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Secard

12-07-2008, 11:16 PM

I have a monk at lvl 42 currently, and started this character to basically just kill names in easy places like KC and the like. I wont group or raid much with him other then to get a few required and much needed items. So, my only concern is how well the character performs killing names efficiently in easier dungeons. Let me also add in that I realize that there are a lot better suited classes for what I want to do, but I am looking for something fresh. I have done the Illusionist/necro/coercer thing to death, and wanted to try something new.I am looking for feed back as far as what might be the better option. Staying as a monk, or betraying to bruiser? keeping in mind I only care about how they perform solo named killing. would anyone have some advice one way or the other? As it stand now from the forums posts I have gone over and the players I have talked to on my server, it seems that a bruiser would have a slight advantage. and if it is a small difference I would prefer to just stick with the monk.while I am on the subject, is there going to be a better AA set up for specifically what I want to accomplish. any insight on that always helps. Thanks in advance for any information provided.I will post over at the bruisers forums and see what they have to say as well.

jrolla777

12-08-2008, 03:31 AM

why do people make a thread about brawlers soloing every other day? there are multiple threads about soloing on the first page of the monk and bruiser forum sections

Secard

12-08-2008, 05:42 AM

If you read my post I have already said that I read other posts on how the two solo and I am looking for more narrow feed back for spacificly what I am doing in a spacific area for name killing. Not just all around soloing. Along with AA suggestions of what others would think would be a good idea for the type of situation I will be in. If you dont have anything useful to say other then the varius copy and pastes of "go read other posts" then go waist your time some where els. I did not twist your arm to come in hear and reply to my post. And don't have a clue why you would take the time to sit down and type out utter uselessness. I frankly couln't care less if you don't like what I have posted.Honestly why do people have to fight on hear to try and get some feed back. If you have some information to give simply give it or don't bother, it's pretty simple. and it's not like your moaning and groaning will solve anything anyways. It comes down to being a forum for a game, pretty much the very least important thing over all in your life.Anyone have something useful to say?

jrolla777

12-08-2008, 06:02 AM

<cite>Secard wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you read my post I have already said that I read other posts on how the two solo and I am looking for more narrow feed back for spacificly what I am doing in a spacific area for name killing. Not just all around soloing. Along with AA suggestions of what others would think would be a good idea. If you dont have anything useful to say other then the copy and paste of "go read other posts" then go waist your time some where els. I did not twist your arm to come in hear and reply to my post. And don't have a clue why you would take the time to sit down and type out utter uselessness. I frankly couln't care less if you don't like what I have posted.Honestly why do people have to fight on hear to try and get some feed back. If you have some information to give simply give it or don't bother, it's pretty simple. and it's not like your moaning and groaning will solve anything anyways. It comes down to being a forum for a game, pretty much the very least important thing over all in your life.Anyone have something useful to say?</blockquote>thats all fine and dandy, but your question is nothing new. its been answered many times and in current/recent threads. the difference in soloing name is small but bruisers have an edge on monks this expansion.bruiser: close mind, quicker recast on heal, knockout combomonk: tsunamino one is fighting to get information, you are fighting the common sense to read other posts and experiment/play the class yourself and see which class you liek soloing names with more. both classes are great soloers, its player skill that determines how well a brawler will solo t8 dungeon nameds. i'm sorry but that pretty much it buddy, no one is gonna give you much more feedback that bruiser>monk. bruisers have better tools, you must have seen a thread recently talking about this, specifically here <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=437503" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=437503</a><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=437503" target="_blank"></a>

Secard

12-08-2008, 07:36 AM

Why bother putting in quotations something I posted right after you? it's not like a lot of people are responding. or are going to miss what your talking about to what I posted. seems to be as useless as the long post I just made.Well, got a little more information that time around, thanks. Still not anywhere close to what I was asking. And the post you linked talked more about just soloing in geaneral, not farming named. I also would like to menchion that no where in his questions did he ask the same questions I asked. I wanted to know about name killing in a sertin area and aa for that area. not 1. Soloing 2. Single Target DPS 3. Multi Target DPS 4. Raiding 5. Tanking in TSO and RoK So after reading a ways down on that post which I did before I made this one, I got the small bits of info that I was looking for. Which really comes close to nothing of my original question except the basics that I can find on any post. Not specifics.Also like how you put in that little insult of "common sense blah blah blah play around with other classes". I play around and make tons of alts. and enjoy soloing with my 80 Illusionist and Necromancer. Alts is what I like to do. I don't have the time to get them all to the upper 70s to see what plays out more to my liking for specific places. I have played a bruiser to 38 and my monk, who I like, to now 46 after a few Everfrost quests tonight. But I am not going to spend the time to redundantly get them both up to the 70s when I don't have enough play time to bother, nor a big desire.I read a lot on these forums. Never really bother posting unless I need specifics answered. Which comes down to a lot of the time, pulling teeth. And the majority of posts I see for people who try to get feed back on certain things like I am, or just some more personal opinions from people who have a lot of first hand experience, get fed the same crap. just dumb waist of time posts with small bits of useless hostilities in them like what we are doing. So when I do finally find a post that has some sort of useful bit of info on the topic I personally am seeking without posting, I have to sift through usually a lot of bull crap that people post like your own post at the top. It seems as though people like your self seem obligated to post these things. If you simply did not post anything at all, and if everyone ells who did not want to help did the same. And I did not get a response to my questions, Then I would have got my answer. Which would be I need to do more mindless post digging to find something that could have been answered in a few minutes of some ones time. The thing that makes posts like your own further useless is the fact that the time it took to type it, you could have just Gaven me some short answer of "I would think this or that, and I prefer an AA set up for this in that area." Use some of your own common sense there "buddy". but like I said at lest you tried on the second post.Well whatever I am done posting on this thread for good. I figured I would just get a waist of time like your self on hear anyhow. But I will head on over to some other forums that actually help out a bit. Nice talking to yah. your getting to "serious" about this for me to care anymore. whats arguing on the internet anyways but just something to do but pass a little time. And it can be fun as well I guess. I feel a lot more relaxed after posting this. And I am sure I will get some response of picking apart what I said. It is pretty much standard forum procedure at this point. It's kind of funny really. It's pretty much expected in a gaming forum now of days.And if you are wondering why I took the time to type this out. Which it all dose seem so useless in it's self, it is because I was talking to my friend I play EQ2 with today. and he was making the comment that it is useless to post anything and some times even dig through these forums. So I figured while you got me on the subject I would voice my opinion. And the fun part about the internet is you cant really do much to stop me, I can make as much of a fool of my self as I want. But you will do everything to egg me on instead of just shutting up when it comes to useless comments, like your first post. Which just keeps me going... which is something you hate. We have our self's a paradox hear.lol take care, have a nice day/night/ whatever, and don't take me serious It's a forum for a game of all things, And I am mostly playing around. =)

jrolla777

12-08-2008, 08:27 AM

<cite>Secard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why bother putting in quotations something I posted right after you? it's not like a lot of people are responding. or are going to miss what your talking about to what I posted. seems to be as useless as the long post I just made.Well, got a little more information that time around, thanks. Still not anywhere close to what I was asking. And the post you linked talked more about just soloing in geaneral, not farming named. I also would like to menchion that no where in his questions did he ask the same questions I asked. I wanted to know about name killing in a sertin area and aa for that area. not 1. Soloing 2. Single Target DPS 3. Multi Target DPS 4. Raiding 5. Tanking in TSO and RoK So after reading a ways down on that post which I did before I made this one, I got the small bits of info that I was looking for. Which really comes close to nothing of my original question except the basics that I can find on any post. Not specifics.Also like how you put in that little insult of "common sense blah blah blah play around with other classes". I play around and make tons of alts. and enjoy soloing with my 80 Illusionist and Necromancer. Alts is what I like to do. I don't have the time to get them all to the upper 70s to see what plays out more to my liking for specific places. I have played a bruiser to 38 and my monk, who I like, to now 46 after a few Everfrost quests tonight. But I am not going to spend the time to redundantly get them both up to the 70s when I don't have enough play time to bother, nor a big desire.I read a lot on these forums. Never really bother posting unless I need specifics answered. Which comes down to a lot of the time, pulling teeth. And the majority of posts I see for people who try to get feed back on certain things like I am, or just some more personal opinions from people who have a lot of first hand experience, get fed the same crap. just dumb waist of time posts with small bits of useless hostilities in them like what we are doing. So when I do finally find a post that has some sort of useful bit of info on the topic I personally am seeking without posting, I have to sift through usually a lot of bull crap that people post like your own post at the top. It seems as though people like your self seem obligated to post these things. If you simply did not post anything at all, and if everyone ells who did not want to help did the same. And I did not get a response to my questions, Then I would have got my answer. Which would be I need to do more mindless post digging to find something that could have been answered in a few minutes of some ones time. The thing that makes posts like your own further useless is the fact that the time it took to type it, you could have just Gaven me some short answer of "I would think this or that, and I prefer an AA set up for this in that area." Use some of your own common sense there "buddy". but like I said at lest you tried on the second post.Well whatever I am done posting on this thread for good. I figured I would just get a waist of time like your self on hear anyhow. But I will head on over to some other forums that actually help out a bit. Nice talking to yah. your getting to "serious" about this for me to care anymore. whats arguing on the internet anyways but just something to do but pass a little time. And it can be fun as well I guess. I feel a lot more relaxed after posting this. And I am sure I will get some response of picking apart what I said. It is pretty much standard forum procedure at this point. It's kind of funny really. It's pretty much expected in a gaming forum now of days.And if you are wondering why I took the time to type this out. Which it all dose seem so useless in it's self, it is because I was talking to my friend I play EQ2 with today. and he was making the comment that it is useless to post anything and some times even dig through these forums. So I figured while you got me on the subject I would voice my opinion. And the fun part about the internet is you cant really do much to stop me, I can make as much of a fool of my self as I want. But you will do everything to egg me on instead of just shutting up when it comes to useless comments, like your first post. Which just keeps me going... which is something you hate. We have our self's a paradox hear.lol take care, have a nice day/night/ whatever, and don't take me serious It's a forum for a game of all things, And I am mostly playing around. =)</blockquote>i think we started off on a bad note buddy. i'm not entirely trying to egg you on. if that were the case i would probably point out your multiple spelling and grammatical errors and tell you not to suck. i will try to help you out a little more since i actually did read all your posts in this thread.adopt the solo aa spec from other threads. max hp/avoid/dps. craneflock is good dps. for me, theres nothing different about killing nameds than killing the herioc trash in the same area/zone. im a monk and can solo all the nameds in kc except the boss. as of yet, dont think ive solo'd any nameds in dungeons outside of KC, so maybe i suck, i dunno.

circusgirl

12-08-2008, 02:14 PM

Here's what you want to do AA-wise.Go down the str line to get chi, and the int line to get the 100% critical hit below 30% hp. Put 8 points into double attack on str side, and 8 points into critical hit on int side. I wouldn't go down the wis line actually, because while crane flock is amazing dps against multiple mobs, you very rarely see multiple mobs in named encounters, and the critical hit from the str line is way more valuable than the double attack from crane flock, since it affects CAs as well as autoattacks. In the monk line, make sure you put points into mend and will of the wise, and dps arts like five rings. When fighting a named, pop chi at the beginning of the fight. Since you're soloing, you'll be able to make the absolute most of both the haste and dps modifyers from this ability, since you won't be receiving any group buffs and probably won't quite be at haste cap if you're using balanced stance. Hold all of your defensive abilities and stuns until the mob knocks you down to 30% hp. At this point your int line end ability kicks in and you will critically hit on 100% of your attacks. Start chain stunning the mob, keeping him from hitting you as much as possible. Use eagle spin to turn him away from you. Once you can no longer keep the mob locked with stuns, throw up tsunami and pop outward calm as well for magic damage and you shouldn't take much damage (if any) for the next 12 seconds, which is even MORE time in which you're critically hitting on ever CA and auto attack. Wait until tsunami wears off and you're getting really low on hps before you pop mend. By the time the mob gets you down to 30% for the second time, your stuns should be up again and you can lock him down another time. Remember that devfist can critical hit again now, so use that at some point when you're below 30% so you do double damage with it. Hope that helps!

Secard

12-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Wow, thank you circusgirl, glad I got some one with common sense on here. I appreciate the input, and yeah that should help when the time comes. there are a few little tricks in there that you mentioned that I haven't read or heard anyone else talk about. So I will have to keep them in mind. And that AA set up seems to be what I am after.Much appreciated with the intelligent response.

Secard

12-08-2008, 04:26 PM

Hey jrolla777 thanks again for some more information. If you did point out my spelling and grammer I probly wouldn't care lol. I don't bother with these posts other then a few moments. and I was never a strong speller =) I like posts like what you just did because it is just more positive reinforcement that I can get up there and accomplish what I want. The more testimonies the better =) anyways, Do you personally feel that crane flock will shoot out more dps then what circusgirl's suggestion was? It would seem to me that her suggestion of the Int line and Str line leaving out crane flock might be a better route for what I plan on doing. any personal experience with that?

jrolla777

12-08-2008, 05:06 PM

she has good advice, but personally i dont use the end INT line ability anymore, because if you are below 30% hp, you could kick the bucket easily with how hard kunark names hit and i have 100% crit already. Tsunami doesnt riposte combat arts. if your decked out in legendary from kunark, you'll be about 11-12K hp. so if you wait to be at ~3K-3.5K HP, a CA or two from teh nameds could kill you, but being afraid of death shouldnt be in your mindest. i think the double attack from craneflock is beneficial, but i use it primarily for the aoe autoattack, pulling one mob is boring.

Secard

12-08-2008, 09:31 PM

Hm, well If you can obtain 100% crit with legendarys, it does seem that the points can be more useful some where else other then Int.over on the brawler side I had an interesting response about AAs. Basically it was recommended that I try for as many CAs from the second down on the brawler lines. and also some interesting defensive vs offensive opinions.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=438190�" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...90�</a>Ether way all this information is helping me out a lot. thanks guys.

circusgirl

12-09-2008, 04:53 PM

I would advise against spreading yourself out over any more than 3 lines in the brawler tree. Remember that before you can do anything useful, you have to waste 4 points on a stat increase (and once you hit 80, it really is a waste). If you spread yourself across 5 AA lines you're wasting 20 out of your 70 AAs. If you get to the point via gear that your critical hit modifyer is really high, then by all means switch out of the int line. But in my opinion, you aren't likely to hit that point until you've raided VP for a while. You DEFINETELY will never hit 100% crit by soloing. Go with the int line, and if your critical hit gets super high, then switch out. There are different specs for different things--for example, I love crane flock, I think its an absolute must for any monk that wants to tank TSO...but I have it in my tank spec, and not in my raid spec. For what you're doing, chi and the int line are what you want.

Secard

12-09-2008, 10:16 PM

I will group and do small rading if possible. All I am saying is I dont care how he proforums in them. I can get some guild groups togather and get drops for whatever I need in that reguard. And I can try and take him along if there is ever an open spot in a raid in our guild, But doubt I will get much fromthem in that sens. And looking at it I doubt I will take the time to get the CAs on the brawler tree, it dose seem wasteful. I will worry about crit when I get up into my 80s and have a good amount of gear on. But for the time beaing I will probly go down int becouse I could use the Crit as of now if anything. and as you said, I can always respec later. Thanx for the advice circusgirl