Back AA Exp

[dstuffle]

<p>I have been playing EQ2 from with in days of its launch.  I have 2 or 3 chars that are over 4 years old now.  The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.  We're talking 20 - 40 AA points behind chars started since AA were introduced, that's a significant ability gap.</p><p>So, Now that any quest (grey or not) gives AA exp, why hasn't there been a retro-grantting of AA?  Each quest has a completed on date in the journal.  It would be a simple data base script to run through all the completed quest journal records, and if it was completed prior to when AA's were introduced, BING! character gets that much AA exp.</p><p>Simple, sweet, fair.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Welcome to . . . uh . . . 4 years ago?</p><p>This sort of suggestion has been bubbling to the surface every few months since DoF was released and quest-a-holics were seriously put out with the facts of the situation.</p><p>SOE has shown absolutely no interest in retroactively awarding any sort of XP.</p>

[dstuffle]

<p>Yeah they gave some lame excuse about scalling AA exp (based on level of quest to level of char), but that's been done away with.</p><p>Maybe, I'll get lucky, and this will be the thread that gets thier attention, and sets the scales of AA right.  (hey, I can Dream, can't I?)</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah they gave some lame excuse about scalling AA exp (based on level of quest to level of char), but that's been done away with.</p><p>Maybe, I'll get lucky, and this will be the thread that gets thier attention, and sets the scales of AA right.  (hey, I can Dream, can't I?)</p></blockquote><p>I think there may be a difference between a dream and a drug induced halucination <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  good luck though...</p>

[liveja]

<p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.</p></blockquote><p>I started in August 2005, & didn't get AAXP until EOF came out because I didn't get KOS until then. I did a LOT of quests prior to getting EOF for which I got no AAXP, not to mention discoveries, named mobs killed, treasured items found, & so forth.</p><p>But I'm still sitting at 157.5 now, with plenty of content from which to get the last 42.5 points, so I don't quite see how this is SOE's issue to fix.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>how were people complaining about AA experience in DoF when it didn't exist?</p>

[DngrMou]

<p><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.</p></blockquote><p>I started in August 2005, & didn't get AAXP until EOF came out because I didn't get KOS until then. I did a LOT of quests prior to getting EOF for which I got no AAXP, not to mention discoveries, named mobs killed, treasured items found, & so forth.</p><p>But I'm still sitting at 157.5 now, with plenty of content from which to get the last 42.5 points, so I don't quite see how this is SOE's issue to fix.</p></blockquote><p>Pretty much the same story with me.  I'm at 164 AA now, with many more quests yet to do.  After the first AA cap was reached...I think everyone was then on a level playing field.  When the cap was raised, we all started again from the same point.</p>

[M0rticia]

<p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have been playing EQ2 from with in days of its launch.  I have 2 or 3 chars that are over 4 years old now.  The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.  We're talking 20 - 40 AA points behind chars started since AA were introduced, that's a significant ability gap.</p><p>So, Now that any quest (grey or not) gives AA exp, why hasn't there been a retro-grantting of AA?  Each quest has a completed on date in the journal.  It would be a simple data base script to run through all the completed quest journal records, and if it was completed prior to when AA's were introduced, BING! character gets that much AA exp.</p><p>Simple, sweet, fair.</p></blockquote><p>As someone who has completed well over 2000 quests at the moment, I disagree with you. Why should I get retro AA for quests I completed when there was no AA system? I am level 80 and currently have 168 AA, which is fine with me. I gain one AA point every 1-2 days and I think that's a great pace. I get that AA from quests and running instances with friends.</p><p>I love questing, I complete any and all quests I can get my hands on. Not just for AA but for the fun of completing the quest and learning more lore about EQ2. Just because I chose to be a quest junkie from day one, doesn't mean I deserve extra AA for quests I chose to complete when there was no AA system.</p><p>All I can suggest is to start doing more quests, go complete any HQ's you might have skipped over, look at the discovery xp list and run around getting discovery you might have missed, mentor to a friend/guildie and get bonus AA, start doing repeatable quests as often as you can for a 2-3% AA gain, etc. There are thousands of quests in this game and I know you haven't completed them all (I'm not even close!). Besides, I enjoy doing quests in older zones I haven't been to in a while. It's fun to go back to those zones (for me anyway).</p><p>As for me, I will continue questing and gaining that AA point every 1-2 days. I'm fine with it and don't think I need retroactive AA for quests completed/discovery when there was no AA system. I'll earn my AA like everyone else is. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Hardain]

<p>For some people who have done 90% of the content that gives AA exp and have like 170AA are kinda screwed. Grind your AAs? It's way too slow to grind them, i get like 5-8% per instance now with shard quest, and i don't want to or can't make +10 instances per day to get 200AA before next expansion.</p>

[Writer Cal]

<p>10 instances at a minimum of 5% each for shard quests = 50% AA a day.  170-200 = 30 AAs.  9-10 months until next expansion.  No quests/collections/HQs included?</p><p>I know I sucked at math way back when, but this doesn't add up. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Hardain]

<p>Do you realize how long it takes to complete 10 instances in 1 day? Just trying to form them takes hours, i don't want to play 15 hours per day, and if i wanted i simply couldn't.</p>

[Rokaab]

<p><cite>Hardain@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For some people who have done 90% of the content that gives AA exp and have like 170AA are kinda screwed. Grind your AAs? It's way too slow to grind them, i get like 5-8% per instance now with shard quest, and i don't want to or can't make +10 instances per day to get 200AA before next expansion.</p></blockquote><p>To be honest although this sucks, just deal with it, assume its going to take a while, it you dont actively watch it it tends to go faster <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And yeah, I had done about 3400-3500 quests before TSO came out so I have exactly the same problem, I'm now upto 170 aa's with all the moors quests (except one or two I think) done, but meh, I'll get there eventually.</p>

[Arslan2000]

<p>Clarify something for me.</p><p>I seem to recall reading a long time ago that when we hit max level, all the xp we get from mobs, quests, whatnot, all go to AA xp.  Is this not so?  If it is, why are people all that worried about not getting AAs?  Most of my original toons missed out on 20 levels of AA with the combat xp turned off.  It's not that big of a deal.</p>

[Pins]

<p><cite>Arslan2000 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Clarify something for me.</p><p>I seem to recall reading a long time ago that when we hit max level, all the xp we get from mobs, quests, whatnot, all go to AA xp.  Is this not so?  If it is, why are people all that worried about not getting AAs?  Most of my original toons missed out on 20 levels of AA with the combat xp turned off.  It's not that big of a deal.</p></blockquote><p>Because the rate at which you gain an AA point is slower than the rate that you would gain an Adventuring Level while just mindlessly grinding on mobs.</p>

[Arslan2000]

<p><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Arslan2000 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Clarify something for me.</p><p>I seem to recall reading a long time ago that when we hit max level, all the xp we get from mobs, quests, whatnot, all go to AA xp.  Is this not so?  If it is, why are people all that worried about not getting AAs?  Most of my original toons missed out on 20 levels of AA with the combat xp turned off.  It's not that big of a deal.</p></blockquote><p>Because the rate at which you gain an AA point is slower than the rate that you would gain an Adventuring Level while just mindlessly grinding on mobs.</p></blockquote><p>That's because instead of asking for more slots, they want us all to raid, and grind our max level characters instead of them gathering dust.  It increases the amount of time we play.  Either that, or break down and buy station access.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>I could not even think of the idea with a straight face. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Finora]

<p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have been playing EQ2 from with in days of its launch.  I have 2 or 3 chars that are over 4 years old now.  The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.  We're talking 20 - 40 AA points behind chars started since AA were introduced, that's a significant ability gap.</p><p>So, Now that any quest (grey or not) gives AA exp, why hasn't there been a retro-grantting of AA?  Each quest has a completed on date in the journal.  It would be a simple data base script to run through all the completed quest journal records, and if it was completed prior to when AA's were introduced, BING! character gets that much AA exp.</p><p>Simple, sweet, fair.</p></blockquote><p>Heh, been hearing this since they announced there would be aa before the launch of KOS. SOE's response was to reset all the discovery xp in all zones since you could get aa that way. Loot that gives aa was also reset (as in if you'd looted it before aa you could loot it again and get aa for it as if you'd never looted it before)at that time. If I'm not mistaken it's set so that if you go back and kill named you killed before aa were introduced you'd also get aa for that. I didn't pay much attention to it when I went back with guildies to kill mobs like Varsoon and Everling so that could be untrue. </p><p>As someone who was at the level cap before KOS came out, having done tons of quests on my way to get there I found it easy to hit the level cap & aa cap with KOS before EOF came out. I found it easy to hit the new aa cap with EOF before ROK came out. I had no issues hitting the level or aa cap that came with ROK before TSO was released. The TSO aa are going to take more effort, but I've already got 147-148 (been playing alts a lot lately can't remember exactly how many I have) and I've barely even started doing the TSO quests due to time constraints since it was released.. I think I've done maybe 7 or 8 that are directly part of TSO other than the ones for the instances.</p><p>They are adding more new content with quests and named mobs and such that will give aa. I see no point in them going back and giving me aa for something I did years ago. I wouldn't doubt that I'd get loads of aa if they did that looking at my quest count but really, I think it's completely unnecessary.</p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p><cite>dstuffle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have been playing EQ2 from with in days of its launch.  I have 2 or 3 chars that are over 4 years old now.  The older chars are now seriously AA deficent due to thier haveing not gotten AA's for all the quests they did before AA even existed.  We're talking 20 - 40 AA points behind chars started since AA were introduced, that's a significant ability gap.</p><p>So, Now that any quest (grey or not) gives AA exp, why hasn't there been a retro-grantting of AA?  Each quest has a completed on date in the journal.  It would be a simple data base script to run through all the completed quest journal records, and if it was completed prior to when AA's were introduced, BING! character gets that much AA exp.</p><p>Simple, sweet, fair.</p></blockquote><p>yeah this expansion sucks hard for those of us, that don't have a 6 person group constantly on tap, have done a lot of the non repeatable content before AA, and were at level cap when AA was introduced.  you won't get any love from SOE, the only thing you can do is vote with your money, ie. cancel your subscription.</p>

[Tomanak]

<p>Rather than give me retroactive AA XP (and I've been playing since November 11 04) Id rather they add more quests (which they are doing in LS so I understand). Im actually boxing a baby toon on my 2nd account and going back and doing all the KoS content I didnt do with him the first time.</p>

[Necrotherian]

<p>My main is Lvl 80, with 161 AA, and I just happened to be in Longshadow Alley, looking up something to update the eq2 wiki.  I happened to see a quest feather and just for the heck of it, I grabbed the quest.  It was a level 10 quest, took me 5 minutes to complete and gave me 1% AA.  Not really that bad of a return for 5 minutes.  If a level 10 quest gave me 1% it stands to reason that a level 60 quest should give me 4%-6%.  It might not work that way, but it is worth a try.</p>

[liveja]

<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah this expansion sucks hard for those of us, that don't have a 6 person group constantly on tap</p></blockquote><p>How come I love it so much, then?</p>

[Nueen]

<p>This type of thing wouldn't really be geared for the normal everyday player. The player that says, I'll get their eventually. Some of us though raid and are very much dependant on the final AA lines. DPS hurts because of it, raiding becomes more of a pain.</p><p>Personally I've done around 1200 quests, all RoK solo quests, every single TSO solo quest and I'm sitting at 171 aa's with nothing to do. I've done every HQ prior to TSO, every Lore and Legand and did that running around for the Disco AA at the very beginning of KoS. I don't think you should have to be forced to go back and complete gray quests.</p><p>There just isn't anything more for me to do to effectively gain AA. Atleast in KoS and EoF their were grind zones. Huge zones you could run around going from named to named with lots of trash. (SoS, PoA, Kaladim, MMC) Those just don't exist in TSO and I think 2 in RoK that people absolutely hate doing now because everyone is so worried about shards.</p><p>Also in those expansions there were HUGE heroic quest lines that just don't exist in RoK or TSO. (Claymore, Soulfire) Yes, there's the Mythical quest line but it's what? 5 or 6 quests total? There's the new Sig quest but it's 8 quests total? Come on now...</p><p>Another problem I've noticed is Epic named don't give nearly as much AA as they use to. It's not even close. Maybe 10% for a named, when before you were getting 50% plus and it's absolutely frustrating when others in my guild who didn't even start playing until KoS have 180+ aa's with tons to do and I'm at 171 with nothing to do.</p><p>Couple all of that with the fact that population is going no where but down and the fact it generally takes forever to get a group now days and it's very hard for someone to gain AA's if they started anywhere near Day1 of release and actually played their toon. Kos made the cap to 70 so that's basically 60 levels of quests which gave nothing.</p>