Dueling, a system to promote fair PVP

[Kaltona]

<p>I love the pvp server, ever since i first played I knew I could never play on the PvE servers again.</p><p>Above all I love a good fight. An evenly matched fight, win or loose it gives me more satisfaction than getting a title ever has. I wouldnt deny I like to maintain a title if I can, but it does not rule the way I play like it does to many players, I try and fight as many battles as I can.</p><p>BTW just to clarify, I am not talking about dueling your friends of same allignment, im talking about duels FP v Q.</p><p>Anyway my proposal is to implement a system similar to that on PvE servers, where you can challenge people for duels.</p><p>If both people accept the duel:</p><p>- They have 10 seconds before the duel begins, then each will be locked in combat with eachother.</p><p>- They are in a locked encounter, ie they cannot be attacked by any other players, preventing leeching etc.</p><p>- Fame and other drops work like normal,</p><p>- When the encounter is over with one player loosing, the winner has 30 seconds of immunity.</p><p>- Duels can be 1v1 or group v group, ( group leaders have to initiate the duel maybe )</p><p>I think this would promote some good fights that make me enjoy the game as much as I do. Other possibilities could include ways to bet gold on the fights, between the players taking part. Obviously this idea would have to be refined somewhat but I think it would be a great change. I mean the pve servers have a dueling system, so it proved it can be done!</p>

[Paikis]

<p>No. What are you going to do, stalk someone across a whole zone, stealthily sneak up behind then and then... challenge them to a duel?</p><p>Go play on a blue server plx.</p>

[Darkor]

<p>I am all for allowing duells on pvp server. BUT only between your own faction, no fame/money/equipment loss and no kill/death-count on your character.</p><p>Fighting with the enemy stays the same. This is a pvp and not a duell server.</p>

[Sorffats]

<p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am all for allowing duells on pvp server. BUT only between your own faction, no fame/money/equipment loss and no kill/death-count on your character.</p><p>Fighting with the enemy stays the same. This is a pvp and not a duell server.</p></blockquote><p>/agree.</p><p>I'm for enabling dueling on pvp server as well, but only within your own faction.  Arena's are ok, but you can't do arenas without the heal/power potions and little pop up spell things.   I wish there was an arena setting where you didn't have to go in as a member of either red or blue group, there were no heal/power potions, none of those nifty spells, and no structures whatsoever.   Just one big open room that could hold up to 100 people where you can go in, form your own groups or just have one massive FFA pvp last man standing wins battle with your friends and/or guild.</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>I want a Arena that works!</p>

[Kaltona]

<p>No no no youve got me all wrong, maybe I didnt explain properly.</p><p>I do not want any changes to the current pvp system, obviously keep all wild pvp as it is. The only time Id like to see this sort of system active is when, for example you are standing immune on nek docks and theres a white <insert class> that may or may not give you fame. Instead of hailing your pet onevsone as people do, you can challenge for a duel.</p><p>Then if he agrees to the one v one then you fight and are unleechable, ie locked encounter to other players.</p><p>LOL u actually thought I wanted to abolish wild pvp, not a chance haha. I would just like a way to get fair duels, without the chance that the lil famewhore isnt just going to get his guildies hiding around the corner to gank you as soon as you get into combat.</p><p>You get me?</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I want a Arena that works!</p></blockquote><p>Amen brother.</p><p>Just to have my back clear i took the proper chain of command road and did a feedback on this very subject.</p><p>I recommend everone to do the same.</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[Kaltona]

<p><cite>Paikis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No. What are you going to do, stalk someone across a whole zone, stealthily sneak up behind then and then... challenge them to a duel?</p><p>Go play on a blue server plx.</p></blockquote><p>Learn to understand what Im saying before your attitude gets the better of u</p>

[Kaltona]

<p><cite>Smuggle@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Then if he agrees to the one v one then you fight and are unleechable, ie locked encounter to other players.</p></blockquote><p>Also talking about group duels, if you wanted to you could organise group vs group fights that are unleechable. This all working side by side with the normal wild pvp that we all know an love =)</p>

[Taldier]

<p>I've never understood why people are so adverse to the existence of a dueling system.  Certainly wild pvp is and will always be the most important part of eq2 pvp.  If this feature was implemented I highly doubt it would be used constantly.  It would be a function used occasionally for 2 players to duel without greys leaching and interfering.  Nobody likes having someone leach off their kill, both because it means you get less of a reward and your opponent has a excuse to avoid admitting they lost.</p><p>To claim that you would have to sneak up behind someone and invite them to duel is absurd.  Some people need to gain basic reading comprehension skills.</p>

[Enoe]

<p>i like this idea it suits my pvp style <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[neofeel]

<p>Stupid idea, if you want to duel go on a PvE server. The only thing that can be done, is to rework the arena, to fit it with the pvp system.</p>

[Enoe]

<p>what is stupid in it?</p><p>answers like yours are stupid tbh.</p><p>1. Pvp system stays as it is right now so ppl who dont want to duel just will not accept duel invitations.</p><p>2. Ppl who want to duel someone will have a chance to do it w/o spawning pets and w/o risk of being leeched/ganked</p><p>so only ppl who says its stupid are cowards and leechers who afraid to have fair fight. and only kills they get are from other ppl fighting</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what is stupid in it?</p><p>answers like yours are stupid tbh.</p><p>1. Pvp system stays as it is right now so ppl who dont want to duel just will not accept duel invitations.</p><p>2. Ppl who want to duel someone will have a chance to do it w/o spawning pets and w/o risk of being leeched/ganked</p><p>so only ppl who says its stupid are cowards and leechers who afraid to have fair fight. and only kills they get are from other ppl fighting</p></blockquote><p>Agree</p>

[Kaltona]

<p><cite>neofeel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Stupid idea, if you want to duel go on a PvE server. The only thing that can be done, is to rework the arena, to fit it with the pvp system.</p></blockquote><p>Tellin me to go to PvE to duel? [Removed for Content] are u tlking about lol.</p><p>I dont understand how the arena is relevant in any way to this thread. I am not talking about dueling your mates,</p><p><strong>im talking about a decent way to 1v1 people without the risk they are going to cheat. </strong>Thats the bottom line. Do you understand????</p><p>The people that are going to dislike this idea the most are the leechers that always gank duels. Id like to point out that anyone in the guild, No Guts No Glory, you are the worst of the lot. A guild of leeching [Removed for Content] rite there</p>

[neofeel]

<p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what is stupid in it?</p><p>answers like yours are stupid tbh.</p><p>1. Pvp system stays as it is right now so ppl who dont want to duel just will not accept duel invitations.</p><p>2. Ppl who want to duel someone will have a chance to do it w/o spawning pets and w/o risk of being leeched/ganked</p><p>so only ppl who says its stupid are cowards and leechers who afraid to have fair fight. and only kills they get are from other ppl fighting</p></blockquote><p>No, but duelling on a pvp server is what people should do, this is not the answer to solve the current system, which is rewarding cowards and shuch.</p><p>And this system is rewarding people for staying in immunity, so who's the "coward" or leecher"?</p><p>You are on a PvP server, not a duel server or carebear server, if you don't like wild pvp get out.</p>

[Kaltona]

<p><cite>neofeel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No, but duelling on a pvp server is what people should do, this is not the answer to solve the current system, which is rewarding cowards and shuch.</p><p>And this system is rewarding people for staying in immunity, so who's the "coward" or leecher"?</p><p>You are on a PvP server, not a duel server or carebear server, if you don't like wild pvp get out.</p></blockquote><p>You are not putting forward any sort or arguement, or any relevant points.Contribute something constructive and people might actually listen to you.</p><p>How is it rewarding people for staying imune?? It is promoting, and will result in FAIR and FUN 1v1's (or group v group) without the risk of leechers ruining it.</p><p>Im not saying this is how all pvp should happen, WILD PVP FTW! However I would like a safe way to 1v1 when the chances arise between 2 players that actually want a proper fight.</p>

[Enoe]

<p><cite>neofeel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what is stupid in it?</p><p>answers like yours are stupid tbh.</p><p>1. Pvp system stays as it is right now so ppl who dont want to duel just will not accept duel invitations.</p><p>2. Ppl who want to duel someone will have a chance to do it w/o spawning pets and w/o risk of being leeched/ganked</p><p>so only ppl who says its stupid are cowards and leechers who afraid to have fair fight. and only kills they get are from other ppl fighting</p></blockquote><p>No, but duelling on a pvp server is what people should do, this is not the answer to solve the current system, which is rewarding cowards and shuch.</p><p>And this system is rewarding people for staying in immunity, so who's the "coward" or leecher"?</p><p>You are on a PvP server, not a duel server or carebear server, i<span style="color: #ff0000;">f you don't like wild pvp get out.</span></p></blockquote><p>I bet i have more pvp kills then u lol so u should reconsider your words. I like solo pvp not ganks , ofc i do grp pvp as well - best way to farm tokens but only in solo pvp u can show ur real skill. I did it on guardian i do it on sk.</p><p>And what is ur concept of wild pvp? o there is solo lets kill him so all x4 should follow you? or maybe there are ppl fighting and one have a fame for me so you put 1 arrow in his butt and get fame? This server is full of cowards who avoid fair fight and even if they fight if they start loosing they incombat evac or run away if possible. I had a lot of laugh when 80 champions scouts were attacking my 70 sk and had to run away being on 5% hp. Brave young men. L2die imo. When i engage i win or die. Looks like for many of you there is other way. Wild pvp means you kill or escape - death is not a option. Pitty you.</p><p>So i bet all these scouts would never accept duel invitation - to scarry lol. Anad ofc x4 of grey leechers on ss docks wouldnt like idea too.</p>

[Wed]

<p><cite>Darkor@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am all for allowing duells on pvp server. BUT only between your own faction, no fame/money/equipment loss and no kill/death-count on your character.</p><p>Fighting with the enemy stays the same. This is a pvp and not a duell server.</p></blockquote><p>This</p><p><cite>Guld_Ulrish wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I want a Arena that works!</p></blockquote><p>And this.</p><p>Want a 1v1 with the other side? Log an alt and set it up. Want a 1v1 with someone on your own side? I have no idea why the Arena uses PvE Mechanics. Even on PvE servers, the Arena and duels should have PvP rules.</p>

[Kaltona]

<blockquote><p>Want a 1v1 with the other side? Log an alt and set it up.</p></blockquote><p>This does nothing to stop leeching, and it is more effort than anyone will go to to set up a 1v1. Hence why nobody does it and uses pets to communicate.</p>

[Wed]

<p>It does everything to stop leeching. Agree a quiet place and go fight it out. /Duels should be for PvE servers only.</p>

[Ol]

<p>Heres my input, Dueling should be to your own faction only, and only in citys/instances so they dont take advantage of the immunity they get when entering a duel. as for against the other faction, the "wild" pvp is what makes pvp exciting, and not a duel server.</p>

[seahawk]

<p>No duels.</p><p>Here are three big problems that I see with what the OP is proposing.</p><p>1- While there is no change to the current system, it would kill pvp in the wilds.  People would stand in immunity in BB docks, KP docks .. wherever, and just wait for the "right" class to come along so they could duel.  If people were looking for pvp, they just sit and wait.</p><p>2- This system is a title hugger's wet dream.  They get to pick and choose their fights. Title hugger's are already lame, don't give them another way to "protect" their precious title.</p><p>3- You would see a gazillion bazillion Swashi's, Brig's and Sk's spamming duels all day long.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As for the arena's, I have no idea why the dev's don't turn on the "pvp ruleset" once inside them.  It would be a great way to fight your aligned buddies with the fight/rule system we must use out in the wilds.  If they did though, you should gain absolutely nothing once inside. </p><p>----- Back on topic -----</p><p>I just don't see how this promotes pvp.  You might get your "fair fight", but I believe it would do way more harm then good.  IMO, it would diminish "pvp in the wild" if your system was implemented.  People that wanted to pvp would do safely at these docks and just duel all day long.  Never having to worry about getting ganked or rolled.  No one ever said this game was fair.  That is why i like it!</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>seahawk91 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No duels.</p><p>Here are three big problems that I see with what the OP is proposing.</p><p>1- While there is no change to the current system, it would kill pvp in the wilds.  People would stand in immunity in BB docks, KP docks .. wherever, and just wait for the "right" class to come along so they could duel.  If people were looking for pvp, they just sit and wait.</p><p>2- This system is a title hugger's wet dream.  They get to pick and choose their fights. Title hugger's are already lame, don't give them another way to "protect" their precious title.</p><p>3- You would see a gazillion bazillion Swashi's, Brig's and Sk's spamming duels all day long.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>As for the arena's, I have no idea why the dev's don't turn on the "pvp ruleset" once inside them.  It would be a great way to fight your aligned buddies with the fight/rule system we must use out in the wilds.  If they did though, you should gain absolutely nothing once inside. </p><p>----- Back on topic -----</p><p>I just don't see how this promotes pvp.  You might get your "fair fight", but I believe it would do way more harm then good.  IMO, it would diminish "pvp in the wild" if your system was implemented.  People that wanted to pvp would do safely at these docks and just duel all day long.  Never having to worry about getting ganked or rolled.  No one ever said this game was fair.  That is why i like it!</p></blockquote><p>Overall i agree on this.</p><p>The one downside to it is this.</p><p>I can easily count the number of proper  fights i have participated in.</p><p>And it is partly why i keep playing,i want those fights that make up for all the other bad fights that takes place inbetween the good ones.</p><p>There is a really good quality to this game,it is just a shame you have to sift thru so many bad fights to get the good ones.</p><p>I got two friends that stopped playing over this.</p><p>Coercer and warlock.</p><p>They both got tired of running around getting ganked solo,they both said the same as to why they stopped.</p><p>Without track you can spent all day just hoping for one fair fight.</p><p>And fair in this case means,one vs one in the wild with nobody jumping in.</p><p>I play a scout so i can live with it.</p><p>But i must admit that when i see non trackers run around i feel sorry for them.</p><p>They can never engage a fight without knowing if somebody is just around the corner.</p><p>To bad for them i guess ?!</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[seahawk]

<p>Tks Jabib! ^^</p><p>I agree to your point as well.  The occasional fair fight is absolutely fantastic.  I have grown to accept the nature of this game.  If I could have one wish it would be to just make losing to a full group or greater would not be so harsh on your fame.  That is all.  That way it might be an easier "pill to swallow" when you take that fame hit when you get rolled.  I don't mind losing my fame when I have a chance to do something about it.  Taking a fame hit because I happen to be out by myself and I get rolled by a full group ... sucks.  I have grown to accept it, but it still sucks.</p><p>Anyways, sorry to get off topic.</p><p>NO DUELS!</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>The pvp I enjoyed the most was T7 pvp and the duel event on Venekor. I play Troub Necro and Defiler and wild pvp for me is 90% groups ganking solos and 10% group vs group/solo vs solo.</p>

[Norrsken]

<p>There is one, and only one issue imho with allowing duels AND making the combatants immune to pvp. It would be exploited to hell and back for setting up immunity where you really shouldnt have one. there's more than enough immunity around already.</p><p>So therefor, sure, duels. But not in the wild.</p><p>I'd prefer if they worked on a tournament system instead. For both solo and group players. I could go on and specify such a system, but thats more meat for a thread of its own.</p>

[Enoe]

<p><cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is one, and only one issue imho with allowing duels AND making the combatants immune to pvp. It would be exploited to hell and back for setting up immunity where you really shouldnt have one. there's more than enough immunity around already.</p><p>So therefor, sure, duels. But not in the wild.</p></blockquote><p>you may be right with this one. Some ppl will do all to exploit all tools.</p>