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Crimson Lord

12-19-2008, 01:41 PM

Been playing a brawler for 4 years now and wanted to try a new class for a change. Had a couple questions1# What stats do you work on not the int wis stuff, but crit,da,dps ect.. Just by looking at some of the gear the class is based on spell crit and spell damage, I have noticed a couple heal stats on some gear. What should I be most concerned with. I was thinking Spell crit, spell damage, heal crit, heal amount, and finally haste am I wrong in that path?2# The temp adorns if I slapped a oilstone on my weapon does that effect convert over to my scout pet? Or is it just for me?

Enoa

12-21-2008, 08:31 AM

Gear priority:Base damage > spell damage (till capped) > spell crit ..... however you'll be close to spell damage cap if you just go around collecting spell crit gear. Ignore heal stats (although you could use some +heal/crit in your solo gear outfit), dps modifiers, haste modifiers, melee crit/ ca damage, and da).New with TSO is gear that affects your pet reuse/ casting skill/ + spell or ca damage/ and +pet spell crit. These are nice items as long as you're not trading out too much spell damage/ crit yourself. For your solo gear, items that improve pet stats etc would be a priority IMO. I doubt there is any pet modifying gear added to the lower tiers so you can probably ignore this till you hit 80ish. A temporary adorn does NOT affect your pet's stats. Although I love playing my necro they really have little to offer groups and raids that other classes can't do better so consider rolling another class till summoners get some utility to offer groups.

Crimson Lord

12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

Thanks for the direction cyricPlayed a monk for 4 years, I wanted more of a challenge to try and keep the game fresh for me. I must say when I kill people in pvp solo they get extremely pisted they lost to a necro none the less a necro that is early 70s and their a upper 70s or even a 80. I get a good laugh at it everytime sure they get me eventually in after they zerg and my big spells are down. But in the end all in all it was worth the expression I bet I could see on their face a necromancer killed me!!! Ah hell nogood times

Xil

12-22-2008, 05:36 PM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gear priority:Base damage > spell damage (till capped) > spell crit ..... however you'll be close to spell damage cap if you just go around collecting spell crit gear. Ignore heal stats (although you could use some +heal/crit in your solo gear outfit), dps modifiers, haste modifiers, melee crit/ ca damage, and da).New with TSO is gear that affects your pet reuse/ casting skill/ + spell or ca damage/ and +pet spell crit. These are nice items as long as you're not trading out too much spell damage/ crit yourself. For your solo gear, items that improve pet stats etc would be a priority IMO. I doubt there is any pet modifying gear added to the lower tiers so you can probably ignore this till you hit 80ish. A temporary adorn does NOT affect your pet's stats. Although I love playing my necro they really have little to offer groups and raids that other classes can't do better so consider rolling another class till summoners get some utility to offer groups. </blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.

Paragone

12-24-2008, 04:03 AM

<cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gear priority:Base damage > spell damage (till capped) > spell crit ..... however you'll be close to spell damage cap if you just go around collecting spell crit gear. Ignore heal stats (although you could use some +heal/crit in your solo gear outfit), dps modifiers, haste modifiers, melee crit/ ca damage, and da).New with TSO is gear that affects your pet reuse/ casting skill/ + spell or ca damage/ and +pet spell crit. These are nice items as long as you're not trading out too much spell damage/ crit yourself. For your solo gear, items that improve pet stats etc would be a priority IMO. I doubt there is any pet modifying gear added to the lower tiers so you can probably ignore this till you hit 80ish. A temporary adorn does NOT affect your pet's stats. Although I love playing my necro they really have little to offer groups and raids that other classes can't do better so consider rolling another class till summoners get some utility to offer groups. </blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.</blockquote>While I really do appreciate your constant upbeat attitude towards our class I feel that statements like these are contributing to the ongoing stalling to fix summoners / necromancers. Not that we need a major fix but to state that good necros are the absolute best DPS in a group or raid situation is a grand over exaggeration. Honestly we can put up some respectable numbers but we are very group member reliant which often doesn't help us in the casual group content format. This "massive burst" dps you speak of from life burn I'm assuming is on a five minute base recast then factoring in jcap and other recast mods. I do completely agree however summoners in general have little to no agro issues. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

Inggy

12-24-2008, 12:58 PM

<cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.</blockquote>While I really do appreciate your constant upbeat attitude towards our class I feel that statements like these are contributing to the ongoing stalling to fix summoners / necromancers. Not that we need a major fix but to state that good necros are the absolute best DPS in a group or raid situation is a grand over exaggeration. Honestly we can put up some respectable numbers but we are very group member reliant which often doesn't help us in the casual group content format. This "massive burst" dps you speak of from life burn I'm assuming is on a five minute base recast then factoring in jcap and other recast mods. I do completely agree however summoners in general have little to no agro issues. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>You'd think by now this guy would get the message. He continues to purport that Necros are great DPS... yet hes never posted a ZW parse to show this "massive" DPS as a "Great" Necro. More hot air from a self delusional player or just another troll. I'm leaning towards a Troll because anyone that plays a summoner knows this guy is full of it, more likely its another "t1" DPS type afraid of having Summoners fixed <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.Ignore him and he might go away.O

Davngr1

12-24-2008, 11:17 PM

<cite>Onoes@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.</blockquote>While I really do appreciate your constant upbeat attitude towards our class I feel that statements like these are contributing to the ongoing stalling to fix summoners / necromancers. Not that we need a major fix but to state that good necros are the absolute best DPS in a group or raid situation is a grand over exaggeration. Honestly we can put up some respectable numbers but we are very group member reliant which often doesn't help us in the casual group content format. This "massive burst" dps you speak of from life burn I'm assuming is on a five minute base recast then factoring in jcap and other recast mods. I do completely agree however summoners in general have little to no agro issues. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>You'd think by now this guy would get the message. He continues to purport that Necros are great DPS... yet hes never posted a ZW parse to show this "massive" DPS as a "Great" Necro. More hot air from a self delusional player or just another troll. I'm leaning towards a Troll because anyone that plays a summoner knows this guy is full of it, more likely its another "t1" DPS type afraid of having Summoners fixed <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />.Ignore him and he might go away.O</blockquote>QFE xil needs to stop making these rediculous claims about necros. xil trust me most all necros that coment on this foroums know how to play the class as good as you or better. the differance between necro A and necro B has less to do with skill and more to do with gear choice AND the current state of suck for necros(not as much with pet focus and new AA) has absolutly nothing to do with skill.

Xil

12-25-2008, 02:45 AM

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Onoes@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.</blockquote>While I really do appreciate your constant upbeat attitude towards our class I feel that statements like these are contributing to the ongoing stalling to fix summoners / necromancers. Not that we need a major fix but to state that good necros are the absolute best DPS in a group or raid situation is a grand over exaggeration. Honestly we can put up some respectable numbers but we are very group member reliant which often doesn't help us in the casual group content format. This "massive burst" dps you speak of from life burn I'm assuming is on a five minute base recast then factoring in jcap and other recast mods. I do completely agree however summoners in general have little to no agro issues. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>You'd think by now this guy would get the message. He continues to purport that Necros are great DPS... yet hes never posted a ZW parse to show this "massive" DPS as a "Great" Necro. More hot air from a self delusional player or just another troll. I'm leaning towards a Troll because anyone that plays a summoner knows this guy is full of it, more likely its another "t1" DPS type afraid of having Summoners fixed <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />.Ignore him and he might go away.O</blockquote>QFE xil needs to stop making these rediculous claims about necros. xil trust me most all necros that coment on this foroums know how to play the class as good as you or better. the differance between necro A and necro B has less to do with skill and more to do with gear choice AND the current state of suck for necros(not as much with pet focus and new AA) has absolutly nothing to do with skill.</blockquote>Then why can't they put up 8 to 10k DPS on single targets like I can?Seriously, I understand it's hard. However Necro can put up fantastic DPS without pulling any agro off a tank in a group. And on a Raid if you treat a necro the right way they will top the raid parse.The problem has never been that Necro cannot DPS. It's always been that it requires so much utility to do so.I regularly put up 6k parses on fights lasting less than 30 seconds. I regularly put up 8 to 10k parses on fights that last about a minute. And I don't care if you can't figure out how to do it. I do it every night. And I don't have my mythical or VP gear or TSO raid armor. I just "know how to play" extremely well.People ask me every single night how I parse so high without a mythical. Necro's all over Mistmoore come to me every single night for tips and gear advice as well as casting chains.I make my Necro look like an Assassin in a mage costume. And you can quote me on that.The reason that summoner need help is NOT because we can't DPS and never has been. It's because in order to compete with Chanters and Sorcs and Scout on the parse, we have to be in the right group with the right buffs and we need the support of 3 other classes regularly. And we should be able to put up scout numbers without the support of 3 other classes.I just put up 13k on the King in middle Guk last night. 13 THOUSAND DAMAGE PER SECOND. And we destroyed him. Not a mythical in the group. Why? Because I know how to build a group and I know how to play Necro better than [Removed for Content] near anyone.So save it. I learned to play. You want to learn how I do it shoot me a tell sometime. I'll help ya get the numbers you want to see out of your Necro. Except you Dav. Yer gonna have to figure it out yerself.

Enoa

12-25-2008, 04:18 AM

hmm still no screenshots of ACT parses with breakdowns... but i'm sure everyone will beleive you regardless.

Xil

12-25-2008, 09:32 PM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>hmm still no screenshots of ACT parses with breakdowns... but i'm sure everyone will beleive you regardless. </blockquote>And I could really care less about forum trolls that don't even play their Necro anymore because they couldn't figure out how to play them in RoK and rolled alts.Learn2play is really the only thing worth saying here.Here's a 35 second parse notice the Necro at 6400 DPS on a burst damage single target fight.a deadly cadavodile: (00:35) 696061 | 19887.46 [SK-Tap-4890] (notice highest hit is lower than Lifeburn Tick)SK 295693 | 8448.37Xil 226758 | 6478.80Inq 81612 | 2331.77Bard 38310 | 1094.57Chanter 31552 | 901.49Fury 22136 | 632.465k DPS on a less than 30 second single target fight... Necro can't parse like that right? Learn2play and you will.a turned ton priest: (00:28 ) 484112 | 17289.71 [SK-Tap-5301] (notice once again highest hit much lower than Lifeburn Tick)Xil140498 | 5017.79SK 117625 | 4200.89Chanter 91951 | 3283.96Fury 48252 | 1723.29Inq 43029 | 1536.75Bard 42757 | 1527.04Let's see 7200 on a named in Ravenscale 23 second fight...Impossible right Necro can't burst DPS... And FYI any necro worth a [Removed for Content] knows if I would have Lifeburned my DPS would have been much lower on a 23 second fight. So Save the ZOMG LIFEBURN comments...Head Archivist R'Jhere: (00:23) 549450 | 23889.13 [Fury-Lightning Bolt-11002]Xil 166768 | 7250.78 (Holy Scout in a Necro Suit... and no Mythical even...hmmmm HAX!?!?!)Chanter 131077 | 5699.00SK 75557 | 3285.09Bard 62492 | 2717.04Inq 56789 | 2469.09Fury 56601 | 2460.91Shall I go on the to real DPS where I can actually open up? Or are you going to go learn2play now?

Enoa

12-26-2008, 12:16 AM

Scroll up... you trolled my reply and i've been making constructive comments to newer players looong before you showed up. Nice parses but a far cry from the 8-15k you were bragging about. Gratz on topping the parse with no other dps class competeition and every buff possible with Lifeburn!! you are truly uber. try posting a zw.Oh and i'm competent on my necro and he certainly isn't retired cause i can't figure out how to play him.... the fact that I dont claim to be the best dps of all dps'er around and talk down to everyone else in the forums does not mean i'm incompentent. Insight ftw.

Xil

12-26-2008, 12:51 AM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Scroll up... you trolled my reply and i've been making constructive comments to newer players looong before you showed up. Nice parses but a far cry from the 8-15k you were bragging about. Gratz on topping the parse with no other dps class competeition and every buff possible with Lifeburn!! you are truly uber. try posting a zw.Oh and i'm competent on my necro and he certainly isn't retired cause i can't figure out how to play him.... the fact that I dont claim to be the best dps of all dps'er around and talk down to everyone else in the forums does not mean i'm incompentent. Insight ftw.</blockquote>1) You failed to recognize those parses were all too short to make use of Lifeburn2) Those parses are all in the burst range and as a Necro that knows his stuff you should automatically recognize that the true DPS potential of Necro comes at 1 minute +3) And if you were competent I wouldn't have to be replying to this message4) posting "PICS and ACT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN" is trolling and I don't give a [Removed for Content] about previous posting you're trolling now.Learn2Play maybe? There was no Lifeburn on any of those parses. And there was no Undead Horde on any of those Parses. Lifeburn and Undead Horde is pretty well a garunteed 10k, without a mythical. But it's worthless to use in a fight that doesn't last more than a minute because you lose the DPS from chain casting. Lifeburn itself does 8k DPS for 10 seconds but takes 5 seconds to cast so if you burn you only do about 5k DPS. Insight ftw? Skill ftw.And no other DPS? SK is one of the highest parsing classes in the game now. And you mean to tell me chanters are not DPS? LoL. Have you played at all in the last year? So much for your Insight...

Enoa

12-26-2008, 01:18 AM

Well i misread what you had writen in red about the lifeburn. Thanks for calling me incompentent though... made me laugh.Calling out someone who is claiming they are better than everyone else is not really trolling. Just tired of reading the BS you spew. Anyways, gratz on beating the tank in 2/3 parses i guess. I think i'll take Dav's advice and just ignore you like everyone else.Oh yeah and loosing to tanks and chanters in the dps department is one of hte things the necro community is trying to fix. remember all those threads you piped in on claiming necros were the best dps around!! If the sk starts topping the dps parse on raids I'll stop playing eq2 because it will finally be completely broken.

Xil

12-26-2008, 01:35 AM

<cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gear priority:Base damage > spell damage (till capped) > spell crit ..... however you'll be close to spell damage cap if you just go around collecting spell crit gear. Ignore heal stats (although you could use some +heal/crit in your solo gear outfit), dps modifiers, haste modifiers, melee crit/ ca damage, and da).New with TSO is gear that affects your pet reuse/ casting skill/ + spell or ca damage/ and +pet spell crit. These are nice items as long as you're not trading out too much spell damage/ crit yourself. For your solo gear, items that improve pet stats etc would be a priority IMO. I doubt there is any pet modifying gear added to the lower tiers so you can probably ignore this till you hit 80ish. A temporary adorn does NOT affect your pet's stats. Although I love playing my necro they really have little to offer groups and raids that other classes can't do better so consider rolling another class till summoners get some utility to offer groups. </blockquote>Correction here: Poorly played Necro bring nothing to the group. Great Necros are the absolute best DPS you can possibly ask for in a Group or Raid. Massive burst and no agro is not quite what I'd call worthless.</blockquote>While I really do appreciate your constant upbeat attitude towards our class I feel that statements like these are contributing to the ongoing stalling to fix summoners / necromancers. Not that we need a major fix but to state that good necros are the absolute best DPS in a group or raid situation is a grand over exaggeration. Honestly we can put up some respectable numbers but we are very group member reliant which often doesn't help us in the casual group content format. This "massive burst" dps you speak of from life burn I'm assuming is on a five minute base recast then factoring in jcap and other recast mods. I do completely agree however summoners in general have little to no agro issues. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The Burst comes more from PoTM, PoM, Dvine Recovery, and Death March than anything else.Summoners can put up way more DPS than Lifebunr with nothing more the PoTM. You just have to use the right chain while it's up and have enough +crit to keep yer spells doing max damage as you spam them.When I lifeburn I lose DPS unless the fight lasts well over a minute. If I lifeburn while PoTM is up I completely stunt my DPS. The real trick to my DPS is knowing exactly what chain to use under which circumstances to maximize my DPS potential "WITHOUT" lifeburn.And I've never met a single Necro that is anywhere close to as good as I am at it.All this nonsense about Necro DPS is just that. People who don't know how to DPS well assume the class is broken and Necro can't DPS and just blaim the game for their inability to learn.Necro can and do DPS extremely well. The issue was never that Necro can't DPS it's always been as you said that we require specific classes in group/raid to help make it happen. However, aside from enchanters, all other DPS is really in a similar boat. Assassin require massive hate transfer and bard/chanter buffs to DPS well, so does ranger, brigand, Wizard, Warlock.... They all require specific buffs and group builds to be effective.The ONLY real difference is Necro needs consistant healing. I mean sure the wizard or the warlock is gonna out parse a Necro if they have time compression on them. But give that Time Compression to the Necro and that Necro will outparse the whole raid.It's all double standards and lazy players. Necro is the "HARDEST" mage in the game to learn to play well by far. You have to have flawless understanding of the casting orders to do well. And 90% of the people who play Necro are either too lazy or too stuborn to learn them. And those lazy stuborn players are the ones who get on the forums and cry foul about rediculous things.And that misinformed and irrational posting about how Necro are so completely broken are why SOE put the summoners on the back burner. I mean these people are basically telling the dev's to spend 50 grand to revamp the whole class from scratch. OF COURSE they are gonna back burner that kind of project because it would cost a fortune.My positive posting is realistic posting. I can make Necro smash a Raid Parse with extreme regularity. And so can everyone else who puts the time in to learn how to do it. Only problem is it takes 3 other classes on the ball to do it. ANd I should be able to do it with nothing but a good healer and standard group buffs to be in line with the other DPS classes.

Xil

12-26-2008, 01:58 AM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well i misread what you had writen in red about the lifeburn. Thanks for calling me incompentent though... made me laugh.Calling out someone who is claiming they are better than everyone else is not really trolling. Just tired of reading the BS you spew. Anyways, gratz on beating the tank in 2/3 parses i guess. I think i'll take Dav's advice and just ignore you like everyone else.Oh yeah and loosing to tanks and chanters in the dps department is one of hte things the necro community is trying to fix. remember all those threads you piped in on claiming necros were the best dps around!! If the sk starts topping the dps parse on raids I'll stop playing eq2 because it will finally be completely broken.</blockquote>Sad but true. Give an SK free rain to DPS and the scout buffs and you'll see them explode the parse. It's pretty rediculous. And the nerf should be coming. The SK who hit 8k on that single target parse has no Mythical and was wearing mainly tank gear. SK with Mythicals and in DPS gear can do 12k to 15k consistantly and spike into the 20's on group encounters.I posted 3 burst fights to show how Necro can parse in the dead zone. (aka that place where we are still building to full DPS) And as a compitent Necro you should have picked up on that right away. But you didn't. A compitent Necro should automatically come to "Ok how the hell did he put up those numbers on a single target in 30 seconds... That's not enough time to get all the DoT's ticking...?" And it's true. At 30 Seconds I didn't have all my DoT's ticking I adjusted to the short duration fight and pushed out as much DPS as possible.Now on a long fight I can easily double those numbers given that I can actually get my Dumbfires out and use Lifeburn without dropping my total DPS due to casting time. Another thing a compitent Necro should have picked up on instantly.Players come here to complain mostly because they can't figure stuff out. Necro in particular that can't put up the numbers I put up are normally A) Specd wrong, B) Geared wrong, C) Don't know how to adjust casting chains with buffs.And the really sad thing here is I don't have my Mythical. I do this with a fabled epic a few pieces of teir 1/2 fables, a Choker and 3 pieces of teir 2 TSO legendary gear.My Drain life base damage is 3k. Most of my spells are Mastered (Soul Rot and Demilich i swear to all things holy are a myth). My base crits are 76% and my spell mod is 760. If your Drain life is sitting at 2500 or so there's your first problem. I use Drain Life because if you max it out it's garunteed you have all your other spells maxed out. Little overkill but I like having my Drain Life hit for 6k. Makes it worth casting whenever it's up.It's really a shame more Necro can't figure this out. if they had SOE would have seen that Necro don't need a massive overhaul they just need a few adjustments and they'll be golden. But instead people like you and others who come here scream that Necro are completely broken and need to be revamped and that kind of project would cost a ton of money and take a large chunk of development time and because of this they back burner any and all changes to the summoner archetype.Extremely sad that Ignoring the players like me who actually know the class inside and out is why summoners can't get the fix they need. But you go right ahead and keep ignoring me. Keep telling the Dev's Necro is completely broken. And when they opt to never fix the class because it would cost too much money we'll all have you and others like you to thank for it.

Enoa

12-26-2008, 02:40 AM

<cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><blockquote>Extremely sad that Ignoring the players like me who actually know the class inside and out is why summoners can't get the fix they need. But you go right ahead and keep ignoring me. Keep telling the Dev's Necro is completely broken. And when they opt to never fix the class because it would cost too much money we'll all have you and others like you to thank for it.</blockquote></blockquote>lol. i guarantee i knew in t7 kos what you konw now. You weren't around in t7 when a necro topped every raid parse and most raids ran 2 of necros cause the dps was insane. You weren't around when mage gear benefited each class equally. You weren't even around when lifeburn was a 1:5 ratio rather than the 1:4 ratio which was the most recent big change to necros that i can recall. I parsed 7k in veksar pre-tso with no troub... yet I dont go around claiming necros are wonderful and fixed. You post nothing here that the majority of us do not know. We all know how to play (in fact i'd say the necro is one of hte easiest classes to figure out how to dps on)... and we all can see that other classes have passed us in dps (due to inequality of gear) and our utility is not worth mentioning (remember the mana drain on mayong!! hearts ftw!) We see how a nice 7 crit armor peice only affects about 75% of our dps spells (being that the 25% from our pet remains unbuffed)... yet you do not. We see how the poorly planned TSO pet buffing gear has less personal crit/ spell damage stats on it making it undesirable. You dont see chanters beating equally skilled and geared dps-classes on raid parses. You dont see the 'spike' dps classes leaving the summoners on the dust on even the longer fights like Levi trash. You probably dont even see the sabutai's, perhaps the best necro and biggest necro advocate, betrayal to congy as a resignation of frustration .You dont understand the class as much as you think you do if you dont see there is a problem with necros and the desirability to have them in a group/ raid. Please answer this post with learn2play! so i can laugh at you some more.

Xil

12-26-2008, 03:30 AM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><blockquote>Extremely sad that Ignoring the players like me who actually know the class inside and out is why summoners can't get the fix they need. But you go right ahead and keep ignoring me. Keep telling the Dev's Necro is completely broken. And when they opt to never fix the class because it would cost too much money we'll all have you and others like you to thank for it.</blockquote></blockquote>lol. i guarantee i knew in t7 kos what you konw now. You weren't around in t7 when a necro topped every raid parse and most raids ran 2 of necros cause the dps was insane. You weren't around when mage gear benefited each class equally. You weren't even around when lifeburn was a 1:5 ratio rather than the 1:4 ratio which was the most recent big change to necros that i can recall. I parsed 7k in veksar pre-tso with no troub... yet I dont go around claiming necros are wonderful and fixed. You post nothing here that the majority of us do not know. We all know how to play (in fact i'd say the necro is one of hte easiest classes to figure out how to dps on)... and we all can see that other classes have passed us in dps (due to inequality of gear) and our utility is not worth mentioning (remember the mana drain on mayong!! hearts ftw!) We see how a nice 7 crit armor peice only affects about 75% of our dps spells (being that the 25% from our pet remains unbuffed)... yet you do not. We see how the poorly planned TSO pet buffing gear has less personal crit/ spell damage stats on it making it undesirable. You dont see chanters beating equally skilled and geared dps-classes on raid parses. You dont see the 'spike' dps classes leaving the summoners on the dust on even the longer fights like Levi trash. You probably dont even see the sabutai's, perhaps the best necro and biggest necro advocate, betrayal to congy as a resignation of frustration .You dont understand the class as much as you think you do if you dont see there is a problem with necros and the desirability to have them in a group/ raid. Please answer this post with learn2play! so i can laugh at you some more.</blockquote>Lol in that gear you couldn't parse 7k if yer life depended on it Balorn... Come now? Soul Siphon Leggings? Quested gear? Seriously? Soulfire Staff? Did you even get your fabled epic?Dude you made that character in 2005 but I have about the same time played... You're wearing dispersion gear... No wonder you can't DPS.Why are you here arguing with real Necro?Didn't think I could find your Necro on EQ2players?

Enoa

12-26-2008, 12:07 PM

HAHAHAHAHAEver heard of solo gear. 33% stoneskin. concussive blast prcos. tribunal cloak. dehate procs. I thought it would have been obvious to the "best" necro of all. Wanna see my treasure set of subjugation gear where I can get my subjugation to 500.... it's my favorite for solo'ing the crypt guardian in sebellis and solo'ing vaults. Seriously you are hilarious. Feel free to write down my uber solo gear... it's arguably the best mage solo gear in rok.

Xil

12-26-2008, 02:20 PM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>HAHAHAHAHAEver heard of solo gear. 33% stoneskin. concussive blast prcos. tribunal cloak. dehate procs. I thought it would have been obvious to the "best" necro of all. Wanna see my treasure set of subjugation gear where I can get my subjugation to 500.... it's my favorite for solo'ing the crypt guardian in sebellis and solo'ing vaults. Seriously you are hilarious. Feel free to write down my uber solo gear... it's arguably the best mage solo gear in rok. </blockquote>Rofl not big on pet control?No reason to wear that crap as a Necro. Couple pieces of stun proc jewelry and maybe a couple beffudle peieces is all you could ever need. If you're taking hits yer doing it wrong anyway.And even at 500 sub and mastered, charm is hit and miss and really not worth using. So you wear your treasured garbage to pump sub to 500. I'll sit with mine at 450 and continue to solo epic X2's without having to change gear thanks all the same.You rely on garbage gear just to solo worthless instances... I solo Yellow and Orange 3^'s and green/blue X2's with DPS gear on... Sounds like I'm all around a much better Necro than you. I parse better grouping and raiding, I solo meaningful content without having to wear garbage gear... The best mage solo gear in RoK heh... Yer one of those dooshnozzle necro's that thinks you have to get rid of all your spell damage and crits to solo. "But my tank pet doesn't hold agro if I DEE PEE ESS." LOL...Do me a favor and change yer Surname to Student'Driver for me k...

Enoa

12-26-2008, 07:27 PM

<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> nice try.bye bye.last name changed to pwnxil btw.

Xil

12-27-2008, 04:34 AM

<cite>Enoa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> nice try.bye bye.last name changed to pwnxil btw. </blockquote>When your DPS graph looks like this come talk to me... Student'Driver FTW!! (notice that's 20k not 2k like yours...)<img src="http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w11/zennexile/GraphParse.png" width="1006" height="264" />

Shareana

12-27-2008, 11:09 AM

This post has become a fight between 2 people and has lost the original reason for starting this post. I am locking it down since the OP was able to get his answer in the first few posts and the thread has gone downhill from there.Happy Frostfell!