Someone please post TSO AA builds by progression

[Lve2raft]

<p>Hi All,</p><p>It seems that Sarafan is no longer with us as he has not updated his AA build thread as indicated. I am a newer necro and really could make use of some updates here with the expansion of TSO...what to do in the Shadow tree etc, and when to get them. I have an AA mirror, so would like multiple build options. </p><p>Barring that, can someone post the highest DPS build group/raid?Thanks!</p>

[Minraja]

<p>I'm not sure if this is the best build, but this seems the most logical route to take. I'll leave it for the others to critique it.</p><p>In the general tree I choose Hearty constition and enhanced mind.     10points</p><p>In mage tree I choose Strike of the mage, Enhance:Master strikes, and Bewilderment     11points</p><p>In the summoner tree I choose Minion's critical strike, Pet weaponry mastery, Summoners soothing,  and Minions mark     16points</p><p>In the necromancer tree I choose Minions pact, Archlich's lifetap, Stench of blood, Disease mastery, Wrath of the undead servant  19points</p><p>With the remaining four points I dumped them into Runic protection for more health.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>I would consider Dimensional Storage, with 4 points in Summoner Soothing, instead of Runic Protection.</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would consider Dimensional Storage, with 4 points in Summoner Soothing, instead of Runic Protection.</p></blockquote><p>If Dimensional Storage wasn't completely worthless sure.</p><p>Use Bloodpact to protect your pets from AE.  Dimensional Storage is a complete waste of points.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would consider Dimensional Storage, with 4 points in Summoner Soothing, instead of Runic Protection.</p></blockquote><p>If Dimensional Storage wasn't completely worthless sure.</p><p>Use Bloodpact to protect your pets from AE.  Dimensional Storage is a complete waste of points.</p></blockquote><p>wow xil back to your bad advice giving huh?</p><p>  actually dimensinal storage is a good aa for necros with out myth and since op is a newer necro i would say that includes them.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Dimensional Storage is useful <em>with</em> mythical as well. You never know when it can die to a random AoE, or by accidentally pulling aggro off a bad tank (which is all the time with the Mythical).</p><p>Getting back in the action instantly, as opposed to waiting 10 seconds and contributing virtually 0 DPS in the mean time, is well worth the investment.</p>

[Xil]

<p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dimensional Storage is useful <em>with</em> mythical as well. You never know when it can die to a random AoE, or by accidentally pulling aggro off a bad tank (which is all the time with the Mythical).</p><p>Getting back in the action instantly, as opposed to waiting 10 seconds and contributing virtually 0 DPS in the mean time, is well worth the investment.</p></blockquote><p>Bloodpact keeps your pet alive through AE's.  And the points you spend to get Bloodpact are actually useful to you.</p><p>Dimensional Storage is a complete waste because it doesn't save buffs.  You have to rebuff your pet to make it useful again.  So it's just like you have to recast your pet anyway.  Pretty pointless.</p><p>To get dimensional storage you have to give up 5 points you could be spending on AA's that give you DPS.  You are already limited to just barely enough AA's to get all the DPS benefits in Shadows.  And if you spend AA's in shadows correctly you are even 1 point short on AA's that add DPS.</p><p>It's all around a waste of AA's.  If you pet is dieing it's because you are not spec'd right and/or don't know how to use Bloodpact to keep your pet alive.</p><p>Mythical or not Dimensional storage is useless even with a solo spec you are better off using those 5 points in other places like Feign Death and Pet HPs.</p>

[Alienor]

I am not totally convinced when checking in what kind of abilities you have to dump - what? - 20 points to get Bloodpact. Are these really justified?

[Xil]

<p><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I am not totally convinced when checking in what kind of abilities you have to dump - what? - 20 points to get Bloodpact. Are these really justified?</blockquote><p>Consumption and Revive are actually useful.  Where else are you going to put these points?</p><p>If you are soloing it's Manipulations and Tainted heals if you are Grouping it's Pacts and Bloodpact.  It's pretty straight forward.</p><p>Chains, Dispell, Mark, Fear, Plot... none of these do anything for you in a group.  Why would you put points in them?  At least in Pacts you can Make Hearts refresh faster get your revive up to 40% power and health, and max out consumption, which is actually useful.  Consumption adds quite a bit of DPS to your pet.  If you don't have 5 points in it yer pet's DPS is gimped by almost 20%.</p><p>And then with Bloodpact your craptastic pets won't die anymore to AE's.</p><p>Seriously if you're a Necro and you don't have Bloodpact, you're not doing yourself or your group any favors.  Your pet will die constantly and you will do almost no DPS because when your pet is dead those Nox debuffs that actually allow Necro to sustain a decent amount of DPS come down.  Nevermind the time it takes to recast a pet and rebuff it.  That loss of Nox debuffs for any amount of time is a MASSIVE nerf to your sustained DPS.  That is why keeping your pet alive is so important.</p><p>Dimensional Storage doesn't keep those debuffs going.  Pact takes 30 seconds to re-apply after it comes down. So it's worthless to us.  End of story.</p>

[Alienor]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation, pretty obvious now. I am *so* used to solo and tainted heals that I not even thought about dropping that for my group setup <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Inggy]

<p><cite>Xil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>At least in Pacts you can Make Hearts refresh faster get <span style="text-decoration: underline;">your revive up to 40% power and health</span>, and max out consumption, which is actually useful.  Consumption adds quite a bit of DPS to your pet.  If you don't have 5 points in it yer pet's DPS is gimped by almost 20%.</p></blockquote><p>I know its been awhile since I've played my Necro but with Master Revication + AA's it should be 48% power and health iirc.  One of the better rez's out there IMO.</p><p>O</p>

[Garlin1]

<p>I agree, get pact if you want to DPS in groups.  If your gonna raid its a must!  Once you get your mythical its not so much a big deal anymore.  Pet has enough hp to take a AE and half the time your proc is gonna be up so the pet will avoid any non-direct AES.</p>

[Dedma]

<p><cite>Garlin1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree, get pact if you want to DPS in groups.  If your gonna raid its a must!  Once you get your mythical its not so much a big deal anymore.  Pet has enough hp to take a AE and half the time your proc is gonna be up so the pet will avoid any non-direct AES.</p></blockquote><p>A lot of Raid content still makes use of bloodpact when you have a mythical because of the conditional AE's and the DoT AE's.</p><p>Like the first snake in Tomb or the Stalker in Ykesha's.   You can use bloodpact to counter the conditional damage.  First DOT that needs to be cured comes up you hit bloodpact and when the condition is up instead of your pet exploding, the damage is blocked and you can turn off bloodpact and wait for the next.</p><p>And there are also quite a few other AE's in RoK content, Hate, and TSO that will one shot your Mythical pet as well.</p><p>Bloodpact is incredibley more useful that dimentional storage.  Maybe if dimentional storage saved stances and buffs that would be different but even then, it would still only be effective for a single AE and how many raid or group mobs that AE hard, only AE once during the fight?</p>

[Shailas]

<p>Bloodpact is  exceptionally useful and I certainly recommend it.  It helps get the pets through the AE's and not hard to maintain health since you're dishing out lifetaps anyway.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p>not sure how this became a DS against pacts thread..    both are good abilitys every raiding necro has pacts(since T7) and if you don't have a myth or have a problem with pet death DS is a great option as well.   tbh there realy isin't much else to take in the TSO tree.</p>

[Mew]

<p>Bloodpact is generally a better bet, IMO.  However, I only use BP on my raid spec.   Dimensional might be useful in a group setting where I don't have BP but I still think the points are more useful to me elsewhere.  I guess it depends on play style. </p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Bloodpact is generally a better bet, IMO.  However, I only use BP on my raid spec.   Dimensional might be useful in a group setting where I don't have BP but I still think the points are more useful to me elsewhere.  I guess it depends on play style. </p></blockquote><p> bloodpact is a must it's not better,  two different and completely independant abilitys no clue why people are compering them.  DS is probly better for conj since   pet>conj  thus not having a pet will hurt the conj alot more then necros.    the choices are between   Dimensional Storage, Minions Contitution and Minions Pact  IF your main purpose to max DPS out put.    DS= a brand new pet with 100% HP at the touch of a button MS= 5% more HP for the pet   myth pet in raid =  about 10k hp 5% of that is 500 hp    master pet in raid= about 3.5khp 5% of that is 175HP MP= adds 20% to your pets nox debuff or aobut 290 extra debuff</p><p>  so with all the info i tend to think that having a brand new pet incase a miss a dot kills the pet or the pet get's drained of power is the best choice.    the extra 500 HP wont save the pet from insta death if a dot is missed or if the pet is out of range of BP  and with all the debuffs in raid the 290 extra debuff will amount to at best an extra 5dmg if that.      </p><p>  of course this is if your main goal is to dos the most DMG possible if your looking into AA with utillity like hearts or FD then your focus is not dps and thus DS does not match your needs.</p>

[evhallion]

<p>Sorry for being gone so long, RL and all of that. Anyhow I did update my AA builds for TSO but they are too big to post in my sticky thread. I guess I'll have to edit them down later. For the time being though you can view them in my personal "Necro FAQ" document I have slowly been working on. It's not a finished product and was mainly made for personal and guild use only. Hopefully though it may be of some help to some of you. Here it is:</p><p><a href="http://vae-victus.net/docs/necro-faq.pdf">http://vae-victus.net/docs/necro-faq.pdf</a></p>

[Shailas]

<p>I certainly was not trying to compare bloodpact and dimentional storage, they're not really comparable.  They're both useful abilitys that have their place depending on what you're looking to do.</p>