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Shredderr

02-06-2009, 12:29 PM

OK just wondering , have been doing a lot of grouping with illys and coercer,s and found that their ability to dps is very comprable to ours . However with the growing difficulty of instances bringing along a toon which can mezz adds is VERY highly desirable . So why bring a wizard which can only moderatly do more dps if they are lucky enough to have the gear to do so ? What I am seeing is illys very well geared out because they get groups far more often than I as a wizard can thus bringing them even closer to my ability to parse well . I have noticed chanters with many fabled drops from TSO zones because they are running them constantly . i am not a shabby wizz I can parse 5-6k with a troub 3-4k without pretty consistant but so can a chanter and btw he can save the group from many a wipe . I am hoping that SOE would consider changing my mezz so that it no longer mezzes me , its not a group mez just a single target and it may make us taken under consideration for a zone which may send an add or 2 during a pull . I think the part about us being mezzed during a mezz was implemented when chanters couldnt dps well at the outset of this game but things have changed and they are formidable on the parse . I am only asking that the role we can play for a group is expanded just as many other toons have using the skills we have been somewhat given . i can put my mez back on my hotbar then . Maybe then we can begin getting more groups to gear ourselves better and there wouldnt be such a s disparity from non raid wizzy to raid wizzys and being worthless without the rare troub in ones group .

Azekah1

02-06-2009, 06:00 PM

All nonechancter mages are facing the same thing.Enchanters now have crazy high dps along with all the utility they bring...other mage classes are being left in the dust.I just posted an almost identical post about warlocks in the warlock forum.

Rastafari

02-08-2009, 06:49 PM

The mages versatility went out the door way-back when Assassins were complaining about our dps and Sony started making changes. There is so much itemization and not enough being done to keep the integrity of the base classes. This is Sony’s fault and I have yet to see them step up and begin addressing the issues for some classes. The changes always come 1 or 2 classes at a time which is not enough to resolve the problems. Sony has rendered us virtually useless / undesirable in effect to allow other classes the option to step on our dps.

Lethe5683

02-08-2009, 09:54 PM

Enchanters are crazy overpowered.

S_M_I_T_E

02-09-2009, 12:50 AM

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Enchanters are crazy overpowered.</blockquote> The bearaucracy is slow moving, but I'm pretty confident by the time the average player gives up on being a non-chanter caster and levels a chanter, the chanters will get a well deserved slap with the nerf bat. The easiest solutions for them to implement would be to: 1) Lower their DPS (now) 2) Raise non-chanter caster DPS (now) 3) Give non-chanter casters mezzes that don't mezz them (now) 4) Do at least one of the above with changes in the next exp. when the cap goes to 90 (later)My money is riding on #4 with execution of #1...

Shredderr

02-10-2009, 12:44 PM

Geez lvl 90 another 1 million plat for spells lovely . Yes we mez but renders us useless we feed power that is negligible wish those 2 spells were fixed to be worthwhile to cast . But not only chanters although they are the most obviously op casters atm especially on a pvp server but I really should have rolled an SK if I wanted to dps it seems I have been with too many with whom in befallen do 8-9,000 dps pulling several encounters at once and only a truly raid geared warlock has outdpsed him in that same zone that I saw for myself doing 9-11,000 . Everyone is dps nowadays and I only seem to compete ... compete mind you when there is a good troub in my group , sad thing is I have to roll against the troub and the SK for caster items when they drop if they are not gear cause the items are not marked mage class only as many dirge/troub SK/Paladin items are that would benefit me . I am upset I took the Time to lvl this toon But I must say that I learned something from my first experience in this game as it is my first mmorpg and that is to first find out the classes the devs with the balls are going to play and just pick those as opposed to classes i would like to rp cause beating ones head against a wall has very limited fun factor .

Azekah1

02-10-2009, 03:50 PM

<cite>Shredderr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Geez lvl 90 another 1 million plat for spells lovely .</blockquote>???

SacDaddy420

02-15-2009, 04:01 AM

This stuff is the reason i never check these forums anymore. Ask anyone on my server who I am and they will tell you. Sacdaddicus is why you bring a wizzy.They got buffed....You got buffedGet Big.

Telcontari71

04-09-2009, 05:56 AM

I really dont understand the issue?Yes enchanters do good DPS but wizards do better. That is if you know how to play, and what gear to get. In raiding we usually have Briggy + Fury + troub + Illy + Wiz (Me). Illy gets Upbeat with Me on TC+Tandem.We are just progressing TSO at the momement. Illy and Me have decent gearing, though I still dont have a choker. Even with Illy on the choker, usally I am top mage parse, and in raid parse to the assasin on most mobs. The Illy is usually third.The buffs between Illy+Wiz work very well in combination. So if you can't outparse an Illy? then try harder.Also with full Fire + Ice, Wizards do nice AE DPS. I have outparsed warlocks in instances with AE mobs. heh.Yes, our DPS could be better, perhaps itemization could be better, but situation is hardly bleak! Wizards, who know what they are doing are sill in demand.Nims

Jeeshman

04-09-2009, 11:01 AM

<cite>Telcontari71 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really dont understand the issue?Yes enchanters do good DPS but wizards do better. That is if you know how to play, and what gear to get. In raiding we usually have Briggy + Fury + troub + Illy + Wiz (Me). Illy gets Upbeat with Me on TC+Tandem.We are just progressing TSO at the momement. Illy and Me have decent gearing, though I still dont have a choker. Even with Illy on the choker, usally I am top mage parse, and in raid parse to the assasin on most mobs. The Illy is usually third.The buffs between Illy+Wiz work very well in combination. So if you can't outparse an Illy? then try harder.Also with full Fire + Ice, Wizards do nice AE DPS. I have outparsed warlocks in instances with AE mobs. heh.Yes, our DPS could be better, perhaps itemization could be better, but situation is hardly bleak! Wizards, who know what they are doing are sill in demand.</blockquote>You have the ideal raid wizard setup - Troub + Illy giving you Time Compression. When I've got that group setup going for me on a raid, I *better* top the parse or come close to it if I have a pulse. If I have to go without a Troub or TC on a few raids I'll see chanters creeping up on me on the parse, which strikes me as an awful lot of dps for a class that can mez.With all that said, I don't want to b*tch and moan about our dps all that much because even with a non-ideal group setup I'm still the top caster 99% of the time on raids. I'd prefer to b*tch about how we stack up against Scout classes. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Trilarian-2

04-09-2009, 02:41 PM

I still have a long way to go in TSO set progression, but I can already pull off 60k BoI. TSO has increased my DPS significantly, and I usually parse higher than our Assassin except on certain fights (I'm a bit better geared than him) and more than our enchanters every time (unless I die). So from a middle-of-the-road raider, I think wizzies are doing just fine. Some zones I have more issues with resist, but thats about my only complaint.

Eyema

04-10-2009, 02:52 PM

and thats why wizzys wont ever get looked at.if you check out my gear, im FAR from the worst off, a few more pieces and ill have just about everything i can short of avatar loot. now i do top nearly every parse, prolly about 95%+ of them, but does that mean we are fine? absolutely not. i have alot of respect for people like Dakkota and SacDaddy, and i hope all wizards can look up to them, but when they come to the forums and tell the community theres nothing wrong with our DPS it makes me wonder what they are smoking. it takes everything i have, including 85k+ BoIs and even 80k+ fissions to pull it off. sure if you have avatar gear, or even Death Chimes, Byzolas ring, Traks belt, Najenas ring, WWoM, and any base damage gear you can get your hands on, then you can beat scouts and chanters on the parse. oh yea, you also have to have a troub and illy, with TC and Tandem. if even one of those things are missing.....not a chance.so yes, my dps happens to be decent. i top parses, and i can beat chanters and assassins, but do i think for a minute that everyone else who plays a wizard can....not in this lifetime. i dont go around posting parses and bragging about what i can do, cos i know im far from the average....heck even above average wizard there is out there. i know what i can do, but im not naive enough to NOT know what everyone else can do. we are WAY too dependant on outside sources for our DPS when other classes arent. we need the perfect....well everything, to do what we do, and i cant name a single other dps class thats as dependant as ourselves.so yes, some of us may think we are fine where we stand, but can you actually sit here and say that if you didnt have the gear you did, that you could say the same thing? lets think about the community at large for once instead of complaring an avatar geared wizard to a legendary geared assassin and saying our DPS is exactly where it should be.

Trilarian-2

04-10-2009, 10:01 PM

So what you are saying is instead of 95% with you working hard, it should be 100% with you watching TV? Sorry, I just don't get how you say you top 95% of your parses but believe wizards need a dps boost. I also do not see legendary geared scouts with no AA doing 2x my DPS. The majority of my gear can be obtained from Heroic content, with a few fabled from RoK and TSO raids, and my Mythical. Mythical definately helps, but I was hardly [Removed for Content] before I got my last update. You say you have everything but avatar and do well; Dakkota and SacDaddy have avatar gear and do well; and I have a mix of legendary, heroic fabled, and a few raid gear and do well. I don't see the issue.Looking at my scenerio, I very rarely get graced with having the holy trinity (brig, illy, troub) and more often than not have to pick one over the other so another group can have regen. I, or our other wizard, are still #1 and #2 most of the time. If I have all three, then I'm a shining star on the parse. Yes, it sucks to need three other classes supporting you, but I'm hardly gimped if I'm missing one. The only time it is really frustrating is in the high resist zones without a brig.Trust me, I don't walk around felling gimped or unwanted and I'm hardly geared like many hardcore raiders. The only thing I could agree on that would be nice and not overpowered is have our debuff become unresistable.

Mythor_on_Unrest

04-11-2009, 12:48 AM

lol some of this makes me laugh... the chanter doesn't need the me or a troub to kick butt, I'm decently equipped but consider this... at (nearly) whatever level of equipment, if we're similarly equipped the illy's have awesome mix, assasins kick our butts, and all the bullcrap in this forum aside, it makes absolutely no sense.I stuck with it for 4 years on EQ2, and gave up about a year ago, I don't want to play another class as my main (have many level 80 alts), I want to play my wizzy, and I just don't understand the rationale behind how it's set up now. Makes no sense.And before any of the tip top dps raid wizzys chime in, look at the curve.. at the distribution of performance of each class. Anyone saying they out parse similarly equipped illys and assasins.. with the possible exception of full mythical end game equipped, I say... come play with some of my buddies and you won't. I'm [Removed for Content] casting 120% of the time, a heads up player, all along with decent (and some better than decent) stuff, and it's plain to see.... someone needs to find a clue at sony.

ailees

04-11-2009, 05:35 AM

I'm not going to argue about the need for a wizard to have very good equipment AND buffers to be in the top parse.But I want to add an indirect proof : Being on Splitpaw, I read the Splitpaw boards, both SOE and EQ2Flame. I always look at what type of toon guilds are looking for. Well, I can tell you that the last time I saw a guild asking for a wizard was JULY 2008. I don't even remember another guild asking for !What do they ask for ?SKIlluHealersTroub/dirgeAssassin/brigandeventually Warlock (rather rare, I admit)a new guild who is starting raiding high level is looking for :Priests: - Druid / Shaman / Templar Mages: - Warlock/ Conjuror / Coercer Scouts: - Troubadour / Dirge / Swashbuckler / Brigand

Shredderr

04-11-2009, 11:43 AM

Truth of the matter if your coercer isnt topping the parse he must suck cause everywhere I go they are and by a significant amount . I get booted constantly to the melee group in raids cause my guild leader is a caster and hates my rays when I forget and actually try casting it . When I am in this group I parse less than half of what I can do with a troub and illy . There is no way I am a dps class let alone Tier 1 dps class when i am dependant upon 2 other classes for near 50% of my potential dps no way and who wants to play a class that can no longer solo like it once could as an adolesent toon and now is only good when 2 other classes are present . I could see others increasing my dps by 20% but at that time I should be killing the parse not barely hanging or getting close to the coercer and scouts. I dont know what you consider a good wizzy but people that do group with me consider and refer to me as a wizzy that can parse .... for a wizzy , but if they dont have a troub in the group or and illy then there will be no wizzy . Tier 1 dps we are not , no way not even close this game is not only for those who can raid avatars and if one is not geared out in the absolute best gear there is you wont even be 4th on the parse with a troub and illy . without those classes you'll wish they stopped posting the parse in raid chat . I just want to be tier 1 dps like I was led to believe when I rolled my toon or add a lot of flavor to my class then . Give me scout mitigation the ability to mez without taking me completly out of the game . Dual wield would be nice lol . But to just say we are tier one dps cause we said you are when the cap was lvl 50 is just the lie that it obviously is . I believe any wizzys dont feel like that must have rolled chanters of their own and loving it .To top that off our spells are mana hungry and we have no real sort of mana regen so bam another must have a chanter cause they do that too . outparse us keep everyone with mana . I ask you again cause my question hasnt been answered . WHY BRING A WIZZY ???

thajo

04-11-2009, 01:58 PM

Considering a dirge has Dextrous Sonata dps from a dirge group really isn't too bad. I guess my reality contradicts yours because out wizards/sorcs top the parse usually. Usually there is atleast a troub in the mage group but for now we have 1 illy, so only 1 TC to pass around.I had a palace zonewide minus a few mobs cause someone [Removed for Content]'d and i was seperated for the next 3, reguardless, it was moving in a steady motion. The wizard above me was using TC, the warlock below me probably had UT.wizard 17366 | Dakk 17055 | warlock 14914 | swash 13355 | coercer 12512 | coercer 12235 |That single zonewide isn't too far from an extension of how parses generally go though. Our sorceres/predators top the parses, so I don't see any flaw in the dps classes. Sorceres tend to top the parses more often because we don't have to deal with ranged combat and most of the boss mobs arn't say to just sit 5m away from the entire time so scouts lose quite a bit of potential dps while we can do pretty close to max potential from 25 - 35m away.Truth of the matter if your coercer isnt topping the parse he must suck cause everywhere I go they are and by a significant amount . I get booted constantly to the melee group in raids cause my guild leader is a caster and hates my rays when I forget and actually try casting it . When I am in this group I parse less than half of what I can do with a troub and illy . There is no way I am a dps class let alone Tier 1 dps class when i am dependant upon 2 other classes for near 50% of my potential dps no way and who wants to play a class that can no longer solo like it once could as an adolesent toon and now is only good when 2 other classes are present . I could see others increasing my dps by 20% but at that time I should be killing the parse not barely hanging or getting close to the coercer and scouts. I dont know what you consider a good wizzy but people that do group with me consider and refer to me as a wizzy that can parse .... for a wizzy , but if they dont have a troub in the group or and illy then there will be no wizzy . Tier 1 dps we are not , no way not even close this game is not only for those who can raid avatars and if one is not geared out in the absolute best gear there is you wont even be 4th on the parse with a troub and illy . without those classes you'll wish they stopped posting the parse in raid chat . I just want to be tier 1 dps like I was led to believe when I rolled my toon or add a lot of flavor to my class then . Give me scout mitigation the ability to mez without taking me completly out of the game . Dual wield would be nice lol . But to just say we are tier one dps cause we said you are when the cap was lvl 50 is just the lie that it obviously is . I believe any wizzys dont feel like that must have rolled chanters of their own and loving it .To top that off our spells are mana hungry and we have no real sort of mana regen so bam another must have a chanter cause they do that too . outparse us keep everyone with mana . I ask you again cause my question hasnt been answered . WHY BRING A WIZZY ???Wizards don't have mana problems unless its a) a heavy power drain fight or your b) manaburning.Shortly put I highlighed in red everything I disagree with, we must just live different realities. I know wizards in other guilds who don't have avatar gear who top the parse and I didn't have avatar gear my whole lifetime in this game either and Ive topped parses without it. It's a weak excuse at best because if you don't have avatar gear neither does your guild, so i don't see the off balance as to why you'd be way behind without it.This was a pale arguement in RoK even when it may have had an upperhand. The fact that aeralik made our AA line pretty sweet and gear in TSO has really paid attention to mage dps, most mages have never been happier or more on top than in TSO, i know its that way for me. Also since there are so many fights with AoE encounters, which sorceres really excell at. I mean in Tomb, 4/5 names in there are aoe oriented encounters. In Ykesha Inner Stronghold all 4/5 of the named are EXTREMLY aoe oriented, our sorcs slam the parse usually. Palace of the Ancient one doesn't have many AoE fights but they're almost all ranged ones scouts have to joust for. All I saw was a lot of rants and raves, you didn't provide much group setups (except for lack off classes, but do you lack them EVERytime?, even just a troub is good group), no parses, numbers anything. It's a rant but with no substance or anything to go off of from it.Theres alot on the player side for a wizzy to, good AA spec, do you have your TSO tree fully spec'd out? Are your gear choices optimal for what your dropping? Is your casting order fine tuned? Just making a blind rant post doesn't provide much info to help for the cause ><I know I do good dps for a wiz, everytime a group asks for 1 more scout dps, they've never turned down my wizard <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Trilarian-2

04-13-2009, 12:08 PM

A guild not looking for a wizard directly really doesn't prove anything about a wizards position. Said guild could already have two wizards, it could be that the leader is a wizard and doesn't want competition on drops, leader is simply biased, etc. Wizards are more than welcome on our raids as they consisently are on top of the parse.As for "Truth of the matter if your coercer isnt topping the parse he must suck cause everywhere I go they are and by a significant amount." I find no truth in this, and insert you must suck by your own logic. The Illy and Coercer I run with are both very well seasoned players, but unless I either die, run out of power, or go AFK, I come out ahead of them. They are brought for their buffs just as much if not more so than their DPS, so there is no issue there. Hmm.. I solo fine also. Sure I can't run into KC with green ^^^ and round up 20 of them and AE them down with a click of a button.... but if I could I'd be on here asking for a damage reduction. Root/Nuke lets me solo just about anything that isn't immune to control effects and doesn't have any large range attacks. Chelsith is a good example... can root/nuke yellow ^^^ on a regular basis.You make wild accusations that I don't see in the same game we play. Just saying wizards are useless does nothing for your argument and does nothing to improve the class should it need the improvement. Instead, come with the specfic group/raid make up you had, parse, your gear, your AA, adept III/masters, etc. as well as the above mentioned of the class that so badly outparsed you. I guarentee that something will explain it other than just wizards are [Removed for Content]. We play the same game, so if wizards were doing so bad I'd be feeling it too.

Griffinhart

04-14-2009, 12:23 PM

I don't think there is a reason to bring a wizard and more then there is a reason to bring a Ranger, Warlock or Assasin.I do believe that sorcerers, more than any other class, rely on other classes more than any other classes. Even more so, I think we rely on other classes playing their parts well. There are so many things that can cause our DPS to drop significantly.I also believe a lot of our problems are based in perception. It's true enough that we are fighting an up hill battle against resists in some zones, but there are also a lot of Wizards out there that just don't DPS well. Some of it is skill, a lot of it is gear. But, I often hear comments about my DPS and people being surprised.Now, I don't touch high end wizards for DPS. I'm just not at that level of gear yet. I have a mix of VP and TSO T2 gear. I am better equipted than the average wizard. But, in our raids, I am usually at or near the top of the parse. Of course, that's with the other DPS classes being geared at the same level.In groups I tend to group with people who raid the same zones I do, or guildies that don't have the same level of gear. But I still tend to top the group parse in either situation. I'm always struck with how people seem surprised at how much damage I do. Especially when dealing with AE fights. While we don't do what a warlock would do people seem to not realize that we are quite good at it.

Shredderr

05-23-2009, 03:03 PM

Ok for instance the day after I read some of the new posts on this void bane was nerfed .. our guild went into palace and I watched our coercer parse 16,000 - 20,000 a pull on trash , never less than 16,000 + . Now I heard a wizard say they can manage to pull that off but they were raiding avaters . Wehave only raided enough mobs for 4 TSO set pieces . He doesnt even have his shoulders , I have 4 set pieces and good gear from the mobs we can kill up to tythus and kultak ... I can barely pull 10-12,000 in trash in palace . And tbh raiding without a chanter in my group is painful to put it lightly .Our aa lines are really poorly thought out to top that . Battlemage ? we cant tank any longer the mitigation buff never scaled correctly . Our mana feeds are unbelievable inadequate and our mez is probobly not on mosts hotbar unless they pvp We need utility and something good like the utility classes all got upgrades to their dps imho . The wizard class is a joke Hope the new fix to procs helps but I bet it only helps ... doesnt fix our situation .

Beghard

05-25-2009, 01:21 AM

Our DPS is fine. It basiacly comes down to chanters need a massive swing from the nerf bat. There still going to be just as important on raids because of regen and other stuff. Chanters were never suposed to be T1 or even 2 DPS and they shouldnt be. After the next nerf to procs they prolly wont be but i bet they will still be good.

Shredderr

05-25-2009, 02:43 PM

It isnt a rant just to discuss . Maybe I am not as good as you at your wizard , but I am above average . Our coercer normally runs at least 16 + through Palace . I dont know how to post the parses here or I would have but my post wasnt restricted to dps alone its why bring me when you can bring other classes who can not only dps just about as well as me yet bring SO many other useful abilities to groups and or raids . The mana replenishments that chanters get do so much for my wizard I really dont like to raid at all without one . Imo ... thats bad . Topping that off they can bring mez solo targets and group . Really gifted utility wise in a game where so few classes really have no lack of utility . Yes I know a wizard doind 16 in Palace I completly can see that post but .... the coercer doing only 12 is unbelieveable . Ours would have to have had his kid brother banging away at the controls to pull that one .I know of other chanters normally coercers doing 16 + there even an illy or 2 . All I am saying to be running neck and neck both classes being able to pull numbers that come so close to one another where is the need for my class as opposed to the additional qualities a , for instance a chanter would bring to the group . not to add the additional dps they cause other classes to do and feel good about you being there cause they see their own numbers rise significantly . We cast rays and listen to them cry if you do I do it does good numbers for me on act . SO once again I repeat my challenge , discussion , question WHY BRING A WIZZY .

t.j.

05-26-2009, 01:09 PM

Nerf, Nerf, Nerf, [Removed for Content] sound like a frakin pre-school class in here. So what if someone has a mez, or power feed better than the wizards. "I'm not the top of the parse on every fight, I dont get TC, Tand, UT, Peaceful link, ect." Buck up and soldier on. Yep we Wizzies are dependent on other classes to achieve full potential in Raid, ok . . . so are others. Been playing a Wizard since Feb. 2005, seen the good, bad, and the ugly of SOE changes, yet the entire time I've always been able to pase in the top 5. Sounds like T1 DPS to me. The description is Wizards deal massive ammounts of damage to a single target..... yep still true today. Oh you want massive dps in a raid ..... hmmmmm well guess then your gonna have to spec a certain way, have the right group set up, have your spell rotation down, farm zones for gear and put some work into it, and still that [Removed for Content] assasin may beat you for the #1 spot on the parse. It happens, are you in the top 5 on the parse, well woooop de do there ya go T1 dps. There are valid problems out there, sure there are, resist rates bite, but do I want to be an Illy, coercer, enchanter, nope. Take that power feed and mez away and give me 2 more nukes, really big fat greasy nukes that will [Removed for Content] the tank off even more. Why bring a Wiz: The mob dies faster with us than without us. Thats it plain and simple, can it be done without us sure it can, but its not just the toon but the player behind the toon./rant offIn all seriousness, calling for other classes to be nerfed is never a way to get things changed. All it does is alienate others to what one class considers a problem.Emia Winterborn / 80 Wizard / The Lost / Butcherblock

thajo

05-26-2009, 09:21 PM

I'm sorry but if you are complaining about wizard utility not being good enough you are foolish or don't pay attention to what we actually have.Coercers go in MT groups and provide tank buffs, were gonna toss them out as they're the only mage who doesn't really get "mage" groups.Illusionists are kings of mage group dps buffs, given. They have high dps but equally geared wizzy vs illy the wizard will win zonewides and named fights everytime pretty much, given both at top of their game.Wizards bring more desirable buffs than necromancers, conjurors and warlocks. We have Ice Lash, an AA to make it last longer and an AA to give it 25% base damage. Wait, who said our AA lines are poor? Oh they only mentioned the PvP AA line as that has nothing to do with our DPS specs. Our dps AA are solid. KoS tree is weak because of the era it was made during. Our TSO line is high powered and again brings more power to the class than most other mages TSO AA's do. Wizards also have Rays which is the best spell a conj can cast, best spell a necro can cast minus lifeburn, and best spell an illy can cast minus prismatic adornment. That is not enough better spells to even near make rays a bad idea and skilled illusionists have said time after time perp 5 is not unreachable just cause you were climbing to it and got a Ray. Enchanters/Summoners get more out of our utility than we do. Rays is a much better spell for them than it is us, when we reach it in our cast order. And they cast faster so can take better advantage of a 100% damage proc like Ice Lash.So yeah why bring a wiz? We have the 2nd best DPS mage group utility and given the raid force is geared on the same level and nobody has much gear advantages (relativly) a wizard at the top of their game and with a decent group should be one of the raids highest dps'ers and certainly a top 3 zonewide player.

Telcontari71

05-27-2009, 10:34 AM

Hello, I never seem to have a problem with getting spaces in Raids, Groups, or proving my overall worth. If you are a good wizard, and know how to play your class, you should be doing good. I play for non hc guild. We recently downed switchmaster, and now moving to tougher mobs. I have full T2 shard armour + T3 bracers and choker. I usually very close to the top, if no the top in ZW parses, either raid or group. My Illy likes being in group with me and vice-versa, we both get nice buffs. He can DPS about the same as me, but I still top ZW. So stop complaing, get 180-190 AAs allocated correctly, get the gearing sorted, fine tune the casting order, and you will be a welcome addition to any group or raid. Nims

iceriven2

05-27-2009, 12:08 PM

we dont get grps b/c we are the or close to... the most played mage class in game. So in turn we have a higher Percentage of sucky players. Same problem furies had before most of them betrayed. Noone wanted a fury b/c everyone and there mother had one and only a few were good while most sucked.On Najena wizards dps is liked but rarely do grps call for them b/c there are so many, same with raid guild recruiting. Wizards are rarely recruited b/c guilds always have a huge supply of them, and the good ones stay around for much longer.If your dps sucks then look at your gear, AA's and casting order. Gear: I dunno how many times i see ppl taking a fabled or legendary item b/c of the "fabled" tag on it and the disregard to the actual stats. seriously just b/c its fabled and gives more int and power doesnt make outweigh the 3 extra crit and casting speed...AA's: having the right AA setup doesnt always automatically give you better dps. It helps but you have know how to use it. I'll give you an example. Iceshape. I see so many wizards with Ice shape thatcast it but not the ice lash. [Removed for Content] ppl, whats the point of casting it then if your not casting the proc??? I Also see wizards that dont bother casting it all... if you want a reason not to invite a wizard theres 2... you suck if you grp or raid and dont cast it...Casting order: one of the biggest things when concerning our dps. This is a guess on my part but i honestly think 85% of wizards just spam whatever.... then they /bit** there dps sucks... or what i find totally and so completely funny they do a /woot i got 2k dps. learn a casting order... eq2flames is your friend, these are the crazy ppl that do the math for u... take an hr out of your time and read it... better then 5-6 hrs a day the ppl that post guides spend to better themselves... that is why they're uber... at least take advantage of what info they are willing to provide.Base for dps... I have 198 AA(fire, ice, MB) i am casual raider(1-2) times a wek sometimes none at all) gear is tso/rok legendary, some vp raid gear(none of the uber stuff like the pants) oh and 2 pieces of tomc wrists. I do 5k all by myself.. is that awesomely good.. no.. buts its good enough to be wanted... Honeslty take away the fabled i think i would still do over 4k. So dont let the wizard become the new furies... learn your class and realize you can be t1 dps... you just need to try.. and if chanter kick your a**... take the time to get items and learn whats needed to kick his/her a**.