Erollisi Marr

[Ironfeld]

<p>With the looks of the Erollisi quests, could it be possibly that they may be bringing Erollisi Marr back as a diety in the near future?  Just a curious question is all, the path seems to kind of follow the same path as the murdered priestess for Rodcet Nife.  Thoughts on it if anybody cares to post.</p>

[therodge]

<p>i disagree, erroselli day quests have come in every year, i would love to have eroselli marr as a deity i just dont think it will be in soon (tm)</p>

[Arianah]

<p>Erollisi Marr's story is kind of different from the return of any of the other gods, it's not a prophet of hers that is missing, but Erollisi herself. To me, it seems like we'll either never see her as a deity we'll be able to choose, or we'll unlock her by rescuing her from whatever fate has befallen her.</p><p>Listening to the latest podcast lead me to believe there's hope.</p><p>We also learn this year that she is not only the goddess of love, but also the goddess of the hunt. So she's Aphrodite and Artemis all in one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>She is the last remaining major Good god that can return to the game. When that happens, the dieties will finally be balanced out evenly (neutral and evil have 1 more than good).</p><p>However... after she returns... well... That's kind of it. There arn't many other major gods that have yet to return who arn't good or evil. If they were to delve into demi-gods and Lesser Gods like Morrel Thule, Terris Thule, Saryrn, or Tholluxe Paells, well there's almost nothing left for Good influence dieties go. Many more for neutral, including the entire Ro family, and many for Evil, namely the Zek family.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>you forgot veeshan, would be a major netural god. if velous ever gets added im hopeing she comes with it.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you forgot veeshan, would be a major netural god. if velous ever gets added im hopeing she comes with it.</p></blockquote><p>I never made any mention of major neutral gods in my post... nor did I intend to bring them up. This is about Good gods.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She is the last remaining major Good god that can return to the game. When that happens, the dieties will finally be balanced out evenly (neutral and evil have 1 more than good).</p><p>However... after she returns... well... That's kind of it. There arn't many other major gods that have yet to return who arn't good or evil. If they were to delve into demi-gods and Lesser Gods like Morrel Thule, Terris Thule, Saryrn, or Tholluxe Paells, well there's almost nothing left for Good influence dieties go. Many more for neutral, including the entire Ro family, and many for Evil, namely the Zek family.</p></blockquote><p>Hoe you aren't saying Morrel is bad, he's not.  He is simply the god of Dreams opposed by the goddess of Nightmares so he would be as easily good as neutral...regardless of his parentage.</p>

[GrunEQ]

<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">I'm going to be extremely upset if they have killed off Erollisi Marr and we never get a chance to have her as a goddess.  By the sound of the Swornlove/Sister quest line with the additional info from the void quest in Everfrost....it's looking very bleak.  I am hopeful that all that is going to be required is a rescue of some sort in the future.....the near future...like by the next expansion.</span></p>

[Kamimura]

<p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p>

[FreaklyCreak]

<p><cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p></blockquote><p>Ulkorruuk??</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Oakmiser@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p></blockquote><p>Ulkorruuk??</p></blockquote><p>Could be, and no, I was not saying Morrel Thule was an evil god. If anything, he's the only good god that could be added after Erollisi.</p>

[Arianah]

<p><cite>Oakmiser@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p></blockquote><p>Ulkorruuk??</p></blockquote><p>The daughter of hate is Lanys, isn't it?</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Kairah@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oakmiser@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p></blockquote><p>Ulkorruuk??</p></blockquote><p>The daughter of hate is Lanys, isn't it?</p></blockquote><p>yes she is. althogh if Ulkorruuk has anything to do with Innorruk then would make more sence. lanys is demigodess of envy while Ulkorruuk is betrayal.</p>

[valkry]

<p>Ok, Cusa, where does Prexus fit in your arguement?</p><p>I can't find any old sites listing the Ocean Lord as a nuetral god. And stronger arguements could be made that he is a good god (unlike other non-EQ mythos where oceans are nuetral). He is allied w/ Rodcet & Tunare and has a great dislike for Bertoxxulous. He was also worshipable by a very limited race/class combos in EQ1... but I'm pretty sure the half-elven bard was a completely good class. There is also the newbie FP quest series where the players are working to twart the return of the Traveller. Can't see why the evil citizens would work to prevent the return of a nuetral deity, unlike a true good god.</p><p>Granted I want BOTH Prexus & Erollisi back.</p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>valkry wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, Cusa, where does Prexus fit in your arguement?</p><p>I can't find any old sites listing the Ocean Lord as a nuetral god. And stronger arguements could be made that he is a good god (unlike other non-EQ mythos where oceans are nuetral). He is allied w/ Rodcet & Tunare and has a great dislike for Bertoxxulous. He was also worshipable by a very limited race/class combos in EQ1... but I'm pretty sure the half-elven bard was a completely good class. There is also the newbie FP quest series where the players are working to twart the return of the Traveller. Can't see why the evil citizens would work to prevent the return of a nuetral deity, unlike a true good god.</p><p>Granted I want BOTH Prexus & Erollisi back.</p></blockquote><p>I believe Prexus was a neutral god in EQ1. As for the newbie FP quest, they are not working to keep Prexus from coming back. The sunken city was destroyed by a fanatical follower.. which is what one of the inquisitors is trying to do again, to the whole of FP. You're trying to stop FP from being destroyed, not keeping Prexus away. Also, way back when we had to do quests to become our class/subclass.. it was either the cleric quest or the inquisitor quest which had you facing a bunch of altars that did damage to you.. one of those altars was for Prexus. I'm willing to bet that when he is brought back, he is done so as a neutral god.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>Y'know, it occurs to me...it's a five-quest chain, pet gained in late stage, cloak at the end...</p><p>Kinda like a Deity quest chain.</p><p>Just sayin'...</p>

[Seidhkona]

<p>Has anyone transcribed the quest dialogs for this year's Erollisi quests yet? Seeing the whole thing in context, good and evil, might help the discussion.</p><p>I need the Queen of Love back! I have a whole chapel devoted to Erollisi. Heck, I have a whole GUILD devoted to Erollisi now.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>EDIT:</strong></span> I went ahead and <a href="http://roseknights.yuku.com/reply/10/t/Lore-of-Erollisi.html#reply-10" target="_blank">transcribed the good-side conversations</a>. SInce I know not everyone wants spoilers, they're stuck on the Order of the Rose of Erollisi website for reference.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>valkry wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok, Cusa, where does Prexus fit in your arguement?</p><p>I can't find any old sites listing the Ocean Lord as a nuetral god. And stronger arguements could be made that he is a good god (unlike other non-EQ mythos where oceans are nuetral). He is allied w/ Rodcet & Tunare and has a great dislike for Bertoxxulous. He was also worshipable by a very limited race/class combos in EQ1... but I'm pretty sure the half-elven bard was a completely good class. There is also the newbie FP quest series where the players are working to twart the return of the Traveller. Can't see why the evil citizens would work to prevent the return of a nuetral deity, unlike a true good god.</p><p>Granted I want BOTH Prexus & Erollisi back.</p></blockquote><p>He was officially a neutral god on the Sullon Zek and Firiona Vie servers in EQlive. Anyone on Sullon Zek who picked Prexus (which was limited ONLY to Erudites who started in Erudin, and Half Elf Warriors, and Human, Half Elf, and Wood Elf Bards.... but they can worship any non-evil god, so that's not saying much) found themselves on the Yellow PVP team along with everyone else on the server who chose a neutral god. Those who worshipped Mithanial Marr, Erollisi Marr, Quellious, Tunare, or Rodcet Nife was on the Blue Good team. Anyone who worshipped Rallos Zek, Innoruuk, Bertoxulous, or Cazic Thule was on the Red Evil Team. Every other god was neutral.</p><p>Half Elves have always been considered a neutral race, since Half Elf warriors could worship Innoruuk as a diety. It's just that most of thier starting cities had cultures that reflected good intentions.</p><p>Bards have always been considered a neutral class since they could worship any diety other than the evil gods. This was mostly a game mechanic, but the League of Antonican Bards all decided for better or worse to generally help the citizens of Qeynos, Freeport, and Kelethin in EQlive. Freeport was still neutral back then too.</p><p>Same applied to the Firiona Vie roleplaying server, where everyone was forced to worship a diety, since agnosticism was not permited. For that reason alone, they changed the Vah Shir to worship Tunare instead of being Agnostic, and Qeynos Monks to worship Veeshan instead of being agnostic.</p><p>And oceans ARE neutral. Many sailors across Norrath (in all three games) can attest to getting caught up in devastating storms that would sink thier ships and take the lives of thier shipmates. What is so good about that? It's just another element and force of nature. Karana himself is most certainly a good-minded diety who cares about his followers, but his element is purely neutral, as anyone can use the weather for destructive purposes. From a lore perspective, it's the reason why Karana is a neutral diety in this game. (The other reason being to give evil healers a diety they can use.)</p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Has anyone transcribed the quest dialogs for this year's Erollisi quests yet? Seeing the whole thing in context, good and evil, might help the discussion.</p><p>I need the Queen of Love back! I have a whole chapel devoted to Erollisi. Heck, I have a whole GUILD devoted to Erollisi now.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>EDIT:</strong></span> I went ahead and <a href="http://roseknights.yuku.com/reply/10/t/Lore-of-Erollisi.html#reply-10" target="_blank">transcribed the good-side conversations</a>. SInce I know not everyone wants spoilers, they're stuck on the Order of the Rose of Erollisi website for reference.</p></blockquote><p>Let me clean up my log for the evil side. The most interesting bit I already posted, but you are right it may help to see the big picture of it all.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kairah@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oakmiser@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From doing the evil side of the Erollisi quest, we are given this information when Innoruuk speaks to us.."The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin. Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifting, just the same. I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</p></blockquote><p>Ulkorruuk??</p></blockquote><p>The daughter of hate is Lanys, isn't it?</p></blockquote><p>yes she is. althogh if Ulkorruuk has anything to do with Innorruk then would make more sence. lanys is demigodess of envy while Ulkorruuk is betrayal.</p></blockquote><p>I've been afraid of the idea that Ulkorruuk either is or is responsable for the dissapearance of Errollisi for quite a while now. The description of the placement of her shrine in the temple of the forsaken forshadows this. Now with the new lore from the live event...it doesn't look good for Errollisi or her worshipers.</p><p>I'm betting they will string us along for another year before we get any more answers.</p>

[Kamimura]

<p>Lots of text here.. spoilers for the evil side of the Erollisi quests, so scroll on by if you don't want to see just yet..You say, "Hail, Landax Z'Torzin"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Do you see those harlots of love?  What are they doing off their isle?  They have no business here!"You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "I don't know why they are here."Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Ah, but you are the perfect one to find out!  Do not deny it, you have been identified as giving aid to the Swornloves, the self proclaimed Priests of Love."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "I deny nothing.  I love to hate!"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "That is delicious!  I shall remember that... maybe stitch it into some fabric to hang in my grotto."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Thank you."Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "So, you are willing to investigate the dark dealings of the goodly priests and the island witches?" You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "I am."Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Excellent!  I can only assume that they are working with the goodly priests planning some despicable retribution for our successful campaign of Hate."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "What campaign was that?"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Do you not recall?  A shard of Innoruuk's glorious plane of Hate was opened to mortals, and the tide of hate that it released washed over all of Norrath!"You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Oh, that campaign of Hate!"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Yes.  A shining moment for the Prince of Hate!  And I for one do not wish to see these witches soiling it now."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Neither do I."Landax Z'Torzin/a says to you, "Know that if you accept this mission of treachery and hate, that you will be expected to travel deep within the City of Hate, Neriak.  If you are not up to that, it's best that you say so now."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "I can enter Neriak.  No problem."Landax Z'Torzin/a says to you, "Delicious!  Since you have already played nice with the Priests of Love, I suggest you start with them.  Speak with them and see what you can learn about the Sisters of Erollisi and their intentions here."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Gladly!"You say, "Hail, Priest Aaronolis Swornlove"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "I have heard of you, Madrigal.  My sister spoke highly of your acts of love in Freeport.  And now you see why it is that I summoned her to this very spot.  We have some important visitors from the island village of Tearfall.  They are part of the Sisterhood of Erollisi, but I dare not tell their story nor speak about their intentions to someone that they do not yet trust."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "How can I gain their trust?"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "First, you must honor their dedication to love and selflessness.  You have proven yourself to me in this field, but they must see it for themselves."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "I can do that!"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "Very good.  I suggest you venture into the Enchanted Lands.  There you will find roses to give to other adventurers.  Give them away with no desire for gifts in return.  Once you have accomplished this, return to this spot."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "I will not disappoint you!"You say, "Hail, Priest Aaronolis Swornlove"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "You have taken your first step towards earning the trust of the Sisters of Erollisi."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "What more can I do to gain their trust?"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "Next you must honor their dedication to the hunt.  Erollisi is more than just the Goddess of Love.  She is the Goddess of the Hunt, too.  We tend to focus on her loving and passionate characteristics, but as you can see, the Sisterhood holds Erollisi's skills of tracking and bow hunting equal to her amorousness."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "You had me at "hunt"!"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "Hunt the elusive harts of the grove.  Bring back six trophies as proof of this accomplishment."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "I will not disappoint you!"You say, "Hail, Priest Aaronolis Swornlove"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "You have done well, Madrigal.  The trophies that you have attained are proof of your appreciation for the hunt."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "Thank you."Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "You have taken another step towards earning the trust of the Sisters of Erollisi."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "What more can I do to gain their trust?"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "For your last step you must cater to one of their most holy of tenets, personal sacrifice.  Your devotion to others is questionable if you are not willing to sacrifice yourself for them."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "How can I prove my willingness to sacrifice myself for others?"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "Be assured, they do not require your death to prove your willingness.  There are many times a day in which you sacrifice your interests or your own safety for that of others."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "That is good to know!"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "Venture to the Thundering Steppes dock and find a situation that can be resolved with your sacrifice."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "I will return."You say, "Hail, Priest Aaronolis Swornlove"Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "The Sisters of Erollisi have found you trustworthy, Madrigal.  Your willingness to sacrifice your own physical safety in order to bring that precarious situation to a close was quite admirable and impressed the Sisters greatly."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "Thank you."Priest Aaronolis Swornlove says to you, "You may now approach them and speak upon the matters that brought them from their island."You say to Priest Aaronolis Swornlove, "Gladly!"You say, "Hail, Sister Katey Dalwynn"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Welcome, beloved child of Norrath.  You have proven yourself worthy of our tale."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "What tale is that, Sister?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Why it is that Mother Aphonia sent our small group across the Ocean of Tears to your lands, of course.  There have been very few instances in these long years that our isolation has been broken.  The last known ship to make this trek from our island village was carrying Shirr...Pardon me, Antonia."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "So, why did she send you here, now?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Concern for Erollisi Marr, Goddess of Marksmanship and Love, sister of The Truthbringer.  We know that something is amiss."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "How do you know?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "The Great Huntress often visited our isle back before all of the gods withdrew, thus forging a very strong connection between our oracles and the goddess and her plane.  Even after the gods had closed off the Planes of Power from mortals, the oracles of our Sisterhood still felt her power and gained intangible messages from our beloved goddess."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Amazing!"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "But the last contact we received from her was one filled with urgency.  The Grand Oracle saw Erollisi leaving her Plane of Love for the Plane of Valor wrapped in grave concern for her twin brother.  The Grand Oracle told several sisters of her vision and returned to her state of meditation. "You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Wait... Weren't the Planes destroyed when the gods withdrew?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Not the prime ones, at any rate. The lesser ones - those of the demi-gods and lesser deities - may have been lost, but the prime planes - such as Hate, Love, Fear, War, and Valor - continue to exist in some form, as they were and are extensions of the gods themselves."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Fascinating!  What happened to Erollisi after she left for Valor?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "It is unknown.  It was a short time after she returned to her meditation that the Grand Oracle was struck mute.  Mute in the tongue and quill.  She could no longer respond to those around her.  No action of her Sisters could bring her out of her silence.  Her days came to a close many years after that, never having shared what had struck her."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "That's terrible."Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "The Grand Oracle must have been witness to something horrific; that we knew.  But whether it was related to our Goddess or the devastation of the cataclysms, we did not know."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Have your oracles seen anything since then?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Naught that would shed light upon the dark absence of our Loving Huntress.  Additionally, the powers that once flowed through our Sisterhood, provided by Erollisi and the strength of Love, have all but ceased."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "The Priests of Love have encountered the same even though Mithaniel has returned."Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Yes, and yet The Truthbringer's beloved sister has remained absent.  We fear for her.  We have come to the lands of men seeking other followers of Erollisi, in hopes of finding more information concerning her.  Unfortunately though, the Priests of Love have no additional information to share."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "There must be others that may have some information."Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "The Priests of Love say that they have exhausted their scholars and seers on this subject.  But wait... You may be on to something.  Followers of a deity that has returned may be the key we need!  Are you willing to help us?  It is for a cause most holy."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Yes, and I think I know who to ask!"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "May the holy siblings watch over your travels, brave one!"You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "I will find out all that I can, Sister Katey."You say, "Hail, Landax Z'Torzin"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "What do those harlots of love have to say, Madrigal?"You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "They miss their goddess.  They are trying to find out why she has not returned like so many others."Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "It is because she is weak!  Hate flows through this world from the Overrealm to the deepest bowels of the Underfoot!  That is why the Prince of Hate returned to his children."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Then why has Quellious or Mithaniel returned?"Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Feh!  The sniveling child and the twin... Yes, it is true that they have returned.  Perhaps it would be useful to know why the goddess of love has remained absent."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "I agree."Landax Z'Torzin says to you, "Travel into the City of Hate.  Seek Priestess V'Despth at the Spires of Innoruuk."You say to Landax Z'Torzin, "Right away."You say, "Hail, Sabstin V'Despth"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "What have we here?  If you have only come to gape upon the unfathomable power and skill of hate, then we will be sure to show it to you, first hand!"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "No.  Landax Z'Torzin, a Disciple of Hate, sent me."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "He was sent to watch the vulgar women from the island of Tearfall.  What message do you carry?"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "They miss their goddess."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "Isn't that delightful!  Their alarm must be increasing as the sands of time continue to fall with still no sign of their wretched huntress."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "And their powers are weakening."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "As we suspected.  Their powers are waning while the powers of hate have been invigorated by the return of our Dark Lord and the subsequent opening of the Shard of Hate."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "Glory to Innoruuk!"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "It may prove to be advantageous to investigate this further.  With the Goddess of Love's prolonged absence, what of her wretched plane?"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "Is Erollisi gone for good?"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "I cannot say.   No priestesses of Hate have ever discerned anything concerning of love, but we have not thought to focus on such a weakness, either.  There is a chance you can assist us.  Are you up to this task?"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "I am!"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "Then you must prepare yourself for what lay ahead.  Venture into Darklight Woods and locate any of Cristanos's treasured Dead.  Silence their blasphemous mouths, permanently!"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "With pleasure!"You say, "Hail, Sabstin V'Despth"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "You have silenced a good count of The Dead, Madrigal."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "I have."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "It was not a question.  I have full knowledge of your accomplishments.  Now you must gather the necessary Hate Blossoms from within Nektulos forest."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "But those plants..."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "I am aware of how difficult this task is due to the nature of the plants.  That is why I am providing you with the Spade of Spite.  Use it to harvest the blossoms from a distance.  Return here once you are done to meditate within the Spires of Innoruuk."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "That's handy!"<em>At this point in the quest I am to meditatie within the spires of Innoruuk. As the good speak with Mithanial, the evil Innoruuk.</em>"You enter this temple, surrounded by my zealous children with lungs full of intoxicating hate and yet, you reek of love!"You say to , "Forgive me, my lord.  I spoke...""Silence!  I am thoroughly aware of your actions and your interests concerning the Marr daughter."You say to , "...""The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin.  Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifying, just the same.  I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."You say to , "The power of hate reigns supreme!"You say, "Hail, Sabstin V'Despth"Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "In a vacuum of love lost, there is little to stop the Disciples of Innoruuk and the power of hate from flourishing."You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "That seems natural."Sabstin V'Despth says to you, "Return now to the harlots of love, and tell them what you have learned.  Revel in their breaking hearts and shattered hopes!"You say to Sabstin V'Despth, "With pleasure."You say, "Hail, Sister Katey Dalwynn"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "What news do you carry, Madrigal?  Have you answers concerning the daughter of Tarew Marr?"You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "I had an experience with the divine!  It is unclear, but I can tell you what I heard."Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "I beg you to!"You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "The voice said, "The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin.""Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "Then it is as we feared.  Something terrible has happened!  The Ocean of Tears will rise when I return to my home with this news."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "What will you do?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "We must not give up on love, compassion, devotion, or sacrifice.  We must continue to hold charity, truth, honor and valor within our lives.  Thank you, Madrigal.  Take this as a token of our appreciation."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "I am glad to have served, dear Sister."You say, "Hail, Landax Z'Torzin"Landax Z'Torzin says, "My heart filled to it's dark capacity at the news that the prissy Marr harlot got what was coming to her!"</p>

[Tsubereru]

<p>One thing I noticed, when they announced the recruit-a-friend stuff, the one horse you can get is a <span >Saryrn Deathcharger. Isn't Saryrn the ex-follower of Erollisi? It just seems a little non-coincidental, you know?</span></p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She is the last remaining major Good god that can return to the game. When that happens, the dieties will finally be balanced out evenly (neutral and evil have 1 more than good).</p><p>However... after she returns... well... That's kind of it. There arn't many other major gods that have yet to return who arn't good or evil. If they were to delve into demi-gods and Lesser Gods like Morrel Thule, Terris Thule, Saryrn, or Tholluxe Paells, well there's almost nothing left for Good influence dieties go. Many more for neutral, including the entire Ro family, and many for Evil, namely the Zek family.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">or Over-God's such as The Nameless, Sorry Cusa had to be added, otherwise you would think I've lost whats left of my marbles! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She is the last remaining major Good god that can return to the game. When that happens, the dieties will finally be balanced out evenly (neutral and evil have 1 more than good).</p><p>However... after she returns... well... That's kind of it. There arn't many other major gods that have yet to return who arn't good or evil. If they were to delve into demi-gods and Lesser Gods like Morrel Thule, Terris Thule, Saryrn, or Tholluxe Paells, well there's almost nothing left for Good influence dieties go. Many more for neutral, including the entire Ro family, and many for Evil, namely the Zek family.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">or Over-God's such as The Nameless, Sorry Cusa had to be added, otherwise you would think I've lost whats left of my marbles! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></span></p></blockquote><p>No, actually the past few months of you not mentioning the Nameless actually made me think you had gone Sane instead. I liked it better that way.</p>

[ke'la]

<p>Now this is probly a completly crazy idea... but maybe this could forshaddow the opening of Tearfall to outsiders?</p><p>First, they remind us of the link between Antonia and the Sisters of Marr, in the good quest. Then they talk about the Oceans of Tears rising up because of this, as well as the waining power of the Sisters in thier gods absence... the fact the Erollisi is in dire sercomstances coupled with their waining powers, and the rise of the power of Hate, maybe enough for them to open thier doors... perhapse as a dare I say... Starting City, not only would it blance the good/evil city count. It would also be a direct counter ballance to Neriak. Tearfall The City of Love, vers Neriak City of Hate... The island around Tearfall would make the new 1-20 area, and being that Tearfall is an Island it would make sence for it to be like Gorowin and have bells to the rest of the old world. Also being that the Sisters of Marr are kinda like the Amazons, and very warry of outsiders it would make sence that Tearfall be next to impossable for Evil toons to move around in... much like Neriak.</p><p>Like I said this is most likly a crazy idea... but wouldn't it be cool if it was the devs plans?</p>

[Eugam]

<p>I dont think its a crazy idea. Personally i think the questline is announcing new content. I rather think it will be higher level though.</p><p>Even the new cloaks on the sisters hint to new content.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Eugam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont think its a crazy idea. Personally i think the questline is announcing new content. I rather think it will be higher level though.</p><p>Even the new cloaks on the sisters hint to new content.</p></blockquote><p>The crazy part is the new Starting City... not that it hints at upcomming content... I think we all can agree it is forshaddowing upcomming content...when we will get it maybe up for discussion(like the Ice Dragon), but not the idea that it is a praylude to future content.</p>

[Jethal]

<p>If Erollisi is discovered to be dead.. I'm going to be Very Upset.. VERY..</p>

[Elquinjena]

<p>No I do not think she is dead, or else all Love in the world would cease..we would not have a Erollisi day at all.</p><p>Someone needs to go record the text from the quest that Mundug Stonefist gives out in Everfrost. The quest is "Love Caught in Time" for the <span style="color: #000000;">Miragul's Phylactery: Scion of Ice</span><span style="color: #000000;"> instance.</span></p><p>In it you have to pick up a fragile wedding veil, an ancient sword (Erasmus) ( word means beloved) and a leather wrapped bow. The last two would be items that Erollisi could have had. ......except the wedding veil ..not sure what to make of that. </p><p>also if those are her items, what the heck was she doing there in first place??</p><p>she is locked away that is for sure, but where or how...maybe as a animal  ( the Roman godess Diana and the Greek goddess Artem were both known for turning others into deer or boars, and them selfs also being able to take the shape of a deer.)   or is frozen some how which would explain why the <span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">Grand Oracle became silent. She being tied to Erollisi so closely also effected her....frozen her...what ever it was, it was something that Mithaniel had no power to stop and still has no <span style="font-family: Verdana;">power to fix but is helpless in what ever happen.<em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A Religious Experience says to you,</span> </em><em><span>"No truer words have I heard. Honor her, and honor her well, Freydisa. Love must not be allowed to decay nor wither. She would be distraught to find love, compassion, devotion, and sacrifice to have rotted away within this plane."You say to the God,</span> </em><em><span>"We miss her, mighty Lord of Valor."A Religious Experience says to you,</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">"A pain I know too well. It's as if a hole were to have been burned within my very core. I will not speak on this any further."</span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">and something not even he will speak of....</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">if this quest has any bearing on what happen...maybe it has something to do with the plane of time as well?so many pieces..and I am never good at puzzles..</span></p>

[Coniaric]

<p>Whatever happened, it bode nothing good for Erollisi. What is supposed to be a happy day for all Norrath (with few exceptions like you-know-who of Hate) bears dire news about the goddess of love and hunt. Thinking out loud:</p><p><em>"But the last contact we received from her was one filled with urgency.  The Grand Oracle saw Erollisi leaving her Plane of Love for the Plane of Valor wrapped in grave concern for her twin brother.  The Grand Oracle told several sisters of her vision and returned to her state of meditation."You say to Sister Katey Dalwynn, "Fascinating!  What happened to Erollisi after she left for Valor?"Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "It is unknown.  It was a short time after she returned to her meditation that the Grand Oracle was struck mute.  Mute in the tongue and quill.  She could no longer respond to those around her.  No action of her Sisters could bring her out of her silence.  Her days came to a close many years after that, never having shared what had struck her."Sister Katey Dalwynn says to you, "The Grand Oracle must have been witness to something horrific; that we knew.  But whether it was related to our Goddess or the devastation of the cataclysms, we did not know."</em></p><p>It appeared Erollisi received some information that concerned her and she set out for her brother's plane and somewhere along that journey she was somehow delayed - captured, imprisoned, or killed perhaps (though, that'll be quite a feat if that's true) - and it must've happened during the age of cataclysms - between the Rending and the Shattering. For all we know, Erollisi's mysterious absence may be partially linked to the Rending or the Shattering.</p><p>Then there is what Innoruuk said: <em>"The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery, sealed the fate of Valor's twin.  Though it was not the initial machination, it was gratifying, just the same.  I only wish I had been present to have witnessed Mithaniel's reaction."</em></p><p>That showed the God of Hate formed a plan - a machination of a sort - but who or what was it intended for in first place? Was this what worried Erollisi and prompted her to travel to her brother's realm? If it wasn't the initial plan, then Erollisi was in wrong place at wrong time. Perhaps Mithaniel was the primary target, or it was someone/something else.</p><p>Also, the title of the daughter of hate is usually reserved for Lanys T'Vyl - assuming she indeed survived the fallout of the Planes collapsing/absorbing back into the primary planes. Admittingly it could have something to do with Ullkorruuk ... now that's a thought ... who was Ullkorruuk originally? Last we knew, she supposedly once was a maiden of Love near Erollisi Marr herself ... then she made a greatest betrayal and was embraced by the powers of Hate. Her name changed to be part of the Hate.</p><p>Would it be so terrible to think: <em>Ullkorruuk</em> was <em>Erollisi Marr</em>?</p><p>I hope not. But you never know. This is only a possilibity ... but I assume there might be a connection between what happened with Ullkorruuk and what happened to Erollisi.</p><p>______________</p><p>The TSO Everfrost quest was about Unna, Erasmus, and Illisia ... barbarians turned humans, touched by Erollisi Marr ... Erollisi appeared to be responsible for turning Illisia away from War to Love. There was no evidence of Love or Erollisi within the Eternal Prism, but these objects were from the people touched by Erollisi.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Elquinjena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No I do not think she is dead, or else all Love in the world would cease..we would not have a Erollisi day at all.</p></blockquote><p>Even though I want to see her back just as much as the rest of us, I want to point out that a god does not need to exist for the emotion itself to exist.</p><p>Consider this: We may not know how much time had passed between when Anashti Sul was banished and when Rodcet Nife became the new God of Healing, but does that mean that nobody could heal or recover from thier wounds in that time frame?</p><p>Many of the Lesser Dieties and Demi-Gods had to have thier planes absorbed into their parent's influence just to keep it alive. Some of those gods may not exist anymore, as even the Sisterhood pointed out in the quest.</p><p>Yet, we still have the emotions and physical elements those lesser dieties embodied: Pain, Nightmares, Dreams, Music, Insanity (the necro epic specificaly focuses on the obliteration of the Demi-God of Insanity, Vazaelle Kallyne), Greed, Lust, and other emotions.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>If your going to draw similarities between different Goddesses and Erollisi, I think you'd be best served looking towards Norris Mythology and Freya. She is the goddess of the hunt, and everybody sought her hand in marriage though she turned away all suiters. She was renoun for her great beauty.</p><p>From what we know of EQ's Lore Gods draw strength from existing emotions. Some dieties are born into certain roles, others assume those roles either on their own or are given providence over them by other more powerful dieties. (It would be interesting to find out who gave Rodcent providence over Health. I don't think he assumed the role of Prime Healer but was given the title instead. Maybe the elemental lords had something to do with it?) It is safe to assume that all of the emotions existed before the associated diety came into existance. Unless of course your going to say that Veshan's first brood was devoid of emotions?</p>

[Elquinjena]

<p>From <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/podcasts.vm" target="_blank">SOE podcast #  55</a></p><p>from the interview with  <strong> </strong>Nathan "Kaitheel" McCal :</p><div><em>This was one that was really close to my heart that I wanted to put in. It  was the fact that there is so much lore and so much desire out there to be hearing about Erollisi Marr and so I've told some stories that have been  here from the day one of EQ2, but has never been out in the public.  Never been actualy told and It has been hinted at and so I have finally hint Louder, as to whats been going on.</em></div>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Elquinjena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From <a href="http://www.station.sony.com/podcasts.vm" target="_blank">SOE podcast #  55</a></p><p>from the interview with  <strong> </strong>Nathan "Kaitheel" McCal :</p><div><em>This was one that was really close to my heart that I wanted to put in. It  was the fact that there is so much lore and so much desire out there to be hearing about Erollisi Marr and so I've told some stories that have been  here from the day one of EQ2, but has never been out in the public.  Never been actualy told and It has been hinted at and so I have finally hint Louder, as to whats been going on.</em></div></blockquote><p>If they wanted to get out some info, why the vegueness unless it is a prelude to something more, much like the void information from last year... is this hints about the expainsion... I don't think so, but we are getting very close to the point that the devs usually start dropping hints so who knows.</p>

[Necrotherian]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><snip> I think you'd be best served looking towards <strong>Norris</strong> Mythology <snip></p></blockquote><p>Norris Mythology?  You mean like, Chuck Norris doesn't get wet, water gets "Chuck'd"? Or, Chuck Norris can cure cancer with his tears, but he'll never cry?</p><p>I know you meant Norse, but I couldn't resist.  (Ok...I <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">could</span></strong> have resisted, but I didn't <strong><em>want</em></strong> to resist).</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>'The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery...'</p><p>Usual protocol for divine reference is capitalization.  An actual daughter of Innoruuk would thus be referred to as a 'daughter of Hate', capital 'H'.  Instead it's small 'h'.  Possibly a reference to a female Tier'Dal?</p><p>Sounds like Christanos to me.  Given the odd, twisted devotion of her followers...well, let's just say someone in Neriak knows more than has been told, though likely only one knows the full story.  And unless I miss my guess, she isn't telling.</p><p>Did Christanos waylay Erollisi and take at least a fraction of her power?  I wonder...</p>

[Xaly]

<p>It makes sense to me that this is a prelude to Erollisi's return.</p><p>If you look at the pairings of the Gods of Dark and Light, it's something like this to me:</p><p>Fear (Cazic Thule) - Valor (Mithaniel Marr)</p><p>Decay (Beroxx) - Growth (Tunare)</p><p>Tranquility (Quellious) - War (Rallos)</p><p>Life (Rodcet) - (Un)Death (Anashti)</p><p>Innoruuk (Hate) has no current countering god in the game.  This role would be filled by Erollisi.</p><p>If I remember, when the Shard of Hate opened, there was much made about hate taking over many people, even in Qeynos.  We need Erollisi to oppose the hate (which never was banished, even though the quests and NPCs left the game).</p><p>It sounds as though Innoruuk had something to do with Erollisi's disappearance.  He knows how her power would thwart his own.</p><p>And the idea of access to the Ocean of Tears is an exciting one to me.  Though, I have to admit I killed a lot of sisters in EQ1.  I was blacksmithing!  And my son, the necro, referred to the sisters as Pop Tarts.  (He'd life tap them when we camped the Ancient Cyclops.)</p>

[Seidhkona]

<p><cite>Elquinjena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Someone needs to go record the text from the quest that Mundug Stonefist gives out in Everfrost. The quest is "Love Caught in Time" for the <span style="color: #000000;">Miragul's Phylactery: Scion of Ice</span><span style="color: #000000;"> instance.</span></p></blockquote><p>It's available at <a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=dialogue&did=32&ss=Erollisi" target="_blank">The Athenaeum</a>.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She is the last remaining major Good god that can return to the game. When that happens, the dieties will finally be balanced out evenly (neutral and evil have 1 more than good).</p><p>However... after she returns... well... That's kind of it. There arn't many other major gods that have yet to return who arn't good or evil. If they were to delve into demi-gods and Lesser Gods like Morrel Thule, Terris Thule, Saryrn, or Tholluxe Paells, well there's almost nothing left for Good influence dieties go. Many more for neutral, including the entire Ro family, and many for Evil, namely the Zek family.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">or Over-God's such as The Nameless, Sorry Cusa had to be added, otherwise you would think I've lost whats left of my marbles! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></span></p></blockquote><p>No, actually the past few months of you not mentioning the Nameless actually made me think you had gone Sane instead. I liked it better that way.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">There's no need to be insulting! Calling someone Sane! PLEASE! </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Mostly burnt out on the game is all taking a semi-break, I don't even have any Void shards on my main *GASP*</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Back on topic however, Erollisi does indeed seem to be the victim of foul play, wether it was lethal on not I do not know, although on Befallen last night, I found it amusing that Rodcet Nife avatar was watching the exchange*</span></p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>{0}</blockquote><p>My guess would be right now we are only seeing vague hints because it is going to lead up to something more.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Anaogi@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>'The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery...'</p><p>Usual protocol for divine reference is capitalization.  An actual daughter of Innoruuk would thus be referred to as a 'daughter of Hate', capital 'H'.  Instead it's small 'h'.  Possibly a reference to a female Tier'Dal?</p><p>Sounds like Christanos to me.  Given the odd, twisted devotion of her followers...well, let's just say someone in Neriak knows more than has been told, though likely only one knows the full story.  And unless I miss my guess, she isn't telling.</p><p>Did Christanos waylay Erollisi and take at least a fraction of her power?  I wonder...</p></blockquote><p>Or it could just be a typo.</p><p>As for Christanos, she is anything but the daughter of Innoruuk. When the Shard of Hate opened up, the story and lore that preluded it was basicly Queen Christanos saying "OH ****! He's back and I am sooooooo screwed for claiming to be a god myself."</p><p>I would have to put my money on Ulkoruuk. She is the Goddess of Betrayal, and supposedly an ex-follower of Erollisi Marr. Her name sounds too much like Innoruuk, and as far as EQ2's lore is concerned, Lanys T'Vyl was never ressurected like she was in EQlive after EQ2 came out.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anaogi@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>'The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery...'</p><p>Usual protocol for divine reference is capitalization.  An actual daughter of Innoruuk would thus be referred to as a 'daughter of Hate', capital 'H'.  Instead it's small 'h'.  Possibly a reference to a female Tier'Dal?</p><p>Sounds like Christanos to me.  Given the odd, twisted devotion of her followers...well, let's just say someone in Neriak knows more than has been told, though likely only one knows the full story.  And unless I miss my guess, she isn't telling.</p><p>Did Christanos waylay Erollisi and take at least a fraction of her power?  I wonder...</p></blockquote><p>Or it could just be a typo.</p><p>As for Christanos, she is anything but the daughter of Innoruuk. When the Shard of Hate opened up, the story and lore that preluded it was basicly Queen Christanos saying "OH ****! He's back and I am sooooooo screwed for claiming to be a god myself."</p><p>I would have to put my money on Ulkoruuk. She is the Goddess of Betrayal, and supposedly an ex-follower of Erollisi Marr. Her name sounds too much like Innoruuk, and as far as EQ2's lore is concerned, Lanys T'Vyl was never ressurected like she was in EQlive after EQ2 came out.</p></blockquote><p>She could have been, remember that some things are the same between EQ1's Future and EQ2's past... just not everything. So the EQ2 devs could deside that, that bit of lore did happen in EQ2.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span ><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anaogi@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>'The daughter of hate, crowned in treachery...'</p><p>Usual protocol for divine reference is capitalization.  An actual daughter of Innoruuk would thus be referred to as a 'daughter of Hate', capital 'H'.  Instead it's small 'h'.  Possibly a reference to a female Tier'Dal?</p><p>Sounds like Christanos to me.  Given the odd, twisted devotion of her followers...well, let's just say someone in Neriak knows more than has been told, though likely only one knows the full story.  And unless I miss my guess, she isn't telling.</p><p>Did Christanos waylay Erollisi and take at least a fraction of her power?  I wonder...</p></blockquote><p>Or it could just be a typo.</p><p>As for Christanos, she is anything but the daughter of Innoruuk. When the Shard of Hate opened up, the story and lore that preluded it was basicly Queen Christanos saying "OH ****! He's back and I am sooooooo screwed for claiming to be a god myself."</p><p>I would have to put my money on Ulkoruuk. She is the Goddess of Betrayal, and supposedly an ex-follower of Erollisi Marr. Her name sounds too much like Innoruuk, and as far as EQ2's lore is concerned, Lanys T'Vyl was never ressurected like she was in EQlive after EQ2 came out.</p></blockquote><p>She could have been, remember that some things are the same between EQ1's Future and EQ2's past... just not everything. So the EQ2 devs could deside that, that bit of lore did happen in EQ2.</p></span></blockquote><p>Yes but you know that's probably not going to be the case here. You know it's going to be someone else. If they wanted to bring back Lanys T'Vyl and/or Firiona Vie, they probably would have already.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>Didn't SAY she was Inny's kid.  I seem to recall folks referring to Teir'dal as 'children of Innoruuk' on occasion, the same way frogloks are sometimes called 'children of Marr'--a metaphorical reference, not a literal description of parentage.</p>

[Dareena]

<p>I'm just hoping that they make Ulkoruuk a worship choice when (or if) they make Erollisi Marr return.  Being a newer player who's only been introduced to this lore for a year, I was personally unfamiliar with Ulkoruuk until I was on my Brigand Epic quest line.  In it, the ghostly high priestess of Ulkoruuk claims that the brigands on the quest are chosen agents of her god.  To be honest, it was an interesting concept.  It would be fun if the developers chose to take this concept further.</p><p>Though it would continue a godly imbalance, I think the introduction of both a prisoner and captor would be an interesting plot twist.</p>

[Wolphin]

<p>This isn't directly related to Erollisi, but her twin.</p><p>Today, I was in The Graveyard in Freeport looking for love notes/candies and not paying attention while whacking the gray mobs. I finally really looked at my chat box and noticed that all the "an undead xxxxxx" mobs in the zone now give negative faction with "The Spirits of Marr". In the factions window under Shattered Lands the description for them says "The Spirits of Marr were once a noble order known as the Knights of Truth. Slain by Sir Lucan D'Lere and the Freeport Militia, their spirits have been bound eternally to the Freeport Graveyard."</p><p>I don't remember seeing this before, but it has been a long time since I've been to the graveyard zone in freeport, but I only cleared the area once and my faction with them is now -42600 (scowling), and I'm a follower of Mith Marr. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Anyone know how old or new this is? And anyone know anyway to increase it? Or what it is used for? My faction with Mith Marr under deities itself is Ally and Children of Marr is ally, so why would my faction with the spirits start out as scowling? I'm guessing from the number I killed and where I am now, that it started out at -40k. Makes no sense....</p><p>P.S.: I actually logged in some other characters and my highelf doesn't have it and he hunted there a while ago, but my dark elf who is newer compared to my other 2 characters is at -50k with them, so it had to be added in sometime after my high elf was there and before my dark elf killed there.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The Spirits of Marr faction was added in about 3 years ago when they added new Newbie quests to the newbie zones. If you do the questlines for that zone, you'll eventually end up getting Smiten by your own god, though it really means nothing in the long run. There's no way you can raise the faction, and it doesn't affect anything outside of the zone itself.</p>

[Mew]

<p>If Erollisi Mar is the goddess of love and the hunt, and she is added to the game, does that mean rangers will get a new deity specific spell?</p><p>Cupid's Arrow</p><p>Shoots one arrow which, if mob is succesfully hit, will instantly charm mob.</p><p>Duration: Until Cancelled</p><p>Casting Time: 2 secs</p><p>Resistability: -50%</p><p>Recast Time: 1 hour</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Jethal]

<p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If Erollisi Mar is the goddess of love and the hunt, and she is added to the game, does that mean rangers will get a new deity specific spell?</p><p>Cupid's Arrow</p><p>Shoots one arrow which, if mob is succesfully hit, will instantly charm mob.</p><p>Duration: Until Cancelled</p><p>Casting Time: 2 secs</p><p>Resistability: -50%</p><p>Recast Time: 1 hour</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>only problem with that is, we already have an animal "befriend" in our AA's.. but I like the idea of it being an arrow</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p><cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If Erollisi Mar is the goddess of love and the hunt, and she is added to the game, does that mean rangers will get a new deity specific spell?</p><p>Cupid's Arrow</p><p>Shoots one arrow which, if mob is succesfully hit, will instantly charm mob.</p><p>Duration: Until Cancelled</p><p>Casting Time: 2 secs</p><p>Resistability: -50%</p><p>Recast Time: 1 hour</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>only problem with that is, we already have an animal "befriend" in our AA's.. but I like the idea of it being an arrow</p></blockquote><p>Well, there's also the issue of it being CUPID's arrow.  Erollisi!  We have no Cupid in Norrath!</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>Although You have a point, Pants-kun, Prexus is a good aligned diety, due to the sheer fact of his alignments and oppositions.</p><p>And although neutral race/class combos were able to worship him, He has Paladin followers. Which I believe only good aligned dieties had in EQ1.  Brell seems to be the exception, if gnome necros and such could worship him, but I don't recall if they could.</p><p>Also Frogloks can start with Inny as a diety, but that doesn't really make them a neutral race.</p><p>IMHO, I think the devs should delve into the lesser pantheon for more dieties. Even if it would imbalance the game or not... The worse we could do, would be to have alot of neutrals to counter the evils.</p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although You have a point, Pants-kun, Prexus is a good aligned diety, due to the sheer fact of his alignments and oppositions.</p></blockquote><p>In EQ1 on the faction PVP server Prexus was a neutral god. So, it would not be to hard to imagine him being brought back as such again.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although You have a point, Pants-kun, Prexus is a good aligned diety, due to the sheer fact of his alignments and oppositions.</p><p>And although neutral race/class combos were able to worship him, He has Paladin followers. Which I believe only good aligned dieties had in EQ1.  Brell seems to be the exception, if gnome necros and such could worship him, but I don't recall if they could.</p><p>Also Frogloks can start with Inny as a diety, but that doesn't really make them a neutral race.</p><p>IMHO, I think the devs should delve into the lesser pantheon for more dieties. Even if it would imbalance the game or not... The worse we could do, would be to have alot of neutrals to counter the evils.</p></blockquote><p>Nope. The Dwarven Paladins worshipped a neutral diety: Brell Serilis. The Erudite Paladins also worshipped a neutral diety: Prexus. Just because they're aligned with other good gods does not make them or thier influence good as well. I have already pointed this out with Karana as an example in the past. In the Planes of Power, he was one of the few gods who did not interfere with the mortals' invasions of thier planes. In fact, he was rescued by them. Karana himself is as good as good can get, but weather is not a good element. Anyone can use the forces of nature for destruction. What is so "Good" about a tornado or a hurricane wiping out an entire village or city? Karana was added as a neutral diety in this game because of it.</p><p>In fact, My technical evidence that he has always been a neutral diety in EQlive is more likely to be taken up again in EQ2. Bards are a neutral class in EQlive, and they're a neutral class in EQ2. Erudites are a neutral race in EQlive, and are a neutral race in EQ2. Half Elves are a neutral race in EQlive, and are a neutral race in EQ2. Humans are a neutral race in EQlive, and they're a neutral race in EQ2. Wood Elves are the only exception to this, but they can only worship Prexus as a bard, which makes them neutral.</p><p>Also: The Frogloks were touched by Innoruuk's influence long after EQ2 came out, when the trolls kicked them out of Grobb/Gukta again. It was only done to add some more variety to the race by letting them play as necromancers, shadowknights, and rogues. There's no proof one way or another to show how the Trolls got Grobb back in EQ2. It's just simply not mentioned in any form or shape, so it's not possible to say that the Frogloks were touched by Innoruuk either. They most likely were not though.</p>

[Arianah]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just because they're aligned with other good gods does not make them or thier influence good as well.</p></blockquote><p>Correct. Solusek Ro has sort of allied with Rallos Zek in the past, they both want(ed) to destroy Norrathians, yet Solusek Ro is a neutral deity and Rallos Zek is an evil-aligned deity.</p><p>When I really think about it, Prexus has always come off as a neutral deity to me. He's never really showed any actions of good in the past, nor has he showed any actions of evil either.</p><p>Karana is obviously a neutral god (I don't think they would change the alignment of a deity for gameplay reasons only), yet he has had Paladin followers too. Having Paladin worshipers doesn't make one automatically a good deity.</p>

[glowsintheda]

<p>Also just because deities are neutral doesn't mean that they necessarily like each other.  I remember that the deepwater knights (paladin followers of prexus) had a serious beef with my Karana following half elf ranger in eq1 (think I was dubious to start with them)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also just because deities are neutral doesn't mean that they necessarily like each other.  I remember that the deepwater knights (paladin followers of prexus) had a serious beef with my Karana following half elf ranger in eq1 (think I was dubious to start with them)</p></blockquote><p>^ That's not saying much though. A lot of other races were dubious to Erudin in general.</p>

[Daine]

<p>I've not been on the lore forums regularly for a while now due to RL time concerns but...when I saw that line that hinted at my dear Ulkky-poo, I had to come see what you guys thought.  I'm glad there are others that thought the same thing, and I'm hoping with all my heart that she pops up definitively soon!  (Although if she pops up I really gotta betray my swash to brig, mythical or no).</p>

[GlitterPaws]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>.. who was Ullkorruuk originally? Last we knew, she supposedly once was a maiden of Love near Erollisi Marr herself ... then she made a greatest betrayal and was embraced by the powers of Hate. Her name changed to be part of the Hate.</p><p>Would it be so terrible to think: <em>Ullkorruuk</em> was <em>Erollisi Marr</em>?</p><p>I hope not. But you never know. This is only a possilibity ... but I assume there might be a connection between what happened with Ullkorruuk and what happened to Erollisi.</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't there a tale of this hand maiden somewhere on these forums? I vaguely remember surfing Everquest lore late at night, could have been early in the morning, and reading about this person betraying Erollisi.  I'm pretty sure it wasnt the Nek Castle lore. </p><p>Anyone else remember such a tale?</p><p>Have to admit I thought that Ully was Erolissi when I first read "Our Lady of Betrayal;" it just seemed to fit in with evilness of Nek.</p>