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Huntress Jellica

12-31-2008, 06:40 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm betting you'll get to see part 2 of this story next frostfell.I seriously doubt that you'll see anything about this outside of frostfell.Well, at least I'd hope not.</blockquote>Thats what I thought too, until the developers told me otherwise. This is a new storyline for the game, not for Frostfell.</blockquote>And I pointed it out <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It would be pretty awesome-tastic if what Raf0419 is hinting at is the case. I've had the same thought, and it's what I'm hoping for as well!

Zabjade

12-31-2008, 08:15 PM

Then they need to have a nonfrostfell way of getting the armor as well for those who outgrow or spent the tokens on other things.

Vexel

12-31-2008, 08:24 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then they need to have a nonfrostfell way of getting the armor as well for those who outgrow or spent the tokens on other things. </blockquote>When I came back to the game FF was just opened, I was level 48, I got to 50 and the tokens for my 52 armor set. Then got to 60 and got tokens for level 62 armor set, now here I am 71 and again about to get more tokens for yet another set of the armor. Hahaha and here it is I thought the event would be over before I could even get to 60 let alone 70+ and having to get 3 sets of tokens for all the armor/weapon. So now I have until the end of the weekend to run 3-4 runs in Icy to get my tokens, on top of any knick-knack odds and ends for my apartment.Happy adventuring!

BleemTeam

01-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Western Wastes plays a part according to items being leaked from test

Noaani

01-02-2009, 09:00 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then they need to have a nonfrostfell way of getting the armor as well for those who outgrow or spent the tokens on other things. </blockquote>There is no reasonable way anyone can expect the frostfell gear to be needed in any continuation of the storyline.

ke'la

01-02-2009, 10:01 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then they need to have a nonfrostfell way of getting the armor as well for those who outgrow or spent the tokens on other things. </blockquote>There is no reasonable way anyone can expect the frostfell gear to be needed in any continuation of the storyline.</blockquote>Heck it's not even need in Icy Keep... most of the damage I have been taking is either the verious Melee types, or Focus... with a touch of heat mixed in once and a while(this is without FF gear).

Chips

01-02-2009, 10:38 PM

VELIOUS!!!

Zabjade

01-03-2009, 04:59 AM

I sooo want Skintight Black Panther armor for my monk (without all the sidepanels :þ )

ke'la

01-03-2009, 05:18 AM

<cite>Apsu@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>VELIOUS!!!</blockquote>I am thinking Velious is too big for an LU and all the hints point to the Baby Ice Dragon being in an LU.

Zabjade

01-05-2009, 06:33 PM

Perhaps Thurgadin will be a free content update? With Icepaw Gnolls as a new Player race? Once can hope! Leave it open for more expansion by putting an ice blocked glacier....Naw More likely....HALAS!!!

FreaklyCreak

01-07-2009, 12:06 PM

How does a baby ice dragon equate to Halas? I can se Velious, but not Halas.I was thinking more along the lines of a new way for Nagafen to try and get his love back. Soulstrip the little bugger and place Vox's Spirit in it's body. Wam bam thank you ma'am your the new Ice Queen and the love of my life.

SageGaspar

01-07-2009, 03:35 PM

Yeah I was definitely thinking there might be a naggy connection, given that they're supposedly adding level 80 content to lavastorm as their next event.

Cusashorn

01-07-2009, 03:53 PM

While I certainly wouldn't mind if that were the case, part of me hopes that they arn't going to reopen a story that had it's proper closure back at the start of the game.Sure, the Vox aspect of it remained untouched, but I felt it didn't need to be.

Harvash

01-07-2009, 04:29 PM

As pointed out already, I think ya'll think WAY too big. My plat would be on a link to the LS revamp.G.

Iagan the Swart

01-07-2009, 07:12 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Exactly whose egg did we hatch and let slip away? What reason do the Valkyries have in trying to hatch an ice dragon anyway? The parting words of the hatchling were definately ominous, and I don't think it is mere coincidence that the armor that you can purchase from the vendor is so high in cold resiste. Perhaps we will need it at a future date?</blockquote>What did the dragon say? I did the quest, but missed his speech.

Mary the Prophetess

01-07-2009, 08:37 PM

It was just a comment it made; something about , "A case of ice should hold you, you have NOT heard the last from me!", or words to that effect.

Dreyco

01-07-2009, 09:51 PM

Velious is an option. They're making a habit of building up through their expansions. This could be the start of the story *Shrugs*

Cusashorn

01-07-2009, 11:00 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velious is an option. They're making a habit of building up through their expansions. This could be the start of the story *Shrugs*</blockquote>Zeb's prophecy also states that the age of dragons has come to a close, meaning they will no longer play any major storylines in the game like they did in KoS. If this is a prelude to Velious, then Zeb's prophecy is wrong.

Iagan the Swart

01-08-2009, 12:09 AM

Didn't Zeb's prophecy more accurately state that the time of dragons was coming to an end? That would seem to imply that it is not yet over, and we don't know exactly what will bring about that end.

Dreyco

01-08-2009, 12:28 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velious is an option. They're making a habit of building up through their expansions. This could be the start of the story *Shrugs*</blockquote>Zeb's prophecy also states that the age of dragons has come to a close, meaning they will no longer play any major storylines in the game like they did in KoS. If this is a prelude to Velious, then Zeb's prophecy is wrong.</blockquote>Meaning they're not as prevelent. That doesn't mean that another dragon can't come along and basically go, "Hahaha, i'm here, i'm all powerful, and i'm ready to kick some puny little human rear end."

Zabjade

01-08-2009, 12:51 AM

I Chose Halas because it is closer to where the Dragon escaped from (Frostfell Village, has in the past, shown up as part of Everfrost) The fact that Barbarians like to Drink almost as much as Dwarves (A HOTLY debated topic in it's own right with many a barfights and hangovers to prove it.) make it seem like it might be a decent area to have a Brell's Day Event.Sure you could have it in Velious but that is more an expansion level addition then a free-content level.

ke'la

01-08-2009, 01:41 AM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I Chose Halas because it is closer to where the Dragon escaped from (Frostfell Village, has in the past, shown up as part of Everfrost) The fact that Barbarians like to Drink almost as much as Dwarves (A HOTLY debated topic in it's own right with many a barfights and hangovers to prove it.) make it seem like it might be a decent area to have a Brell's Day Event.Sure you could have it in Velious but that is more an expansion level addition then a free-content level.</blockquote>That is why I don't think it is Velious... it is just to early to start a run up to Expainsion events anyway... heck they probly are just starting the early stages of development(brainstorming and such) now.I do see a Naggy connection cause of the comming LS update. Also as far as the Naggy chapter being closes... well I seem to remember Naggy sitting on a whole clutch of Prismatic Eggs that suposedly we will have to deal with someday.

Gninja

01-08-2009, 02:19 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velious is an option. They're making a habit of building up through their expansions. This could be the start of the story *Shrugs*</blockquote>Zeb's prophecy also states that the age of dragons has come to a close, meaning they will no longer play any major storylines in the game like they did in KoS. If this is a prelude to Velious, then Zeb's prophecy is wrong.</blockquote>Meaning they're not as prevelent. That doesn't mean that another dragon can't come along and basically go, "Hahaha, i'm here, i'm all powerful, and i'm ready to kick some puny little human rear end."</blockquote>Lol that's great!

Meatmonster

01-08-2009, 05:16 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>{0}</blockquote> Well, who knows what the delivery is going to be? New expansions have lead up over months, and we get tons of little events and updates. It seems early, but I also remember filling out a survey post-TSO asking a preference between yearly expansions or bi-yearly expansions- Maybe bi-yearly won, and we're to expect something in what, May? With Gninja in the thread, I'd like to throw my hat in for Velious. Give us a Coldain player race altered ala Erudites!

Gninja

01-08-2009, 05:18 PM

So you want ice dwarves with large foreheads? *confused*

BleemTeam

01-08-2009, 07:09 PM

Well with that new Mount being summoned from the Western Wastes...kinda thinking a Temple of Veeshan is inc! Bleh, I can wish for Vulak`Aerr can't I?

ke'la

01-08-2009, 08:47 PM

<cite>Disgustipate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>{0}</blockquote> Well, who knows what the delivery is going to be? New expansions have lead up over months, and we get tons of little events and updates. It seems early, but I also remember filling out a survey post-TSO asking a preference between yearly expansions or bi-yearly expansions- Maybe bi-yearly won, and we're to expect something in what, May? With Gninja in the thread, I'd like to throw my hat in for Velious. Give us a Coldain player race altered ala Erudites!</blockquote>I seriously doupt they would be switching to a twice a year expainsion this soon after a full year cycle expainsion even if it did win(wich I also doupt, because even with all the complaining I seriously doupt you will find anyone that will say DoF or KoS is better in total then TSO). It would be more likly to come closer to summer, as they would then have the lead time to build 2 expainsion teams again.Also I remember a dev saying something at Fan Faire about Frostfell either being done or started around Feb of '08, so that would put it's development(including Icy Keep) in line with TSO development and long befor any thought of expainsion 6.Is this a lead up to a major content update... most likly... is it a lead up to an expainsion... I seriously doupt it... as such I doupt it will be Velious... though that does not mean the devs won't be adding Velious for Expainsion 6... as that one will more likly then not be a Cap Raising expainsion, and I can definatly see Velious as a "More Dangerous" area... even with the Ice Covering it gone.

Mary the Prophetess

01-08-2009, 09:00 PM

I doubt this is a lead in to a major expansion, I think Halas may be a good guess.As for the next major expansion, there are three candidates that I see:OdusVeliousThe UnderfootI'm guessing Odus myself.

Trevalon

01-09-2009, 12:21 AM

1. If you think they dont have the next 3 expansions already planned your nuts. I remember back in the day Smedley saying they were physically and actively working 3 expansions ahead on EQ1 at one time (THough this was when they were pumping out xpacs every 6 months and I believe it was they next xpac would be "almost done" The xpac after that was in the "Middle stages" and the 3rd xpac was in the "planning/development" stages).I am quite sure Sony already knows exactly what areas they are going to release xpac wise for the next few years.

ke'la

01-09-2009, 04:13 AM

<cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite><blockquote>1. If you think they dont have the next 3 expansions already planned your nuts. I remember back in the day Smedley saying they were physically and actively working 3 expansions ahead on EQ1 at one time (THough this was when they were pumping out xpacs every 6 months and I believe it was they next xpac would be "almost done" The xpac after that was in the "Middle stages" and the 3rd xpac was in the "planning/development" stages).I am quite sure Sony already knows exactly what areas they are going to release xpac wise for the next few years.</blockquote>Consitering this expainsion ENDED the major story Arc for the Launch of the game, I doupt they know what is comming expainsion wise a year in advance. Also Like you said when they where working 3 expainsions ahead that was when they where craking out 2 a year... with a once a year expainsion they have more time to work on the story and such. Also when know for a fact that the Major part of the TSO storyline was finished just befor Vhalen left last year wich means for TSO atleast they did not have the Storyline set until this time or latter last year... meaning they just now are likly finnishing up the Expainsion 6 storyline(almost a year after FF '08 Development was complete), and again we are a LONG way from Expainsion 6s release(heck they have not even registered the name yet), so I seriously doupt this has anything to do with the build up to that... Besides if it was part of the Expainsion build up they would have said so... like they did with the E.day Poem from last year.

Zabjade

01-09-2009, 02:54 PM

Another reason for Halas is there would be an even number of cities for each faction (Kelithin could be Good Neutral or Halas could end up as such with Kelethin's guards getting some training.)

Giraku

01-09-2009, 03:01 PM

Well I honestly don't know...How would that baby dragon sync up with Halas? (Not that I don't want it to be lol) And if it is a new city, it might make sense, I mean look at how neriak and darklight were relesed.

ke'la

01-09-2009, 03:40 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Another reason for Halas is there would be an even number of cities for each faction (Kelithin could be Good Neutral or Halas could end up as such with Kelethin's guards getting some training.)</blockquote>I would say that Halas would be the Marshal city(like Nariak) as barbs tend to be that way in the first place, and add to that a new Dragon in the area and it would make a good reason to have lots of troups on the street.

Giraku

01-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Or prehapes a reason for people to be going there again in the first place? Or even for the people there now to send for help. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zabjade

01-09-2009, 04:35 PM

<cite>Giraku@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I honestly don't know...How would that baby dragon sync up with Halas? (Not that I don't want it to be lol) And if it is a new city, it might make sense, I mean look at how neriak and darklight were relesed.</blockquote>Halas is not far from the Frostfell Village, that is how.

Dreyco

01-09-2009, 05:42 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giraku@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I honestly don't know...How would that baby dragon sync up with Halas? (Not that I don't want it to be lol) And if it is a new city, it might make sense, I mean look at how neriak and darklight were relesed.</blockquote>Halas is not far from the Frostfell Village, that is how.</blockquote>Frostfell village is accessed via a cubbord. Just because its art assets share Everfrost doesn't necessarily mean itss close to Halas or Everfrost in general.

Cusashorn

01-09-2009, 05:53 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giraku@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I honestly don't know...How would that baby dragon sync up with Halas? (Not that I don't want it to be lol) And if it is a new city, it might make sense, I mean look at how neriak and darklight were relesed.</blockquote>Halas is not far from the Frostfell Village, that is how.</blockquote>Frostfell village is accessed via a cubbord. Just because it's art assets share Everfrost doesn't necessarily mean it's close to Halas or Everfrost in general.</blockquote>On top of that, to claim that even Halas is anywhere CLOSE to Everfrost isn't true either. Vhalen hinted that it's not anywhere near it now.

Mary the Prophetess

01-09-2009, 07:13 PM

Well if we look at who inhabits the Icy Keep, perhaps there is a clue as to its *general* location. First, we have the Valkyries. Next, we have the Goblins. Then there are the Yetis, and finally the Constructs.The Keep is modeled after Permafrost rather than Thurgadin, so the circumstantial evidence seems to tilt toward an area nearer to Everfrost than Velious.I think when Vhalen indicated that Halas was nowhere near Everfrost, it has to be placed in perspective. He was not saying that Halas had shifted it's location as radically as being near Faydwer for instance, but rather that it was not in the *immediate* vicinity of Everfrost. I am certain that when Halas is located it will still be in the *general* vicinity.

ke'la

01-09-2009, 08:21 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well if we look at who inhabits the Icy Keep, perhaps there is a clue as to its *general* location. First, we have the Valkyries. Next, we have the Goblins. Then there are the Yetis, and finally the Constructs.The Keep is modeled after Permafrost rather than Thurgadin, so the circumstantial evidence seems to tilt toward an area nearer to Everfrost than Velious.I think when Vhalen indicated that Halas was nowhere near Everfrost, it has to be placed in perspective. He was not saying that Halas had shifted it's location as radically as being near Faydwer for instance, but rather that it was not in the *immediate* vicinity of Everfrost. I am certain that when Halas is located it will still be in the *general* vicinity.</blockquote>I would not take the Art work of the zone, or that of the Frostfell Village for that matter as any form of evidance, as to the location of the Frostfell Zone... Besides the goblin that gives the quest specifically stated that the location is hidden and that they put in a "Magical Door" to Icy Keep, meaning Icy Keep is not even in the Frostfell Village either.The reason I would disreguard zone art is because they have always used existing zone art(heavily modified maybe) for live events as it is not worth it to create new art for short term events.Frostfell Village, is just the area outside PF redressed... heck the Icy Keep Door is where the PF door is. Icy Keep was just a redressed PF, the Gigglebiter Globlin base in EL is just a redressed RE... its the same for all of the Live event zones... somewhere in the existing game world you can find the zone they redressed for that event.Just to be clear I like the fact that they do that, instead of waste resources on building a whole new zone... besides it accually takes more creative jucies IMO to make a Redressed zone look destictive then it does to make a new zone look destictive.

Mary the Prophetess

01-09-2009, 08:46 PM

Perhaps you are right about the zone art not being an type of reliable evidence, still the residents of the Icy Keep also seem to point in the direction of Everfrost rather than Velious.It's been a long time, but I do not recall any goblins on Velious. Ryy 'Gorr Orcs, and Snowfang Gnolls, but I don't remember any Goblins at the moment. There were, however Goblins in the Everfrost area. There were also no Valkyries in Velious, though EQ2 also has them in the Everfrost area. As for Yetis, I only remember them from Kunark, so Brell only knows how they got to the Icy Keep. The Constructs in the Icy Keep look very close to the old Ice Giants in EQ Live as well.Perhaps it means nothing after all, but I still believe it all points to the Great White North of old Antonica more than Velious.

Dreyco

01-10-2009, 03:18 AM

Again, Artwork aside, I don't think anyone is trying to tie anything that is art related to either Velious or Halas or wherever it is that there might be a connection. We're using other pieces of information.Hints at the western wastes? An Ice Dragon? Yeah. Those two pieces of information scream pretty heavily in Velious direction.Does this mean 100% that it's Velious? No. But I think Halas is about as far a stretch as you can get when it comes to the information presented, and is a self fulfilling prophecy in itself.

FreaklyCreak

01-10-2009, 04:04 AM

I can see Velious but I really don't see Halas at all. To me the Fire and Ice epic series seem to have a bigger connection. In one of the dialog responces you reply to the Goblin by talking about Vox being the last Icy Queen till now.On another note, even if Velious is introduced, it doesn't mean the prophecy is wrong. It means we will see Dragons weak in Velious compared to their former glory. It may even mean we find that Veeshan has abandonded Norrath or is dead. These are just speculations.

ke'la

01-10-2009, 05:32 AM

I still say the Icy Dragon has nothing to do with Velious as that would be an expainsion sized addtion and we are way to far from the next expainsion for this to be the start of the run up to that... and that the devs have said that Dragons grow up VERY quickly... I see this as a winter story line that will end sometime in May or so, if not sooner, just in time for the real run up to the next expainsion. I also am not sold on it having anything to do with Halas either, but who knows for shure... heck for all we know the last we hear of this Dragon will be in the epicx4 zone comming in LU52.

shibo

01-10-2009, 08:15 AM

I think it might have more to do with Velious than anyone thinks.Just because this was started in FF doesn't mean they can't have the story evolve over the year or howeverlong they take to put out the next expansion.Who is to say they don't have this planned to tie into and lead up to a Velious expansion?Not us, thats for sure.

Zabjade

01-10-2009, 01:01 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giraku@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I honestly don't know...How would that baby dragon sync up with Halas? (Not that I don't want it to be lol) And if it is a new city, it might make sense, I mean look at how neriak and darklight were relesed.</blockquote>Halas is not far from the Frostfell Village, that is how.</blockquote>Frostfell village is accessed via a cubbord. Just because its art assets share Everfrost doesn't necessarily mean itss close to Halas or Everfrost in general.</blockquote>Ahh but in previous Frostfells, when you looked at the map (before the new maping system) you showed up on Everfrost. It may be an in-game goof that was corrected with the new maps but it was still there I just figured a secret grotto there.Cusa>>>>I'm aware that Halas is not in the exact same place but I figure it is still a lot closer the Velious.

Dreyco

01-10-2009, 07:09 PM

That's because the game thinks its everfrost, because you're sitting in the zone that looks a whole heck of a lot like EverFrost..... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zabjade

01-11-2009, 04:50 AM

Looks like a Duck Quacks like a Duck and isn't a Tinkered Mallard Etc etc. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dreyco

01-11-2009, 05:48 AM

Or in this case, is borrowing code from the Duck line of C++, therefor, the client recognizes that the code speaks as "Duck", even though the story says that it's in a magical cubbord x.x

Kamimura

01-11-2009, 09:14 AM

I came across this thread a bit earlier tonight, and it makes me wonder if perhaps something will be going down in Everfrost after all..<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=437051" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=437051</a>

Zabjade

01-11-2009, 09:03 PM

<cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I came across this thread a bit earlier tonight, and it makes me wonder if perhaps something will be going down in Everfrost after all..<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=437051" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=437051</a></blockquote>Well they DID have the Frostfell stuff planned out ahead of time this year, as well as the new Nights of the Dead, Sounds suspiciously like there will be a theme to the holiday events this year....Sounds like F.U.N!

Cusashorn

01-11-2009, 11:11 PM

Well of course they planned the holidays out ahead of time. They have to. Frostfell, Erollisi Day, Nights of the Dead, and even to a lesser extent, Brell's Day have all been the same old same old for the last two years. They needed to change things this year, and planning it out all during the month that it happens isn't very bright.

ke'la

01-12-2009, 12:03 AM

FreaklyCreak

01-12-2009, 02:23 AM

this makes me think...was nights of the dead cannon lore now? Because it said that it is a reminder that the undead suddenly raided majdul looking for something. They either couldnt find it or they did so they left but everyone was clueless as to why...

Cyliena

01-12-2009, 11:39 AM

I would LOVE for the next expansion to be Velious. That was, by far, my favorite EQ1 expansion.My initial thought is that the baby dragon could be the long lost son/daughter of Kerafyrm (The Sleeper). Vox is also possible, and given the pending "Spirit of Halas" quest in Everfrost, it seems more likely that Vox may have an offspring.Who knows? Hopefully we'll find out before the memories of Icy Keep are long and dead in our minds. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zabjade

01-12-2009, 02:55 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well of course they planned the holidays out ahead of time. They have to. Frostfell, Erollisi Day, Nights of the Dead, and even to a lesser extent, Brell's Day have all been the same old same old for the last two years. They needed to change things this year, and planning it out all during the month that it happens isn't very bright.</blockquote>This last set of holiday's was a pleasent suprise! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> So having a theme that connects the Holidays makes things interesting! In the past they recycled stuff however, so they had no need to. And if it happens to introduce a Halas or even a new Halas it would be even better....Speaking of the Everfrost area, do you think they will add in a quest to rebuild the burnt down cottage there maybe expand it into a little town, that would make things interesting there <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> ?

KniteShayd

01-18-2009, 09:20 AM

Personally, I really hope that the Icy Keep was a prelude to the next expansion. Or, even to something of an adventure pack ...For all you nay-sayers, Keep in mind TSO was alluded to Last year during the E'Day event for Valentines day with the lovers' poem... So for the devs to do something like that, would not be unprecedented... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />

ke'la

01-18-2009, 10:44 AM

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally, I really hope that the Icy Keep was a prelude to the next expansion. Or, even to something of an adventure pack ...For all you nay-sayers, Keep in mind TSO was alluded to Last year during the E'Day event for Valentines day with the lovers' poem... So for the devs to do something like that, would not be unprecedented... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The differances with the E-day poem are:a) it was stated that it was a "Clue" to the expainsion the second it was published.b) E-day is the week of Feb 14th, Frostfell went live Dec 11th thats 2 months befor the first TSO clue.c) The first TSO clue (E-Day) was released after they trademarked the name(granted it was trademarked wrong at the time, but it was Trademarked).d) If my memory is correct in what the dev said Icy Keep and ALL the lore around it was prepaired at around the same time the E-day poem was released LAST YEAR... I seriously doupt they where thinking up clues for expainsion 6 when they had just released the FIRST CLUE for expainsion 5.e) There is also a Major differance between a clue posted here on thier website (the E-day poem) and an IN GAME event that is a clue to the expainsion, and the first one of those was not released until May 13th in LU45, and that one was not a clue to the major theme of the expainsion it was just a clue as to what God is being added. The first clue about the major theme was not until the next LU on June 17th, and I am sorry it being a clue to Vellonus would deffinatly qualify as a "Major theme"

Dreyco

01-18-2009, 03:25 PM

I'm sure that developers have well decided their next expansion before the release of even TSO, so that when TSO hits the shelves, they can immidiately start working on the next expansion's content. This could even begin happening BEFORE TSO is released.Art is finished well before the product gets populated. Stories are written before beta testing. The list goes on. We the players see a fast forward of the dev's world.It is not beyond the realm of possibility for this to be a hint.Could it be Halas? I don't know. It could be.Could it be Velious? Hard Evidence in the form of Item Tags with the names of Velious Zones states that it very well could be.What it isn't pointing at, however, at least not yet, is a new race, or an adventure pack, being they said before already that they aren't going to be releasing new adventure packs, and instead start doing really big live updates for us.

ke'la

01-19-2009, 02:50 AM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure that developers have well decided their next expansion before the release of even TSO, so that when TSO hits the shelves, they can immidiately start working on the next expansion's content. This could even begin happening BEFORE TSO is released.Art is finished well before the product gets populated. Stories are written before beta testing. The list goes on. We the players see a fast forward of the dev's world.It is not beyond the realm of possibility for this to be a hint.Could it be Halas? I don't know. It could be.Could it be Velious? Hard Evidence in the form of Item Tags with the names of Velious Zones states that it very well could be.What it isn't pointing at, however, at least not yet, is a new race, or an adventure pack, being they said before already that they aren't going to be releasing new adventure packs, and instead start doing really big live updates for us.</blockquote>Yes, they would start the next expainsion befor the previous expainsion is done... and likly befor it even enters beta... I seriously doupt though that It was completed(the pre-development stuff like the majority of the lore) while they where still working on the epic weopons.For Icy Keep to be a clue to the next expainsion they would of had to have the MAJOR lore done, Befor Last Febuary as that was when FF was completed, based on my memory of a dev statment at Fan Fair... wich was along the lines of, we had Frostfell complete sence Feb. As I don't think Vhalan has even left in Feb., and he left after the Major Lore for TSO was complete I seriously doupt that the Major lore for the expainsion to FALLOW TSO was complete.This is the time line that is required for this to have anything to do with the next expainsion...<ol><li>Nov 2007 RoK Launched</li><li>~Nov '07 - April '08 complete the major Lore for TSO</li><li>~Nov '07 - Dec '07 complete the major lore for Expainsion to follow TSO</li><li>Dec '07 - Feb '07 complete Icy Keep.</li></ol>See how I say they can even have possably had the info to allow for Icy Keep to be included in the Clues for the next expainsion.Then there is the fact that they have NEVER given clues to the next expainsion with an in game event in December... heck I don't even think the KoS in game info started until Jan. and that was released in Feb.Then there is the fact that every time they give us a clue to the next expainsion the hang a neon sign on it saying "This is a clue to the next expainsion", in the case of Icy Keep they are saying we will see the Dragon again, and they grow up quickly... this sound a heck of alot more like a clue to an upcomming Game Update NOT an expainsion.

Dreyco

01-19-2009, 05:24 AM

Just depends on how you define "Grow up Quickly."If "Grow Up Quickly" translates to becoming full grown, fully powered, and fully ready to omgpwnfaeface in a month? Game update. A year? Expansion! *Chuckles*

ke'la

01-19-2009, 05:42 AM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just depends on how you define "Grow up Quickly."If "Grow Up Quickly" translates to becoming full grown, fully powered, and fully ready to omgpwnfaeface in a month? Game update. A year? Expansion! *Chuckles*</blockquote>True but the fact remains that when the E-day clue was released on the boards(not in game) they flat out said, "This is has something to do with the expainsion". The same thing they said with all the TSO clues, as well as all other clues from all the other expainsions. With this siduation they said we will see it again, and that they grow up quickly. In my experiance when they devs say something like "quickly" we are looking at less then 6months, while soon(tm) tends to be over 6months, and beyond soon(TM) we are looking at a year or more, and with a new story line, x2 and x4 raid being added in LU52 I am thinking that is when it will grow up.

Zabjade

01-19-2009, 06:49 AM

The reason I think as I do is simple logistics. •Halas and a new Newbie Zone are what two-three zones max with a few Housing and guild Hall instances.•Velious would be, Player City, half water-filled megazones, Several overland Dungeons and several instances for Solo group and raid content.•Third option: Frostfell village in the off season might be used in all the events possibly we might see some grass in the zone and stuff.•Fourth Option: None of the Above and the Devs are laughing at us for all of our extravagant ideas.

Cusashorn

01-19-2009, 09:33 AM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>•Velious would be, Player City, half water-filled megazones, Several overland Dungeons and several instances for Solo group and raid content.</blockquote>Actually, undernearth all that ice is Velium and Rock. There wouldn't be nearly as much water as you'd think.

Zabjade

01-22-2009, 01:39 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>•Velious would be, Player City, half water-filled megazones, Several overland Dungeons and several instances for Solo group and raid content.</blockquote>Actually, undernearth all that ice is Velium and Rock. There wouldn't be nearly as much water as you'd think.</blockquote>Yup just didn't want to start an argument on a tangent so I went what what most people believe. Remember I'm the one who campians for the inclusion of Icepaw Gnolls as a Player race. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It would be the type of Velium called Ancient Velium as opposed to the T4 common, that is my guess. That reminds me, does that waterfall in Kurnark the one near Teren's Grasp looks more like a velium geyser then water...?

KniteShayd

01-24-2009, 06:16 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>The differances with the E-day poem are:a) it was stated that it was a "Clue" to the expainsion the second it was published.b) E-day is the week of Feb 14th, Frostfell went live Dec 11th thats 2 months befor the first TSO clue.c) The first TSO clue (E-Day) was released after they trademarked the name(granted it was trademarked wrong at the time, but it was Trademarked).d) If my memory is correct in what the dev said Icy Keep and ALL the lore around it was prepaired at around the same time the E-day poem was released LAST YEAR... I seriously doupt they where thinking up clues for expainsion 6 when they had just released the FIRST CLUE for expainsion 5.e) There is also a Major differance between a clue posted here on thier website (the E-day poem) and an IN GAME event that is a clue to the expainsion, and the first one of those was not released until May 13th in LU45, and that one was not a clue to the major theme of the expainsion it was just a clue as to what God is being added. The first clue about the major theme was not until the next LU on June 17th, and I am sorry it being a clue to Vellonus would deffinatly qualify as a "Major theme"</blockquote>Ok, so what I get from this is: you're absolutely convinced that the devs could/would/should never try anything new because it would deviate from what you came to know... Gods forbid they do something different.Just because they have followed trends, doesn't bind them to do that. Thats the point I'm making. A connection that is similar to what we have seen(E'Day poem/TSO), yet done differently than what we have come to know(your points).On another point, devs have said the expansions are fleshed out long before they are released, and really worked on. We all know Vhalen had outlines fleshed out for future expansions before he left. Post-Vhalen, the devs were left to fill in the gaps. Unless you have insider info to share with us, we may not necessarily know what specifically was done before he left. Therefore, he could have planned expansions to release by content, leaving the devs we have now to work on the lore details and art. An example would be, "Now that i'm leaving, here's a list of how I planned the lore to go. After TSO, we disco this land because I planned for everyone to go here next, then we tie in a minor story line with this expansion to make flow to this land. Ok, work out the details. Bye!"

ke'la

01-25-2009, 07:48 AM

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>The differances with the E-day poem are:a) it was stated that it was a "Clue" to the expainsion the second it was published.b) E-day is the week of Feb 14th, Frostfell went live Dec 11th thats 2 months befor the first TSO clue.c) The first TSO clue (E-Day) was released after they trademarked the name(granted it was trademarked wrong at the time, but it was Trademarked).d) If my memory is correct in what the dev said Icy Keep and ALL the lore around it was prepaired at around the same time the E-day poem was released LAST YEAR... I seriously doupt they where thinking up clues for expainsion 6 when they had just released the FIRST CLUE for expainsion 5.e) There is also a Major differance between a clue posted here on thier website (the E-day poem) and an IN GAME event that is a clue to the expainsion, and the first one of those was not released until May 13th in LU45, and that one was not a clue to the major theme of the expainsion it was just a clue as to what God is being added. The first clue about the major theme was not until the next LU on June 17th, and I am sorry it being a clue to Vellonus would deffinatly qualify as a "Major theme"</blockquote>Ok, so what I get from this is: you're absolutely convinced that the devs could/would/should never try anything new because it would deviate from what you came to know... Gods forbid they do something different.Just because they have followed trends, doesn't bind them to do that. Thats the point I'm making. A connection that is similar to what we have seen(E'Day poem/TSO), yet done differently than what we have come to know(your points).On another point, devs have said the expansions are fleshed out long before they are released, and really worked on. We all know Vhalen had outlines fleshed out for future expansions before he left. Post-Vhalen, the devs were left to fill in the gaps. Unless you have insider info to share with us, we may not necessarily know what specifically was done before he left. Therefore, he could have planned expansions to release by content, leaving the devs we have now to work on the lore details and art. An example would be, "Now that i'm leaving, here's a list of how I planned the lore to go. After TSO, we disco this land because I planned for everyone to go here next, then we tie in a minor story line with this expansion to make flow to this land. Ok, work out the details. Bye!"</blockquote>Yes, the devs change, however, it makes no sence at all to release a "clue" to the expainsion without letting people know it is a clue, they are NOT super villans they are developers of a game and want to make a profit, they would WANT the publicity of a clue about the expainsion.Also I noticed you glossed over the timeline I also posted. BTW, Vhalen left around April 3 months after Icy Keep was done(based on my memory) and he left after he was done with TSO's major story lines, so what you are saying is he stopped working on TSO lore, to work on the lore for an expainsion that will be released long after he has left the EQ2 team, I find that hard to beleave.The timeline just does not work for this to be a clue to an expainsion, however it works very well for it to be a timeline for an LU.

Noaani

01-25-2009, 08:25 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>it makes no sence at all to release a "clue" to the expainsion without letting people know it is a clue</blockquote>They did it with the E-day poem last year, it wasn't until later that they said it was connected to the expansion.

KniteShayd

01-25-2009, 11:42 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, the devs change, however, it makes no sence at all to release a "clue" to the expainsion without letting people know it is a clue, they are NOT super villans they are developers of a game and want to make a profit, they would WANT the publicity of a clue about the expainsion.Also I noticed you glossed over the timeline I also posted. BTW, Vhalen left around April 3 months after Icy Keep was done(based on my memory) and he left after he was done with TSO's major story lines, so what you are saying is he stopped working on TSO lore, to work on the lore for an expainsion that will be released long after he has left the EQ2 team, I find that hard to beleave.The timeline just does not work for this to be a clue to an expainsion, however it works very well for it to be a timeline for an LU.</blockquote>No, what I was saying was, vhalen could have had a general outline for other lore than TSO, and other lore past that storyline. He could have had an outline for other expansions, and the way they connect to eachother... You're saying it's not likely.The only one's who can say for sure are the devs, or Vhalen himself.Nothing has to make sense. Many things don't, and can be made to at a later time.

ke'la

01-26-2009, 07:19 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>it makes no sence at all to release a "clue" to the expainsion without letting people know it is a clue</blockquote>They did it with the E-day poem last year, it wasn't until later that they said it was connected to the expansion.</blockquote>Yeah <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=409875" target="_blank">~17 days</a> latter, I think we are LONG past that point. In fact even in the Heart in the Hound post from Doomcookie there was a hint that LOTS of lore was comming... in this all we have is "they grow up fast" doesn't sound like alot of lore there.<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, the devs change, however, it makes no sence at all to release a "clue" to the expainsion without letting people know it is a clue, they are NOT super villans they are developers of a game and want to make a profit, they would WANT the publicity of a clue about the expainsion.Also I noticed you glossed over the timeline I also posted. BTW, Vhalen left around April 3 months after Icy Keep was done(based on my memory) and he left after he was done with TSO's major story lines, so what you are saying is he stopped working on TSO lore, to work on the lore for an expainsion that will be released long after he has left the EQ2 team, I find that hard to beleave.The timeline just does not work for this to be a clue to an expainsion, however it works very well for it to be a timeline for an LU.</blockquote>No, what I was saying was, vhalen could have had a general outline for other lore than TSO, and other lore past that storyline. He could have had an outline for other expansions, and the way they connect to eachother... You're saying it's not likely.The only one's who can say for sure are the devs, or Vhalen himself.Nothing has to make sense. Many things don't, and can be made to at a later time. </blockquote>The Void was Vhalen's baby he completed that arc with TSO, I don't see another major arc dating back to Launch of EQ2, so I seriouly doupt he would have started a new one right befor he left the team... especally while he was still working on finnishing the Lore for the CURRENT expainsion.This whole thread reminds me of the wishful thinking "Luclin" threads, that came out when they mis-registered the name of TSO as The Shaddow of Odyssey, or when a SoL/BL lover looks up and sees the more soild side of Luclin.

Noaani

01-26-2009, 10:48 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=409875" target="_blank">~17 days</a> latter, I think we are LONG past that point. In fact even in the Heart in the Hound post from Doomcookie there was a hint that LOTS of lore was comming... in this all we have is "they grow up fast" doesn't sound like alot of lore there.</blockquote>If you had have made this argument in those 17 days last year, you may have been able to use the fact that previous expansions had nothing in game until release (DoF), nothing in game until 6 weeks prior to launch (KoS), and nothing in game until 3 months before launch (EoF), so the fact that SoE released the poem last year when they did means it CAN'T be a part of the expansion lore, because it is 6 months early.I am not saying it is lore for the expansion, I am not saying it isn't, I am just saying that you can't use what has happened in the past as a basis for this type of claim.I remember people saying the clouds high up in the sky 6 weeks or so before KoS can't have anything to do with the expansion, because the expansion was still 6 whole weeks away!

ke'la

01-26-2009, 03:27 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=409875" target="_blank">~17 days</a> latter, I think we are LONG past that point. In fact even in the Heart in the Hound post from Doomcookie there was a hint that LOTS of lore was comming... in this all we have is "they grow up fast" doesn't sound like alot of lore there.</blockquote>If you had have made this argument in those 17 days last year, you may have been able to use the fact that previous expansions had nothing in game until release (DoF), nothing in game until 6 weeks prior to launch (KoS), and nothing in game until 3 months before launch (EoF), so the fact that SoE released the poem last year when they did means it CAN'T be a part of the expansion lore, because it is 6 months early.I am not saying it is lore for the expansion, I am not saying it isn't, I am just saying that you can't use what has happened in the past as a basis for this type of claim.I remember people saying the clouds high up in the sky 6 weeks or so before KoS can't have anything to do with the expansion, because the expansion was still 6 whole weeks away!</blockquote>You do realise that the Poem was not IN GAME right, there still has been Nothing in game that has to do with the expainsion until ~3 months prior to launch. And both with the live events last summer AND the live events for EoF had the devs again out right saying that this is a lead in to the expainsion... here there is NOTHING... BTW, someone did make that sugjestion that year in reguards to the E-day poem... no one responded to it.Also the clouds you can see from the surface of Norath do have nothing to do with KoS... you know why? Because the islands of KoS are so high up they can not be seen from the ground. The only floating islands that can be seen from the ground is SC and Poet's.You also have not answered my other point that Icy Keep was done LAST YEAR, wich means they would have had to have had the major storyline for the expainsion 6 fairly well complete, prior to completing the major lore for expainsion 5(TSO).

glowsintheda

01-27-2009, 02:38 PM

Hmm, did I miss something? I was under the impression that Halas was destroyed. Swimming around in the north west corner of everfrost there were all sorts of ruins/debris and barbarian ghosts. Heck I remember doing a quest where I had to salavage pieces of the skiff that used to cross the little icy pond that was right in front of the city in EQ1.

KniteShayd

01-27-2009, 06:12 PM

<cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm, did I miss something? I was under the impression that Halas was destroyed. Swimming around in the north west corner of everfrost there were all sorts of ruins/debris and barbarian ghosts. Heck I remember doing a quest where I had to salavage pieces of the skiff that used to cross the little icy pond that was right in front of the city in EQ1.</blockquote>No, Halas is still in existance. It broke off from Everfrost and is currently somewhere unknown to us.

Meirril

01-28-2009, 02:15 AM

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm, did I miss something? I was under the impression that Halas was destroyed. Swimming around in the north west corner of everfrost there were all sorts of ruins/debris and barbarian ghosts. Heck I remember doing a quest where I had to salavage pieces of the skiff that used to cross the little icy pond that was right in front of the city in EQ1.</blockquote>No, Halas is still in existance. It broke off from Everfrost and is currently somewhere unknown to us.</blockquote>It relocated to a more tropical location. Look for it somewhere in the Ocean of Tears as a staging area for the new Velious. Don't let the influx of Icepaw gnolls, dwarves, gnomes and otters confuse you, it really is Halas.Well, at least that's what I think happened.

betatester7

06-21-2009, 03:27 AM

I didn't want to start another thread, so, let's use this too, my question is, the little dragon will be related to the new stuff in kurnak? or with the new expansion? This dragon in this event was captured, and us (players) we relase him, so do you think also we can meet again this dragon if not is little, maybe in this months has been growing up

Cusashorn

06-21-2009, 03:34 AM

We honestly do not know. There's no way to find out until the expansion is released.

ke'la

06-21-2009, 05:34 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>We honestly do not know. There's no way to find out until the expansion is released.</blockquote>unless they give us that info at Fan Faire... wich I doupt.

Maergoth

06-21-2009, 10:45 AM

Can someone supply a source for the idea that Halas simply "Broke off and floated away"?As far as I know, Halas was not on an ice sheet and there wasn't enough tectonic turmoil to move a city clear across the globe.If it was indeed on the ice sheet, which by location is possible I suppose.. there's no way it's in a tropical area, or no way it would last long there.

Mirander_1

06-21-2009, 01:57 PM

There is no source for Halas floating away, that's just fan conjecture. All we know, is that it still exists. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=30&topic_id=186933" target="_blank">Here's</a> the Vhalen quote (EDIT: or rather, the only Vhalen quote on Halas, unless one snuck in on a dev chat):"Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon. But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force."

asdfasdf

06-21-2009, 04:22 PM

But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force."My guesses:"________""THE VOID""THE RIME""ICEGIANT"

Lodrelhai

06-21-2009, 04:45 PM

<cite>betatester7 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I didn't want to start another thread, so, let's use this too, my question is, the little dragon will be related to the new stuff in kurnak? or with the new expansion? This dragon in this event was captured, and us (players) we relase him, so do you think also we can meet again this dragon if not is little, maybe in this months has been growing up</blockquote>Minor correction: we didn't free the little guy. We went there to kill him in the egg, and he got away. Given the way the leader of the Ice Maiden forces talked about having to protect the egg, I don't think he was a prisoner either.He does say we'll see him again though. And I think MissDoomCookie once mentioned that young dragons grow up very fast...

betatester7

06-21-2009, 05:44 PM

so, is a possibility about this cute and lovable little dragon, is now an evil and huge dragon plotting some evil stuff in revenge of the Ice Maiden forces...I hope that in Fan Faire will get some new clues

Cusashorn

06-21-2009, 09:09 PM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>There is no source for Halas floating away, that's just fan conjecture. All we know, is that it still exists. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=30&topic_id=186933" target="_blank">Here's</a> the Vhalen quote (EDIT: or rather, the only Vhalen quote on Halas, unless one snuck in on a dev chat):"Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon. But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force."</blockquote>If I remember right, some of our posts were lost in translation back when we still used the old message boards here. I KNOW I remember reading a post by Vhalen saying that Halas is no longer near Everfrost. It was a post I remember reading many times.

Maergoth

06-21-2009, 09:43 PM

Yes, but he may not have meant physically.. The culture, the people.. they could all have relocated to this "New Halas" we've seen mention of.Or perhaps an Erudite happened to be there and teleported Halas near Erudin, if they did indeed teleport that away as well <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

KniteShayd

06-23-2009, 05:00 AM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon. But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force."</blockquote>The reason why they won't be talking anytime soon isn't because we haven't found Halas, It's because they were under Rime's control as slaves.My Guesses here are:A. Halas broke off and moved to/collided with VeliousB. The Halasians that fled Halas, purposely fled to Velious somehow. And, while there, established New Halas Because they couldn't leave the continent due to The Rending. There they fought with Rime, and some were enslaved.C. Happened upon Velious while fleeing Halas frome either war with The Rime and/or the Rallosians. And colonized.D. Were brought as war prisoners to Halas by Rime. Some escaped and founded New Halas.