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laawintown

11-23-2008, 12:46 PM

well with all the new aas im wondering whats the very best dps set up accross the 3 trees now with the str line back and the new aas.1 im looking for the best out put of dps2 im looking for the best tanking set upwhats do ya all think ?

Pnaxx

11-24-2008, 08:54 AM

Well...if your soloing you need your defence up and running too. But pure DPS should be STR Line with Chi, Wis Line, Int for Crits. Go light on all the defensive stuff and heavy on the hits. But just hope you don't get hit cause you will go down like a box of rocks.

Pnaxx

11-24-2008, 08:56 AM

As a side note, I think that groups dont want us as a DPS player, they want us for outr versatility. Useing defensive stance combined with Shake Off really helps the tank alot. So, if we go light on the defensive stuff, we lose that ability to really help or off tank cause with pure dps, we wont be able to take a hit.

Greavous

11-24-2008, 10:46 AM

Yawn, Pnaxx man up or go role a class that doesn’t involve getting hit, hitting things or leaving Freeport. This has got to be the weakest bunch of p***y talk I’ve heard in a while.Firstly Iaawintown you need to pick up Chi at the end of your Str line. This has become a must now the “no weapon” requirement has been lifted. Most people will use a combination of the AGi line, the Wiz line and Int line. So far I’ve trialed 5 different builds and have settled on what I think is a solid combination of defence and dps. My play style doesn’t lend itself to switching between a dps build and a defensive build. I’ve gone with an always build which seems to be balanced so far.My BuildStr 4,4,8,7,2AGI 4,4,8 (I believe the increase reuse speed in this is a must)Wiz 4,4,4 (A lot of the new instances are multi mob encounters and as much as Crane flock is nice, crane twirl is more than enough to help hold imo)Int 4,4,8 ( unless you’ve been able to max your crit with raid gear, dropping the crit is too big a dps lose to wear) I’ve cannibalized the Bruiser line quite a lot to get early hits in the shadow tree which I think gives more bang for your buck. I have never been brought into a group for my versatility. Bruisers are the best heroic tanks in the game and only being there to support plate tanks is a joke. There are Bruisers who don’t like to tank and are dps minded only that can hold a mob for a bit if the MT goes down. But to paint a Bruiser as a class this way Quote: (But just hope you don't get hit cause you will go down like a box of rocks) and (So, if we go light on the defensive stuff, we lose that ability to really help or off tank cause with pure dps, we wont be able to take a hit) is just limp.So far I’ve tanked maybe 10 of the new zones including Miragul’s Phylactery, Mistmoore, Guk and Befallen all with 1 healer only.Most of them I’ve found disappointingly easy. Sorry if you feel I’m being harsh Pnaxx but I’m sick of people implying that somehow a Bruiser is less able than other tanking classes when I’ve never had that experience. Yes when it comes to epics we have a disadvantage against plate wearers, but with the changes in this expansion even that is diminishing. Just rememberBruiser is the new BLACK

Pnaxx

11-24-2008, 09:17 PM

Greavous, phat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.With that being said, I NEVER said we can't tank. Please READ before you yawn. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />I said DON'T neglect the defensive stuff.......I then pointed out 2 reasons why.1. You will go down like a box of rocks. You will...thats why YOU dodn't do that yourself.2. If we off tank, the Shake Off in defensive stance is a great way to contribute as oppossed to just thinking we will end up as a tier one dps machine otherwise.Now, please return to your regularly scheduled program.>>>>>Edit....BTW, I think your full of chit too in regards to tanking all these zones with ONE healer and with ease. Please! Unless of course you are with and uber l33t group raid equipt. Otherwise....Phat Chance.

Greavous

11-24-2008, 11:47 PM

<h1>Took 2 mins to have a quick look at a few posts you’ve made Pnaxx</h1> Quote (Looks like we can’t do RE 2. Have any of you tanked that the whole way through?) Yes the first day it was released. 1 healer zone cleared. Quote (The other issue I am seeing is, we can’t handle too well high end agro) I never have problems with single target agro and multi groups are a breeze. The only problems I have is with multi multi groups. More than 1 multi group at a time. Quote (Plate tanks do much better in these zones than I do. Bottom line. And yea, I know a troll will tell me I suck...blah blah blah...but up until those zones, I was a regarded tank. Now, I am not really highly regarded there...and rightly so. It is a bummer)<h2>This seems to be a problem to you only</h2> Quote (We are a subpar tank. I am comin to gripes with it) More of the same crap. No you are a subpar tank, speak for your self Quote (Chardok is a death trap. I have been there alot now and have only made it into he Library Building once. It has gotten so bad that I now carry a bunch of reair kits to keep me and others unbroken. It’s horrible) This zone is a breeze for 80% of Bruisers, Maybe you should ask a real one about it. Quote (My guild had a dueling party in SS last night...and lets just say I gave a less than respectable showing) Seems your lack of ability is the thing that is stopping you from shining as a Bruiser. Seriously, stick to your Illy dude cause I know u don’t want to learn how to play your toon. All you want is the devs to give you a godmode toon and even then I’m sure you will complain.Not only have I tanked these zones with one healer, but the Guk instance was healed by a MC geared lvl 77 Temp. Almost every fight in all of these instances were tanked in offensive stance. Only 2 of the named forced me to go defensive as I had to hold a lot of mobs on me at a time while the name was being burned. 50% of all of these groups were pick ups. Your pride might not be able to handle this information but just ask around. I’m sure you will get the truthYes I have some nice gear, but that is because I haven’t been wasting my time with complaining about how [Removed for Content] I am and got on and worked my a** off to get it. Dude seriously, if you are having trouble with the tanking aspect of the Bruiser class, ask for some help. Hell I’ll give you a few tips if you want, but please stop with the “we are [Removed for Content]” routine. Get a Bruiser attitude.

Pnaxx

11-25-2008, 07:33 PM

YAWN......Greavous, look mate, I am always open to learning. I look and I listen. If someone has something to say, then great. Fact is, zones like RE2, Guk ect are very very tough zones. Most people understand that. I actually spend most of my life working and raising a houshold of boys with my wife....so raiding is tough to fit in. Oh, but if I would just whining more......Your just a joke brother. If you have something constuructive to say, say it, but please lay off the CONSTANT macho talk. I have learned thorught my life the macho talkers are the biggest pu**ies. If I were a betting man, I would have to put you in that catagory.I play this just for fun and try to learn as much as I can. I have been in RE2 with a fully fabled guard who was getting owned at times because the rest of us were only legendary equipt. I don't mind that these zones are hard...I like it...and I am not whining other classes can do it better. It makes no difference to me at all. I do my best when I am tanking and generally do a great job at it. But others can do it better. My self esteem isn't wrapped into this like your is. Please, get a life and step away form the computer and get out of your parents basement.....before its too late!!!!!

Aull

11-25-2008, 08:32 PM

Please remember that this game comes before everything else in life!!! Significant other. Work. Health. Friends. Absolutely anything that is of value takes second place to this game!!!! It isn't about fun! This is about being some alternate being that is totally awesome yet totally opposite of what a person really is in life. Its all about living vicariously through another person(s) invention in a virtual world that doesn't even exsist.LOL!!! Hope that you bruisers out there (and anyone else) don't take this game that serious.Peace!

Greavous

11-26-2008, 01:41 AM

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and so I’m pleased to have witnessed your climb to the first rung of the ladder Aull. I believe there are 2 different types of personalities in this world1: Can do2: No can do If being a can do sort of person means I’m a macho and a joke as you so eloquently put it then guilty as charged.I’m sure that will give you great peace of mind as you watch me and others like me do all the things you so plainly don’t believe are possible.Unfortunately having 2 daughters I raise solo kinda means I can’t live in my mothers basement but I do appreciate your concern.<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;" >I’m sorry if my comments have caused you any great distress, but I am sick of reading such negative comments from people who so obviously have no idea about the class they so casually criticize.

Pnaxx

11-26-2008, 02:10 AM

<cite>Brannigan@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and so I’m pleased to have witnessed your climb to the first rung of the ladder Aull. I believe there are 2 different types of personalities in this world1: Can do2: No can do If being a can do sort of person means I’m a macho and a joke as you so eloquently put it then guilty as charged.I’m sure that will give you great peace of mind as you watch me and others like me do all the things you so plainly don’t believe are possible.Unfortunately having 2 daughters I raise solo kinda means I can’t live in my mothers basement but I do appreciate your concern.<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">I’m sorry if my comments have caused you any great distress, but I am sick of reading such negative comments from people who so obviously have no idea about the class they so casually criticize.</blockquote>Hehe....you are a legend in ur own mind. I rememeber you quoting Achillis before that they will never write books about me like they will you. Hehe...I love it. Why does raising 2 kids solo mean u can't live in the basement...you probably should. As much time as you spend playing this game, maybe your daughters would like the same attention. yea, I went there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Aull

11-26-2008, 02:11 AM

Your comments do not cause me great distress. I enjoy your input kind sir cause I do feel that you are what you say you are. Having your input is nice to have as long as you are not being disrespectful of others. If I have disrespected someone here then I apologize. Never my intention to do so. One thing that I can do is joke around. Nothing targeted toward you or Pnaxx or anyone else.Now since I believe in the "can do" lets just let all this moiche talk slide. No blood no foul.Thanks.

Greavous

11-26-2008, 02:52 AM

Pnaxx you have just shown the true nature of your soul. I have my daughters every second week so have plenty of time to devote to both the love’s of my life and my hobby (EQ2).It truly is a shame that you would stoop to such an undignified response. Surely a nerve must have been pinched to produce such a ugly statement and as a father to a father, shame on you.Any person that knows me both in and out of the game knows too well that my girls come first. Truly sir you are lowly rat and I spit on you. If indeed you were not hiding behind your monitor you would indeed be a very sorry little man. Thank you Aull. 90 % of everything posted is obviously tongue in cheek and produces a grin now and again and I harbour no ill will towards you. I like the fact you have an opinion and are prepared to express it.

Pnaxx

11-26-2008, 10:06 AM

Greavous, I normally wouldn't go that low, but your a twit and brought it out....what can I say. But, I am sorry for saying that, but your still a twit.Edit....lol...i forgot about the part where im hiding behind the screen...oh yea, and I'm little. Hehe...if you say it enough times it will become true. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Greavous

11-26-2008, 05:12 PM

Truly Pnaxx you epitomise every thing that’s wrong in global attitudes now days. When your continual whinging and whining and your low expectations of your self and for those around you are criticised, immediately you stoop to name calling and petty mud throwing. No reasoned argument. No informed opinion. No looking for a better way or new idea’s. Just the same old illiterate abuse and excuse. Luckily there are enough people around that believe being average isn’t the goal and using the word twit speaks volumes about the mental capacity of an individual. <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;" >Ps: being a fat slob doesn’t make you big sorry, just floppy.

Aull

11-26-2008, 05:18 PM

I had a 4,4,8,8,2 strgth, 4,4,8 agil, and 4,4,8,8,2 intel in my mirror that I have been running. So far I am pleased and once I can get more crit gear I will set my bruiser up on a wis, strgth, and agil set up. For now I just don't want to loose any crits since I am soloing mostly and this set up is doing fine. I also like the parry that comes with the intel line as well.I haven't had any time to really get involved in an tso instance yet but I am sure that experience will change my mind.

Greavous

11-26-2008, 08:09 PM

Yeah the parry lose for me was the biggest hit but funnily enough I really haven’t seen a difference. Even my riposte seems around the same as it was when I had the Int parry maxed. Not sure why and it doesn’t make a lot of sense but there you go. I think your right Aull, you will find it tough tanking some tso instances without some extra AE hate going on. Some zones you just have to chain pull multi mob encounters and the dps you have to create to stay ahead of the repops behind means worrying about a single mob being on the healer or some mad wizzy just cant be in the formula. But as I suggested earlier I’ve found all I’ve needed is the 4 in crane twirl to give enough of an edge.

Madmoon

11-26-2008, 09:25 PM

<cite>Brannigan@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>... I’m sick of people implying that somehow a Bruiser is less able than other tanking classes when I’ve never had that experience. Yes when it comes to epics we have a disadvantage against plate wearers, but with the changes in this expansion even that is diminishing. Just rememberBruiser is the new BLACK</blockquote>Say it, brother, say it!I got so tired of the constant yammering about us tanking, I stopped posting. There's a reason I have taunts Master or Master II. No pretty boy in a can is going to hold anything but an Epic better'n me.RedmouserBruiser, AB

Dalthenn

11-27-2008, 06:19 PM

Moderator, if one exists, please lock this thread.These two trolls, Brannigan and Pnaxx, have ruined this thread with their childish posts! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" />

Greavous

11-27-2008, 06:57 PM

Ty Fauk for your positive and helpful comment. Just when I thought we had managed to get this thread back on track too. A troll: Someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community. So far the only person who has not commented on the actual thread subject is your self Fauk

Aull

11-27-2008, 07:44 PM

Yeah I was pondering the if crane twirl would be enough, but I still haven't tried it. I might get a wild hair and try your setup there Bran just to feel it out. Right now I am just being stubborn.

DarkMirrax

11-29-2008, 02:04 PM

@ Brannigan - As you have tanked Guk with a solo healing 77 templar why is it that your eq2players shows "The Owner of this Character has Restricted Access to this Area"? be interesting to see what gear your wearing to make you invicible <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Greavous

11-30-2008, 12:18 AM

Not sure why tanking Guk has any baring on my profile on players, maybe what you’re trying to imply is that I’m hiding my gear because I’m really some noob bruiser in MC gear?<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">What ever the reason Dark, I’ve allowed access to see my setup. I hope this may answer some of your questions and prove helpful for some.

DarkMirrax

11-30-2008, 05:43 AM

<cite>Brannigan@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure why tanking Guk has any baring on my profile on players, maybe what you’re trying to imply is that I’m hiding my gear because I’m really some noob bruiser in MC gear?<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">What ever the reason Dark, I’ve allowed access to see my setup. I hope this may answer some of your questions and prove helpful for some.</blockquote>Not implying anything bro , always keen to see what gear / items others are using as i always look to know what improvements to make on my own brusier. Thanks for allowing access mate <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> And ive never done the zone with less that 2 healers <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> guess the healers on my server suck <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Pnaxx

11-30-2008, 09:51 PM

To get back on track here....to Greavous and the rest....Explain what you do tanking that helps ye so much. I always need improvement and if some of you are successful in tanking these zones I am struggling in, please share the "wizdom"...I can always use it.The things that I so regularly would be to...Be in offensive stance.Put my Avoidence buff on someone to increase mine.I have all master taunts and ADIII's CA's and some master CA too.When my Mit buff is up I use it.I pop Stone Skin too (not the one that stuns me)If things get too hairy, I pop into defensive stance a bit to let healers catch up.I have Master Heal and the AA's for it too to be maxed out.My gear is top end legendary with Fabled epic weapon.Before expansion my Aa's were AGI/INT/STA. Also have 5 AA's in all my CA's on Bruiser tree and Taunts too.So anyway, thats some background. Looking for what helps you all tank GUK, RE2 ect so easy. Lay it on me.

Greavous

12-01-2008, 03:21 AM

I think the single biggest improvement I made as a tank is to understand my CA’s well. Know when to use them and when not to. The real secret to heroic Brawler tanking is the use of our stuns and interrupts. I’m a chain puller so in a run through CoA ill be pulling 4 mobs at a time and when one is down I’ll be getting the next one. That way we get the most out of our ae’s and buffs like Crane Twirl. When fighting in tougher zones like Guk, throwing out a CA like Crane sweep as soon as the mobs are all on you is a must to allow the healer to get a good amount of inbound heals on you. Learn the CA’s that have a stun component and don’t use them unless you’re getting rocked or unless the mobs are cake. In Guk you get a combo of (1x^^^ + 1x ^^) or (4 x ^^). There are a few other variables but that is the usual build. If your fighting the ^^^ and ^^ combo just burn the ^^ as fast as possible and then the ^^^. Remember if you use Crane Sweep to start you get 2 or 3 free hits before they climb into you and if on hit 3 or 4 u use another stun, all you have hitting you is the ^^^ for the first 6 seconds of the fight. Don’t use Resistant spirit unless it’s a named or your getting hit bad. I’d rather have it when I need it than wasting it on trash. If it’s a caster mob then and only then use Stone deaf and remember that your group taunt is also a interrupt. Use it as much as u can as another period of damage free melee. I don’t have a casting order. I use what I need at the time. Some times it’s similar most fights and sometimes it’s totally different every fight. I suppose what I’m saying is DON’T BLOW YOUR LOAD EARLYI do more damage when I’m standing up.Also if your really getting dealt to and your self heal is down, throw Rescue up and follow it with a stun and then Rock Skin. Wait till the healers caught you up or if somehow someone’s pulled it off you ,drop it and hit with another stun. This is a ah sh*t moment and not the norm but it works well when the healer needs to catch up.Don’t use your heal unless you need to. Trust your healer. Thank your healer for a good job and they will work harder for you than anyone else.As the tank you are the leader of the group. Without the rest of them your f**k*d but its your job to set the tone and the expectation. Don’t be shy to expect the best play from those around you. And don’t be slow to praise when a average player does well. I usually wait for around 30 seconds to get a full group and I play at dead time. Most my groups are 80% different people. I have been playing far too long to suffer fools in group but a player who truly wants to be good, regardless of how bad they play I will help as much as I can. The biggest lesson I’ve learnt in this game is<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">The more I learn the more I understand how little I know

Mogzilla

12-01-2008, 04:25 AM

Brawler tree4-4-8-6-2 str4-4-8 agi4-4-8 int4-4-5 wisfor tanking and dps.

Sprin

12-04-2008, 09:22 PM

Great suggestions on setup guys, im fairly new to my bruiser (although hes 75 / 120) now, but i grinded him up pretty fast from 30's to where i am.... and have been trying different stuff...I play on naggy, so PVP is an important consideration in my AA line, though i do eventually want to get one for PVP and one for everything else... mainly because for PVP i want the biggest burst DPS i can possibly have, i love Mantis Leap for it because it lets me get to those runners that seem to want to fight and run when they start to lose, so i save that for the end when i know they will run cuz they are getting pwned in the face by me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (orange lvl 80 brigs are the biggest of these, who somehow think because im green im an easy no brainer target, and when i start to rock them, they get panicky cuz they didnt pop their temps or prepare for the fight that i put out) In PVP, i mostly solo or small group, so the WIS line seems a bit of a waste, and i love the mantis leap for mages where my close mind is down, or for those rangers with the enless snares....I will definately try the suggested setup and see what happens, i dont really use Mantis for the crit portion of it, though that really does come in great handy when you pull multiple mobs and just hit mantis + multi attack AOE and watch the numbers fly through the roof as you crit 32 attacks all at once <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the Shadow tree looks pretty sexy as far as the chain mitigation, damage absorption and 2 separate increases to deflection are available....I want my toon to be a pvp monster and just destroy scouts without a second thought, and tanking, bleh, i had a 70 zerker pretty geared out in VOX as my first toon, tanking is ok, but im not that fond of it... people always seem to blame the tank and put you in a list unfairly due to some aggro [Removed for Content] that doesnt want to control their burst insane dps when you body pull, then they pull aggro, start dying, so healer puts massive heals on them, and it seems as if you cant control the mobs, when in reality its just the fact they cant control dps before you have even started controlling the mob.... I like the idea of OFF tank / DPS, as these toons seem to put out a heafty amount of damage, and can help the tank keep aggro and avoid blows.... reactive taunt to detaunt line on bruiser tree seems to work well for that too... and in the case of a bad pull on the tanks part, a quick switch to def and a rescue, will help keep the MT alive and the fight goin strong...

Arumizyr

12-04-2008, 09:51 PM

Personally, i like tanking alot more then i do DPS. And not to say negatives and all, but its usually the guys who think they cant tank that make everyone else think we cant. Also, Knockout Combo needs to get Mastered, its a life saver.

Pnaxx

12-05-2008, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the info folks.....Brannigan. I will check in with my progress here.

Sprin

12-05-2008, 01:15 PM

<cite>Arumizyr wrote:</cite><blockquote> Personally, i like tanking alot more then i do DPS. And not to say negatives and all, but its usually the guys who think they cant tank that make everyone else think we cant. Also, Knockout Combo needs to get Mastered, its a life saver.</blockquote>Well what i think is the main problem is there are so few of bruisers, or brawlers in general, compared to the amount of plate tanks out there that, just like with plate tanks or any tanks for that matter, you have people that dont know how to play their class or set their aa's up right, or gear up right for tanking.... teh problem is that there are a HUGE number of Plate tanks comparatively, so you end up getting more plate tanks that tank better just simply based on the number difference of poeople that play the different classes... So you get this "INstance group looking for Plate tank" and people automatically assume brawlers cant tank an instance etc... The truth be told, ive seen (healed, and DPS'd with) brawlers that have been better than plate tanks and ive also seen brawlers that claim they are "uber geared" and i couldnt keep them alive cuz they just couldnt take a hit and / or couldnt tank....I think the fact remains that it takes more skill to tank on a brawler then it does on a plate tank, as the shield and mitigation arent there, so like said above, you have to time your knockdowns and stuns etc, when your taking hits and time your temps and cures right so that you maximize your own DPS and tanking abilities..It takes quite a bit of skill to tank well, and there arent many people who can really tank well, add that to the above that there are hardly any brawler tanks out there and you get your misconception that brawlers suck at tanking...I like to think of me as a pretty good tank, Khonann on VOX was my first toon ever on EQ2, zerker, that i did pretty much nothing but tank instances on for a living till i moved to Naggy to become a DPS / Healer class...I have an old End game Zerker, a new end game bruiser, an 80 epic Mystic, 80 Epic Swashy, and my 80 Mythical Illy, so i like to try out every class in each of their settings and see how they they work.... Bruiser i must say is one of the most fun so far for PVP... I will try tanking eventually on those instances like COA that i know so well from bringing up all my other toons... but will wait till i have near full set of PVP armor before trying out any hard core TSO zones.....

Pnaxx

12-06-2008, 09:30 AM

I agree that alot of players don't know how to play their given class as well as they could. For instance, I know most people I talk to never really go to forums like these to improve their play. I also know I have grouped with people who have very low spells for some freakin reason.BUTI will say that the Bruiser is a pretty tough class to master if one wants to be the "Best Heroic Tank". Case in point. I am somewhere in skill level between you all who can tank anything and those who are average. I would say I prolly know my class better than 80% of the Bruisers. However, I can't do what several of you can. Maybe someday it will happen. But if I did what Brannigan does, and chain pulled heroics in CoA, I wouldn't last too long. My health would drop very very fast. I can blow through CoA, but I can't count on being able to handle 3 to 4 ^^^ on me at once. My experience has been I die at that point.So, if some of you have alot of success, than share your tactics. Brannagin did the other day which was helpful. I would like to see what others are doing to make you "The Best Heroic" tank in the game.

Rayche

12-16-2008, 12:42 PM

Hey. I mostly solo, sometimes group and rarely tank with my Bruiser as an Alt, but I love the class with a passion.I used this setup to Main Tank Shard of Hate last night as a raid tank (My first time ever) and it worked awesome. Killed Demetrius Crane, Dreadlord D`Somni, Master P`Tasa and Ire/Malevolence just fine with this build. I'm wearing mostly stuff I found in instances, boots off pawbuster, no epic (Doomcoil's Baton and Twisted Club, nice tank weapons) and got server disco on the gatorscale sleeves. Other than that it's normal stuff. Was at 80% avoidance and 53% mit as the MT last night.Between Chi, Knockout Combo, Drag, Divide and Conq, Rescue... I was a happy guy. Yeah, people ripped some, but I usually got it right back. (I ran in offensive stance on trash and defensive on the nameds, except for Crane where I ran in with offensive stance on... got owned for that mistake.... that makes a huge difference.)Here's the AA setup I have that's just basically a toe to toe knockdown setup. I can solo the 82/83 heroics (Minus thenamed) in the Icy Keep and end around 75% health with this build, and hold aggro over most other classes.This is only 135 AA's so far.. I shudder to think what the Bruisers do with 180+.Wis 4/5/8 (For Crane Sweep and Flock)Int 4/4/8/8/1 (For Melee crit and Parry)Str 4/4/8/8/1 (For DA, Riposte and Chi)Knockouts Enhance: Stamp 5/5Enhance: Shoulder Charge 5/5Enhance: Intimidate 1/3Enhance: Haymaker 5/5Enhance: Sucker Punch 5/5Enhance: Knockout Combination 5/5Drag 1/1 (Nuther rescue type ability) Conditioning Enhance: Ignore Bruises 5/5Enhance: Indomitable Will 5/5Enhance: Bruising Spirit 5/5Enhance: Stone Deaf 5/5Enhance: Close Mind 3/5Retribution of Stone 1/1 (Stoneskin proc on riposte)Attention Enhance: Impose 5/5 (Group Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Brag 3/5 (ST Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Feign Death 5/5

Mogzilla

12-22-2008, 11:34 AM

<cite>Rayche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey. I mostly solo, sometimes group and rarely tank with my Bruiser as an Alt, but I love the class with a passion.I used this setup to Main Tank Shard of Hate last night as a raid tank (My first time ever) and it worked awesome. Killed Demetrius Crane, Dreadlord D`Somni, Master P`Tasa and Ire/Malevolence just fine with this build. I'm wearing mostly stuff I found in instances, boots off pawbuster, no epic (Doomcoil's Baton and Twisted Club, nice tank weapons) and got server disco on the gatorscale sleeves. Other than that it's normal stuff. Was at 80% avoidance and 53% mit as the MT last night.Between Chi, Knockout Combo, Drag, Divide and Conq, Rescue... I was a happy guy. Yeah, people ripped some, but I usually got it right back. (I ran in offensive stance on trash and defensive on the nameds, except for Crane where I ran in with offensive stance on... got owned for that mistake.... that makes a huge difference.)Here's the AA setup I have that's just basically a toe to toe knockdown setup. I can solo the 82/83 heroics (Minus thenamed) in the Icy Keep and end around 75% health with this build, and hold aggro over most other classes.This is only 135 AA's so far.. I shudder to think what the Bruisers do with 180+.Wis 4/5/8 (For Crane Sweep and Flock)Int 4/4/8/8/1 (For Melee crit and Parry) the end ability in int is worthless, who tanks with less then 30% health?Str 4/4/8/8/1 (For DA, Riposte and Chi) riposte is gone its increased deflection now4-4-8 agi4-4-8-6-2 str4-4-8 int4-4-5 wisfor tanking and dpsKnockouts Enhance: Stamp 5/5Enhance: Shoulder Charge 5/5Enhance: Intimidate 1/3Enhance: Haymaker 5/5Enhance: Sucker Punch 5/5Enhance: Knockout Combination 5/5Drag 1/1 (Nuther rescue type ability) Conditioning Enhance: Ignore Bruises 5/5Enhance: Indomitable Will 5/5 put these points in close mind & attention treeEnhance: Bruising Spirit 5/5 put these points in close mind and attention treeEnhance: Stone Deaf 5/5Enhance: Close Mind 3/5 um best ability we get in this tree besides heal and only 3 points?Retribution of Stone 1/1 (Stoneskin proc on riposte)Attention Enhance: Impose 5/5 (Group Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Brag 3/5 (ST Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Feign Death 5/5Finish out this tree and get control hate.</blockquote>

Rayche

01-02-2009, 03:29 PM

<cite>Mogzilla wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rayche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey. I mostly solo, sometimes group and rarely tank with my Bruiser as an Alt, but I love the class with a passion.I used this setup to Main Tank Shard of Hate last night as a raid tank (My first time ever) and it worked awesome. Killed Demetrius Crane, Dreadlord D`Somni, Master P`Tasa and Ire/Malevolence just fine with this build. I'm wearing mostly stuff I found in instances, boots off pawbuster, no epic (Doomcoil's Baton and Twisted Club, nice tank weapons) and got server disco on the gatorscale sleeves. Other than that it's normal stuff. Was at 80% avoidance and 53% mit as the MT last night.Between Chi, Knockout Combo, Drag, Divide and Conq, Rescue... I was a happy guy. Yeah, people ripped some, but I usually got it right back. (I ran in offensive stance on trash and defensive on the nameds, except for Crane where I ran in with offensive stance on... got owned for that mistake.... that makes a huge difference.)Here's the AA setup I have that's just basically a toe to toe knockdown setup. I can solo the 82/83 heroics (Minus thenamed) in the Icy Keep and end around 75% health with this build, and hold aggro over most other classes.This is only 135 AA's so far.. I shudder to think what the Bruisers do with 180+.Wis 4/5/8 (For Crane Sweep and Flock)Int 4/4/8/8/1 (For Melee crit and Parry) the end ability in int is worthless, who tanks with less then 30% health?Well, I spend a fair amount of my time dodging attacks, but when I don't, I find myself getting to 30% in two hits, if that additional mit allows me to survive the next attack and give the healers time then more power to them. It's working fine for me still.Str 4/4/8/8/1 (For DA, Riposte and Chi) riposte is gone its increased deflection nowI'll take deflection, although I do lament the lack of additional chance to trigger my stone skin.4-4-8 agi4-4-8-6-2 str4-4-8 int4-4-5 wisfor tanking and dpsKnockouts Enhance: Stamp 5/5Enhance: Shoulder Charge 5/5Enhance: Intimidate 1/3Enhance: Haymaker 5/5Enhance: Sucker Punch 5/5Enhance: Knockout Combination 5/5Drag 1/1 (Nuther rescue type ability) Conditioning Enhance: Ignore Bruises 5/5Enhance: Indomitable Will 5/5 put these points in close mind & attention treeNo thanks. I like the ability to strip impairments off myself when my priests are slow to the punch or stunned/stiffled/feared. I use it all the time and would put 10 points into it if I could.Enhance: Bruising Spirit 5/5 put these points in close mind and attention treeIncreasing my Mitigation for 3.5 minutes at a time is more valuable to me thanks.Enhance: Stone Deaf 5/5Enhance: Close Mind 3/5 um best ability we get in this tree besides heal and only 3 points?I love this ability, but I don't consider it our best ability. It doesn't offer the constant benefit that our other abilities do, and I don't find myself stiffled or stunned or feared more often than Indomitable will can fix typically.Retribution of Stone 1/1 (Stoneskin proc on riposte)Overall I don't share your love of the attention tree. I'm placing points into my taunts, but if I'm tanking in a raid, then control hate is worthless to me. I want aggro.Attention Enhance: Impose 5/5 (Group Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Brag 3/5 (ST Taunt resist/recast)Enhance: Feign Death 5/5Finish out this tree and get control hate.We as Bruisers have so many AA's and abilities to gain hate. Divide and Conq, Drag, Rescue. I'm not convinced that getting control hate would provide enough benefit to be worth spending 6 more points in this tree. If I found myself with hate problems I might entertain it, but my build is more well rounded I think and less one dimensional.</blockquote></blockquote>

Gilasil

01-04-2009, 03:34 AM

I understand that bruisers are fighters and therefore should be tanking. I understand that a comparably equipped, played, and buffed scout should out damage a bruiser. But even given all that, in my relatively casual groups I'm often called upon to dps. If I've been brought along specifically to dps for whatever reason then I should do my best to deliver the best dps I can. In fact, the people I play with frequently want me to dps (I often parse pretty high in our raid setups and above many dps toons). Sure, this isn't the kind of uber groupings some of the people posting here expect but they're there anyway.Therefore, there is a legitimite reason for a dps setup. Sure, I don't want to JUST have a dps setup. That's what AA mirrors are for and even my dps setup will have things besides pure dps (such as AA points into better intercede). Anyway, it's reasonable to ask for a good dps AA setup and I don't think there's need to belittle such a request. It is probably not reasonable to ONLY have a dps setup, but there are times when your primary job is to dps.

rosie01

01-07-2009, 06:47 PM

<cite>Aull wrote:</cite><blockquote>I had a 4,4,8,8,2 strgth, 4,4,8 agil, and 4,4,8,8,2 intel in my mirror that I have been running. So far I am pleased and once I can get more crit gear I will set my bruiser up on a wis, strgth, and agil set up. For now I just don't want to loose any crits since I am soloing mostly and this set up is doing fine. I also like the parry that comes with the intel line as well.I haven't had any time to really get involved in an tso instance yet but I am sure that experience will change my mind.</blockquote>Dear Sir, my husband and I are still learning about the ins and outs of the game etc.I recently rolled a bruiser, she is now 54. I am a heavy user of her 30 second defensive buffs before each encounter. Her DPS seems to be okay but I don't know for sure.Could you please explain to me what 4,4,8,8,2 st etc.... means? i know strenghth, agility, intelligence, but what do those numbers represent?What I am after with my bruiser is one that take hits and hit back even harder. I went down the haymaker tree on the bruiser side, and am working on the crane side on the brawler. She is up to crane twirl now I believe.Thank you for any insight on how I can accomplish my goal of a hard hitting, can take hits, bruiser.She is wearing dexterous scaled leather and using an imbued ironwood baton and imbued ebony?? claw.thanks for your time, patience and input. Forgot to mention. I am a dark elf.Rosie, of the family of Misties, Oasis server.

Dareena

01-07-2009, 07:36 PM

<cite>rosie01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you please explain to me what 4,4,8,8,2 st etc.... means? i know strenghth, agility, intelligence, but what do those numbers represent?</blockquote>When people type out a number sequence like that one you mention above, it tells you about how many points they invested into each ability. For example, the quote line talks about the Strength line. They put x4 pts in the Str increase, x4 pts into the combat art, x8 pts into the double attack, x8 pts in the deflection, and the x2 points that are neccessary to buy the final rank ability in an archetype (KoS expansion) AA tree.

rosie01

01-09-2009, 06:18 PM

<cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>rosie01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you please explain to me what 4,4,8,8,2 st etc.... means? i know strenghth, agility, intelligence, but what do those numbers represent?</blockquote>When people type out a number sequence like that one you mention above, it tells you about how many points they invested into each ability. For example, the quote line talks about the Strength line. They put x4 pts in the Str increase, x4 pts into the combat art, x8 pts into the double attack, x8 pts in the deflection, and the x2 points that are neccessary to buy the final rank ability in an archetype (KoS expansion) AA tree.</blockquote>thank you for your response LOL. I figured it out by the time i got home.I want to know my bruiser, understand her and how she works and what she can do. I rely very heavily on the forums to learn about a class that I am playing.Thank you to all for your help. I still don't understand or k now alot on how things work in this game, but am getting there. Took me forever to learn in the other game I played LOL.

peepshow

01-10-2009, 11:42 AM

<cite>Pnaxx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well...if your soloing you need your defence up and running too. But pure DPS should be STR Line with Chi, Wis Line, Int for Crits. Go light on all the defensive stuff and heavy on the hits. But just hope you don't get hit cause you will go down like a box of rocks.</blockquote>I dont really agree..If things should be "correct" it whould be.Str and Int for OffensiveSta and Wis for DefensiveAgi for a mix..Just my 2 cp..