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[Aull]

<p>Any of you bruisers testing the possible changes to our stances? If so what what pros and cons to you see? </p>

[Megadeath]

<p>Aquestion that may have been answered elsewhere, so pardon me if it has and perhaps you could direct me to the relevant post...Assuming it hasn't been answered already, my question is this:- If you have your Def/Off & intermediate stances at Ad3, and your other buffs at M1 that are being merged into teh stances, what will happen to the spell quality? I mean, players who have forked out plat to buy masters of the buffs seem as though they'll just lose them?</p><p>Also, what will happen if you have the buff masters in your bank at the time of the chance, will they just dissapear? or will they be  replaced by the one or other of the Stance masters?</p>

[Novusod]

<p>Bruisers are getting hosed on Test right now and there are no "Pros" to speak of. All other fighters are seeing an increase in their offensive DPS but the bruiser is actually getting nerfed.</p><p>Compare the guardian Offensive stance to the bruiser:</p><p>Bruiser off stance test 800-1333 2.4 procs per minute Guard off stance test 899-1349 4 procs per minute</p><p>So on test a guard will do more damage in offensive than a bruiser in offensive.</p><p>Also Warriors get 25% melee crit compaired to 18% bruisers get</p><p>Warriors get 25% Double attack and bruisers only get 21%</p><p>Warriors get 40% AoE attack while bruiser has 16%</p><p>There is no ballace here at all. Bruisers primary role is DPS and as of now we will be losing big time. Also our ability to stand up and take damage will still be no where near as good as a guard or zerker.</p>

[Tanino]

<p>They are also making changes to Crane Twirl where it is no longer a proc, but where it will aoe auto attack a certain percentage of the time.  Unfortunately the percentage chance is only somewhere around 16% maxed out, which is really not worth 8 AA points especially as you lose your single target dps with it.  I am not sure how they are messing up the int line, but it sounded like Eagle Spin was going to be altered or removed which is a shame especially for us that solo at times. </p><p>I will be mega [Removed for Content] if they make me get new offensive and defensive stances especially as I will be losing Manhandle and Shiftiness is essentially useless with the amount of detaunts in offensive stance.  It's funny because I was actually relatively happy with the way things were, just thought brawlers needed a tad more aoe dps and aggro compared to other classes.</p>

[Aull]

<p>Not trying to cause strife here, but looks like all the other fighters are getting new proc additions to offensive stance while also combining exsisting buffs. Bruisers don't seem to be getting any thing new and the proc rates are horrible in comparison with the other fighter ppm rates in all stances.</p><p>I am not sure if this is a bug or what. If any of you bruisers in test see anything different please post if you can.</p><p>Thanks. </p>

[Gilasil]

<p>Do bruisers get better offensive CAs?  Did they mess with knockout or chi?</p><p>I assume those comparisons of DPS in offensive stance were for autoattack only (along with any double attack, proc etc triggered by the autoattack) against some sort of standard mob.  They're close enough that if they're just from a few fights statistical variations might account for any differences.</p><p>I've never been into AoE so those changes don't bother me all that much, but DPS against single targets is pretty important to me.  Right now my slot in my regular raiding group is primarily for DPS. </p>

[Aull]

<p>By the way it appears the offensive "for now" is auto attack only. Nothing that I know of has changed on knockout or chi. No changes to combat arts either. Bruisers offensive stance proc is at 2.4 ppm where other fighters are rated at 4.0 ppm. Lets not even talk defensive stance proc cause it is shameful for bruisers. Unless there is something that bruisers are getting that is an upgrade else where like combat arts or aa yet non stance related then bruisers got hosed!</p><p>Still I think that it is a bug and changes are to be made. Again I could be wrong.</p>

[Stabbath]

<p>"<span>They are also making changes to Crane Twirl where it is no longer a proc, but where it will aoe auto attack a certain percentage of the time."</span></p><p>Isn't that what a proc is?</p><p>I just got done with my lvl 80 alch. Bruisers have better cas. In the end it's more balanced than people think. I'm a monk, but I swear I drool when I see what Bruisers have. Wish betraying wasn't such a pain.</p>

[Tanino]

<p><cite>Stabbath wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>"<span>They are also making changes to Crane Twirl where it is no longer a proc, but where it will aoe auto attack a certain percentage of the time."</span> </p><p>Isn't that what a proc is?</p><p>I just got done with my lvl 80 alch. Bruisers have better cas. In the end it's more balanced than people think. I'm a monk, but I swear I drool when I see what Bruisers have. Wish betraying wasn't such a pain.</p></blockquote><p>Most procs are measured in procs per minute rather than a percentage of your attacks.  Depends on your perception but  I don't consider things like double attack or critical damage to be a proc and those are percentage based.</p><p>Monks and Bruisers overall are very similar atleast pre-mythical.  Even after all the changes, the overall impression that I get is that a Bruiser is better at short term burst damage, while monks are able to do more damage over time.  It's just individual abilities that make each class stand out and overall I see both brawlers being equally capable... unless if SOE decides to mess things up again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Daine]

<p>I was leveling my bruiser to possibly make her my new main...but now I guess I'll have to see what the damage is after this update goes through, doesn't look good for the bruiser class =/</p><p>Hard enough for a bruiser to beg a raid spot as it is, probably gonna be worse if they get DPS nerfed as badly as these testers are saying...*prays to Zek that this doesn't mess up the class*</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Stabbath wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>"<span>They are also making changes to Crane Twirl where it is no longer a proc, but where it will aoe auto attack a certain percentage of the time."</span></p><p>Isn't that what a proc is?</p><p>I just got done with my lvl 80 alch. Bruisers have better cas. In the end it's more balanced than people think. I'm a monk, but I swear I drool when I see what Bruisers have. Wish betraying wasn't such a pain.</p></blockquote><p>Well betraying is expensive as hell yes, a pain? not really... takes less time then a few quests in Moors does... especially with bruisers and monks ability to FD all the time, making you not have to kill mobs that others would have to kill...</p><p>I would love to test out a monk, but with as expensive as Silicates and getting old 40's and 50's end game masters is.. i wouldnt dream of it</p>

[Gilasil]

<p>If my bruiser becomes unviable because of this (translated:  if I loose my raid spot because the only realistic raid spot open to a non-uber bruser is DPS and our DPS is getting nerfed) then I'll most likely quit.  I'm reaching the endof my rope with devs who seem to be living in some fantasy land where brawlers are just as good raid tanks as plate tanks and just as accepted.  It seems like they're playing a different game then me. </p><p>It just won't be worth it.</p><p>And no you can't have my stuff.  You wouldn't want it anyway.  I"m not uber.</p>