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Silerua

01-27-2009, 12:32 PM

Anyone know just *which* male Bayle (couldn't resist the rhyme) this is? *crosses fingers for Kane*<a href="http://www.lonloot.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_34&products_id=323">http://www.lonloot.com/product_info...products_id=323</a>aITEM 375803213 -683515316<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />ainting: Bayle/a( would add a screenie, but it comes out too dark and I don't have any brightness correction handy right now, sorry! )Thanks for any and all help (:

Cusashorn

01-27-2009, 02:07 PM

Bayle, the leader of the Ethernauts from the stories of which the current expansion is based entirely around. His first (or last) name is never revealed. He's just "Bayle".

Silerua

01-27-2009, 02:39 PM

Hmm - that would explain why it just says "Bayle" *lol* Sorry for my slight ignorance there about this singular-named Bayle character. I haven't spent a lot of attention on Ethernauts lore yet.So there really hasn't been any revelation about who he is, other than "Bayle?" Or any conspiracy theories? If there's a thread on this that I'm missing that someone can point me to, I'd appreciate it (:

glowsintheda

01-27-2009, 02:45 PM

He went with a bunch of others to fight the void, and he is the founder of the Bayle Line (his picture also appears inside Antonia's castle which you see as part of the TSO sig quest) My wife thinks that he is hot and it was one of the few loot cards that she really went out of her way to trade for

Silerua

01-27-2009, 03:20 PM

<cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite><blockquote>He went with a bunch of others to fight the void, and he is the founder of the Bayle Line</blockquote>Ooh! Well, that's neat! I was hoping that he was Kane, but the founder of the Bayle line is a little cooler. (: Thank you for sharing this info<blockquote>My wife thinks that he is hot and it was one of the few loot cards that she really went out of her way to trade for</blockquote>Hey, hey - I can't disagree with her too much... While Aurelis is a Dark Elf and has no affinity for "weaker races" (in her opinion, of course), that doesn't stop *me* from having some affinity... (; Thanks again!!

Cusashorn

01-27-2009, 04:25 PM

<cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite><blockquote>He went with a bunch of others to fight the void, and he is the founder of the Bayle Line (his picture also appears inside Antonia's castle which you see as part of the TSO sig quest) My wife thinks that he is hot and it was one of the few loot cards that she really went out of her way to trade for</blockquote>I need to reread the stories, but since the ENTIRE group of Ethernauts entered into the Void to fight them, and never returned, It's not stated that Bayle had any offspring.

glowsintheda

01-27-2009, 04:37 PM

You say to Bayle, "The Bayle line is well known, now. The name is borne by kings and queens."copy and pasted from the sig quest thread like one or 2 posts below this one.. sort of implies that he is the founder of the Bayle line, although doesn't directly say it

valkry

01-27-2009, 05:08 PM

Right and we do know that Bayle had a girl-friend (... /thinks how to phrase this nicely for filters) in his village who had at least one solid opportunity to engage in 'reproductive activities.' When Bayle and the rest of the Ethernauts return to Oceangreen, I don't remember the story indicating the now ex-girl-friend was with child, but it didn't indicate that she wasn't.Depending on how well the villagers connected the Ethernauts disapperance w/ the disapperance of the void creatures, Bayle Jr might have been better able to move into a leadership position in tribe, and any martial skills inherited from daddy couldn't have hurt either... thus Bayle's unborn child could have actually started the Qeynos dynasty after dad was long trapped in the void & thought dead.But the OP could always 'claim' that it is a picture of Kane Bayle, with any claims of how the picture of the Qeynosian traitor was aquired. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Coniaric

01-27-2009, 06:28 PM

Actually, I believe when you talk to Bayle while in the Palace on the TSO signature quest series, you mentioned about Bayle being the name of the current royal family of Qeynos ... he remarked something about his sister and apparent children through her.So I suppose after his disappearance into the Void, his sister's family took his name and proceed to have descendants since then.Though, I suppose I could be mistaken ... all the line mentioned was "So Danaria's son grew to be a man?" Might be his own.

Rijacki

01-27-2009, 06:51 PM

Antonio and Antonia are honorific names given to the king or queen of Qeynos from an honour given to the founder. They're of the family line of Bayle and, I think, kept the name Bayle, too, to honour him.

Cusashorn

01-27-2009, 07:22 PM

^ Antonius, and not all of them are honorary. Some of the rulers were named Antonius.

Silerua

01-27-2009, 07:38 PM

<cite>valkry wrote:</cite><blockquote>But the OP could always 'claim' that it is a picture of Kane Bayle, with any claims of how the picture of the Qeynosian traitor was aquired. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>*lol* It's very tempting! I'm keeping the picture in the back of my mind, but for what I need it for, I need a house item that is either directly linked to Kane Bayle (a picture would have been *perfect*) or is a good representation of him. I stumbled on the picture and stopped lore-researching, and now am caught up in reading what you all are talking about...However, if anyone does have some nice Kane Bayle lore handy, or know of a good Kane house item, I'm all ears (eyes?)!Thanks for everyone's interesting input and info on this topic so far... I hope I'm not the only one who's learning things, though. hehe

Lodrelhai

01-27-2009, 08:26 PM

There's a couple books on him, available from the bookseller at the top of the mage tower in Qeynos. "The Commander's Wife" which is, of course, written by his wife, and "From the Trial of Kane Bayle" which records witness testimony from several members of the Qeynos Guard, as well as his mother. You buy the books, read the first page, and get a quest to kill a bunch of different mobs until you unlock the whole story. The book you get upon completion can be placed in your house.

Arianah

01-27-2009, 08:42 PM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, I believe when you talk to Bayle while in the Palace on the TSO signature quest series, you mentioned about Bayle being the name of the current royal family of Qeynos ... he remarked something about his sister and apparent children through her.So I suppose after his disappearance into the Void, his sister's family took his name and proceed to have descendants since then.Though, I suppose I could be mistaken ... all the line mentioned was "So Danaria's son grew to be a man?" Might be his own.</blockquote>Danaria isn't his sister, that would be sick if she was. She was the woman who he had a relationship with in the village of Oceangreen, her father didn't approve of them."He was awoken by the fingers of light on his forehead that signaled the coming of a new day. Hot breath fell rhythmically on his cheek, and he rolled beneath the blankets to gaze at the face of Danaria. Wheat blonde hair fell over her eyes and played on her cheek. He brushed the hair aside and touched his fingers to her cheekbone for just a moment before slipping from her arms deftly, landing on the balls of his feet as he left the bed. He wasn't sure how she had known he'd returned, but sometime just before sleep had taken him fully, he'd awoken to feel her fall onto the bed beside him, whispering, "Welcome home." She was young, just a bit foolish, and he sometimes thought she had only ever taken up with him because her father had forbidden it, but here she was just the same, and Bayle, who was otherwise alone, wasn't about to turn her out."

Rezikai

01-27-2009, 11:57 PM

His name was Bayle Shiverfist.... he dropped his last name (after his clan) when they settled in Oceangreen.... he talks of it in one of the Ethernaught stories.

Cusashorn

01-28-2009, 12:09 AM

^ Ahh, that's right. I forgot about the Shiverfist detail.

Silerua

01-28-2009, 01:03 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>There's a couple books on him, available from the bookseller at the top of the mage tower in Qeynos. "The Commander's Wife" which is, of course, written by his wife, and "From the Trial of Kane Bayle" which records witness testimony from several members of the Qeynos Guard, as well as his mother.</blockquote> Yea! The Martyr's Tale is another one which has a little bit of information, in case I'm not the only one interested in Kane Bayle. Those two (and the martyr's tale) books are why I'm interested in the guy. hehe (: <cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote>His name was Bayle Shiverfist.... he dropped his last name (after his clan) when they settled in Oceangreen</blockquote> I don't blame him for dropping it... "Shiverfist," huh. That'd make a great pirate name, though.

ke'la

01-28-2009, 01:31 AM

<cite>Aurelis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>There's a couple books on him, available from the bookseller at the top of the mage tower in Qeynos. "The Commander's Wife" which is, of course, written by his wife, and "From the Trial of Kane Bayle" which records witness testimony from several members of the Qeynos Guard, as well as his mother.</blockquote> Yea! The Martyr's Tale is another one which has a little bit of information, in case I'm not the only one interested in Kane Bayle. Those two (and the martyr's tale) books are why I'm interested in the guy. hehe (:<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote>His name was Bayle Shiverfist.... he dropped his last name (after his clan) when they settled in Oceangreen</blockquote> I don't blame him for dropping it... "Shiverfist," huh. That'd make a great pirate name, though.</blockquote>All Proto-Humans of wich Bayle was one dropped thier clan name as a sign of breaking with the old ways.

Meirril

01-28-2009, 02:07 AM

<cite>valkry wrote:</cite><blockquote>Right and we do know that Bayle had a girl-friend (... /thinks how to phrase this nicely for filters) in his village who had at least one solid opportunity to engage in 'reproductive activities.' When Bayle and the rest of the Ethernauts return to Oceangreen, I don't remember the story indicating the now ex-girl-friend was with child, but it didn't indicate that she wasn't.Depending on how well the villagers connected the Ethernauts disapperance w/ the disapperance of the void creatures, Bayle Jr might have been better able to move into a leadership position in tribe, and any martial skills inherited from daddy couldn't have hurt either... thus Bayle's unborn child could have actually started the Qeynos dynasty after dad was long trapped in the void & thought dead.But the OP could always 'claim' that it is a picture of Kane Bayle, with any claims of how the picture of the Qeynosian traitor was aquired. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The return to Oceangreen indicated that she had moved out of town by the time the Ethernaughts traveled there. Perhaps she left because she was pregnant and didn't want to deal with her father's disapproval? If she took pride in having Bayle's child, it would be a very common Nordic tradition to name the child after Bayle (Bayleson for a son, or Bayledotter for a daughter). If Bayle came to be a legendary figure in his own time, then Bayle would be added on to the chosen first name for his decendents. (Sven Bayle) This all pre-dates family names, and when people started moving to the convention of family names the honorific names would be used for such.Or if they are following a Scottish tradition with the combination of family disapproval, relocation, and a heroic figure in his past Bayle's child may have decided to form a new clan and given it his father's name.If either case, I belive the Bayle's ascention to the throne of Qeynos is due to Antonius, not the exploits of the Ethernaughts which isn't really revealed until more recently.

Mary the Prophetess

01-28-2009, 03:17 PM

Could Vallius Bayle be Bayle's son?From Vhalen:As for Qeynos of yore, here is a bit taken from one of my tomes:... A band of humans made its way through the gnoll infested hills and founded a small fishing village alongside the northern Coldwind Coast shoreline. The shores of the new coastal village were teeming with fish and the land could be easily defended from attack. If most of the resources were put towards the defense, this large village could provide for the scattered human settlements of the plains. This new village must be more than a mere village, it must be a stronghold. The village settlers would send word to the clans of the plains. Most of the human chieftains of the plains voted to migrate to the coast and begin work on reinforcing the construction efforts there. The new sprawling stronghold city was named Oceangreen, after the beauty that nestled it. The defense of Oceangreen and the remaining settlements of the plains demanded the training of a human army. There was no loss of volunteers and the new clan militias of Oceangreen swelled. Each of the nine warrior clans of the militia specialized in their own art of war; each thinking their way was superior to all others. Weekly duels occurred with the winner retaining the ceremonial Qeynos Claymore, an ancient sword returned to the human settlements by an adventuring spirit named Vallius Bayle. These duels eventually grew into large bloody battles. Jealousy erupted and the warrior clans began to war with one another. Villagers were forced to choose sides or be beaten. Walls between the clans soon were erected. The new city of Oceangreen was beginning to look as barbaric as the Northland clans that the humans left so long ago. ...

valkry

01-28-2009, 10:24 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>valkry wrote:</cite><blockquote>Right and we do know that Bayle had a girl-friend (... /thinks how to phrase this nicely for filters) in his village who had at least one solid opportunity to engage in 'reproductive activities.' When Bayle and the rest of the Ethernauts return to Oceangreen, I don't remember the story indicating the now ex-girl-friend was with child, but it didn't indicate that she wasn't.Depending on how well the villagers connected the Ethernauts disapperance w/ the disapperance of the void creatures, Bayle Jr might have been better able to move into a leadership position in tribe, and any martial skills inherited from daddy couldn't have hurt either... thus Bayle's unborn child could have actually started the Qeynos dynasty after dad was long trapped in the void & thought dead.But the OP could always 'claim' that it is a picture of Kane Bayle, with any claims of how the picture of the Qeynosian traitor was aquired. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The return to Oceangreen indicated that she had moved out of town by the time the Ethernaughts traveled there. Perhaps she left because she was pregnant and didn't want to deal with her father's disapproval? If she took pride in having Bayle's child, it would be a very common Nordic tradition to name the child after Bayle (Bayleson for a son, or Bayledotter for a daughter). If Bayle came to be a legendary figure in his own time, then Bayle would be added on to the chosen first name for his decendents. (Sven Bayle) This all pre-dates family names, and when people started moving to the convention of family names the honorific names would be used for such.Or if they are following a Scottish tradition with the combination of family disapproval, relocation, and a heroic figure in his past Bayle's child may have decided to form a new clan and given it his father's name.If either case, I belive the Bayle's ascention to the throne of Qeynos is due to Antonius, not the exploits of the Ethernaughts which isn't really revealed until more recently.</blockquote>Actually wasn't implying that Ethernaught Bayle was the start of Qeynos ruling dynasty in any way other then genetic. I'm sure before the city of Qeynos had a King/Queen, the town of Qeynos had a cheiftan, or a potentate, or some other ruler on a much smaller scale, the village had an even smaller scale ruler. Danaria's son may not have been the start of the dynasty (esp in light of Vhalen's old post), more likely the the great, great, etc grandpa of the first King.However, if the tribe is looking at two men to be their leader. One has a father is was known to be a war-leader (as Bayle was in the battle at Oceangreen) and the other has a father know to be a tailor. With everything else being equal, the warrior's son stands a better chance to be selected leader because of the assumption that the son should have inherited some of the father's weapons skills and leadership. Thus ability plus possible inherited traits might have been enough to get some decendant of the Ethernaught Bayle a push into 'local government' which lead to more powerful positions as the area and people to be governed increased.

ke'la

01-28-2009, 11:23 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>valkry wrote:</cite><blockquote>Right and we do know that Bayle had a girl-friend (... /thinks how to phrase this nicely for filters) in his village who had at least one solid opportunity to engage in 'reproductive activities.' When Bayle and the rest of the Ethernauts return to Oceangreen, I don't remember the story indicating the now ex-girl-friend was with child, but it didn't indicate that she wasn't.Depending on how well the villagers connected the Ethernauts disapperance w/ the disapperance of the void creatures, Bayle Jr might have been better able to move into a leadership position in tribe, and any martial skills inherited from daddy couldn't have hurt either... thus Bayle's unborn child could have actually started the Qeynos dynasty after dad was long trapped in the void & thought dead.But the OP could always 'claim' that it is a picture of Kane Bayle, with any claims of how the picture of the Qeynosian traitor was aquired. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The return to Oceangreen indicated that she had moved out of town by the time the Ethernaughts traveled there. Perhaps she left because she was pregnant and didn't want to deal with her father's disapproval? If she took pride in having Bayle's child, it would be a very common Nordic tradition to name the child after Bayle (Bayleson for a son, or Bayledotter for a daughter). If Bayle came to be a legendary figure in his own time, then Bayle would be added on to the chosen first name for his decendents. (Sven Bayle) This all pre-dates family names, and when people started moving to the convention of family names the honorific names would be used for such.Or if they are following a Scottish tradition with the combination of family disapproval, relocation, and a heroic figure in his past Bayle's child may have decided to form a new clan and given it his father's name.If either case, I belive the Bayle's ascention to the throne of Qeynos is due to Antonius, not the exploits of the Ethernaughts which isn't really revealed until more recently.</blockquote>When the Proto-Humans (Barbarians that came down out of Everfrost), left thier Barbarian clans they gave up thier Clan name, that is why Bayle was called just Bayle. If you read the Ethernaughts story of Bayle's return to Oceangreen you will notice how they each gave up thier names and where no longer part of the old clan. It would make sence then that being that Bayle was a hero of the Void War that his name would go down as the start of a new Clan.

Coniaric

01-31-2009, 04:40 AM

<cite>Kairah@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, I believe when you talk to Bayle while in the Palace on the TSO signature quest series, you mentioned about Bayle being the name of the current royal family of Qeynos ... he remarked something about his sister and apparent children through her.So I suppose after his disappearance into the Void, his sister's family took his name and proceed to have descendants since then.Though, I suppose I could be mistaken ... all the line mentioned was "So Danaria's son grew to be a man?" Might be his own.</blockquote>Danaria isn't his sister, that would be sick if she was. She was the woman who he had a relationship with in the village of Oceangreen, her father didn't approve of them."He was awoken by the fingers of light on his forehead that signaled the coming of a new day. Hot breath fell rhythmically on his cheek, and he rolled beneath the blankets to gaze at the face of Danaria. Wheat blonde hair fell over her eyes and played on her cheek. He brushed the hair aside and touched his fingers to her cheekbone for just a moment before slipping from her arms deftly, landing on the balls of his feet as he left the bed. He wasn't sure how she had known he'd returned, but sometime just before sleep had taken him fully, he'd awoken to feel her fall onto the bed beside him, whispering, "Welcome home." She was young, just a bit foolish, and he sometimes thought she had only ever taken up with him because her father had forbidden it, but here she was just the same, and Bayle, who was otherwise alone, wasn't about to turn her out."</blockquote>Thank you. But it's not necessary to say it's sick or whatever, though. I didn't have time to go back and read Bayle's backstory so I don't remember right.

Arianah

01-31-2009, 12:14 PM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thank you. But it's not necessary to say it's sick or whatever, though. I didn't have time to go back and read Bayle's backstory so I don't remember right.</blockquote>Wasn't meant to be.. *tries to make brain wake up* an insult or anything. I can't think of the right words at the moment, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say. Sorry.I hadn't pulled the quote up until I had already started my post, I wasn't 100% sure of who Danaria was myself. I was just simply stating my opinion if that had been the case, wasn't commenting on you or that you had thought she was his sister.

Mary the Prophetess

01-31-2009, 02:29 PM

The Bayle line as we know it:Bayle Shiverfist: [Barbarian, Proto-Human, Ethernaut, possible father of Vallius Bayle.]Vallius Bayle: [possible son of Bayle the Ethernaut, and possible father of Antonius Bayle I. First to bring the Qeynos Claymore to Oceangreen.]Antonius Bayle I: [possible son of Vallius Bayle, father of Antonius Bayle II. Founder of the city of Qeynos (from Oceangreen). Known as the Great Unifier.]Antonius Bayle II: [son of Antonius Bayle I, father of Antonius Bayle III. Renamed Tunaria to Antonica to honor his father. Known as the Great Defender.]Antonius Bayle III: [son of Antonius Bayle II, father of Antonius Bayle IV. Known as the Great Diplomat.]Antonius Bayle IV: [son of Antonius Bayle III, father of Shaonia (with Lady Shea), father of the twins Anton, and Antea. Known as the Great Avenger.]Kane Bayle: [son of Antonius Bayle III (presumably), younger brother of Antonius Bayle IV. Associated with the Bloodsabers. Plotted against his brother.]Shaonia: [illegitimate daughter of Antonius Bayle IV and Lady Shea, possible forbearer to Shirrana.]Anton Bayle: [son and heir of Antonius Bayle IV. Co-ruler with his sister, Antea. Commited suicide after learning of the death of his sister. Father of Antonius Bayle V]Antea Bayle: [daughter and heir of Antonius Bayle IV. Co-ruler with her brother, Anton. Killed by a raiding band of revived Rallosians.]Antonius Bayle V: [son of Anton Bayle (with an un-named handmaiden of Antea). Possible father of Antonius Bayle VI. Was the ruler of Qeynos during the Rending. Known as the Great Sage.]Antonius Bayle VI: [(presumably), the son of Antonius Bayle the V. Possible father of Antonius Bayle VII. Known as the Great Healer.]Antonius Bayle VII: [(presumably), the son of Antonius Bayle the VI. Possibly died childless. Known as the Great Dreamer.]Antonia Bayle (Shirrana): [Present ruler of Qeynos. Legitimacy to rule validated by the Circle of Five, possible decendant of Shaonia]And finally there is my personal favorite, Kyle Bayle:Kyle Bayle: [A very mysterious figure. Son of Antonius Bayle III, and brother to both Kane Bayle, and Antonius Bayle IV. His spirit, in Droag form, is found in the Sanctum of the Scaleborn, and he is a person of interest to the owners of the Obelisk.]Here is what Vhalen had to say concerning him:As for Kyle, I can assure you Kyle's existence was documented well before the Age of Destiny. Kyle's pilgrimage and tragedy will be revealed to a new crown someday in the future. This may or may not have much to do with greater events brewing in the Age of Destiny, but Kyle's story has existed for quite some time and should finally be told.Kyle Bayle's importance goes back beyond Age of Turmoil. He has been a great son, a great soldier, a great leader and a great captive. But who was he the son of, what army did he serve, which people did he lead and what subjugator imprisoned him? All these answers will be learned, I assure you. There have been hints to those answers, but they are never obvious. The origins of Kyle Bayle are lost to history books, not by chance, but by choice. There are those investigators and hunters that seek these answers for themselves and there are those that oppose them. The secret he is a part of is older than his birth. Perhaps someday soon, Kyle Bayle will tell you all about it himself.His 'dogmatic' armor pieces are found in the Estate of Unrest I think, but beyond that and what was written above, we really have no clues.Also to my knowledge, up to the rule of Antonia, the rulers of Qeynos were known as 'Mayors', rather than kings (sort of like Charles Martel vis-a-vie the Merovingians)Am I missing anyone?--After further research, edited to include Antonius Bayle the VI, and Antonius Bayle VII. Now I believe I have them all.Further edited based on RaphaNissi's information concerning his siblings.

KniteShayd

02-02-2009, 03:32 PM

If memory serves, I believe he was the brother of one of the Antonius'. Much like Harry is to William in England.If you have station access, and eq1, you can go to Qeynos and do the quest where you investigate him. Finishing it results in you finding out he was in cahoots with the Bloodsabres, and when you alert the officials to it, the guards go to arrest him with the evidence you gather.I can't remember if you get the quest from the Temple of Life, or not though.I wanna say there is more stuff in game that refers to him lore-wise, but It's been awhile since I have seen any.

Lodrelhai

02-03-2009, 05:32 PM

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>If memory serves, I believe he was the brother of one of the Antonius'. Much like Harry is to William in England.If you have station access, and eq1, you can go to Qeynos and do the quest where you investigate him. Finishing it results in you finding out he was in cahoots with the Bloodsabres, and when you alert the officials to it, the guards go to arrest him with the evidence you gather.I can't remember if you get the quest from the Temple of Life, or not though.I wanna say there is more stuff in game that refers to him lore-wise, but It's been awhile since I have seen any.</blockquote>I believe you're thinking of Kane Bayle, not Kyle.

RaphaNissi

02-05-2009, 06:13 PM

Kane and Kyle were both brothers of Antonius IV.

Coniaric

02-08-2009, 04:43 PM

I'm curious. Is there any indication that there is something that will argue against the Bayle lineage? I just notice the words of "presumably" and "possibly" and such. I just think in terms of the game lore, the royal lineages (Bayle, Thex, Sathir, etc) are more, or less, straightfoward and linear.Just a thought.

Mary the Prophetess

02-08-2009, 05:11 PM

Well I am not sure I understand your question. The game lore does not specifically say for instance, that Shirrana is definately a decendant of Shaonia. However it DOES say that Shirrana is 1/64th Elvish blood, and that she was raised at Tearfall.Official lore also states that Shaonia was the daughter of Lady Shea and Antonius Bayle IV, making her 1/2 Elvish blood, and that Lady Shea and Shaonia fled to the Sisters Isle from Freeport, where they remained.So putting 2 + 2 together, and making an educated guess, Shirrana is listed as a *possible* (probably should be a *probable*), decendant of Shaonia. Which would mean, if this is a correct assumption, that Shaonia was Shirrana's great, great, great, grandmother.However, as the lore does not specifically verify this, it must be qualified when listing the possible relationship of the two.Vhalen lists that there was indeed an Antonius Bayle VI, and an Antonius Bayle VII; but he does not specifically state that Antonius Bayle the VI is the son of Antonius Bayle the V, or the father of Antonius Bayle VII. One can make a logical assumption that this is the case, but until it is absolutely stated to be so, the relationship remains qualified with a *presumably* After all, the twins, Anton and Antea, fall between Antonius Bayle IV, and Antonius Bayle V. It is possible, (though not probable), that the succession did not pass uniformly from father to son. And so we hedge our bets, and qualify the absolute veracity of the lineage.Likewise for Bayle the Ethernaut and Vallius, and for Vallius and Antonius Bayle I. Known facts concerning each one imply circumstantially that they were related in the manner listed, but unless or until it is specifically stated that the relationships are correct as listed, they also get a qualifier.As for Kyle: again, circumstantial evidence indicates he was at least contemporaneous with Antonius Bayle IV and Kane Bayle, but offers no concrete relationship verification, so the relationship is a *probable* one, but not an officially verified one.And now, with the departure of the last lore developer, we may never have verification of this lineage, (or a host of other loose ends).I am not sure if that was what you were asking or not.