Do we fight on, or quit... ??!!

[digitalblasphemy]

<p>Do any of you have any fight left in you, to fight for our class?  I woke up today feeling as though I had just broken up with a loved one.  I knew the changes we were given for TSO were too good to be true.  After seeing what is in store for us with these stance changes, I'm hit yet again with how little the SOE devs actually know about our classes.  Quiting this game seems more appealing to me than the endless plees and cries for some sanity to prevail.</p><p>Forget that our HTL only procs 20% vs 50% with Guardians, or that it's only on melee vs any dmg.  Forget that we have lower melee skills than guardians, thus tanking in D becomes something like ignoring the obvious but attempting to do it anyway.  Forget that Guardians O stance got a 4.0ppm dd proc (534-801) added to it, and ours got nerfed in dmg, 2.0ppm (240-401 aoe).</p><p>What are the few things that we need to get addressed right now?  I can think of a couple.  Let's forget the things that annoy us or that are just out of whack balance wise and think/list the things that will actually hinder and make tanking in D a nightmare.</p><p>1) Melee Damage Multiplier 0.52) Not being able to hit the mobs, so constant miss hits in D stance.3) Having O stance make all our hate abilities into detaunts.  [Removed for Content], we now have better detaunts than scouts!?</p><p>Those are my threee.  I think if those are addressed we stand a chance, if not... we are f*#@ed.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>It's still on Test server, which means it's not in its finalized state yet.</p><p>Do a /testcopy and play around with it on Test Copy server. Check out the changes for yourself. And for goodness sake, /feedback your specific issues on Test server.</p>

[Besual]

<p>I guess we have to accept that we have to do it in def stance or without any stance active. if we want to tank. May be we can get a mid stance that dosn't have bonus / penalty to def skills / weapon skills / damage mitigation. And the other classes have to learn that agro lock is now a group task.</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>How many of the people complaining in this post have actually played their character on test copy?  Just curious.</p><p>Really your input from simply reading the patch notes and assuming isn't credible, and nobody, including a dev, will notice.  If you want to make a difference go play on test server and submit feedback there.</p>

[Brook]

<p>Can I have your stuff?</p>

[digitalblasphemy]

<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many of the people complaining in this post have actually played their character on test copy?  Just curious.</p><p>Really your input from simply reading the patch notes and assuming isn't credible, and nobody, including a dev, will notice.  If you want to make a difference go play on test server and submit feedback there.</p></blockquote><p>I'm on test, and the 3 points I mentioned earlier are still the 3 most important things.  You still cannot hit a mob properly in Defensive.  The melee modifier kills our melee dps by a further 30%.  And the detaunt effect on the O stance is astronomical in it's implementation and stupidity.  Once scouts and others classes, who use their deagros, see what we have, they will be screaming.  Just to give you an example, rescue in O stance now detaunts for 8466 (no points put into STR4) and adds an extra +1 detaunt positon ontop of whatever aa's you've put into rescue.  That's the tip of the iceberg.</p>

[Grimmly]

<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How many of the people complaining in this post have actually played their character on test copy?  Just curious.</p><p>Really your input from simply reading the patch notes and assuming isn't credible, and nobody, including a dev, will notice.  If you want to make a difference go play on test server and submit feedback there.</p></blockquote><p>You always have the option of not using a stance, but with them rolling our Zerks into the stances, this makes it less appealing.</p>

[Bremer]

Quitting 1 month before the release of this patch? A bit early dont you think?

[LygerT]

<p>1) for now people need to quit comparing our buffs to guardians, focus on making sure aggro is managable at various levels against various classes</p><p>2) we need more people to log into test and give feedback on changes, especially with groups. going out soloing is going to do nothing to ensure that things get fixed before release so encourage your friends to login also</p><p>and</p><p>3) it's still early, the sky isn't falling. lets try not to assume anything without testing it first.</p>

[Elanjar]

<p>I agree with your 3 points.</p><p>1)DPS tank should not have our dps reduced that much. Especially when its not like we are closin in on the dps classes. Maybe we look like high dps'ers cause us tanks actually have to know our class inside and out since the group depends on us. This is just my opinion, i feel like these changes were made solely cause someone is hurt that tanks actually do some damage.</p><p>2) this has always been and issue, and increase our hate gain won't help since the hate is STILL generated by hitting the mob. No xtra hate if you dont hit it.</p><p>3) TANKS SHOULD NOT REDUCE AGRO... EVER. Brawlers are okay imo since they are kind of a hybrid tank/dps class.</p><p>these changes were supposed to reduce the need to rely on other classes for hate. but the increased hate is not going to make up the difference from the transfers lost. especially with dps classes increasing dps further.</p>

[lich1313]

<p>/testcopy tonight.</p><p>Detaunts need to <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>GO</em></span></strong>.  Period.  End of discussion.</p><p>You wanna penalize hate in O stance, fine.  Making taunts and abilities with hate go from apples to oranges with a stance change is the most useless, asinine, ...  *edit*</p><p>Mom said I should apologize.  Sorry.</p>

[Schmalex23]

<p><cite>lich1313 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Mom said I should apologize.  Sorry.</p></blockquote><p>LOL</p>