Requested change on Dirge TSO Raid set

[singinbasher]

<p>The following changes need to be made to the Dirge TSO raid set(Vocal Rift):- Change the sets 2-piece bonus to "Removes concentration cost of Percussion of Stone" (or even better... Removes concentration cost of Rianna's Indignant Sustain)- Change the Vocal Rift Cuirass's first when equipped effect to Greater Hollow Aria OR Focus: Speech of SacrificeUntil these changes are made, many dirges will be unable to upgrade from the VP armor set.</p><p>Basically, I am requesting that the effects be traded so that we have the same set bonuses we had in our VP set and pick up the new focus that has been designed on our breastplate.  As it stands, we will have to wear  at least 2 pieces(most likely 4) of VP armor up until the very end of this expansion.  I would like to be able to wear the 4-set of TSO armor when my guild can achieve it.</p><p>EDIT: Most dirges would prefer "Greater Hollow Aria" to "Focus: Speech of Sacrifice" on the breastplate, me included.  I think though, most would be happier with EITHER if the 2-set was changed to "Focus: Percussion of Stone".</p>

[GangleG]

<p>The focus for Speech of Sacrifice is the most useless things i've ever seen in my life.  The focus needs to be completely removed, not just swapped and changed to something that Dirges can actually beneift from.  Add a focus to scream of blood, banshee, or gravitas on the chest piece and put PoS back on the 2-set bonus otherwise 90% of Dirges will be forever wearing the VP 2 set.</p>

[Undorett]

<p>Not a dirge, but I would still like to jump on this bandwagon...the other bard got a free slot with their 2 set bonus, didn't they?</p>

[singinbasher]

<p>I am not bashing on the focus.  It's better than nothing.  I am just requesting a minor tweek to the progression of the set.  This coupled with raid progression means that many dirges will be in a bind until they kill Zarrakon.  Many will not do that this expansion.</p><p>I think if we were talking about dropping it, something like the breastplate effect on the prior version would be great.</p>

[singinbasher]

<p>BUMP for official response.</p><p>I have just found out that this also causes itemization issues with avatar loot.  This nearly forces dirges to use the TSO raid chest when it's available over any avatar dropped chest.  They will be stuck making a decision between 2-piece VP armor or avatar chest.  Now that crit mit is required, having to use 2 pieces of VP armor is deadly.</p>

[GangleG]

<p>The CoB focus on the legendary chest should be added to the fabled chest and the PoS focus should be changed to the 2 set bonus - the current 2 set bonus should just be canned.</p>

[Tutimin]

<p>agreed...</p><p>1) bring back focus: percussion of stone on the 2 set bonus, move the focus: speech of sacrifice to the bp,</p><p>2) scrap that terribly useless rhythmic war chant proc effect and put greater hollow aria or an upgrade like "empowered hollow aria" effect on it</p>

[Wookin]

<p>Adding my plea to this.</p>

[Topan]

<p>/agreed</p><p>It's completely stupid that we're stuck wearing VP 2 set, please address this.</p>

[Buttcliffe]

<p>sounds like a warranted/plausible change</p>

[Foulou]

<p>a lot of discuss was made about this so : +1</p>

[Praytus]

<p>This and many other set bonuses appear to have been created with the RNG and no insight into classes or their desires.</p>

[Tutimin]

<p><cite>Praytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This and many other set bonuses appear to have been created with the RNG and no insight into classes or their desires.</p></blockquote><p>QFE</p>

[GangleG]

<p>Still no response?  There is a serious problem with progression with these set bonuses.  The devs are shackling players to wearing 2 pieces from VP.  Troubadours kept their conc slot removal for their 2 piece bonus, so why are dirges the only class that are almost forced to wear loot from last expansion?</p>

[Tutimin]

<p>troub's get aria of magic's concentration cost removed iirc, which their epic puts the 10% spell damage bonus on...</p><p>i guess my thought is i could live with not getting percussion of stone's removed, if they wanted to switch it up and say remove the cost of Riana's which our epic effects as our 2 set bonus, since we pretty much have to keep that buff up all the time to get full use of our epic... allowing us 1 free concentration slot, that isnt dependant on 1 piece of the gear, isnt too much to ask for this set in my opinion, with all the buffs we are asked to run, it would be nice to have a little flexability in the buffs we put up and the gear we have to wear to get it...</p>

[Praytus]

<p>The sad part is that many of the VP set bonuses are intelligent, well designed bonuses. In many TSO cases, just keeping the VP set bonuses would be preferable to what they are now. Ideally I think the community would probably like a slight tweak or upgrade from VP, but losing functionality, dps, utility, etc... seems like a bad direction to go into.</p><p>Another note, the beta boards were full of people highliting issues on the set bonuses for almost every class. I don't recall seeing any changes, however.</p>

[GangleG]

<p>Can we please get a word on whether this will be changed with GU51 or not?  Stop penalising and shackling dirges to wearing gear from last expansion.</p>

[singinbasher]

<p>Awaiting official response still.  There is a fleet of people behind this.</p><p>I am still yet to hear a dirge say anything other than that they completely agree with this.  This is a fairly one sided discussion.  We need a response please.</p><p>Removing the concentration cost on riana's would be even better imo.  That would be an upgrade from the VP set.  Very original idea, I wish I had thought about that.</p>

[GangleG]

<p>And still no change with the update.  Thank you very much for completely ignoring us.  I wonder why I even still pay to play this game when there are serious problems that never get fixed. </p><p>Furies have had a broken spell since the launch of TSO and it still hasn't been fixed 3 months later.</p>

[Tutimin]

<p>from the look of it, they are ignoring any complaints about the set armor unless a bug is involved...</p>

[Topan]

<p>BUMP</p><p>Another Update, still no change.  Seriously, can we get some sort of responce at least?</p><p>When the set was in testing, it had the bonuses of (2) Removing Percussion of Stone, (4) Reducing Recast on Chime, and (6) Focus Speech of Sacrifice, with the BP having Rhythmic War Chant and Focus: Penatrating Shriek.  This wasn't amazing, the (6) set bonus was still just as worthless as it is on (2) set, but atleast it allowed the player to replace their VP set with any 4 pieces of TSO set, and then use their other 3 armor slots with gear of their choice.  It didn't force anyone to wear back expansion items, and it didn't force anyone to wear the underwhelming breastplate.</p><p>The way the set bonuses are right now is a serious progression flaw and will leave the majority of raiding Dirges stuck wearing Veeshan's Peak gear until next expansion as many wont have access to the BPs and even those that do likely will chose not to wear them due to how underpowered they are.</p>

[GangleG]

<p>Agreed.  I honestly don't know how the devs cannot see this horrible design.  Dirges are the only class with such a glaring disadvantage, having to wear VP gear.</p>

[PandaExpress]

<p>Wow... no response huh.... this is amazing. I get frustrated every day... because of this unbelievable flawed armour set. This makes no sense whatsoever for us to have to wear VP gear. I mean seriously I thought this was some kind of joke and it was going to be fixed immediately. Apparently I was wrong... I sincerely hope they changed their minds cause they are screwing every raiding dirge in the game.</p>

[singinbasher]

<p><cite>GangleG wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And still no change with the update.  Thank you very much for completely ignoring us.  I wonder why I even still pay to play this game when there are serious problems that never get fixed.</p><p>Furies have had a broken spell since the launch of TSO and it still hasn't been fixed 3 months later.</p></blockquote><p>Let's try a little bit different strategy with this.  I can pay some respect to the difficulty in some of the things that the devs deal with.  I am a web developer myself, so I know it's not always as simple as it seems, but sometimes I can spot an easy fix.  This seems fairly easy to do as the effect we are requesting already exist.  Also, they are not bound by contract to respond here.  Anyways to the point, please give us a response on the status of our request.</p><p>The game is still worth paying money for if they don't fix this, but they need to at least let us know how they feel about our request.  Once the thread reaches a reasonable length, it will be hard to miss it.</p>

[ShadowMunkie]

<p><cite>singinbasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The following changes need to be made to the Dirge TSO raid set(Vocal Rift):- Change the sets 2-piece bonus to "Removes concentration cost of Percussion of Stone" (or even better... Removes concentration cost of Rianna's Indignant Sustain)- Change the Vocal Rift Cuirass's first when equipped effect to Greater Hollow Aria OR Focus: Speech of SacrificeUntil these changes are made, many dirges will be unable to upgrade from the VP armor set.</p><p>Basically, I am requesting that the effects be traded so that we have the same set bonuses we had in our VP set and pick up the new focus that has been designed on our breastplate.  As it stands, we will have to wear  at least 2 pieces(most likely 4) of VP armor up until the very end of this expansion.  I would like to be able to wear the 4-set of TSO armor when my guild can achieve it.</p><p>EDIT: Most dirges would prefer "Greater Hollow Aria" to "Focus: Speech of Sacrifice" on the breastplate, me included.  I think though, most would be happier with EITHER if the 2-set was changed to "Focus: Percussion of Stone".</p></blockquote><p>Singinbasher, I completely agree that the dirges 2 piece should be fixed, and I don't even play a dirge. I would also like to  request that the Coercer 2set Bonus be changed to the VP 2 Piece Set, as it is now (800 Arcane Mitigation reducer) is complete and utter crap.</p>

[Tutimin]

<p><cite>Mordok@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Singinbasher, I completely agree that the dirges 2 piece should be fixed, and I don't even play a dirge. I would also like to  request that the Coercer 2set Bonus be changed to the VP 2 Piece Set, as it is now (800 Arcane Mitigation reducer) is complete and utter crap.</p></blockquote><p>thanks for the support mord... aka thank you bump</p>

[Tenchisama]

<p>heh if you think the dirge set bonus is bad - take a quick peek at the Templar 6 piece bonus on TSO fabled vs VP</p><p>it will make you thank the gods for the dirge bonus</p><p>dont get me completely wrong - Templar 2piece and 4piece bonuses are awesome - love it</p><p>templar 6 piece bonus is insulting.....</p><p>=P</p>

[PandaExpress]

<p>Take the 6 piece for the templar and put that as the 2 piece.... and then make that where the 2 piece on your vp gear is much better in fact your forced to wear the vp gear over tso gear or better healing gear. </p>

[Tutimin]

<p><cite>Tenchisama@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>heh if you think the dirge set bonus is bad - take a quick peek at the Templar 6 piece bonus on TSO fabled vs VP</p><p>it will make you thank the gods for the dirge bonus</p><p>dont get me completely wrong - Templar 2piece and 4piece bonuses are awesome - love it</p><p>templar 6 piece bonus is insulting.....</p><p>=P</p></blockquote><p>start your own thread if you got issues with your set, not saying i dont care, just derailing this one with your complaints doesnt really help either cause</p>

[Tenchisama]

<p>whoa tex - then title your thread appropriately</p><p>your title say Requested change on TSO Raid set</p><p>does not exclude templar ones</p><p>=P</p><p>and its a public forum - I can comment as I choose within the guidelines posted</p><p>now if it was YOUR forum only - sure you would have a leg to stand on</p><p>as it were =P</p>

[Tutimin]

<p><cite>singinbasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT: Most dirges would prefer "Greater Hollow Aria" to "Focus: Speech of Sacrifice" on the breastplate, me included.  I think though, most would be happier with EITHER if the 2-set was changed to "Focus: Percussion of Stone".</p></blockquote><p>personally my opinion is just scrap the Rhythmic War Chant effect that is currently on the BP and replace it with Greater Hollow Aria. then just Swap the Focus: Speech of Sacrifice with Focus<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />ercussion of Stone</p>

[GangleG]

<p><cite>Tutimin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>singinbasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EDIT: Most dirges would prefer "Greater Hollow Aria" to "Focus: Speech of Sacrifice" on the breastplate, me included.  I think though, most would be happier with EITHER if the 2-set was changed to "Focus: Percussion of Stone".</p></blockquote><p>personally my opinion is just scrap the Rhythmic War Chant effect that is currently on the BP and replace it with Greater Hollow Aria. then just Swap the Focus: Speech of Sacrifice with Focus<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />ercussion of Stone</p></blockquote><p>This is what should have been done in the first place.  Something players were asking for in beta...</p>

[PandaExpress]

<p>At this point.. I don't really care what goes on the BP as long as we can get the 2 piece set to POS or Riana's.</p>

[Lauraliane]

<p>Fix the dirge set please yes !</p>

[Topan]

<p><cite>PandaExpress wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>At this point.. I don't really care what goes on the BP as long as we can get the 2 piece set to POS or Riana's.</p></blockquote><p>QFT.</p>

[singinbasher]

<p><cite>Tenchisama@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>whoa tex - then title your thread appropriately</p><p>your title say Requested change on TSO Raid set</p><p>does not exclude templar ones</p><p>=P</p><p>and its a public forum - I can comment as I choose within the guidelines posted</p><p>now if it was YOUR forum only - sure you would have a leg to stand on</p><p>as it were =P</p></blockquote><p>Yah sorry bout that, I will fix it to say Dirge TSO Raid set, but the intention was to make one specific thread to target one specific issue.  I would highly recommend making a templar 6-set thread.  Just make sure you make it clear that you don't want the 2 and 4 set changed.</p><p>Still no response?  I think we are starting to get some momentum.</p>

[Hiemal]

<p>/agree. Focus: speech of sacrifice is absurd. Change it!</p>

[Shotneedle]

<p>A) They won't change it. They're forcing us to wear 2 pieces of VP set, T2 Shard BP, and 4 pieces of TSO set armor so that we only have 4 pieces of crit mit armor (one of them not being the chest, taking a big chunk off, and another possibly not being the pants, since some dirges wear pants/shoulders of vp set and manip hood from PR, taking ANOTHER crit mit piece off) in hopes that we will die in the critical aoes (since we would only have 25-55 crit mit) from the raid mobs. They're just taking away our ability to buff to make raids harder.</p><p>B) This is going to be moved to the Dirge class forums, and then ignored. Sorry guys. Happens all the time.</p>

[singinbasher]

<p>Bump for official response.</p>

[PandaExpress]

<p>bump</p>

[Topan]

<p>Some nice changes to the set on test, but still no fix to the 2 set bonus.As mentioned the Troubs have a focus that removes a conc slot as their two set, and then an improvement to a song as their bp, this seems much more practical.  Our set focuses were very similar last expansion, this swap shackling us to previous VP loot or the absurdly bad BP is nonsense.  It gets even worse with the new X2 BP from Lavastorm being better than both the current T2 Heroic BP and the current Epic X4 BP.Is it really worth it to keep pushing through a tiny upgrade every month, maybe just get it right and then not have to worry about tweaking them every LU?</p>

[GangleG]

<p>Can the 2 piece bonus please be changed?  90 percent of players will never see the BP and most will not wear it even if they do get it.  Now with the new armour patterns, it is going to be even worse for us having to wear sub par gear just to keep a free buff up.</p>

[firza]

<p>how is it possible that a spell thats "fluff" in a raid setting is still the 2 set bonus on raid gear? Please put this on the group set gear where it belongs. (eventhough If I only grouped as a dirge I would like something else then also)</p><p>Our breathren the Troubies still got their same VP 2 set bopnus...give it back to us also please.</p>

[firza]

<p>hmmm, weird enough i forgot to ask for something I think 100% of all other classes have.</p><p>A Fabled Set BP thats equal or better then the Legendary set BP...</p>

[Nebbeny]

Actually Firza, the troubys get a different 2 piece bonus too, so wearing 2 VP and 2 T4 pieces nets them 2 free buffs, Yay! Dirge loving please.

[GangleG]

<p><cite>Nebbeny wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Actually Firza, the troubys get a different 2 piece bonus too, so wearing 2 VP and 2 T4 pieces nets them 2 free buffs, Yay! Dirge loving please.</blockquote><p>I have no problem with Troubs getting two free slots, but the devs should fix our USELESS 2 set bonus.  And don't try to justify the new 5 piece bonus by saying it allows us to wear the chest set piece now.  You (the devs) are completely destroying Dirge progression, especially main tank Dirges, since they are required to run PoS.</p>

[firza]

<p><cite>GangleG wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nebbeny wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Actually Firza, the troubys get a different 2 piece bonus too, so wearing 2 VP and 2 T4 pieces nets them 2 free buffs, Yay! Dirge loving please.</blockquote><p>I have no problem with Troubs getting two free slots, but the devs should fix our USELESS 2 set bonus.  And don't try to justify the new 5 piece bonus by saying it allows us to wear the chest set piece now.  You (the devs) are completely destroying Dirge progression, especially main tank Dirges, since they are required to run PoS.</p></blockquote><p>it is possible (eventhough not fun) to work around it, dropping a buff is not the end of MT dirges.</p><p>Its however VERY frustrating to do it for something as useless as an increase to a heal thats still useles even after spending 10 AA in it....(again speaking in a raid setting/perspective, since this is the raid end set)</p>

[PandaExpress]

<p>Yes, I don't see any problem changing this 2 set to match the VP. I realize losing this slot isn't the most crucial thing to raids, but it's pretty [Removed for Content] close. Something needs to be changed and soon. I  was hoping with the new update that they would have fixed this by now, but I see no sign of change on test. Hopefully you (devs) are reading this and changing your mind about the worst 2 set of <span style="font-size: large;">RAID <span style="font-size: x-small;">pieces ever!</span></span></p>

[GangleG]

<p>It really is one of the worst bonuses every designed.  If any dev really thinks that our heal is even remotely useful in this expansion, then they are completely out of touch with reality.  How about, instead of changing our raid sets every couple of months, you actually listen to the players and only have to change them once.</p>

[firza]

<p>oh yes, I almost forgot.</p><p>Thanks for making us laugh by putting + focus on our helm and mantle, but now that the fun is over, and you are indeed reviewing pease remove these from the set.</p><p>Also, IF the + ordination and + Disruption on our set gear cost points to put on our armor....PLEASE remove them. There is plenty to add there thats more usefull to us.</p>