Inconsistant Lore for Greenmist Quest

[Dreyco]

<p>So far i've been doing the Greenmist quest and found three inconsistancies.  I'll be posting others here as I find them.</p><ul><li>The Quest says that the Iksar lost their faith in Cazic Thule and turned to Syllok and the Church of Sathir during the Shattering.  The shattering was 15-30 years ago.  I don't think that Sathir took control, reclaimed Sebilis, and built an entire army in that short a period of time.  Lore states that Cabilis was destroyed by the Rending, which was several hundred years ago.  That sounds a little more accurate.</li><li>The Quest states that Cazic Thule was the one that gave Rile Sathir the blade in the first place, which is false.  The blade was forged by the Haggle Baron Dalnir.</li><li>The quest states that the blade is the Divine Blade of Cazic Thule, which it's not.  The blade was the "Sacred Khukri of Rile", and was renowned as a weapon of Heroes within the Crusaders of Greenmist.  The weapon was never claimed to be "Divine", but it was of high prestige to be able to wield it within the Temple.</li></ul><p>Will be adding more of these as I find them.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>As confirmed by Missdoomcookie, the Shattering actually happened 50 years ago, and finally stabilized 15 years ago. 50 years is long enough to form an empire.</p><p>I don't know any specifics about the HQ (or even where to start it), but by what manner are you learning the info the 2nd two points you pointed out? If they're by word of mouth by NPCs, then the inaccuracies usually lay there. I remember Vhalen and Moorgard both saying that all lore and recorded history is often from the viewpoint of one perspective. It's possible that the info from this HQ was slowly changed over time because that is what the NPCs interpreted it as such from the source they learned it from.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>Just saying: The lore states that Cabilis (And thus the Empire) Fell due to the Rending.  Did Sathir seize immidiate control? Or were things broken apart for about 250 years.</p><p>The other tidbits come from dialogue through the quest, yes, which is inspired by official "Canon" that you pick up throughout it.</p><p>Still, if you want to teach history through a heritage quest, tell the story right! *Bonks someone* <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I never really learned the details of the original quest (never played a shadowknight) but even I think it would be nice to see mention of Dalnir again. I enjoyed the Crypt of Dalnir so much because of the Crescent armor that dropped for monks and such. At least keep Dalnir in the history books in this game too.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>That's why he got his own crypt as Haggle Baron if i'm not mistaken, so yeah, he's a huge figure in Iksar lore.  He's the guy that brought Greenmist to be in the first place for Rile <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>He deserves his recognition again! Completely agree!</p>

[Cronyn]

<p>My mistake, I didn't make that part clear enough.</p><p>The [knowledge of how to form] the blade is supposed to be the divine gift, which would make the blade itself a divine gift (it's assumed it's not just given to everyone).  That's how Xuurk himself can give you a Greenmist while keeping his own - he had his cronies make one for you.</p><p>I think the main problem is that I told the story too much from Xuurk's point of view, without making it clear enough for lore junkies.  I certainly want to tell the story correctly, so I can amend part of the text to clear up the issue if it would make more sense.</p><p>I apologize for the confusion, but thanks for the heads up.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Dreyco]

<p>Cronyn <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You're awesome.  Thank you for looking at this.</p><p>Though if you go back to the original quests, the ways of forming the blade were offered through historical texts within the Temple of Fear.  Unless things have changed (Which i'm willing to admit that they have), the quest itself in EverQuest I had the crusader searching throughout Kunark for methods of forging it himself.  This brought him (or her for that matter) to the Haggle Baron's Crypt, where Dalnir himself aided you in forging the blade.  You had to go all over the fracking place to get the materials.  I will never forget that quest line.</p><p>It's also why Dreyco can't wait to get his hands on his old sword again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>So at the moment, the knowledge of the sword's forging, lost to time, has become a divine gift? Interesting.</p>

[Cronyn]

<p>The idea I was going with on this was that the original Greenmist (the one given to Rile) was at the time supposed to be one of a kind - the knowledge of its creation passed down by Cazic with the intent of giving it to the "hero" of the time (which was Rile).  Cazic, knowing that iksar emperors don't generally rule for long, passes it down as a recipe rather than a single sword, so that more can be made as more "heroes" arise within the Empire.  When the blade was lost at sea (along with Rile and all of his poker buddies), the knowledge of it's creation (as a whole) is lost as well.</p><p>In EQ1, players put that knowledge back together with the help of Dalnir, and it is preserved.  Another thing I wanted to convey (which I don't think I was successful at) was that Cazic would 'touch' the blade to make it sacred, which is why the original Rile blade was divine but assumably the EQ1 blades were not.</p><p>Again, I apologize for having to explain my thoughts here rather than explaining it through the quest dialog properly.  Hopefully that gives you a little more understanding of why Xuurk explained things the way he did.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zorastiz]

<p>I had my Greenmist in EQ-1 and was truly psyched to see it come to life in EQ-2, I saw this post and just had to chime in, sorry I'm off topic, kudos on the lore corrections, you are on target now.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>That sounds very cool, actually <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If you could convey all that information? It would really help, and also, so long as the points above are all corrected? Dreyco will spare a dwarf on the next full moon late night luncheon! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[troodon]

<p>I want to add my thanks for putting this quest in the game.  I've been begging for a Greenmist HQ since release and I finally got it!</p><p>Thank you!</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The idea I was going with on this was that the original Greenmist (the one given to Rile) was at the time supposed to be one of a kind - the knowledge of its creation passed down by Cazic with the intent of giving it to the "hero" of the time (which was Rile).  Cazic, knowing that iksar emperors don't generally rule for long, passes it down as a recipe rather than a single sword, so that more can be made as more "heroes" arise within the Empire.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>When the blade was lost at sea</strong></span> (along with Rile and all of his poker buddies), the knowledge of it's creation (as a whole) is lost as well.</p><p>In EQ1, players put that knowledge back together with the help of Dalnir, and it is preserved.  Another thing I wanted to convey (which I don't think I was successful at) was that Cazic would 'touch' the blade to make it sacred, which is why the original Rile blade was divine but assumably the EQ1 blades were not.</p><p>Again, I apologize for having to explain my thoughts here rather than explaining it through the quest dialog properly.  Hopefully that gives you a little more understanding of why Xuurk explained things the way he did.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The Shattered Blade of Rile (Greenmist, I know it was cause that's what Dalnir needed to make another blade template) was part of the EQ1 quest for Greenmist, it is (or was) found on a crate in Karnor's Castle.  So it seems that the blade wasn't lost at sea (though Rile himself was) since the sword was carried into the Castle during the Crusade of Rok'Nilok some time later (this fits with it being the best time for it to appear there, since the Crusaders were what eventually became the Crusaders of Greenmist, it would be something symbolic for them to weild).  Since this was before Venril's rise as a lich, and therefore before Rile's remains had been found (Venril was revived using Rile's bones after Rile burned Venril's corpse partly through the ritual.  the rules as given then were that you needed your own body, or the body of your father / son).</p><p>Some of that may be a little off, but that's always the impression I got from the books and dialoge in EQ1</p><p>On a side note, can someone explain to me WHY Dominus Rile Sathir is an Assassin (according to his buffs and CAs) and NOT a ShadowKnight?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>On a side note, can someone explain to me WHY Dominus Rile Sathir is an Assassin (according to his buffs and CAs) and NOT a ShadowKnight?</p></blockquote><p>Probably the same reason why the statues of Lucan D'Lere in Freeport are always seen with a paladin buff on itself.</p>

[icebones]

<p>ok quick question so the NPC that starts this quest after u get some click thingy from a zone the real Danak Dhorentath or no?</p>

[Dreyco]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The idea I was going with on this was that the original Greenmist (the one given to Rile) was at the time supposed to be one of a kind - the knowledge of its creation passed down by Cazic with the intent of giving it to the "hero" of the time (which was Rile).  Cazic, knowing that iksar emperors don't generally rule for long, passes it down as a recipe rather than a single sword, so that more can be made as more "heroes" arise within the Empire.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>When the blade was lost at sea</strong></span> (along with Rile and all of his poker buddies), the knowledge of it's creation (as a whole) is lost as well.</p><p>In EQ1, players put that knowledge back together with the help of Dalnir, and it is preserved.  Another thing I wanted to convey (which I don't think I was successful at) was that Cazic would 'touch' the blade to make it sacred, which is why the original Rile blade was divine but assumably the EQ1 blades were not.</p><p>Again, I apologize for having to explain my thoughts here rather than explaining it through the quest dialog properly.  Hopefully that gives you a little more understanding of why Xuurk explained things the way he did.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>The Shattered Blade of Rile (Greenmist, I know it was cause that's what Dalnir needed to make another blade template) was part of the EQ1 quest for Greenmist, it is (or was) found on a crate in Karnor's Castle.  So it seems that the blade wasn't lost at sea (though Rile himself was) since the sword was carried into the Castle during the Crusade of Rok'Nilok some time later (this fits with it being the best time for it to appear there, since the Crusaders were what eventually became the Crusaders of Greenmist, it would be something symbolic for them to weild).  Since this was before Venril's rise as a lich, and therefore before Rile's remains had been found (Venril was revived using Rile's bones after Rile burned Venril's corpse partly through the ritual.  the rules as given then were that you needed your own body, or the body of your father / son).</p><p>Some of that may be a little off, but that's always the impression I got from the books and dialoge in EQ1</p><p>On a side note, can someone explain to me WHY Dominus Rile Sathir is an Assassin (according to his buffs and CAs) and NOT a ShadowKnight?</p></blockquote><p>GOod catch <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Most of what I Remember are the historical bits, and not these fine details, as it was sooooo long ago!</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>icebones wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ok quick question so the NPC that starts this quest after u get some click thingy from a zone the real Danak Dhorentath or no?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that's the real Danak.  Cazic made him immortal, but his wounds never fully heal.</p>

[DMIstar]

<p>"On a side note, can someone explain to me WHY Dominus Rile Sathir is an Assassin (according to his buffs and CAs) and NOT a ShadowKnight?"</p><p>One of the inconsistantcies with the "Kuhkri of Rile" That I posted about awhile back ... how can a the blade be named after him if he cant even use it...</p><p> "Probably the same reason why the statues of Lucan D'Lere in Freeport are always seen with a paladin buff on itself."</p><p>Theres no Real Quess work on here Lucan D'Lere Is a pally, though have not read up all the lore in EQ2 to see if he actually changed. the buffs are just stringing on to What he was in east Freeport (EQ1)</p><p> Overall I had the Greenmist in EQ1 .. Was one of my best weapons.. In this game though its stats just makes you believe it was never used.</p><p>Phara Dar in EQ also Held the "Sword of Rile"</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Istar@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>"On a side note, can someone explain to me WHY Dominus Rile Sathir is an Assassin (according to his buffs and CAs) and NOT a ShadowKnight?"</p><p>One of the inconsistantcies with the "Kuhkri of Rile" That I posted about awhile back ... how can a the blade be named after him if he cant even use it...</p><p> "Probably the same reason why the statues of Lucan D'Lere in Freeport are always seen with a paladin buff on itself."</p><p>Theres no Real Quess work on here Lucan D'Lere Is a pally, though have not read up all the lore in EQ2 to see if he actually changed. the buffs are just stringing on to What he was in east Freeport (EQ1)</p><p> Overall I had the Greenmist in EQ1 .. Was one of my best weapons.. In this game though its stats just makes you believe it was never used.</p><p>Phara Dar in EQ also Held the "Sword of Rile"</p></blockquote><p>Lucan *WAS* a Paladin, before Mithanial Marr stripped him of all his holy powers... In hindsight, a big mistake, as doing so allowed him to become a Lich. With his holy powers, he probably never could have pulled it off.</p>

[DMIstar]

<p>Aye so they are coining that for the buffs the statues has .. In retrospect Rile was never an assasin/scout. Which is why its a huge inconsistancy</p>