quite possibly extinct on PvP servers...

[Zapat]

<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">no joke, as it is there are very few plate tanks on Naggy, and the only one's u really see are the battle plate tanks (i.e. zerkers and SK's, and ohhh how SK's have exploded on the server), even guards are of short supply, which is probably the main reason i always find myself the MT of every group im in.  the only classes u ever see on PvP servers in general are the DPS classes and bards.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">and after this next update u may quite possibly see the end of the Pally class on any PvP server since we no longer have that ONE trait we were best at.  as it is im really considering betraying myself so that i may maintain some usefulness and at least have DPS on my side.</span></p>

[Full_Metal_Mage]

<p>The same thing will happen on PvE. If the Paladin class currently on Test makes it to the Live servers, people who play Paladins will</p><p>a) betray to SK</p><p>b) put their Paladin on ice until SOE brings to EQ2 a dev who knows about more classes than just the Assassin</p><p>c) delete their Paladin to make room for a class that is not completely broken and useless</p><p>d) keep their Paladin for <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cyboring</span> roleplaying</p><p>e) keep their Paladin for tradeskilling</p><p>f) cancel their subscription</p><p>I'll probably go with option (a) and if that doesn't work out for me then (c).</p>

[Zapat]

<p><cite>Full_Metal_Mage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The same thing will happen on PvE. If the Paladin class currently on Test makes it to the Live servers, people who play Paladins will</p><p>a) betray to SK</p><p>b) put their Paladin on ice until SOE brings to EQ2 a dev who knows about more classes than just the Assassin</p><p>c) delete their Paladin to make room for a class that is not completely broken and useless</p><p>d) keep their Paladin for <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cyboring</span> roleplaying</p><p>e) keep their Paladin for tradeskilling</p><p>f) cancel their subscription</p><p>I'll probably go with option (a) and if that doesn't work out for me then (c).</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">oh im sure that PvE servers are gonna follow the same fate, but from a PvP point of view, here are the following reasons why were gonna go way of the dinosaurs on PvP:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">1) a bunch of people who roll toons on a PvP server like to roll a crazy DPS'er so they can just demolish the competition just so they can earn titles from the fame they earn.  meaning when u come across another player they're either a mage, scout, brawler, and ive seen quite a few furys and wardens.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">2) on top of all that, who wants to roll a class thats been nerfed down and already getting their a-sses handed to them by other classes who can mez, stun, stifle and all that other good stuff we have little to no defense against.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">3) and finally, to those select few who will roll defensive tank class on a PvP server, they're most likely gonna ask themselves "do i wanna roll "this" or do i wanna roll "that, well "this" can do what "that" can... but better."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">and as i've stated before, i believe the only reason why any of us Paladins even are picked up by groups is because on PvP servers good Plate Tanks are hard to come by cuz very few ever roll them, so u either u got us... or maybe one of the many scouts in ur party can tank!</span></p>

[Tharinor Degaulle]

<p><cite>Full_Metal_Mage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The same thing will happen on PvE. If the Paladin class currently on Test makes it to the Live servers, people who play Paladins will</p><p>a) betray to SK</p><p>b) put their Paladin on ice until SOE brings to EQ2 a dev who knows about more classes than just the Assassin</p><p>c) delete their Paladin to make room for a class that is not completely broken and useless</p><p>d) keep their Paladin for <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cyboring</span> roleplaying</p><p>e) keep their Paladin for tradeskilling</p><p>f) cancel their subscription</p><p>I'll probably go with option (a) and if that doesn't work out for me then (c).</p></blockquote><p>I went with (f).  The game is old (5 years now), and kind of getting stale.  They're going to ruin the game with LU51 and I want no part in it.  It was simply the last straw in a long line of straws of SOE displaying a complete ineptitude at listening to its customers and understanding their own game.</p>

[Prestissimo]

<p>If they don't quickly clean up their mess, I will go with option f as well as my wife.  This is my second toon that they are ruining due to his idiocy.  They are taking all of the fun out of our recreational fun time activity, and for all I care, they can sink with that idiot that is doing all of this nonsense.  I will celebrate his unemployment more than I will mourn the loss of my favorite activity.  If they did things like TSO but with less need to constantly grind the same zone many times and walk across the same swamp 5,000 times to draw the process out, then I'm sure they'd do much better than they are now, and I'd happily continue playing it.</p><p>A dps class should not be allowed to manage the mechanics of the game.</p>

[Full_Metal_Mage]

<p><cite>Tharinor@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I went with (f).  The game is old (5 years now), and kind of getting stale.  They're going to ruin the game with LU51 and I want no part in it.  It was simply the last straw in a long line of straws of SOE displaying a complete ineptitude at listening to its customers and understanding their own game.</p></blockquote><p>At this point I think EQ2 is nothing more than a platform for testing bits for FreeRealms.</p>

[Zapat]

<p><cite>Tharinor@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Full_Metal_Mage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The same thing will happen on PvE. If the Paladin class currently on Test makes it to the Live servers, people who play Paladins will</p><p>a) betray to SK</p><p>b) put their Paladin on ice until SOE brings to EQ2 a dev who knows about more classes than just the Assassin</p><p>c) delete their Paladin to make room for a class that is not completely broken and useless</p><p>d) keep their Paladin for <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cyboring</span> roleplaying</p><p>e) keep their Paladin for tradeskilling</p><p>f) cancel their subscription</p><p>I'll probably go with option (a) and if that doesn't work out for me then (c).</p></blockquote><p>I went with (f).  The game is old (5 years now), and kind of getting stale.  They're going to ruin the game with LU51 and I want no part in it.  It was simply the last straw in a long line of straws of SOE displaying a complete ineptitude at listening to its customers and understanding their own game</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">i dont blame any of u who will go option (f), but before i decide to ultimately go that route im first gonna give the SK a try and if i dont like the way that class plays out...</span></p><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">... then option (f) it is.</span></p>

[Kimber]

<p>No offence guys but please switch classes or whatever.  I will be sticking it out on my Pally and IMO there will still be a need for the class no matter what.  What I think some of you are failing to see or being a bit of an alarmist IMO is that even if we as Pally's we are ""reduced to second rate Guards"  This is the same thing that happend to zerks and now they are on the rise.  It happens but even with the decline in the need for zerks as MT they still had a roll to fill and so do we.  So go ahead and choose option F or roll over to SK I will take all the spots I can that ya'll leave.</p>

[Kimber]

<p>Bahh double post sorry</p>

[Full_Metal_Mage]

<p><cite>Kimber@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">No offence guys but please switch classes or whatever.  I will be sticking it out on my Pally and IMO there will still be a need for the class no matter what.  What I think some of you are failing to see or being a bit of an alarmist IMO is that even if we as Pally's we are ""reduced to second rate Guards"  This is the same thing that happend to zerks and now they are on the rise.  It happens but even with the decline in the need for zerks as MT they </span><strong>still had a roll to fill and so do we.  So go ahead and choose option F or roll over to SK I will take all the spots I can that ya'll leave.</strong></p></blockquote><p>What role do you think Paladins will have? What spots do you think you'll be taking?</p>

[therodge]

<p><cite>Full_Metal_Mage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kimber@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">No offence guys but please switch classes or whatever.  I will be sticking it out on my Pally and IMO there will still be a need for the class no matter what.  What I think some of you are failing to see or being a bit of an alarmist IMO is that even if we as Pally's we are ""reduced to second rate Guards"  This is the same thing that happend to zerks and now they are on the rise.  It happens but even with the decline in the need for zerks as MT they </span><strong>still had a roll to fill and so do we.  So go ahead and choose option F or roll over to SK I will take all the spots I can that ya'll leave.</strong></p></blockquote><p>What role do you think Paladins will have? What spots do you think you'll be taking?</p></blockquote><p>still think we will have the OT spot, as we are the only ones who can ot in offensive holy ground is invaluable click 3 buttons andu have agro back</p>

[Full_Metal_Mage]

<p><cite>therodge wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Full_Metal_Mage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kimber@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">No offence guys but please switch classes or whatever.  I will be sticking it out on my Pally and IMO there will still be a need for the class no matter what.  What I think some of you are failing to see or being a bit of an alarmist IMO is that even if we as Pally's we are ""reduced to second rate Guards"  This is the same thing that happend to zerks and now they are on the rise.  It happens but even with the decline in the need for zerks as MT they </span><strong>still had a roll to fill and so do we.  So go ahead and choose option F or roll over to SK I will take all the spots I can that ya'll leave.</strong></p></blockquote><p>What role do you think Paladins will have? What spots do you think you'll be taking?</p></blockquote><p>still think we will have the OT spot, as we are the only ones who can ot in offensive holy ground is invaluable click 3 buttons andu have agro back</p></blockquote><p>Holy Ground will let you grab aggro quickly, but you're not going to be able to hold it for long. Your OT spot will go to a Shadow Knight, a Berserker, or to a second Guardian.</p>

[Zapat]

<p><cite>Kimber@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No offence guys but please switch classes or whatever.  I will be sticking it out on my Pally and IMO there will still be a need for the class no matter what.  What I think some of you are failing to see or being a bit of an alarmist IMO is that even if we as Pally's we are ""reduced to second rate Guards"  This is the same thing that happend to zerks and now they are on the rise.  It happens but even with the decline in the need for zerks as MT they still had a roll to fill and so do we.  So go ahead and choose option F or roll over to SK I will take all the spots I can that ya'll leave.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">im still gonna play my Pally for a bit, just to see how craptastic the new changes are.  However, if i start to notice the tatics i used before are no longer effective (MT'ing in off-stance for dps, and only having to spam the blinding light taunts not really to maintain aggro as i've had no problem before, but just to lower divine resistance) then im really gonna have no choice but to betray.  i only use one toon as i've got a real life to maintain, and dont have enough time (nor patience really) to just re-roll and start over.</span></p>

[Crabshack]

<p>I seem to be in the minority here, but I have to say I am excited to have changes (good or bad) with my class and look forward to sitting down and remastering my class.  As far as Nagafen Paladins go I suspect the main high tier Paladins (Abel, Elwin, Myself) things will be business as usual.  Myself and the Guardian that shares MT duties with me in Fortitude are both excited about hate changes.  I kind of suspect managing agro will be a more tangible thing that we can track and understand better.  I mean, being able to parse hate is great, and I think once everyone gets the hang of things,  the tanks spec right, and learn their effective taunt strategies things will actually be better. </p><p>Looking at things from a purely raid perspective. Crunching numbers MT and OT agro, at least to me, looks like it would be easier to manage.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>I'll stick it out too.  I played an Illus at launch.  I have seen alot of changes since then, and they are pretty fun still after the dust settled.</p>