Parry on defensive stance

[Boli32]

<p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p>

[lavasoul]

<p>Yup, definitely something is wrong here. I hope its an oversight and they will add parry to the paladin defensive stance.</p>

[Zapat]

<p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p></blockquote><p>i am getting fed up with this kinda crap... so they nerf amends, and give us nothing to compensate except a slightly bigger taunt (i have one already, its called rescue)... now every other fighter class gets 2 bonuses in def. stance.... except us...</p>

[Cyrdemac]

<p><cite>Zapatta wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p></blockquote><p>i am getting fed up with this kinda crap... so they nerf amends, and give us nothing to compensate except a slightly bigger taunt (i have one already, its called rescue)... now every other fighter class gets 2 bonuses in def. stance.... except us...</p></blockquote><p>*sarcasm on* But We Can Heal! *sarcasm off*</p>

[Feydakeen]

<blockquote><p>*sarcasm on* But We Can Heal! *sarcasm off*</p></blockquote><p>AND WARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Detor]

<p>Just wondering if any of you /bug'd this ON the test server?  There are a lot of procs and things that seem wrong with multiple classes, so it could be a simple bug/oversight and not intended.</p>

[Loxus]

<p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure the answer will be to balance the 24% shield effectivness in the pally's hero line... But I'm sorry, when SOE does stuff like this,  it does look like they have it out for us.</p>

[Valphine]

<p>Must be wrong. Hope that..</p>

[agememn]

<p>Not to mention we are now the only plate tank with no proc hate on being hit on our defensive stance.  Why as the second most defensive tank is our stance the weakest.  I can almost understand reworking the aggro but to give us nothing whilst boosting every other tank is crazy. </p>

[Spe]

<p><cite>agememnon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not to mention we are now the only plate tank with no proc hate on being hit on our defensive stance.  Why as the second most defensive tank is our stance the weakest.  I can almost understand reworking the aggro but to give us nothing whilst boosting every other tank is crazy. </p></blockquote><p>Lies. Pally have "on successful melee attack" proc for 2K hate on defensive stance.</p>

[agememn]

<p><cite>Spetz@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>agememnon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not to mention we are now the only plate tank with no proc hate on being hit on our defensive stance.  Why as the second most defensive tank is our stance the weakest.  I can almost understand reworking the aggro but to give us nothing whilst boosting every other tank is crazy. </p></blockquote><p>Lies. Pally have "on successful melee attack" proc for 2K hate on defensive stance.</p></blockquote><p>Big difference between hitting something and being hit, one will happen when you are stunned/stifled etc, one wont - guess which we have?</p>

[Boli32]

<p><cite>Spetz@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>agememnon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not to mention we are now the only plate tank with no proc hate on being hit on our defensive stance.  Why as the second most defensive tank is our stance the weakest.  I can almost understand reworking the aggro but to give us nothing whilst boosting every other tank is crazy. </p></blockquote><p>Lies. Pally have "on successful melee attack" proc for 2K hate on defensive stance.</p></blockquote><p>Defensive stance</p><p>1.6s a min 2005-2451 threat (only 16% chance to crit)</p><p>Offensive stance</p><p>2.0s a min 1055-1758 divine damage (79% chance to crit, also we debuff divine damage, and it doubles vs undead)</p><p>We use to have the proc all the time; it has since been merged with offensive and defensive stances to give the above... where we will generate less hate from the proc on the defensive than dps on the offensive and given 1dps=1hate we thus generate less hate. loosing our buff and it being rought into the defensive stance.</p><p>Plus we need to actually hit the mob - if you've ever tried to tank a undebufefd mob for any length of time (as most OTs tend to have to do or any tank who pulls initially) our hit rate is about 40-50% so that 1.6s a min is now 0.8s a min. or once every 90s.</p><p>What is missing and what EVERY other plate tank has.. and we never did as we had a transfer before... was "passive hate" as in standing there doing nothgin and generating hate. guard generate hate from standing there blocking attacks and 50% every time they are hit, zerkers and SKs both proc damage as well as hate on the mobs tryign to attack them. Brawlers try not to get hit <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>we have no passive hate and is the bigegst loss of amends; seeing SKs gain parry on thewir def stance something PALADINS have been askign for for ages (there are perhaps 10x as many postrs requesting parry or block on def stsance on pally forums as there are on SK... maybe more. its just rubbing salt into a very old wound.</p>

[Valphine]

<p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p></blockquote><p>Why? is it just to *** us off even more?? thats just pure Evil!</p><p>What do we have that we dont get parry? Any Gamedesigner out there can explain why??!</p>

[Kiljoi]

<p><cite>Valphine wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of LU51 on test currantly.</p><p>Monks: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Bruisers: +Defence + Deflection</p><p>Guardians: +Defence + Parry</p><p>Beserkers: +Defence +Parry</p><p>Shadowknights : +Defensive +Parry</p><p>Paladins: +Defence</p><p>Explain please; how the second most defensive tank (apprantly) in the game gets less than every other tank?</p></blockquote><p>Why? is it just to *** us off even more?? thats just pure Evil!</p><p>What do we have that we dont get parry? Any Gamedesigner out there can explain why??!</p></blockquote><p>QFE... im scratching my head at this entire update.</p><p>Wtb Passive hate gain (transfer or when being hit.. something please) and parry.  I thought we were supposed to have better survivability then SK and Zerks? How about uninterruptable heals/taunts thru stun/stiffle etc.</p>

[Antryg Mistrose]

<p>As of 12jan09 defensive stance now as parry - so thats one thing off the list.</p>

[Crabshack]

<p>Well scratch one issue off our list, now for passive hate generation....</p><p>But seriously, the lack of information regarding test changes is troubling.  I've always been bothered by stealth changes.  I understand there is a need to streamline updates and make it so changelogs don't run a mile long.  But at the same time I firmly believe there should be a resource for those that wish to see every change.  Quite literally I would love to see a list of every single item , stat, and spell mechanic change in every patch. </p><p>I can't count the number of times somebody goes "oh wow look at that item, that was changed".  No where in the test patch notes do we see any mention of our def. stance being corrected.  So the ball is in your court SoE, any chance we'll ever start getting a comprehensive changelog for test or live servers?</p>

[Kordran]

<p><cite>Etsushi@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So the ball is in your court SoE, any chance we'll ever start getting a comprehensive changelog for test or live servers?</p></blockquote><p>What would be really nice is if they used Bugzilla and made it available to the public (read-only). But the chances of that are probably the same as getting a snowcone in Hell.</p>

[Valphine]

<p><cite>Antryg Mistrose wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As of 12jan09 defensive stance now as parry - so thats one thing off the list.</p></blockquote><p>Great, some good news atlast!</p>