Race race race

[Kram337]

<p>No. Not the kind you run in. Nor am I asking about driving fast.</p><p>So I'm torn. I know that the SK is the class I'm going to play next but I can't settle on a race. So I'm looking for input. I'll post what I'm thinking and you tell me why I'm wrong or something.</p><p>Dark Efl:They look the coolestTheir racials are mehFeels very SK'ish</p><p>Barb:Barbs get cool hair but they're too fat, they look ugly in plate because of their obesityBarbs get a 2.5 second knock down for their racial abilityBarb doesn't feel very SK'ishTroll:Trolls are ugly but at least their not fat. They look great in plate armorTrolls also get a stun attack in their racials, theirs only stuns 1.5 seconds but has half the recastTrolls are definitely SK'ishTrolls lack a certain elequence that I admire in a good SKOgre:Same thing as barb only bigger and more greenSame thing as barb as far as hair, racials, and that sort of thingDoes feel pretty SK'ish but again, they lack elequence like the trollsI'd play a kerra but my last 2 80's were kerra and I'm just not in the mood to look at them anymore. There are other choices but I didn't see any that strike me as exceedingly interesting. I'm playing pvp, so the extra knock downs/stuns are really nice to have.Clearly I want to play a dark elf but the lack of good racials makes me reconsider it. I know it wouldn't be the end of the world but an extra 2.5 seconds of knock down time is really handy in both pvp and pve.</p><p>So whats everybody elses take on it?</p>

[Isoloki]

<p>HI,</p><p> You might want to also think about the Arasia, you can make then really evil looking, and they have a racial abililty called wind walker, it increases your run speed 50%, which I think would be great to pusue those combantants that are trying to run form your awesomeness. It works in combat and out of combat. I think they also have one to increase your combat arts for a short period of time.</p><p>But if you are sure you want to choose one of those 3. I personnly would choose Dark elf for the Trait "Fury of Inorruk"(might not be spelled correctly). It is a very nice trait, and you would look awesome.</p><p>But those are my thoughts.</p><p>Good luck in your choice</p>

[Elryc]

<p>Darkelf for the win, if there really was a Shadowknight, it would most certainly be a Darkelf & we look good too check out the pics in this post <span ><a href="list.m?topic_id=93403">Show me your Shdowknight pic's and some tips</a> </span> <span > </span></p>

[Full_Metal_Mage]

<p>Dark Elf? pfffft</p><p>If you're not an Ayr'Dal, then you'll always be second-best at best.</p>

[Ticker123]

<p>my new SK is a Gnome! YaY go Gnomes!</p>

[Soefje]

<p><cite>Kram337 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Barb:Barbs get cool hair but they're too fat, they look ugly in plate because of their obesityBarbs get a 2.5 second knock down for their racial abilityBarb doesn't feel very SK'ish</p></blockquote><p>Barbarians aren't fat.  The armor just makes us look that way. </p><p>Or mayb we are just big-[Removed for Content].</p><p>Whichever you like.</p><p>Actually, stun is great.  You really don't lose anything for going with a 2 hander and have 3 stuns when using a shield.  I have not regretted my Barb choice in the least.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Kram337 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No. Not the kind you run in. Nor am I asking about driving fast.</p><p>So I'm torn. I know that the SK is the class I'm going to play next but I can't settle on a race. So I'm looking for input. I'll post what I'm thinking and you tell me why I'm wrong or something.</p><p>Dark Efl:They look the coolestTheir racials are mehFeels very SK'ish</p><p>Barb:Barbs get cool hair but they're too fat, they look ugly in plate because of their obesityBarbs get a 2.5 second knock down for their racial abilityBarb doesn't feel very SK'ishTroll:Trolls are ugly but at least their not fat. They look great in plate armorTrolls also get a stun attack in their racials, theirs only stuns 1.5 seconds but has half the recastTrolls are definitely SK'ishTrolls lack a certain elequence that I admire in a good SKOgre:Same thing as barb only bigger and more greenSame thing as barb as far as hair, racials, and that sort of thingDoes feel pretty SK'ish but again, they lack elequence like the trollsI'd play a kerra but my last 2 80's were kerra and I'm just not in the mood to look at them anymore. There are other choices but I didn't see any that strike me as exceedingly interesting. I'm playing pvp, so the extra knock downs/stuns are really nice to have.Clearly I want to play a dark elf but the lack of good racials makes me reconsider it. I know it wouldn't be the end of the world but an extra 2.5 seconds of knock down time is really handy in both pvp and pve.</p><p>So whats everybody elses take on it?</p></blockquote><p>Firstly: Try looking at these races in non-SOGA. Barbarians (even in SOGA) aren't fat. Ogres are slightly fat in non-SOGA, but in full vanguard plate armor they look like walls of steel, and their weapons are bigger than a SOGA ogre's.</p><p>To turn SOGA models on and off, they're under the Alternate Model tab on the options menu (Alt+O)</p><p>Secondly: The perfect SK class is an iksar. They have elegence, they look great in plate and their evil heritage makes the perfect SK. If you don't like iksars, shoot for Non-SOGA ogres or any model humans.</p><p>Third: The reason I said no to dark elves is because they're more scout and mage-based. Sure, I know plenty of dark elf SKs, but if you don't like their racial traits, then buy a petrified dark elf eye and a couple dark elf bone fragments on the broker to turn your character into one.</p><p>Fourth: Ogres have an awesome 20 % size increase trait <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Uggli]

<p>See the link below to another thread on a similar topic for why NOT to pick the fatty races...</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=434660" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=434660</a></p><p>and SOGA models are complete crap, for every race.</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>Erudite:</p><p>Skinny but geared correctly they don't look bad in plate</p><p>Racials are unique for a melee but fit the class very well</p>

[surepaw]

<p>First, for look Dark Elf is very nice, but racial traits just do not cut it.</p><p>If you really want dark elf, I would choose the race you want and as a previous poster has said, use the dark elf petrified eye and a few bones. After a while do the mask Heritage and use that to turn into a dark elf at anytime you wish for as long as you wish. You get the racial abilities of the race you want with the look of the race you want to be. A win/win situation.</p><p>As far as Troll and Ogre go, they are good for racial traits and size is a major plus for tanking. Their lack of intelligence is a hit on the SK class, but can be overcome with ease.</p><p>Barb has some very nice traits, and their size again is a plus in dungeon tanking, they also give you the wisdom you may want, but again their intelligence is somewhat lacking, but nothing the right equipment and/or racial choices can't fix.</p><p>The one thing that the DE brings as far as racial choices go that neither of the warrior type of races bring is their hover ability, this can at times come in very handy at times tho, as SK's do not get safe fall. But again, this can be overcome by a cloak that offers featherfall, like the harvesters cloak or one of the LON cloaks.</p><p>Arasni (how ever you spell the evil fae race) is an alternate choice for their racials, but the size and wings, no matter how evil you make them look, is a turn off for me when it comes to SK's, but with the petrified eyes or the mask of the deceiver can easily overcome this, as with the other races.</p><p>Something to chew on anyway, hope I helped.</p>

[Mychel]

<p>High Elf - hands down the best.</p>

[Tamo]

<p>I like Frogloks personally... underwater breathing, +1 DA (not much but cool), and a racial AoE that scales with level.</p>

[Zelle]

<p>I chose Ratonga for my SK, mainly because I'd never seen an SK of that race before on my server.</p><p>Has some ok racials;</p><p>Soul Mending - increases agi by 66 and increases out-of-combat health regen by 152 per tick for 3 mins when cast</p><p>Rodent Reflexes - increases agi by 5 ( passive )</p><p>Street Thug - increases melee crit by 2% and piercing by 5 ( passive )</p><p>Shadow Lurker - increases stealth and invisability speed by 15% ( passive ) - good for use with invis totems when trying to get somewhere</p><p>Few others, but nothing really worth a mention.</p><p>Have to say tho that I really like this race as an SK, don't see many rats in plate and I like having a small inconspicuous tank instead of the run-of-the-mill giants most people like</p><p>I did the Desert Chitin armor quest line in SS, and although this quest is a PITA to do, it looks pretty cool with the full set.</p><p>All-in-all I enjoy playing Ratonga for my SK.</p>

[Uncaged]

<p>I honestly am a bit biased , but Orge really is nearly the only way to go. I get all the cool racials and after I did the guise of the deciever quest, can look like a DE at will. Better then that even is that when using the orge's 20% increase in size ability, you can be a HUGE DE. Trumping that is you still grunt like an orge while in DE form.</p><p>Not sure if you played EQ1 but main races for sk there were DE, Orge/Troll, Iksar , Human in that order. Orge's did very much have a Ogguk supported faction of SK's and with the lore of the Orge's getting there wits back in EQ2, SK seems even a better fit lore wise.</p><p>Just my 2cp. Side note but orge also gets added bonuses for metalshaping . Good for armorer and such.</p>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<p>I'm obviously biased but I love being an Ogre SK. You simply dwarf eveything around you. With some of the twisted SK armor pieces you look like a wicked iron giant holding the field.</p><p>The racials are good as well. HP/Anti Stun etc.</p>

[Kimber]

<p>Sarnak</p><p>Nuff said</p>

[Terron]

<p><cite>Kram337 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dark Efl:They look the coolestTheir racials are mehFeels very SK'ish</p><p>Barb:Barbs get cool hair but they're too fat, they look ugly in plate because of their obesityBarbs get a 2.5 second knock down for their racial abilityBarb doesn't feel very SK'ishTroll:Trolls are ugly but at least their not fat. They look great in plate armorTrolls also get a stun attack in their racials, theirs only stuns 1.5 seconds but has half the recastTrolls are definitely SK'ishTrolls lack a certain elequence that I admire in a good SK</p></blockquote><p><span><p>Dark elves not good cool. Best eaten hot.</p><p><span><p>Barbarians fat enough to be tasty. Not too fat like ogres.</p></span>Trolls not ugly. Trolls most pretty race. Tuknuk look great in anything. Does look greatest in ebon plate.<span><p>Tuknuk not know elequence. Trolls elegant and eloquent.</p></span></p><p>Tuknuk, Troll SK.</p><p>P.S Ratongas and gnomes make good snacks.</p></span></p>

[leannel]

<p>Female high elf SK FTW <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Beauty, brains, and pure evil.  What's better then that? lol</p>

[Loxus]

<p>Did everyone drop acid in this forum?</p><p>Iksar! </p><p>The meanest looking SK in the skull helm hands down.</p><p>+5 bonus to agi, and def</p><p>natural underwater breathing</p><p>just to name a few traits.</p>

[Ticker123]

<p>Wow, no Gnome love <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[DxPreist1]

<p>Dark elf or Iksar, bot are pretty nice,</p><p>Dark elf will help you offensivly a little and the safe falling is sooooo nice..... at any level really,</p><p>Menawhile Iksar racials add to parry, and defense in 2 different selections, makes for a nice boost especially at lower levels.</p>

[Oceaarea]

<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Erudite:</p><p>Skinny but geared correctly they don't look bad in plate</p><p>Racials are unique for a melee but fit the class very well</p></blockquote><p>was thinking the same</p><p>-nice Ward</p><p>-extra AoE</p><p>-increase spell cast time</p><p>-increase spell crit</p><p>-safe fall</p><p>Not really a 'Melee' looking "fearsome' race but racial abilities are nice...</p>

[Fluffypaws]

<p>Ogre imo, the biggest scariest race for the biggest scariest class.</p>

[Uggli]

<p><cite>Fluffypaws@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ogre imo, the biggest scariest race for the biggest scariest class.</p></blockquote><p>I personally don't find the StayPuff Marshmellow guy scary, but meh..... we each have our phobias I guess.</p><p><img src="http://wonderland.creative-assets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/stay-puff-marshmellow-man-original-toy.jpg" width="254" height="273" /></p>

[Liral]

<p>Betray a Dwarf paladin at level 10.</p>

[Longfangz]

<p>Erudite ftw. All the racials have been listed above for the most part, but considering how many spells we have vs melee CA's, I purposefully went racially more casterish. Statwise they may be less melee oriented at say level 1 comparing starting stats, but as we all know as soon as you throw on some gear with any stats that point is moot. With the extra spell crit + racial spell haste, as well as an encounter based AE (since we have no other encounter damage AE's to speak of) as well as stylish good looks in plate.The ward is not large enough to really be a "Oh crap!" ability, but I throw it on before a fight just to give the healer a small cushion while they settle in. I wish I could chose hps vice power as one of the racial traits, but still in mostly T2 shard gear I am at 12k hps and just under 7k power, so I can't complain too much considering I am not fully raid equipped.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I like ogres and trolls too, but thier racials speak more of a pure melee tank class (which is my my zerk and guard are both ogres) but with our highest dps abilities being spells and not CA's, I chose to go more the battle mage route, currently with 92% spell crit with AA's and plate gear (one of the few things the devs did right this expansion not making SK's sacrifice tanking ability having to wear peices of cloth/leather etc gear to increase our dps) while still having more than enough STR to benefit our few small CA's and autoattack damage.</p><p>Dark elves are meh imo as an SK. In EQ1 DE was the way to go, but the racials are too much a cross between rogue-ish traits and healer/caster traits. A little bit of everything but not overly biased towards any class, let alone subclass.</p><p>Iksar have some decent tank traits, but still a bit more pure melee class biased to me, somewhere between a warrior and rogue/assassin.</p><p>Ok, now on to dorfs... that's just wrong to even consider and you should shoot yourself for even thinking that, not to mention that tanking as a small race is a pita unless you use an illusion. Honestly I have a gnome bruiser and halfling pally, and they are horrible to tank on simply because of the game mechanics. What I mean is, your smaller character actually has to stand closer to the mob to reach it with autoattack than a larger race. I tested this out many times way back when my ogre zerk was duoing with my wife's DE fury. She would have to stand in front of me to hit the mob if we were on the same side of the mob (not that fury's melee mind you, just simply stating our amusement while messing around as newbies). And there have been so many times on my gnome bruiser, halfling pally, or fae dirge that I wouldn't even realize right away untill I look down to see the "too far away" message for my autoattack attempts that i needed to get right up under the mob to actually hit it. This is not so much of an issue for obvious large scale raid mobs like the dragons in VP since they have huge hit boxes. But for regular grouping vs humanoid or smaller mobs, you can find yourself sometimes out of range of the mob due to self or mob being stunned, knockdowns, knockbacks etc when the other 5 group members are blocking your vision of how far away the mob really is that you are not actually hitting for a few attempts. Needless to say I use illusions on these characters 99% of the time.</p><p>Anyhow, Erudite ftw</p><p>Just say no to LU51... you have the right to chose what stance you want to be in for whatever situation without the devs dictating it for you while making you [Removed for Content] dps or a useless raid addition(assuming you aren't the MT and taking damage 100% of the raid).</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Longfangz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Ok, now on to dorfs... that's just wrong to even consider and you should shoot yourself for even thinking that, not to mention that tanking as a small race is a pita unless you use an illusion. Honestly I have a gnome bruiser and halfling pally, and they are horrible to tank on simply because of the game mechanics. What I mean is, your smaller character actually has to stand closer to the mob to reach it with autoattack than a larger race. I tested this out many times way back when my ogre zerk was duoing with my wife's DE fury. She would have to stand in front of me to hit the mob if we were on the same side of the mob (not that fury's melee mind you, just simply stating our amusement while messing around as newbies). And there have been so many times on my gnome bruiser, halfling pally, or fae dirge that I wouldn't even realize right away untill I look down to see the "too far away" message for my autoattack attempts that i needed to get right up under the mob to actually hit it. This is not so much of an issue for obvious large scale raid mobs like the dragons in VP since they have huge hit boxes. But for regular grouping vs humanoid or smaller mobs, you can find yourself sometimes out of range of the mob due to self or mob being stunned, knockdowns, knockbacks etc when the other 5 group members are blocking your vision of how far away the mob really is that you are not actually hitting for a few attempts. Needless to say I use illusions on these characters 99% of the time.</blockquote><p>That's completly false.  All of my characters are ratongas of the smallest size including two tanks and I have <em>never</em> had a problem with having to be especially close to a mob to hit it.</p>

[Longfangz]

<p>Try playing a large race tank then and compare. If you always play tiny toons then maybe you are used to being alot closer than I have to be on my larger races. Also I am typically panned out quite far in 3rd person to ensure I notice any incoming mobs I need to be ready to grab ahold of, and that can affect being able to see how close you are to the mob as well, especially when you have a large group. However, I have tested this many times and it is not false.</p>

[Blaidd]

<p>Iksar no doubt about it!!</p><p>They look awesome in plate and the helm suits them perfectly.</p><p>Underwater breathing and the best swim animation of any races.</p><p>Aquavision - take your ambushes to a new lvl by being able to see the enemy underwater and with TSO quite a few places with water to hide in <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Invisibility - drains power constantly but handy in some situations.</p><p>and you can always use the illusions from the bone collections if your after appearance <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ejia]

<p>I play a Sarnak SK...I used to get asked why all the time and even got told I wasted a toon slot once or twice.  However, I love the fact that they aren't that common at least I haven't seen too many of them.</p>

[DwarvesR]

<p>Mine's a female high elf -- as was stated above, brains, beauty, and evil!  What's not to like?</p><p>The racial bonuses aren't bad either -- spell crit, defense and parry skill, another AE, and the safe fall -- works pretty good.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Ejia@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play a Sarnak SK...I used to get asked why all the time and even got told I wasted a toon slot once or twice.  However, I love the fact that they aren't that common at least I haven't seen too many of them.</p></blockquote><p>Are you serious? I've never seen anyone complain about someone being a certain race/class ever. (In game that is.)</p>

[mo0rbid]

<p>ogre- they are too big</p><p>barbarian - looks like fat children</p><p>sarnak - looks very weird</p><p>erudite - not sk-ish the least</p><p>kerra - they don't look sk-ish</p><p>go ratonga, iksar or dark elf</p>

[Levatino]

<p>troll for the win</p>