I must be missing something

[Pavahac]

<p>I read all the time how people in a guild work soo hard to get all those lavish extras that come with a guild hall. So what does a guild do that a unguilded person can't do to have way too many perks that guilds get? I am in a level 61 Guild, I have leveled it myself many times and its not that hard so I am just trying to understand what Guilds do that i am missing.</p>

[Donilla]

<p>Admirable that you've managed to get the guild perks basically by yourself (if I'm reading the post correctly). But for me I'd say a guild is about pooling resources. I could never get those perks by myself and with the guild, I don't have to. The sense of family that comes from having a built in set of people to chat and group with, and to contribute coin and status towards common goals, those would seem to be the point.</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I read all the time how people in a guild work soo hard to get all those lavish extras that come with a guild hall. So what does a guild do that a unguilded person can't do to have way too many perks that guilds get? I am in a level 61 Guild, I have leveled it myself many times and its not that hard so I am just trying to understand what Guilds do that i am missing.</p></blockquote><p>If your in a guild that groups alot in instances, you get the same people you know and can trust to not suck, if you raid, you can raid together and know each other and work together well, and people who get great drops for a different class can share those items with guild mates, knowing that in return, someday that or another guildy will do the same for them, etc etc...</p><p>A huge thing is crafting, you have guildies that craft and they are more likely to stop what they are doing and hlep you out then in the "real world"....</p><p>and one more place to "talk smack" about something that is said by a non guilded toon in general chat channel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nerphon]

<p><cite>Ironfyst@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I read all the time how people in a guild work soo hard to get all those lavish extras that come with a guild hall. So what does a guild do that a unguilded person can't do to have way too many perks that guilds get? I am in a level 61 Guild, I have leveled it myself many times and its not that hard so I am just trying to understand what Guilds do that i am missing.</p></blockquote><p>If your in a guild that groups alot in instances, you get the same people you know and can trust to not suck, if you raid, you can raid together and know each other and work together well, and people who get great drops for a different class can share those items with guild mates, knowing that in return, someday that or another guildy will do the same for them, etc etc...</p><p>A huge thing is crafting, you have guildies that craft and they are more likely to stop what they are doing and hlep you out then in the "real world"....</p><p>and one more place to "talk smack" about something that is said by a non guilded toon in general chat channel <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I dont think he was asking what the benefits of having a guild are but hes asking why guilds are so special to get extra content because he can level a guild to 61 all on his own. Isnt it easier btw if the guild has fewer members?</p>

[Loolee]

<p><cite>Deloka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ironfyst@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I read all the time how people in a guild work soo hard to get all those lavish extras that come with a guild hall. So what does a guild do that a unguilded person can't do to have way too many perks that guilds get? I am in a level 61 Guild, I have leveled it myself many times and its not that hard so I am just trying to understand what Guilds do that i am missing.</p></blockquote><p>If your in a guild that groups alot in instances, you get the same people you know and can trust to not suck, if you raid, you can raid together and know each other and work together well, and people who get great drops for a different class can share those items with guild mates, knowing that in return, someday that or another guildy will do the same for them, etc etc...</p><p>A huge thing is crafting, you have guildies that craft and they are more likely to stop what they are doing and hlep you out then in the "real world"....</p><p>and one more place to "talk smack" about something that is said by a non guilded toon in general chat channel <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I dont think he was asking what the benefits of having a guild are but hes asking why guilds are so special to get extra content because he can level a guild to 61 all on his own. Isnt it easier btw if the guild has fewer members?</p></blockquote><p>It used to be.  When the game was released smaller guilds with dedicated members worked on status to raise guild levels, but if one of those members moved on, then all of their status went "poof!"  Now all members can contribute to status and nothing is lost when members leave.  The status points needed now are the same whether you have 12 or 120 members, and the higher the level, the more status needed.  I have a feeling that the OP is going to find it much more difficult to raise his lvl 61 guild to 80 all by himself, than all the previous levels.</p><p>Besides, one of the biggest benefits of having a large guild are the people themselves.  I've been in small guilds and large ones and I can tell you, its lovely to log in and find at least one or two people on as well, just saying "Hello" to you and making you feel loved.</p>

[Thunndar316]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I read all the time how people in a guild work soo hard to get all those lavish extras that come with a guild hall. So what does a guild do that a unguilded person can't do to have way too many perks that guilds get? I am in a level 61 Guild, I have leveled it myself many times and its not that hard so I am just trying to understand what Guilds do that i am missing.</p></blockquote><p>I think you are stretching the truth a bit considering we had 6 people spamming writs for two weeks to get our guild up to level 30. </p><p>There is no way you have single handedly leveled a guild to 60.</p>

[Matia]

<p>I don't think he(?) meant he had leveled it all the way himself, but only that he had gained several of the levels solo.</p><p>So his basic question was apparently what work does a guild do that a non-guild person can't do?(If I follow correctly)</p>

[feldon30]

This thread is pointless unless he/she tells us what level guild hall and how many amenities.

[CrazyMoogle]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No I didn't level it to 61 by myself, I said several levels. What I was talking about why does a guild get these things? An unguilded person can do the same thing. They can earn the same status as a guilded person except GSP which by the way are never spent. Your PSP are spent which everyone earns. So just because your in a guild you get the extra perks? Now i know why unguilded people complain. Just on a side note I am in the top 100 world wide for GSP. I have done lots and lots of writs.</p></blockquote><p>If you can do it by yourself then why are you here crying about it?  Go grab a few people to make your own personal guild, form it up, then boot them out and you have a guild all to yourself.  Then level it up and (eventually) play in your guild hall by yourself.</p><p>Your tone seems to indicate you're here in this thread for no reason other than to minimize people who are in guilds by saying "meh, you losers, I can do all this by myself and took you guys 2 dozen people to do it."  Guess what?  Nobody cares.  Being in a guild and having a guild hall are rewards for being able to create and maintain a community, an online family, and to keep it going through the good and bad times.  It's our reward that say "hey, these guys are a group together and this guild name and this guild hall are a symbol of that."</p><p>You don't wanna be in a guild?  Then don't.</p>

[Azekah1]

<p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p>

[Matia]

<p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p>

[Azekah1]

<p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p></blockquote><p>The kind of people that would leave because of a loss of amenities would not be the kind of people that would be missed.</p>

[liveja]

<p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, people who want to join a guild for the amenities, or to get the horsie, etc., aren't worth having, because they're not in it for the right reasons.</p>

[Pavahac]

<p>LOL, I want to thank you for your answers even the not so nice ones. The only problem i have is no one has really answered the question, so i guess we will never know. Oh by the way, harvest bin would be nice for anybody considering how many slots harvest stuff takes up.</p>

[Loolee]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>LOL, I want to thank you for your answers even the not so nice ones. The only problem i have is no one has really answered the question, so i guess we will never know. Oh by the way, harvest bin would be nice for anybody considering how many slots harvest stuff takes up.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe you haven't stated your question coherently.  The way I understood it, you wanted to know what a guild can offer you besides the guild halls and other perks?</p>

[Azekah1]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>LOL, I want to thank you for your answers even the not so nice ones. The only problem i have is no one has really answered the question, so i guess we will never know. Oh by the way, harvest bin would be nice for anybody considering how many slots harvest stuff takes up.</p></blockquote><p>A harvest bin for one person is just a big box lol. The main purpose of the bin is so that everyone in the guild can share matierials.</p><p>Like Loolee said, maybe you should make your question clearer if you want a more particular response?</p>

[scruffylookin]

<p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, people who want to join a guild for the amenities, or to get the horsie, etc., aren't worth having, because they're not in it for the right reasons.</p></blockquote><p>That's an interesting point... especially considering the fact that in the post about consolidated bells, many guilded folks answer to the OPs suggestion was, "You want that... well, join a guild."</p><p>Not saying you said that flaye. I actually agree with what you say here. A guild should be its own reward. The rest is just icing (icing which I think they richly deserve).</p><p>But it just seems like a catch 22 for someone unguilded when he/she asks for something, and the overwhelming response from the guilded is "Join a guild and you can get it." But in a post like this, the guilded say, "I wouldn't want someone that joins a guild just for the perks."</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>scruffylookin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</blockquote><p>IMO, people who want to join a guild for the amenities, or to get the horsie, etc., aren't worth having, because they're not in it for the right reasons.</p></blockquote><p>That's an interesting point... especially considering the fact that in the post about consolidated bells, many guilded folks answer to the OPs suggestion was, "You want that... well, join a guild."</p></blockquote><p>The smart thing for people to do that only want access to a guilds amenities is to find other like minded people on their server, form a "guild" and then go about earning them. Its the people that want to take the easy way out, riding on the back of someone elses work, that are the ones you don't want.</p>

[liveja]

<p><cite>scruffylookin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, people who want to join a guild for the amenities, or to get the horsie, etc., aren't worth having, because they're not in it for the right reasons.</p></blockquote><p>That's an interesting point... especially considering the fact that in the post about consolidated bells, many guilded folks answer to the OPs suggestion was, "You want that... well, join a guild."</p></blockquote><p>There are two different issues here.</p><p>A. If you WANT the amenities, join a guild, but .....</p><p>B. If the amenities are your ONLY reason for joining any particular guild, you're less likely to care about the guild as a whole, less likely to work hard at leveling it, & more likely to go "guild shopping." None of those are characteristics of the sort of people with whom I wish to guild.</p><p>The OP's question is not "how do I get these cool toys", it's "What does a guild do for me BESIDES giving me those amenities?" That's a question that can only be answered by individuals, & the answer they come up with, IMO, says a lot about what kind of person they are. I would remain with my current guild even if we no longer had our relatively well-appointed T1 guild hall, because I'm guilded with PEOPLE, not amenities.</p>

[erin]

<p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>scruffylookin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Matia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yea...I would say you really are missing something...</p><p>That a guild is not a name or a hall or an amenity...its a group of people.</p></blockquote><p>For some... but I'd be willing to make a fair wager that a number of guilds would see a major change in population if those amenities disappeared.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, people who want to join a guild for the amenities, or to get the horsie, etc., aren't worth having, because they're not in it for the right reasons.</p></blockquote><p>That's an interesting point... especially considering the fact that in the post about consolidated bells, many guilded folks answer to the OPs suggestion was, "You want that... well, join a guild."</p></blockquote><p>There are two different issues here.</p><p>A. If you WANT the amenities, join a guild, but .....</p><p>B. If the amenities are your ONLY reason for joining any particular guild, you're less likely to care about the guild as a whole, less likely to work hard at leveling it, & more likely to go "guild shopping." None of those are characteristics of the sort of people with whom I wish to guild.</p><p>The OP's question is not "how do I get these cool toys", it's "What does a guild do for me BESIDES giving me those amenities?" That's a question that can only be answered by individuals, & the answer they come up with, IMO, says a lot about what kind of person they are. I would remain with my current guild even if we no longer had our relatively well-appointed T1 guild hall, because I'm guilded with PEOPLE, not amenities.</p></blockquote><p>See, I thought the OPs question is "why should guilds get anything special (amenities, guild halls, mounts, etc) that non-guilded players don't get?  What do guilds do that's so hard to deserve this much extra stuff"</p><p>It was a question with a presupposed answer built in.</p>

[Pavahac]

<p>Believe it or not everyone has answered my question. Guilds get these amenities just for being a guild. I only posed the question because I was not with this current guild until it was in the mid 30's so i wasn't sure if i missed something. I still think the amenities, by the way I use and love, should be connected to a quest to get them unlocked and I also understand where the unguilded are coming from.</p>

[Azekah1]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only problem i have is no one has really answered the question</p></blockquote><p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Believe it or not everyone has answered my question</p></blockquote><p>lol</p>

[Loolee]

<p><cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Believe it or not everyone has answered my question. <span style="color: #ff00ff;"><strong>Guilds get these amenities just for being a guild.</strong></span> I only posed the question because I was not with this current guild until it was in the mid 30's so i wasn't sure if i missed something. I still think the amenities, by the way I use and love, should be connected to a quest to get them unlocked and I also understand where the unguilded are coming from.</p></blockquote><p>And by paying for them with our plat and personal status.</p>