. I am simply trying to help."Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "Why is it you wish to help? You've no concept of what is at hand here! None!"You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Why don't you enlighten me? "Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "Enlighten you…You do seem to be capable; perhaps I have underestimated your capabilities. So you want to know what is going on here do you?"You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "I do. I think I can help! "Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "Interesting…We arrived here a few weeks ago; we were suspecting void activity, but nothing of this magnitude. When we first arrived, there was nothing out of place that we could put our fingers on. We set ourselves upon the task to try and infiltrate Najena's stronghold. If anyone would have an insight to what is really going on here she would have the most insight. But she has retreated deeper into her fortress and we could not get past the barriers we thought had been placed by herself."You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "You thought? I don't understand..."Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "We were unable to tell at first. Just as we were about to resign ourselves to the fact that we were not needed here, everything came to a head. Just days ago, a massive piercing shriek come from an untraceable source, over the horizon was a flash of light and then a shimmering ripple that seemed to come from a central point. It was as if a magical curtain was drawn back, revealing the void anchor off our coast. This magic had the signature of Najena on it, I felt it."You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Why would Najena being in danger concern you? Does she have a part to play in all of this?"Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "She does. She has. I can tell you this. Munzok has come and he is most likely here for Najena! She had possession of the Rune of Theer. Knowing her ways, she was most likely meddling where she ought not to. "You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Who is Munzok? "Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "His touch was felt once on this land previously. Our ancient texts tell us he is the right hand man to the one who is behind all of this. He is supposedly the greatest of the shadowed men, and has incredible powers to control the minds of those who follow. Najena is in trouble and I can tell you, she most likely has something Munzok wants, or he wouldn't have parked his anchor off the coast of Lavastorm. I have tried to speak to some of the Najenaar and they only seem to show distress on their faces and will say very little. But the ones out here appear to be trapped out here, thus meaning something is terribly amiss within Najena's chambers."You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "So your saying someone needs to go inside and rescue her??"Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "I believe it would require a small army to infiltrate her sanctum. It appears that everything within her realm has turned against her. Although this is only my guess…Should her Everdark Mauls actually be the ones you must fight…well let me say they have great powers and numbers. Not to mention the rumors of the Great Elementals within her Ward of Elements. Which is where I believe her to be held up."You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Great Elementals?"Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "The legends tell that Najena has taken upon her self to surround herself with four Great Elementals. Though I know not their names, they are powerful. These elementals are a rogues gallery of such, and quite nasty. Not to mention Grush."You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Grush? Who or what is Grush? "Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "Captain Grush, the captain of the Everdarks. He is said to be invulnerable to most of the elements and quite powerful. I cannot tell you what other dangers you would face within Najena's Ward of Elements, I do fear she is in grave danger. Do you have an army that could face the dangers within?"You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "I do have such an army!"Farminh Al'Ladar says to you, "You must seek out Najena, make sure she is alive and what ever magic these beasts are after is secure. Something tells me this is just the smallest of beginnings. Something also tells me, should you stir this pot of hornets; a very large threat could come upon us all. Which would mean the fate of this land would be upon you!"You say to Farminh Al'Ladar, "Right! No pressure! I assemble my army and storm the Ward of Elements!"For the record, Grush was once known as <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3544" target="_blank">Officer Grush</a>. But there's no records that i'm aware of regarding Munzok. If this NPC is to be believed, Munzok is the strongest of all Shadowmen.Other NPCs reveal that Najena is part of the Order of Flame, and as a member is devoted to preventing the void invasion. She is not in cahoots with the void creatures.

WarreSammontakoja

02-23-2009, 04:06 AM

Xalmat

02-23-2009, 06:59 PM

<cite>Hiiri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think Anashti has been killed in 2 servers now. Everfrost by Exordium and Guk by Ne Plus Ultra so maybe things clear up soon</blockquote>Yup. So we can consider the Najena story to occur after Anashti Sul's defeat then.

Cusashorn

02-23-2009, 09:52 PM

2 servers doesn't equal the majority of the game though.

Xalmat

02-23-2009, 10:04 PM

In any case, we probably won't know the complete story until someone clears out the x2 and x4 raid zones. The NPC who's dialog I posted gives an item that can only be used in Munzok's dungeon (I forget the exact name), so it's clear that the Void anchor will lead to Munzok.Although it would be interesting if Anashti Sul were personally involved, it seems unlikely. She has a lot to deal with already, what with the Ethernauts twarting her plans, and suddenly finding herself able to appear on Norrath at will.

Giraku

02-24-2009, 12:31 PM

Now I have not been able to complete the X2 raid on test yet, however; I do know that an ogre of Nejena's entraps her; demanding the "Objects she scorcered up" I also know that Munzok's Anchor is sealed unless a character is level100 or up. This may jsut be a temporary thing, but it will be interesting to see.

ke'la

02-25-2009, 08:27 PM

<cite>Giraku@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now I have not been able to complete the X2 raid on test yet, however; I do know that an ogre of Nejena's entraps her; demanding the "Objects she scorcered up" I also know that Munzok's Anchor is sealed unless a character is level100 or up. This may jsut be a temporary thing, but it will be interesting to see.</blockquote>Have you noticed the Epic Quest in the tunel to the elevator that there is an EPIC quest that rewards an item that Raises your "Effective Level" to 83, if used as part of a quest in a certain zone... is it possable that it is through that quest serris that you get the "Effective Level" of 100 and are then able to enter the zone... kinda like Harclave's buff made you the equivilant of a heroic mob.

Xalmat

02-25-2009, 08:56 PM

That item you speak of raises your effective level to 83, if you are level 80, 81, or 82, and can only be used if you are level 80 or higher. My guess is that it's a requirement to have that item in order to raid the new x4 zone due to mob level.

Rainmare

03-01-2009, 08:23 AM

from what I'm gathering, it looks like after we beat najena in HT, she runs to her inner sactum area...and continues her research into the Rune of Theer's powers. it seems she's coming close to finding a way to counter or negate Void influnece/powers/energy what have you.Her last experiment sends some kind of major magical shockwave, that gets Theer and his/her/its minion's attention, and they send Munzok, supposedly the most powerful Shadowedman, to deal with her. and in typical Void style, he's simply has subverted Najena's minions and most powerful protectors against her.Our job then becomes to go rescue Najena from her own creations and minions, to probably find out what exactly she's done/uncovered that's gotten the attention of Theer, who seems to be a much bigger power in the Void then we might have thought.I'm looking forward to it. perhaps we'll deal with Nagafen as well...since I bet Naggy isn't exactly going to be just twiddling his claws hoping the Void doesn't come after him...and we do owe him a favor, after all.

shadowscale

03-01-2009, 08:57 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>and we do owe him a favor, after all.</blockquote>two actualy. one for accesing DT and the ohter for bypassing the fire wall.

Cusashorn

03-01-2009, 01:48 PM

If you go talk to Nagafen after doing the prismatic line, Deathtoll Line, and the fire part inside Deathtoll, he mentions that we're even and I don't think anyone owes anyone anything. He probably would have called in the favor by now if we did. I mean all he would have to do is send his minions and messangers to retrieve us... by force if he had to.

ke'la

03-01-2009, 08:35 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you go talk to Nagafen after doing the prismatic line, Deathtoll Line, and the fire part inside Deathtoll, he mentions that we're even and I don't think anyone owes anyone anything. He probably would have called in the favor by now if we did. I mean all he would have to do is send his minions and messangers to retrieve us... by force if he had to.</blockquote>True he did owe us big after the outcome of the Prismatic Line... and I don't think egg shells would cover that dept.

Cusashorn

03-01-2009, 09:25 PM

I remember him telling us that all debts are paid in full, and that neither side owes anyone anything after all 3 times. I'd rather not see him get involved with the void line anyway. That whole crud about Tarinax and Wuoshi is enough as it is.... I mean, MAYBE if they were to do something such as have us actually fight off the shadowmen side by side with him, that would be cool, but I doubt he'd need our help.

ke'la

03-02-2009, 01:06 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember him telling us that all debts are paid in full, and that neither side owes anyone anything after all 3 times. I'd rather not see him get involved with the void line anyway. That whole crud about Tarinax and Wuoshi is enough as it is.... I mean, MAYBE if they were to do something such as have us actually fight off the shadowmen side by side with him, that would be cool, but I doubt he'd need our help.</blockquote>Unless they where able to corupt Wuoshi... then him MIGHT need our help... assuming he could get his fat behind out of Sol Eye... doesn't the lore say he is trapped down there... which is why he didn't personally take care of the other issues.::EDIT::Not to insinuate that he is to wide to fit through the door, I assume like all dragons he can shapeshift into a smaller form... I mean Trapped, as in sealed in by the other dragons.

Lodrelhai

03-02-2009, 10:09 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>That depends. The original void anchors in Lesser Faydark, Feerrott, and Moors of Ykesha were part of Anashti Sul's plan to invade Norrath. Anashti Sul however is (theoretically, as the raid boss hasn't been beaten yet AFAIK) defeated before this new anchor in Lavastorm appears. And before that could happen, we already took back the one Rune of Theer from her and used the Staff of Theer to destroy the anchors.</blockquote>I suspect there is more than one faction within the ranks of the Shadow Men - either that or since Anashti discovered she can come back to Norrath as a diety, her plans to destroy the place got sidelined, and now there's a core of Shadow Men who want to stick to the original plan with or without the bosslady. (This assumes the Lavastorm invasion is supposed to be after her defeat in the Void.)If that's the case, I'm not sure the Obelisk of Lost Souls belongs to her. From either the second or third quest in her diety line:(After you talk to Plumetor Dul'Sadma about how to raise the Sul'Dal as an army to serve Anashti Sul)You say to Plumetor Dul'Sadma, "I will carry out Anashti Sul's wishes. Is there more I can do?"Plumetor Dul'Sadma/a says to you, "As a matter of fact, there is. Anashti Sul spoke to me of another army, one that she amassed in the confines of the Void during her imprisonment there. With her connection to the Void severed, they cannot follow her to this world, and thus cannot fight with her. She says that other members of this race have found their way into Norrath, and have established conduits that they might pass through. We must collect these reality anchors from these pockets, so that Anashti Sul might be able to create one of these dimensional rifts herself, allowing her army to pass through as she commands."You say to Plumetor Dul'Sadma, "I will go to prepare her armies, then. I will return once I have carried out her wishes."Plumetor Dul'Sadma says to you, "You are proving to be quite the industrious little feather. Go now, and I await your return."You say to Plumetor Dul'Sadma, "Until we meet again."Once you rejoin the spirits and bones of the Sul'Dal, you go to the Obelisk of Lost Souls to get the anchor pieces there. So that Obelisk, at least, belongs to others of the same race, not to Anashti's servants. Whether that outpost and its denizens were never part of her forces, or were abandoned in time past (it's certainly in bad shape), or split off to continue the conquest/devastation/devouring of Norrath without Anashti, it's maintaining its contact with Norrath independent of her. My guess is Theer/Munzok are likewise independent of her, and so she will not be part of the Lavastorm invasion.Short version, defeating Anashti Sul did NOT end the Void threat. It may not have even made a significant difference in it.

shadowscale

03-02-2009, 01:29 PM

Xalmat

03-02-2009, 01:58 PM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Short version, defeating Anashti Sul did NOT end the Void threat. It may not have even made a significant difference in it.</blockquote>So what you're saying is that, even by defeating Anashti Sul, breaking her ties to the Void, and releasing her back into Norrath, she still has the ability to command her Void army.Interesting, to say the least. Though I doubt she will be willing to outright destroy Norrath anymore, she could still wreak havoc by summoning Void portals of her own and calling her army. It still makes me wonder if Munzok is receiving orders from Anashti Sul directly, or acting out on his own accord...

Cusashorn

03-02-2009, 02:48 PM

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember him telling us that all debts are paid in full, and that neither side owes anyone anything after all 3 times. I'd rather not see him get involved with the void line anyway. That whole crud about Tarinax and Wuoshi is enough as it is.... I mean, MAYBE if they were to do something such as have us actually fight off the shadowmen side by side with him, that would be cool, but I doubt he'd need our help.</blockquote>according to the text in the compleated part of my journal about the DT accses, we are indeed still in dept.</blockquote>Ahh, really? Hmm. It's been so long since I did the DT access, I thought we paid off a debt of his... But now that i think about it further, we were asking him for access, weren't we? He didn't want anything from inside.Ok, that changes thinks. We should save his butt. ><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lodrelhai

03-02-2009, 07:33 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Short version, defeating Anashti Sul did NOT end the Void threat. It may not have even made a significant difference in it.</blockquote>So what you're saying is that, even by defeating Anashti Sul, breaking her ties to the Void, and releasing her back into Norrath, she still has the ability to command her Void army.Interesting, to say the least. Though I doubt she will be willing to outright destroy Norrath anymore, she could still wreak havoc by summoning Void portals of her own and calling her army. It still makes me wonder if Munzok is receiving orders from Anashti Sul directly, or acting out on his own accord...</blockquote>Actually what I'm saying is that either a) there are void beings who's plans to attack Norrath are independent from Anashti Sul's, or b) her troops, or at least some of them, have decided to continue with the original plan regardless of whether Anashti is there or still wants to do it. Yes, she can command her troops once she can bring them through, but not all the Shadow Men follow her.So I think Munzok's acting on his own accord - or more precisely, Theer is and sent Munzok.

Compas

03-15-2009, 03:31 PM

Actually with Najena beseiged on all sides, by a force that powerful how can Nagafen not get involved either directly or indirectly. Nagafen is a master tactician and Stratagist his lack of involvment would really indicate his inability to project himself outside of lavastorm and specfically Sol eye. Again we will have to see what is done with this. Najena is of course our Dues Ex Machina to deal with the current catastrophy impending on Norath so her success is gauranteed in the overall scheme of things since they are not going to just say opps you lost and unplug the servers. Also the Avatar of Flames manafests in Lavastorm, one might think that Sol Ro might also get involved as well since he also has a histroy of antagonizmim with the shadowed me but only time will tell on that one. Compas80 NecromancerUnrest

Xalmat

03-15-2009, 06:00 PM

Hmm, it occured to me, while Solusek Ro has no official enemies as of yet (preferring to remain neutral in disputes, despite having a friendly rivalry with Mithaniel Marr), since Anashti Sul is allied with the Shadowed Men does that make Anashti Sul an enemy of Solusek Ro?

Cusashorn

03-16-2009, 12:58 AM

<cite>Compas wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually with Najena beseiged on all sides, by a force that powerful how can Nagafen not get involved either directly or indirectly. Nagafen is a master tactician and Stratagist his lack of involvment would really indicate his inability to project himself outside of lavastorm and specfically Sol eye. Again we will have to see what is done with this. Najena is of course our Dues Ex Machina to deal with the current catastrophy impending on Norath so her success is gauranteed in the overall scheme of things since they are not going to just say opps you lost and unplug the servers. Also the Avatar of Flames manafests in Lavastorm, one might think that Sol Ro might also get involved as well since he also has a histroy of antagonizmim with the shadowed me but only time will tell on that one. Compas80 NecromancerUnrest</blockquote>As with all Dragonkind, the question is: Why?Why should he get himself involved with the affairs of all lesser beings on Norrath? Even if he realizes what it could mean should the mortals fail to defeat the invasion, he still has no reason to get involved.

Coniaric

03-16-2009, 04:57 PM

Because he choose to.As with all the Dragonkind, we may ask them why but we may not like the answer.Once before, the Ring of Scale involved themselves in the affairs of the "lesser races" in the first known encounter with the Void. With all things behind-the-scene, we don't know what is going on ... other than events that we're directly involved in.