Coercer Changes and Concentration Slots

[SecretNinja]

<p>Considering the upcoming changes of the Harmonious Link line for Coercers, that spell is either going to continue to be useful or be even more on demand. When in a raid this sort of puts a strain on the Coercer to find the spots to buff all the people possible without dropping any other useful buffs.</p><p>For example lets say that I not only have my coercer Mythical so that I can freely use my Posess Essence, but I also never use the two group buffs we're given which generally are pretty useless anyway.</p><p>So I'm put in a group with 2 dps classes on average with a possible third.</p><p>Thats 2 dps buffs I have to give so /wave 2 concentration slots.</p><p>One Harm Link in its new form will obviously be just as important as having Enraging Demeanor on the tank.</p><p>And that leaves me with 1 or 2 spots left for whatever I choose.</p><p>Considering our counter parts have an epic that not only makes their pet free of conc (similar to coercers) but gives them the ability to use their haste buff as a group wide buff...I find it a little unfair that we have to spend 2 or more concentration on something that they get to use 1 on.</p><p>Now as a proposed fix I'd like to ask that one of the abilities in the Coercer Shadow line be changed so that it makes our Impetus buff group wide, or something similar as a set bonus or whatever else you want to make it, just please give us this option somehow.</p><p>No I'm not saying we have to have everything Illusionists have or I'd be asking for their final abilities in the shadow line and for things like Thought Snap being worth a crap. All I'm asking is for the devs out there to throw us just one last bone. We have quite a few things to be using our concentration on and even with two coercers in the raid (who really needs 3?) its going to be hard to maintain the ability to put our newly changed buffs to use. Hate and dehate are going to be especially important after this next LU and if I could put this buff on even one more person it would be worth it.</p><p>Thanks for your time.</p>

[numbers n' letters]

<p>I agree 100%<span style="color: #ff0000;"> </span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">make </span><span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">Impetus buff group wide with mythical</span><span style="font-size: medium;">.</span> My two raid coercers are struggling with con slots. Illys have group wide haste so it doesn't seem overpowered to make Impetus group wide as well. Don't fix this my removing the group wide haste lol. So here is a free bump for ya SecretNinja, I don't want this to get lost in the mix.</span></p><p>Long } Leader of True Blood on LDL</p>

[Geothe]

<p>I honestly dont see a problem making the coercer DPS buff group wide as an newly added mythical effect either.Especially since you have changed link to be "melee version of Tandem" indicates you are trying to make coercers/illusionist more mirror images of one another, making their DPS buff group wide would go along nicely with that as well.</p>

[Cawti]

<p>At least one class (bruisers) got, in their TSO tree, a weakened version of what their counterpart class obtained through their mythical.  So, it doesn't seem hugely out of line to put this on the coercer's TSO line.  My vote would be in the "utility" slot where the Amnesia upgrade "used to be"  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Alternatively, you could put groupwide haste/impetus on the TSO tree in the enchanter line, perhaps in that poor benighted Amnesia/Phase slot?  And then give Illy's a new mythical ability to make up for it.  Nice thing about this is it throws a bone to both Illy's (poor underpowered Illy's!) who didn't get a cool new spell, and to groupers, who maybe won't see mythicals for a while.</p><p>Though I certainly wouldn't cry if groupwide DPS mod showed up on my mythical someday soon either.  </p>

[Pins]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I honestly dont see a problem making the coercer DPS buff group wide as an newly added mythical effect either.Especially since you have changed link to be "melee version of Tandem" indicates you are trying to make coercers/illusionist more mirror images of one another, making their DPS buff group wide would go along nicely with that as well.</p></blockquote><p>Then can Illusionists get a new effect on our mythical that adds a click damage proc to somebody?</p>

[Geothe]

<p><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I honestly dont see a problem making the coercer DPS buff group wide as an newly added mythical effect either.Especially since you have changed link to be "melee version of Tandem" indicates you are trying to make coercers/illusionist more mirror images of one another, making their DPS buff group wide would go along nicely with that as well.</p></blockquote><p>Then can Illusionists get a new effect on our mythical that adds a click damage proc to somebody?</p></blockquote><p>Naw, I think that giving illusionist a group double attack proc in addition to group wide haste is bonus enough.</p><p>Giving coercers group wide DPS buff would actually balance them, instead of Illus coming out ahead. *shrug*</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>I like the idea, would make alot of sense too, imo.</p>

[pubear]

<p>I have to agree.  With the changes to link, and the fact that it costs a concentration slot for both impetus and link, I doubt that I will be able to cast impetus much as it is now.   Heck I will be discussing with our mt whether I should cast it on him, and whether another link might be preferable. </p><p>Since I will be buffing the mt, ot and maybe 1 or two dps with link, there is no way I can afford to put it on any others in the group, like our dirge, etc.</p>

[madha]

<p>but coercer mythicl allrdy adds a omg ubber dmg to taunts, and has more effects on it then most mythicals. drop the what is it 500 dmg to taunt, since if a tank is taunting they are going to be generating like 900 dps and our little taunt dmg thing might get them over 1k and then they would have to be nerfed more for dps.</p>

[numbers n' letters]

<p>Free bump to <span ><span style="color: #ff0000;"> </span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">make </span><span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">Impetus buff group wide with mythical</span></span></span></p><p>Long } Leader of True Blood on LDL</p>

[SecretNinja]

<p><cite>madhatr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>but coercer mythicl allrdy adds a omg ubber dmg to taunts, and has more effects on it then most mythicals. drop the what is it 500 dmg to taunt, since if a tank is taunting they are going to be generating like 900 dps and our little taunt dmg thing might get them over 1k and then they would have to be nerfed more for dps.</p></blockquote><p>This is why I said it should be an aa ability rather then mythical. While I wouldn't be opposed to it being put on our mythical I can see how some might find that overpowered even though I do agree the double attack addition to the Illusionists haste buff is probably their equivilant to the taunt damage addition we get.</p><p>Honestly I don't think this damage really makes up THAT much of a parse but I haven't looked up the numbers recently myself. Either way we do have a rather worthless proc on our Mythical that could be what the group dps buff effect replaces if thats what they end up doing after all.</p><p>To be clear this isn't really about making the things that Coercers and Illusionists have equal as I feel thats a matter of opinion. Its about giving Coercers the extra slot or two of room for more options as I feel that would be fair.</p>

[lilbluemo]

<p>i agree! before with link being not really needed was easy to put up 5 impetus. but now that its gonna be wanted and prob needed we should get impetus grp wide.</p><p>i see 3 easy spots to make it happen.</p><p>1. instead of upping the dps amount use that aa slot to make it grpwide</p><p>2. instead of the upgrade to amnesia which is next to worhtless now.</p><p>3. add it tot he mythical or put it in place of the taunt dmg thing.</p>

[tralalak44]

<p><span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">make </span><span><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff0000;">Impetus buff group wide with AA </span></span></span></p>