Trakanon Shiled will be IMBA after GU51 [Archive]

Danter

01-09-2009, 04:25 PM

<img src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/images/items/2304.png" width="280" height="382" />This issue is too big of a deal to append to the existing thread about GU 51. This shield will completely imbalance tanking in favor of plate tanks once again.With the nerfing of threat transfers for every class, and deaggro from troubs, amends, etc, You think it would make sense that they nerf old tier loot, right? WRONG. The best hate item in the game, bar none, is going to be a piece of loot that is from an INSTANCED RAID MOB FROM LAST EXPANSION. You've got to be ____ kidding me?!?!Brawlers and any plate tanks who do not have this shield are simply not going to be able to hold sufficient aggro, since defensive stance nerfs autoattack. I'm shocked brawlers aren't raising hell about this issue.

Dasein

01-09-2009, 04:38 PM

Aule

01-09-2009, 04:46 PM

If a trak geared tank is actually running a group instance then one of two cases applies: 1) It's a guild group, in which case everybody has awesome items and who cares. 2) It's a PUG of some sort, in which case the tank is going to be so much better than the average DPS classes that it's not going to matter whether they were wearing that shield or not. I mean seriously, I haven't seen anybody hitting the channels up with "Looking for Trak geared plate tank for befallen instance, please help" or anything.

Detor

01-09-2009, 05:01 PM

If they start nerfing items from previous expansions as part of the hate overhaul like this item for instance that'll just reinforce that they DO need to change old items and you'll have a flood of people asking that various items that became less effective with these changes be boosted to compensate - and once they've changed one item because its effectiveness was altered they can't say to others "Oh, we aren't going to go back and change old items."

Glerin

01-09-2009, 05:03 PM

the trak shield itself is the exact opposite of what they want tanks to be - responsible for their own aggro, it should be changed IMO

Bruener

01-09-2009, 05:46 PM

This thread is a joke. The item is completely in-line compared to the rest of this guys loot table. That shield should be the best shield in game because it is from the end mob of RoK, it should not be replaced except by avatar loot (like they would actually put a shield on the loot tables) or halfway into TSO or further. Yes the hate gain is nice, but it is a clicky buff. I am done responding to this thread because it isn't even worth the time.

Danter

01-09-2009, 06:22 PM

<cite>Glerin wrote:</cite><blockquote>the trak shield itself is the exact opposite of what they want tanks to be - responsible for their own aggro, it should be changed IMO</blockquote>At least someone can understand the point of my thread. Thanks.

Argyuile

01-09-2009, 06:43 PM

<cite>Bruener wrote:</cite><blockquote>This thread is a joke. The item is completely in-line compared to the rest of this guys loot table. That shield should be the best shield in game because it is from the end mob of RoK, it should not be replaced except by avatar loot (like they would actually put a shield on the loot tables) or halfway into TSO or further. Yes the hate gain is nice, but it is a clicky buff. I am done responding to this thread because it isn't even worth the time.</blockquote>Did you even read the clicky buff? Do you know what the recast is? I doubt it after your comment. Also it has nothing to do with the other items on his loot table it has to do with the agro changes coming in GU51. Hooked on Phonics for the win.

Pins

01-09-2009, 06:46 PM

<cite>Bruener wrote:</cite><blockquote>This thread is a joke. The item is completely in-line compared to the rest of this guys loot table. That shield should be the best shield in game because it is from the end mob of RoK, it should not be replaced except by avatar loot (like they would actually put a shield on the loot tables) or halfway into TSO or further. Yes the hate gain is nice, but it is a clicky buff. I am done responding to this thread because it isn't even worth the time.</blockquote>I can't believe you don't know there is a shield on avatar loot tables........It isn't just a clicky buff, it is a PERMA buff when you have that shield equipped. It's reuse is non-existant, so you can keep it up fll time, thus making aggro(after the changes) for plate tanks to be easy mode that have it, but for those without it, well they are screwed.

digitalblasphemy

01-09-2009, 07:04 PM

<cite>Dantx@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/images/items/2304.png" width="280" height="382" />This issue is too big of a deal to append to the existing thread about GU 51. This shield will completely imbalance tanking in favor of plate tanks once again.With the nerfing of threat transfers for every class, and deaggro from troubs, amends, etc, You think it would make sense that they nerf old tier loot, right? WRONG. The best hate item in the game, bar none, is going to be a piece of loot that is from an INSTANCED RAID MOB FROM LAST EXPANSION. You've got to be ____ kidding me?!?!Brawlers and any plate tanks who do not have this shield are simply not going to be able to hold sufficient aggro, since defensive stance nerfs autoattack. I'm shocked brawlers aren't raising hell about this issue.</blockquote>Haha, wow, item envy perhaps?I don't have this item, but I know the effort and determination it takes to beat this zone. I've killed Trak many times and have never seen this drop other than once for the guild MT. I just love how people all of a sudden fly out of the woodwork and start crying about things that have been in game and unchanged for the best part of a year.And how many guilds on each server can actually kill this mob? It's doesn't make any difference if this is from the last expansion, the mob is still an orange con, it's still tough as nails and will be a mob most raiding guilds will never beat until the lvl cap is raised to 90.The only reason you are complaining is you probably play a class that cannot use it. Therefore, if you can't have it, nobody can. I don't have it, and have survived so far in this game. By all accounts the new stance changes are not great for fighters in D stance with the nerf to melee and other things. But this shield isn't going to solve those problems is it. Let the people who have it, enjoy it and use it. They earned it. Let the people who have worked hard to get one, continue to strive and get one.Focus your attention not on a shield that only a handful of people on my server even have, but rather on something that will affect us ALL. The loss huge loss in melee autoattack dmg from using D stance.

Argyuile

01-09-2009, 07:28 PM

<blockquote>Haha, wow, item envy perhaps?I don't have this item, but I know the effort and determination it takes to beat this zone. I've killed Trak many times and have never seen this drop other than once for the guild MT. I just love how people all of a sudden fly out of the woodwork and start crying about things that have been in game and unchanged for the best part of a year.And how many guilds on each server can actually kill this mob? It's doesn't make any difference if this is from the last expansion, the mob is still an orange con, it's still tough as nails and will be a mob most raiding guilds will never beat until the lvl cap is raised to 90.The only reason you are complaining is you probably play a class that cannot use it. Therefore, if you can't have it, nobody can. I don't have it, and have survived so far in this game. By all accounts the new stance changes are not great for fighters in D stance with the nerf to melee and other things. But this shield isn't going to solve those problems is it. Let the people who have it, enjoy it and use it. They earned it. Let the people who have worked hard to get one, continue to strive and get one.Focus your attention not on a shield that only a handful of people on my server even have, but rather on something that will affect us ALL. The loss huge loss in melee autoattack dmg from using D stance.</blockquote>Yes I'm sure Confirmed one of the top guilds on any server has item envy. Unrest has at least 5 guilds if not more that can kill trak. My guild has 2 of these shields and we didn't start killing Trak until the end of the expansion. The item could have been in the game for 200 years and it woudnt matter until the fighter hate changes. Thats the catylist. Not OMG I was XANADU and I saw this UBER ITEM which is apparently what you think happened.If you don't understand why the hate changes make this item so powerful then thats probably a large reason why you have such a difficult time with Trak.

Eveningsong

01-09-2009, 07:35 PM

It might help to look at a version from Test_copy to see if the item has actually been modified already...

Pins

01-09-2009, 09:07 PM

<cite>Eveningsong wrote:</cite><blockquote>It might help to look at a version from Test_copy to see if the item has actually been modified already...</blockquote>It hasn't.

Bruener

01-09-2009, 10:28 PM

Edit because it is not even worth arguing in this post about something that is not an issue.

Pins

01-09-2009, 10:39 PM

No, any tank would be a [Removed for Content] to use the Avatar Shield because they'll hold better aggro with the Trak Shield after these changes, and they probably have enough survivability as it is without the Avatar Shield. Thus, why even have that Avatar Shield exist if the Trak Shield is that good? Fact is, Trak Shield effect needs to be modified. It IS one of the 3 hate transfers that still exist. It should not be as good as one that is has a 2 minute recast and 15s duration. The fact is, this item is too good with the hate changes.But hey, I guess completely broken items are fine. I mean, kind of like the Summoner TSO Legendary Set Robe, or the Greater Void Bane procs which end up stacking.

Cragger

01-10-2009, 01:37 AM

This shield has already taken one major hit in the change to shield block chance, all it is now is 5% shield effectiveness. Compared to the 25% and greater of TSO heroic instanced shields. Leave it alone, those that have this item worked long and hard to get it and deserve what they have. Go put your envy into something else.

docpaulp

01-10-2009, 06:04 AM

I want to see those 25 % + shields. Because everyone from instances i see has 15% maximum on it.And also, it's not envy. Most of the people that want to change it are in guilds that HAVE it already. Please, try to see the reason behind this : If Soe is gonna change all transfers and hate mechanisms, then do it from start to end, with all gear. And not leave up and old item that totally defies the new rules.If all fighters have about the same threat output after the change as they had before, or maybe a bit better, and were near the hate gain cap with certain classes without the shield , and maxed it with it, now all (plate) fighters will have about the same aggro as before, but with the added shield none of the previous hate gain will be wasted. Where would brawlers stand then ? Further behind, again.It's like taking away the unbreakable warlock root prior to LU 13 but being able to do a looooong winded quest for all mages to get an item that enhances roots to be unbreakable again , that still existed after the LU - not the best analogy but i hope that you get the point.

Phank

01-10-2009, 01:18 PM

Taking bets on nerf bat hitting Trak Shield this week. 10% is way O.P. with the new changes to Threat mgt. It is still a difficult item to obtain for most players and should have a worthy effect. I would be happy to see the 10% reduced to 3% like the original version of Siphon Hate. 3% is acceptable.What is not acceptable is making it a clicky with a harsh reuse timer, or changing the Effect altogether. I can see it now, "Effect: Has a chance to cast Trakanon's Nutsack when caster is hit by melee weapon. Effect will cast 1.2 times per minute. - Hits target for 500 poison damage every 2 seconds, lasts 10 seconds."

Spe

01-10-2009, 01:38 PM

One of the ways of nerf is to make it timed clicky. Say 12 sec on 2 minutes recast (a bit like another trak item - the mage belt).

Pins

01-10-2009, 04:35 PM

<cite>Spetz@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>One of the ways of nerf is to make it timed clicky. Say 12 sec on 2 minutes recast (a bit like another trak item - the mage belt).</blockquote>That would be a fair change. Considering the spell equivalent for Paladins is 36% with a 15s duration and 2 minute recast(or was it 3 minute).

BleemTeam

01-10-2009, 06:25 PM

With the Trak Shield being nearly broken for so long the opposite way, I'm really on the fence about the new changes coupled with the Shield's current state. I would consider a fair change to be in line with the way the rest of the transfer classes' abilities being changed to. Meaning, give it a proc of Hold the Line, per se. When target is it, it will proc Furious Presence causing 1500 Threat. (Which is resistable obviously)I don't think it's going to be hard at all based on the Tests we've conducted to hold aggro as a Guardian. That is without this shield equipped btw.

Zagats

01-10-2009, 07:10 PM

I guess I am gonna have one seriously overpowered alt now!!!Leave it as is..... heh

Nakash

01-10-2009, 09:49 PM

Trak Shield is broken in the moment on Test (you cant use the clicky) so it seems the change is on the way.

forge32

01-11-2009, 04:45 AM

Track shield losses the 10 % of group hate siphon, becuase tanks should no longer depend on others for hate then the monks 10 % siphon raid wide should be removed to.Watch what you ask for because that will also fall in the same category.

Nebbeny

01-11-2009, 06:37 AM

Please, try to be less ambigious when you say monks 10% siphon raid wide. Some might take that to mean monks take 10% hate from all 23 people in the raid, which is stupid, but there are people like that. It's an aa, that adds a transfer to the avoidance buffs monks get, where if it's on a non-fighter, it siphons 9% of their hate, and if placed on a fighter, it gives them 4% of the monks hate. Traks shield siphoned 10% of the GROUPS hate, thats 10%, x5, this is 41 more than the monks, and comparing the two is just idiotic.

thial

01-11-2009, 07:47 PM

change the shield than remove Sigil from paladins cause that's exactly what the shield does...and if i read a post from arilek(how ever u spell his name) there not removing Sigil. Get over it its an uber item that drops from an uber mob that will be well earned once a tank can actually obtain it so let them its not going to complicate any kind of balance and if u think it does like I said get over yourself. If it dropped from say OK or even leviathan than maybe it needs a nerf but considering how hard it really is to obtain its not OP by any means...again get over your self if u think it needs a nerf.editon testsigil transfers 36% group hate to the pally for 15 sec 2 min recast..nerf the shield nerf sigil end of story

Chefren

01-12-2009, 05:39 AM

<cite>Glerin wrote:</cite><blockquote>the trak shield itself is the exact opposite of what they want tanks to be - responsible for their own aggro, it should be changed IMO</blockquote>It could be changed into something like +10% to base taunt amounts when equipped to fit in line with the fighter revamp?

forge32

01-12-2009, 06:14 AM

<cite>Einina@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Glerin wrote:</cite><blockquote>the trak shield itself is the exact opposite of what they want tanks to be - responsible for their own aggro, it should be changed IMO</blockquote>It could be changed into something like +10% to base taunt amounts when equipped to fit in line with the fighter revamp?</blockquote>Yes the monks siphon can be done same way to. =)If going to totally abolish hate siphon abilities all that exist in game should be removed.Half the time i wonder what you guys are thinking i mean seriously.I know when1 group/raid member die's all tanks then can turn around, and tell them dang im too OP only one person died instead of the majority of group/raid.Will this suit the communities demands then?.I mean you start off omg tanks dps to high ,and now its omg tanks now have abilities/item's/aa to help them hold agro.Get a grip all ready plz.This statement was not solely directed at you but to the community of QQ's that are out for blood for something incredibly so stupid.

Dorieon

01-12-2009, 06:51 AM

Lol. I like how you act like monks are the majority of people asking for this change. Seriously, its funny to me.You are reaching hard to backlash at people because some want your shield changed. Well monks aren't the ones you should attack because most of us could care less if they got rid of that ability and gave us something more useful for ourselves.Take the monk 'siphon' AA I couldn't care less. The only monks that really use it are us raiders and we take it so we can dump hate to the MT (and not all raiders take it). So like I said, please take it away. But I hope they give us a stoneskin or maybe a Moderate type AA ability. I mean all things being fair and all that, a moderate aa would be ok right?

forge32

01-12-2009, 07:56 AM

<cite>Dorieon@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lol. I like how you act like monks are the majority of people asking for this change. Seriously, its funny to me.You are reaching hard to backlash at people because some want your shield changed. Well monks aren't the ones you should attack because most of us could care less if they got rid of that ability and gave us something more useful for ourselves.Take the monk 'siphon' AA I couldn't care less. The only monks that really use it are us raiders and we take it so we can dump hate to the MT (and not all raiders take it). So like I said, please take it away. But I hope they give us a stoneskin or maybe a Moderate type AA ability. I mean all things being fair and all that, a moderate aa would be ok right?</blockquote>Did i say the majority of monks? No i believe i said the majority of the eq2 community that of course is not a plate tank.LTR.Your response how ever to defend monks is quite amazeing though.But yeah sure you can have all that stuff when all plate tanks as well get fd, and equivalent dps.You handle the laying down on the job duty, with high dps, and let the plate tanks handle the holding of agro, and actually being able to take the heavy hits.Maybe my response will show you how irelevent youres was.Take my previous posts personally like an attack against monks when actually the posts where made to show how foolish the op really was.Are you familuar with sarcasm?

Argyuile

01-12-2009, 12:39 PM

<cite>Jdark@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>change the shield than remove Sigil from paladins cause that's exactly what the shield does...and if i read a post from arilek(how ever u spell his name) there not removing Sigil. Get over it its an uber item that drops from an uber mob that will be well earned once a tank can actually obtain it so let them its not going to complicate any kind of balance and if u think it does like I said get over yourself. If it dropped from say OK or even leviathan than maybe it needs a nerf but considering how hard it really is to obtain its not OP by any means...again get over your self if u think it needs a nerf.editon testsigil transfers 36% group hate to the pally for 15 sec 2 min recast..nerf the shield nerf sigil end of story</blockquote>Yes because 15 seconds of hate transfer with a 2 minute recast is exactly the same as 15 MINUTES of hate transfer with a 10 SECOND recast.

Junaru

01-12-2009, 01:18 PM

forge32 you seem really bitter to Monks yet Monks have been a back burner class for years. You act like we do everything 100% better then any other class. Having this sheild in the game makes it unfair to Brawler tanks. Now if they added a Brawler only item to traks loot table with the same effect then I see no issues with it. You can't use the "only a few guilds have beat trak" because as long as that guild has a plate tank and a Brawler it's unbalanced.I hate seeing all these nerfs and surely don't want to see this sheild nerfed again but given SOE new found path to tanking I doubt it will remain the way it is.

forge32

01-12-2009, 02:54 PM

Have nothing against monks just making a valid point how incredibly foolish the op was for making this thread.Infact i was just posting mainly in sarcasm to his views. I could have also mentioned paladins sigil effect to do so.

Junaru

01-12-2009, 03:09 PM

<cite>forge32 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Have nothing against monks just making a valid point how incredibly foolish the op was for making this thread.Infact i was just posting mainly in sarcasm to his views. I could have also mentioned paladins sigil effect to do so.</blockquote>As a Monk I don't see it as foolish. With hate transfers this shield was nice to have but not something game breaking. Now that SOE has changed all that and left the shield un touched it gives plate tanks an ability to do a primary role a HUGE advantage over leather tanks. Again, if there was a Brawler only item with the same or close to ability no one would care. But the fact that Brawlers are the only tank who can't gain this kind of power seems a little unfair.

thial

01-12-2009, 04:03 PM

<cite>Argyuile wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes because 15 seconds of hate transfer with a 2 minute recast is exactly the same as 15 MINUTES of hate transfer with a 10 SECOND recast.</blockquote>This is true I don't have the shield so I did not relize it was a 15 min buff 10 second recast till i examined it in game I admit my ignorance on that fact. A nerf that brings the shileld inline with sigil MIGHT be accepted any further nerf than that and sigil would have to be nerfed as well.

Junaru

01-12-2009, 04:07 PM

LygerT

01-12-2009, 04:14 PM

will it ever end?nope, i don't think it ever will. been said a million times already, balancing 4 tanks for epic tanking is tough enough. all the OP is trying to do is take away something we worked for and enjoy having, it never made a huge difference but it was noticable. if you want to tank epics then you have accept that you will lose some offensive abilities to gain defensive ones, but then again in the direction the OP is already aimed i don't think that would be acceptable to him either.

Glerin

01-12-2009, 04:25 PM

<cite>Jdark@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Argyuile wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes because 15 seconds of hate transfer with a 2 minute recast is exactly the same as 15 MINUTES of hate transfer with a 10 SECOND recast.</blockquote>This is true I don't have the shield so I did not relize it was a 15 min buff 10 second recast till i examined it in game I admit my ignorance on that fact. A nerf that brings the shileld inline with sigil MIGHT be accepted any further nerf than that and sigil would have to be nerfed as well.</blockquote>and then there should be items ingame that have the reinforcement, sentinel sphere or hold the line effects on them, also we want items with adrenaline clickies, and DM clickies, just to make it all even, right? I mean, items should have class-defining abilities on them, right?yeah thought so, no, they shouldnt since then they mightaswell only make 1 fighter class I guess?the shield, unless changed, is just a overly stupid item since it goes against -exacly- what they are trying to accomplish, anyone who argues this should just stay silent. Is Sigil the same? ofcourse it is - but they already messed paladins up too much to remove that one too.

LygerT

01-12-2009, 04:33 PM

yes, they should turn it into a buckler!that was a joke, get over yourself.

BleemTeam

01-12-2009, 05:29 PM

Just because someone is a Fighter doesn't mean that they are a tank. That isn't class envy that is 24 class balance for you. If you want to be a tank, then you should wear plate armor. Doesn't mean you have to, or can't...I'm just stating my opinion and have no "hater" in me, nor do I care about "Brawler Rights". I'm just adding my contribution to this thread that has gotten completely out of hand.The Trak Shield could be changed slightly, yes. But to say that it's not fair because you can't use it because of whatever reason is asenine. There are facts in play which we all know about. The threat system is changing and will have positive and negative effects on all the Fighter Classes. I don't like all the bickering here, and I'm also sorry that while you may want things to change...fighting amongst yourselves here isn't going to help.I still think you guys are overestimating how this shield works anyway. That is another topic and debate altogether, which I have avoided like the plague to prevent being called a whiner. (The shield doesn't exactly work as written)

Glerin

01-13-2009, 12:15 PM

uhm, the shield siphons 10% hate from each groupmember, does it not? cuz thats what it says and the effect i've seen from it when im in groups with tanks who have the shield.the shield needs a change, period, i dont care if you raided 20hours a day for half a year to get it, if anyone fail to realize this shield needs a change on the clicky effect, well, I honestly dont know what to say without insulting you - atm any MT with this can get quite a bunch of hate if they have a decent groupmakeup let's say itsDefilerTemplarGuardianAssassinDirgeCoercerput up the clicky, tell the two healers and dirge to take off the effect, then your left with 10% from coercer+assassin.add in assassin 19% hate xfer and your up to 39% hate xfer, then add in coercer 17,6%(i think?) and voila; you suddenly have amends! exept it's split between two high dps classes (which i might add, any smart paladin would split it between the two anyway!) so, since amends is removed, why should not this clicky effect be? (or changed ofcourse)

Rijacki

01-13-2009, 12:19 PM

<cite>Glerin wrote:</cite><blockquote> then add in coercer 17,6%(i think?)</blockquote>On Test the coercer transfer is reduced to around 10% at Master I.

Phank

01-13-2009, 01:58 PM

<img src="http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/319/trakshieldpo7.jpg" width="310" height="565" />Whomp, there it is!

Cragger

01-13-2009, 02:35 PM

If you remove the effect on this shield (From a current tier endgame final mob that requires tons of progression to get) you effectively reduce it to junk as is much of TSO's raid drops.Without this effect shields such as Living wall [ aITEM -975961101 -1258335292:Living Wall/a ] from a HEROIC instance zone become greater then a shield from a endline progression epic.Because the drop in shield protection only losses you 4% block (after factoring in the 5% shield protection increase) yet you gain a 750 point ward that can crit and be boosted by various effects on a great proc rate. Others such as savage wall give you a 15% boost to effectiveness which equals the Stormbringer.Does the effect perhaps need to be changed? Yes perhaps, but outright removed or nerfed no.

Gungo

01-13-2009, 02:55 PM

Regardless the shield needs to be changedLikely the duration and recast at the minimum into like a 15 sec duration, 3 min recast buff.There is a ton of stuff that needs to be changed. AA's, items, set effects like the tso troub legs, etc etc. A bunch of items no longer fit into the changes. heck there are items that had 5% deagro or 5% hate gain which became alot more powerful with these changes.Personally I think the coercer should have the only transfer and it shouldnt go beyond 10% EVER.

Raidyen

01-13-2009, 02:58 PM

The dev's have put in a really bad idea of single and multi target tanks, and have gone way over board on how they worked the stances, taunts, and now detaunts for fighters that has the potential of destroying this game, and you guys are arguing about a freakin shield that you could count the number per server on one hand?

Crismorn

01-13-2009, 07:10 PM

<cite>Deekin@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>The dev's have put in a really bad idea of single and multi target tanks, and have gone way over board on how they worked the stances, taunts, and now detaunts for fighters that has the potential of destroying this game, and you guys are arguing about a freakin shield that you could count the number per server on one hand?</blockquote>My guild has looted 5+ shields and none of us have been in VP for about 3 months now.

BleemTeam

01-13-2009, 07:47 PM

It's not going to ruin the game. These threat changes should have been in the game since launch. Your telling me a concept in which a sole class has the ability to maintain another monsters attention should do so by doing more damage is actually appealing to you?And rather than making it more believeable to insult the mob, yell at it, shout slurs...etc?? A taunt is a taunt is a taunt. The person holding the attention of the mob should be doing so, through Threat(Taunts) and not by swinging a sword at it. Hell you have 23(5) other people swinging swords and daggers and throwing HUGE balls of fire, guess they should tank then.Sure this change is a group/raid change in essence. But it doesn't exclude the facts. Which are, Tanks should not be relying on damage to maintain aggro. Thankfully, now, we don't have to.

Phank

01-14-2009, 12:10 AM

The fact that they added casting time and recast time on Test tells me that they are testing different variations. I would expect the casting time to be increased significantly.

LygerT

01-14-2009, 04:56 PM

<cite>Glerin wrote:</cite><blockquote>uhm, the shield siphons 10% hate from each groupmember, does it not? cuz thats what it says and the effect i've seen from it when im in groups with tanks who have the shield.the shield needs a change, period, i dont care if you raided 20hours a day for half a year to get it, if anyone fail to realize this shield needs a change on the clicky effect, well, I honestly dont know what to say without insulting you - atm any MT with this can get quite a bunch of hate if they have a decent groupmakeup let's say itsDefilerTemplarGuardianAssassinDirgeCoercerput up the clicky, tell the two healers and dirge to take off the effect, then your left with 10% from coercer+assassin.add in assassin 19% hate xfer and your up to 39% hate xfer, then add in coercer 17,6%(i think?) and voila; you suddenly have amends! exept it's split between two high dps classes (which i might add, any smart paladin would split it between the two anyway!) so, since amends is removed, why should not this clicky effect be? (or changed ofcourse)</blockquote>that, is of course, a great example if this was not the TEST SERVER FORUM where none of that applies.

Sharakari

01-14-2009, 06:35 PM

<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite><blockquote>This thread is a joke. The item is completely in-line compared to the rest of this guys loot table. That shield should be the best shield in game because it is from the end mob of RoK, it should not be replaced except by avatar loot (like they would actually put a shield on the loot tables) or halfway into TSO or further. Yes the hate gain is nice, but it is a clicky buff. I am done responding to this thread because it isn't even worth the time.</blockquote>I can't believe you don't know there is a shield on avatar loot tables........It isn't just a clicky buff, it is a PERMA buff when you have that shield equipped. It's reuse is non-existant, so you can keep it up fll time, thus making aggro(after the changes) for plate tanks to be easy mode that have it, but for those without it, well they are screwed.</blockquote>Then to make things fair, I propose they just remove the item from the game so only the lucky few that have it get screwed rather than all the rest of the tanks on the server! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />Please..... dont throw tomatoes.... I'm allergic to them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />