We're left out !!!

[shoshu]

<p>Ok Druics get a 32% chance to heal when they attack and it free heals along with heals over time and all sorts of overpowered abilities a Cleric get casting increases there own single target ward witch is bigger than our group ward and reactive heals along with all sots of overpowered utilities.So where do Shamans come in i mean wards are supposed to prevent or stop damage but they dont and lets face it wards are no where near as efective as heals over time or reactive heals are far more effective especially in pvp or pve .I mean Sk,Assassins,Brigends,Swashies and all Casters can kill a Shaman before they are even able to cast a single ward and/or heal.</p><p>Its rediculous all these classes are babbied and made so overpowered we as Shaman cant go any where without a group. thats HORRIBLE,,,SRY but true .Now why have these classes been made so over powered ? I dont stand a chance at 1v1 in pvp against any of them and why are mystics so easily interupted ?</p><p> My point is out of all the healers Shamans are totaly left out and our AA sux TBH i mean we dont get casting increases on benaficials except at the bottom of the shadow tree at the end of the line and that sux bad i refuse to use thoughs stances.The reason being that one of my biggest and most important jobs in a group/raid is to debuff but to heal half way decent i cant debuff effectively. If i wanna be able to debuff in a timly manor i cut my heals/wards down to nothing its bogus what they've done to us Shamans. </p><p>I know i take the side line all the time to Druids and Clerics there buffs are more benafial in groups there heals are better than a Shamans and they have far more useful utilities. Shamans are not needed or wanted and we get left out alot and what it comes down to is casting speed. A Shamans casting on heals/wards are horrible. we need casting increases and some focus PLZ!!!!</p><p>After all why should we be force to wear cloth or an item with all the wrong stats to be able to cast a heal or ward in an efficent time or manor.WE NEED CASTING INCREASES ON HEAL/WARDS WITHOUT PENALTIES TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH DRUIDS/CLERICS IN GROUPS OR RAIDS !!!</p>

[Estean1]

<p>While I wholeheartedly agree with you that we are left out, I would much rather a dev look at the Defiler TSO issues thread than this one.  You posted this exact post in the Mystic forums also and its hard to read and I don't think it addresses the issues defilers are facing right now. </p><p>Just the fact that there is a thread in the mystic forum right now about replacing the Defiler in the MT group with a Mystic shows how much trouble our class is in.</p>

[quetzaqotl]

<p>oh wow now thats a first uhuh druids never sit out raids and shamans are useless in raids and out of raids /boggle</p><p>Yeah man us druids have all sorts of overpowered abilities and useful debuffs and buffs also we get that uber free heal when you melee a mob omg thats why all druids go str line just for that ability but shush dont talk aloud it could get us nerfed omg.</p><p>ehm in short, you're wrong</p>

[Griffildur]

<p>You do have a point on casting times, but I think you're totally wrong on our efficiency as healers.</p><p>Warding is the most efficient way of dealing with incoming damage. This has been discussed many times. We have 2 wards ( single and group ) with relatively low recast time, we have deathward on 1 min recast , we have the 2 emergency wards on long recasts ( don't remember now what the recast is ). That's 5 wards in total, plus 3 heals, plus other spells and procs that ward / heal.</p><p>There are items that improve recast time as there are items that improve casting time.</p><p>If you just get T1 or T2 void armour , most items on it have these abilities. we have an AA which helps with recasts as well.</p><p>Nothing major but every bit helps. </p><p>We can debuff as well, one way that works for me is to buff the tank before going in , then i have time to cast my debuffs and then i can re-apply the wards. The debuffs last quite a bit so don't need to be refreshed too often.</p><p>Yes we could do with better recast times, however this does not mean the class is broken. No heals over time will ever compare with wards , but they will complement them very well.</p><p>I can solo heal a lot of TSO instances and I am by no means at the top end of spells / equipment / skill.</p><p>You also have to remember that the healer can be magnificent , but if the group sucks then you won't be able to do much anyway. </p><p>One more point , in a raid it cna happen  that the tank slips into red. At that point a ward wull probably keep him alive long enough for the other healers to recast their heals and get him back to 100%. If you don't panic and apply the wards at the right time then you will save a day. There's no point to cast the group ward if the tnak is in red as he'll probably die 5 times by the time you finish casting. But what you can do is use wither both emergency wards ... and deathward which also has a short cast. Once you warded him to fire up the empowered heal AA skill ( the one that makes your next heal more effective ... you did take that right ? ) and then fire your big heal if needed or the group heal if everyone is taking a battering. Combine that with a high crit chance and chances are you will crit and heal everyone to 100%.</p><p>It takes a bit of practice to get everything just right, equipment matters a lot too, but it is amazing to see how a defiler can save the day in a manner that leaves everyone speechless.</p><p>Again, I do agree on casting times, but by no means I think defilers are useless . Far from that ! Every serious raid guild will have a defiler in the MT group and most times they will top the heal parse.</p>

[Sedenten]

<p><cite>shoshu wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ok Druics get a 32% chance to heal when they attack and it free heals along with heals over time and all sorts of overpowered abilities a Cleric get casting increases there own single target ward witch is bigger than our group ward and reactive heals along with all sots of overpowered utilities.So where do Shamans come in i mean wards are supposed to prevent or stop damage but they dont and lets face it wards are no where near as efective as heals over time or reactive heals are far more effective especially in pvp or pve .I mean Sk,Assassins,Brigends,Swashies and all Casters can kill a Shaman before they are even able to cast a single ward and/or heal.</p><p>Its rediculous all these classes are babbied and made so overpowered we as Shaman cant go any where without a group. thats HORRIBLE,,,SRY but true .Now why have these classes been made so over powered ? I dont stand a chance at 1v1 in pvp against any of them and why are mystics so easily interupted ?</p><p> My point is out of all the healers Shamans are totaly left out and our AA sux TBH i mean we dont get casting increases on benaficials except at the bottom of the shadow tree at the end of the line and that sux bad i refuse to use thoughs stances.The reason being that one of my biggest and most important jobs in a group/raid is to debuff but to heal half way decent i cant debuff effectively. If i wanna be able to debuff in a timly manor i cut my heals/wards down to nothing its bogus what they've done to us Shamans. </p><p>I know i take the side line all the time to Druids and Clerics there buffs are more benafial in groups there heals are better than a Shamans and they have far more useful utilities. Shamans are not needed or wanted and we get left out alot and what it comes down to is casting speed. A Shamans casting on heals/wards are horrible. we need casting increases and some focus PLZ!!!!</p><p>After all why should we be force to wear cloth or an item with all the wrong stats to be able to cast a heal or ward in an efficent time or manor.WE NEED CASTING INCREASES ON HEAL/WARDS WITHOUT PENALTIES TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH DRUIDS/CLERICS IN GROUPS OR RAIDS !!!</p></blockquote><p>I ended up with a headache trying to make it through this entire post.  That isn't meant as a slight against you directly, but it's a lot easier to understand an argument when some thought is given to coherency.  A lot of what you siad makes absolutely no sense, though.  Nonetheless, I did read the entire post and have some comments:</p><p>From what I was able to understand, I disagree with around 80% of what you said.  I agree on casting times, though that's the one vice we really have to offset the potency of our wards. </p><p>Wards are extremely powerful, and no class in the game can outward either of the shaman classes.  Our group ward absorbs more damage than Templar Repent.  Yes, I was upset back in RoK that they were given that single spell as it was quite powerful for a class that is already exceptional at healing.   Wards are still by far the most efficient "heal" in the game because they will always be the first line of defense and are almost always used to their full potential.  Reactives and regens can "fire" and do 0 damage worth of healing.  Wards only do that if they've run their full duration without absorbing the full amount, which is very rare.</p><p>As for healing power, I assume you play a Mystic.  I am guessing that to be true assuming you are complaining about slowness of debuffing (defilers are the fastest debuffers in the game, btw).  Continuing on the healing power thread... Defilers match templars on casting times, recasting times and heal amounts pre-AA's.  They can improve their casting times through AA's, but we can't.  We can improve our reuse times through AA's, but they can't.  If you take any of the single target or group direct heals, templars and defilers are equivalent.  Templars tend to have more tricks outside of their regular heals, but those tricks usually require their groups or the tank losing health constantly.  With a good shaman (defiler or mystic), the majority of the templar healing is null and void.  Aside from templars, no other healer in the game can match the defiler direct heals.  If you take a templar and defiler aside and leave out all debuffs, reactives, buffs and wards then they can heal equivalently (taking only direct heals into account).  Add those back and it becomes situational on which one will heal the "best", though templars tend to have the edge with all their "trick" heals and avoidance/stoneskin buffs on the tank.</p><p>Finally, druids are built for burst healing.  Their heals are some of the weakest when taken one at a time and from a single second of time.  Defilers are power healers, but we cast more slowly and rely more on preheals than anything else.  I tend to focus more on reuse and casting speed gear as a result, and am able to do just fine.  To offset the potency of our heals, druids are able to heal much more quickly.  I don't mind that I am slower than them as they need that property to compete with other healers.  Regens in general are the most inefficient type of heal, especially when coupled with a ward based healer since the wards tend to block a good bit of the ticks in a regen.</p><p>Whether or not any of the above applies well to a PVP setting is irrelevant to me.  I do not play on  PVP server nor do I enjoy PVP'ing at all.  If your issues stand solidly when presented in a PVP situation, then you need to address them from that angle.  In PVE, shaman are very powerful and stand quite well against other healers.  If you are talking about a PVE standpoint, then you must be missing something on how to play a shaman properly in that sort of situation and I urge you to reevaluate your playstyle.  I can't even think of a raiding guild that would admit they do not need a shaman or two in their ranks.  A good amount of the events in the game would be a nightmare without the backing power of wards.  I'm highly desired as a defiler in groups (usually very quickly can find a group that is begging for a shaman for any level of content).  There are some zones that become much, much easier when you add a shaman that knows how to play their class.  Again, I do not know how this adds up to the PVP perspective so you may have a point with that particular facet of your argument. </p>

[Kiara]

<p>This exact (almost) same post is living in the Mystic forum.</p><p>You are welcome to visit it there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>