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Paragone

11-21-2008, 12:29 PM

I am a little hesistant to ask this question but do we know how much time if any has passed for Norrath since EQ2's launch. If slim to no time has passed it just seems like a crazy concept to have all these world shattering events take place within a small period of time.

Apocroph

11-21-2008, 12:43 PM

I was trying to work that out myself a few weeks ago. I'd say easily 200 years. There's just no way all of this has transpired any quicker.

Rezikai

11-21-2008, 12:58 PM

Hmmm, actually I think its alot shorter. I'd say within 5-15 years. Reason being since launch to KoS ... you... the adventurer are still known for learning the draconic language and slaying Darathar, as per the pact with Nagafen.EoF gave little insight into a timeframe since, nor did RoK, they had insight to each others lore but didnt have Nagafen or anything really at all relating to the launch storyline. But I dont think much time has passed, since you are supposedly still in a deal with Naggy over the future events of what may come.

Cusashorn

11-21-2008, 12:59 PM

Over the summer, the reintroduction of Rodcet Nife gave us some dialogue that stated that it has been 2-3 years since the Gods have returned to Norrath.Other than that, there's no actual progression of time in the game except for past events being referenced in future expansions and stuff.For example, Neriak managed to rebuild the Ewer of Sul'Dae that we had destroyed, and now they have vampires roaming the streets.One of the Mistmyr's Manor zones has a trophy room with the Soulfire, Chelsith Stone, and some other artifacts that we have searched for up on display.

Mil

11-23-2008, 05:27 AM

EverQuest II launched in the year of 3721. Today when I loggged on it was Feastday, Schorchedsky 7, of the year 3803.That means 82 years (in game /time) has passed since start...<a href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/norrath_timeline">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/norrath_timeline</a>This also means, since I was born in 3075 (EQ live) I am 728 years old. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />(Milena doesn't know such a thing as a parallell universe...)

Cusashorn

11-23-2008, 10:02 AM

<cite>Mil wrote:</cite><blockquote>EverQuest II launched in the year of 3721. Today when I loggged on it was Feastday, Schorchedsky 7, of the year 3803.That means 82 years (in game /time) has passed since start...<a href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/norrath_timeline">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/wiki/norrath_timeline</a>This also means, since I was born in 3075 (EQ live) I am 728 years old. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />(Milena doesn't know such a thing as a parallell universe...)</blockquote>Every server has it's own time. Servers that were launched after the first ones can, and do, have times that predate 3721. That Wiki cannot be used as an absolute fact. In fact, I LOL at the site of Wiki because of how INaccurate it always is.Every *PLAYER* has thier own time. I have been told by other players that when it was, say... 1 PM for me, for other players it was 9PM or 3 AM, and each on different days and years.

Zutan

11-23-2008, 10:23 AM

Server time isnt the same thing at all..Only a handful of years have passed since EQ2 launch. Most of the 'events' took place before launch. All we've done since then is re-discover the lost lands.

ke'la

11-23-2008, 10:29 AM

The way I figure it each expainsion is about one Lore Year(give or take a few months, do to sugnifigant events that take places as part of LUs) as aposed to a Player's Season(level).

Mil

11-23-2008, 10:53 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Every server has it's own time. Servers that were launched after the first ones can, and do, have times that predate 3721. That Wiki cannot be used as an absolute fact.</blockquote>So... a good idea would be to say it has passed about 80 years. Some year more or less depending on server/player. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />

Apocroph

11-23-2008, 02:03 PM

<cite>Zutan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Server time isnt the same thing at all..Only a handful of years have passed since EQ2 launch. Most of the 'events' took place before launch. All we've done since then is re-discover the lost lands.</blockquote>We've done far more than just rediscover the lost lands. If all we'd accomplished was discovery, none of us would be carrying most, if not all, of the items we have on our persons.To suggest that five expansions worth of major story arcs have transpired in a handful of years is just preposterous.

Cusashorn

11-23-2008, 08:41 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>To suggest that five expansions worth of major story arcs have transpired in a handful of years is just preposterous.</blockquote>Again, the Rodcet Nife live events over the summer confirmed that the gods had only come back to Norrath 2 years ago (August 2006 to august 200<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

11-23-2008, 09:55 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zutan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Server time isnt the same thing at all..Only a handful of years have passed since EQ2 launch. Most of the 'events' took place before launch. All we've done since then is re-discover the lost lands.</blockquote>We've done far more than just rediscover the lost lands. If all we'd accomplished was discovery, none of us would be carrying most, if not all, of the items we have on our persons.To suggest that five expansions worth of major story arcs have transpired in a handful of years is just preposterous.</blockquote>We did not rediscover lost lands, OTHERS have. We go in after and follow the story from there, while others look for even more lost lands.As far as the amount of things that have happened... take a look at WW2, and all the "Major Story Arcs" that Accorred in the 6 years from the Invasion of Poland to the end of the War... far more then what we have seen in EQ2 thats for sure.Also remember, as far as the "Story Lines" go, we are just the puppets of more powerful people, those people have been building up to this point over a longer period of time we then come in at the climax and either stop or work with that indevisual.

troodon

11-23-2008, 10:08 PM

ke'la's right.

Apocroph

11-23-2008, 10:58 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>As far as the amount of things that have happened... take a look at WW2, and all the "Major Story Arcs" that Accorred in the 6 years from the Invasion of Poland to the end of the War... far more then what we have seen in EQ2 thats for sure.</blockquote>I'd be inclined to call WWII a single story arc, and there were many thousands of great adventurers responsible for those events.The very nature of MMOs dictates that each and every one of us is THE great adventurer and his party, responsible for the great accomplishments each expansion demands we make.Whether or not this is a fair comparison is debatable. What's not debatable is that it's stupid to have all of this unfolding in just a few short years. The likelihood of all of these epic events transpiring more or less at once, and a single small group of people being able to be at the heart of them all is well beyond the reach of reasonable.Edit: Missed a clause.

ke'la

11-24-2008, 02:00 AM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>As far as the amount of things that have happened... take a look at WW2, and all the "Major Story Arcs" that Accorred in the 6 years from the Invasion of Poland to the end of the War... far more then what we have seen in EQ2 thats for sure.</blockquote>I'd be inclined to call WWII a single story arc, and there were many thousands of great adventurers responsible for those events.The very nature of MMOs dictates that each and every one of us is THE great adventurer and his party, responsible for the great accomplishments each expansion demands we make.Whether or not this is a fair comparison is debatable. What's not debatable is that it's stupid to have all of this unfolding in just a few short years. The likelihood of all of these epic events transpiring more or less at once, and a single small group of people being able to be at the heart of them all is well beyond the reach of reasonable.Edit: Missed a clause.</blockquote>Why is it stupid? That accually is how history seems to work, brief periods "interesting times", and longer periods of relitivly peacful times. Also If you don't like WW2 try Alexander the Great, or heck look at LotR, that is just a Serries of events one after the other and it all takes place in less then a year... Alexander Concorded the Near East in just a few years as well.Also look at the "Storylines" really none of them are that Big as far as the story itself goes, the impact on Norath is big but the events really are not... I would consiter all of the Prismatic Serries about equivlent as far as "Story" goes with Bastone, and that is just one thing that happened to 1 group of "Adventurers".I mean in terms of things that happened durring for exsample Godking, and compair that to the things that happened to just the 101st in reguards to D-Day and the break-out, again I would call them both equil in terms of amount of story.Also we do know there are OTHER adventurers outthere working. That is why the NPCs refure to us as AN adventurer not THE adventurer, and alot of the "Leg work" leading upto the events we are apart of is done by NPCs not the Adventurers.

FreaklyCreak

11-24-2008, 09:15 AM

I wouldn't say that it's been more then 10-15 years and thats being generous. I'd personally just double the number if real life years, and say 8. (Not saying this can be used as a formula, it's just a guess)

Apocroph

11-24-2008, 12:22 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why is it stupid? That accually is how history seems to work, brief periods "interesting times", and longer periods of relitivly peacful times. Also If you don't like WW2 try Alexander the Great, or heck look at LotR, that is just a Serries of events one after the other and it all takes place in less then a year... Alexander Concorded the Near East in just a few years as well.Also look at the "Storylines" really none of them are that Big as far as the story itself goes, the impact on Norath is big but the events really are not... I would consiter all of the Prismatic Serries about equivlent as far as "Story" goes with Bastone, and that is just one thing that happened to 1 group of "Adventurers".I mean in terms of things that happened durring for exsample Godking, and compair that to the things that happened to just the 101st in reguards to D-Day and the break-out, again I would call them both equil in terms of amount of story.Also we do know there are OTHER adventurers outthere working. That is why the NPCs refure to us as AN adventurer not THE adventurer, and alot of the "Leg work" leading upto the events we are apart of is done by NPCs not the Adventurers.</blockquote>Because regardless of who did the discovering, you are still the adventurer tasked with gathering 20 drolvarg fangs, facing Trakanon, finding out what you can in the Void Pit, finding the eyes of Anashti Sul, completing the Trial of Sun Kai, killing Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Lord Vyemm and Talendor... you get the idea.Like I said, the very nature of MMOs dictates that each and every one of us is the great adventurer that defeated Soandso and recovered the Blahblahblah from the Dungeon of OMGness. That is the explanation we're given for every player being able to experience the entire game.There's just no way that all of those things could be done by one person, or one band of friends, in that kind of timeframe, and that's why I think it's stupid. I think 8 years, as Oakmiser had said, is getting toward being more reasonable for such a great number of accomplishments, but that's still pushing it.You can rationalize it with real world examples and diminish our role by acknowledging NPCs all you want, but we are still the ones fighting these great battles, and I just don't agree that we can be there for all of them if they're happening in such rapid succession.

ke'la

11-24-2008, 05:48 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why is it stupid? That accually is how history seems to work, brief periods "interesting times", and longer periods of relitivly peacful times. Also If you don't like WW2 try Alexander the Great, or heck look at LotR, that is just a Serries of events one after the other and it all takes place in less then a year... Alexander Concorded the Near East in just a few years as well.Also look at the "Storylines" really none of them are that Big as far as the story itself goes, the impact on Norath is big but the events really are not... I would consiter all of the Prismatic Serries about equivlent as far as "Story" goes with Bastone, and that is just one thing that happened to 1 group of "Adventurers".I mean in terms of things that happened durring for exsample Godking, and compair that to the things that happened to just the 101st in reguards to D-Day and the break-out, again I would call them both equil in terms of amount of story.Also we do know there are OTHER adventurers outthere working. That is why the NPCs refure to us as AN adventurer not THE adventurer, and alot of the "Leg work" leading upto the events we are apart of is done by NPCs not the Adventurers.</blockquote>Because regardless of who did the discovering, you are still the adventurer tasked with gathering 20 drolvarg fangs, facing Trakanon, finding out what you can in the Void Pit, finding the eyes of Anashti Sul, completing the Trial of Sun Kai, killing Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Lord Vyemm and Talendor... you get the idea.Like I said, the very nature of MMOs dictates that each and every one of us is the great adventurer that defeated Soandso and recovered the Blahblahblah from the Dungeon of OMGness. That is the explanation we're given for every player being able to experience the entire game.There's just no way that all of those things could be done by one person, or one band of friends, in that kind of timeframe, and that's why I think it's stupid. I think 8 years, as Oakmiser had said, is getting toward being more reasonable for such a great number of accomplishments, but that's still pushing it.You can rationalize it with real world examples and diminish our role by acknowledging NPCs all you want, but we are still the ones fighting these great battles, and I just don't agree that we can be there for all of them if they're happening in such rapid succession.</blockquote>The Eathernaught story was about 1 year, not counting the flashbacks... just from when the group got together to when they entered the void.As far as listing occoplishments In a short time period how is this, Securing the southern flank, Eliminate secondary beach defenses, Capture causeways, Seize the la Barquette Lock and destory a highway bridge NW of Carentan and a Railroad bridge even further west, and finally secure 2 bridge heads on the Douve River... All of this BEFORE DAWN, all done by the 101st... yeah I think in a few months one small group could do what you listed.<h2></h2>

Apocroph

11-24-2008, 07:38 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Eathernaught story was about 1 year, not counting the flashbacks... just from when the group got together to when they entered the void.As far as listing occoplishments In a short time period how is this, Securing the southern flank, Eliminate secondary beach defenses, Capture causeways, Seize the la Barquette Lock and destory a highway bridge NW of Carentan and a Railroad bridge even further west, and finally secure 2 bridge heads on the Douve River... All of this BEFORE DAWN, all done by the 101st... yeah I think in a few months one small group could do what you listed.</blockquote>Ok, if you wanna get down to nitty gritty, we'll get down to nitty gritty.Firstly, all of the events of EoF and RoK transpiring within 2-3 years would require instantaneously ascertaining the threats, figuring out how to defeat the major players, and then actually defeating them. To put that in perspective for you, here's the math:One Norrath day is 72 Earth minutes. That means every Earth day, 20 Norrath days pass. For the purposes of this example, we'll say it's been three years since the gods returned with the start of the EoF timeline, and we'll assume a Norrathian year is 365 days like Earth.3 years x 365 days per year = 1095 days1095 days / 20 Norrath days per Earth day = 54 days, 18 hours Earth timeNot quite two months time in the real world. Were either of those expansions cleared in two months time? Possible, but certainly not both. It takes time to learn of the threat, it takes time to travel to the threat, it takes time to strategize, it takes time to execute, and it takes time to repeat the process for the next threat.What's being suggested by this timeframe is that one regiment could win both world wars in two months. Right. Real likely. Erring on the low side and saying two Norrath years since the return of the gods cuts it down to 36d12h Earth time, which doesn't make it any more plausible.The only thing unaccounted for in this is the actual length of a Norrathian year, and it would have to be longer than an Earth year to have any hope of adding credibility to the 2-3 year figure.

ke'la

11-24-2008, 09:46 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Eathernaught story was about 1 year, not counting the flashbacks... just from when the group got together to when they entered the void.As far as listing occoplishments In a short time period how is this, Securing the southern flank, Eliminate secondary beach defenses, Capture causeways, Seize the la Barquette Lock and destory a highway bridge NW of Carentan and a Railroad bridge even further west, and finally secure 2 bridge heads on the Douve River... All of this BEFORE DAWN, all done by the 101st... yeah I think in a few months one small group could do what you listed.</blockquote>Ok, if you wanna get down to nitty gritty, we'll get down to nitty gritty.Firstly, all of the events of EoF and RoK transpiring within 2-3 years would require instantaneously ascertaining the threats, figuring out how to defeat the major players, and then actually defeating them. To put that in perspective for you, here's the math:One Norrath day is 72 Earth minutes. That means every Earth day, 20 Norrath days pass. For the purposes of this example, we'll say it's been three years since the gods returned with the start of the EoF timeline, and we'll assume a Norrathian year is 365 days like Earth.3 years x 365 days per year = 1095 days1095 days / 20 Norrath days per Earth day = 54 days, 18 hours Earth timeAs amatter of fact I think the "First Kills" of both end game mobs did happen in about 2 months, if you remove the artifical delays between parts of the SoD questline. Also I do believe the RoK threat was "asertained" prior to it's launch, namly the rise of the Kunark empire, and again they didn't have to decover it themself, nor watch the build up both of wich take FAR more time then when the fight hits climax.Not quite two months time in the real world. Were either of those expansions cleared in two months time? Possible, but certainly not both. It takes time to learn of the threat, it takes time to travel to the threat, it takes time to strategize, it takes time to execute, and it takes time to repeat the process for the next threat.What's being suggested by this timeframe is that one regiment could win both world wars in two months. Right. Real likely. Erring on the low side and saying two Norrath years since the return of the gods cuts it down to 36d12h Earth time, which doesn't make it any more plausible.Again the build up to the major events already took place in most of these stories befor the adventurers showed up to help. Kinda like how the US showed up and "Won" WW1.The only thing unaccounted for in this is the actual length of a Norrathian year, and it would have to be longer than an Earth year to have any hope of adding credibility to the 2-3 year figure.</blockquote>

Cusashorn

11-25-2008, 01:18 AM

If the NPCs in the game state that it has been 2 years since the Gods have returned to Norrath (effectively covering from the launch of Faydwere to the launch of TSO,) what makes you people think that more time has passed between Shattered Lands and Faydwere?

Apocroph

11-25-2008, 02:55 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>If the NPCs in the game state that it has been 2 years since the Gods have returned to Norrath (effectively covering from the launch of Faydwere to the launch of TSO,) what makes you people think that more time has passed between Shattered Lands and Faydwere?</blockquote>Pretty sure I've covered that a few times. I find it to be well beyond the limits of the concept of "suspension of disbelief" unless the Norrathian year is vastly longer than an Earth year. Argue all you want, you won't convince me that it's not stupid to think all of those events could unfold in that short a timeframe with us at the center of them.

Vanisher123

11-25-2008, 12:01 PM

The time passed can't be near 82 years, some of the player races don't live much longer and some people have charcters that are already "old", so those that started at the start of eq2 should be dead now by that timeline.

Noaani

11-25-2008, 12:55 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>One Norrath day is 72 Earth minutes. That means every Earth day, 20 Norrath days pass. For the purposes of this example, we'll say it's been three years since the gods returned with the start of the EoF timeline, and we'll assume a Norrathian year is 365 days like Earth.</blockquote>Your mixing game mechanics with lore here. Stop it.This comment holds about as much weight as saying that the Direvine Matron is more powerful than Darathar, because it is a higher level.

Xalmat

11-25-2008, 02:25 PM

Apocroph

11-25-2008, 04:31 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>One Norrath day is 72 Earth minutes. That means every Earth day, 20 Norrath days pass. For the purposes of this example, we'll say it's been three years since the gods returned with the start of the EoF timeline, and we'll assume a Norrathian year is 365 days like Earth.</blockquote>Your mixing game mechanics with lore here. Stop it.This comment holds about as much weight as saying that the Direvine Matron is more powerful than Darathar, because it is a higher level.</blockquote>No, what I did was compare game time and real time for the purposes of making an example, and it's perfectly valid. Something happening in 20 days on Norrath is like something happening in 1 day on Earth. If you're going to use that excuse, then time on Norrath is entirely arbitrary and we have no way of knowing how fast anything passes, which would preclude you from, say, knowing when to come back to Minty Frostbeard for your boots in the Dwarven Work Boots heritage quest.Game mechanics and lore were mixed long before I drew my comparison.

Apocroph

11-25-2008, 04:34 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>If the NPCs in the game state that it has been 2 years since the Gods have returned to Norrath (effectively covering from the launch of Faydwere to the launch of TSO,) what makes you people think that more time has passed between Shattered Lands and Faydwere?</blockquote>/agree</blockquote>And y'know what, if that's what they're going to stick to, fine.The way I see it, this is no less contrived than the time-traveling Miragul explanation for Roadyle. Is it official because it's been mentioned in game? Yep. Does that make it any less stilted? Nope. Am I completely entitled to feel that way? You bet your hide.

Paragone

11-26-2008, 12:48 PM

Geeze and here I thought we could just have a friendly discussion and respect everyones viewpoints.

ke'la

11-26-2008, 10:27 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>One Norrath day is 72 Earth minutes. That means every Earth day, 20 Norrath days pass. For the purposes of this example, we'll say it's been three years since the gods returned with the start of the EoF timeline, and we'll assume a Norrathian year is 365 days like Earth.</blockquote>Your mixing game mechanics with lore here. Stop it.This comment holds about as much weight as saying that the Direvine Matron is more powerful than Darathar, because it is a higher level.</blockquote>No, what I did was compare game time and real time for the purposes of making an example, and it's perfectly valid. Something happening in 20 days on Norrath is like something happening in 1 day on Earth. If you're going to use that excuse, then time on Norrath is entirely arbitrary and we have no way of knowing how fast anything passes, which would preclude you from, say, knowing when to come back to Minty Frostbeard for your boots in the Dwarven Work Boots heritage quest.Game mechanics and lore were mixed long before I drew my comparison.</blockquote>Lore ALWAYS takes a back seat to game mechanics, that is why you can't go by them and thier time frames for perposes of "lore". Otherwise, like others have said Varsoon, one of the most powerful mages on Norath is weaker then a Fish from Kunark. Is the mechanics time arbitrary you bet your sweet bibby it is. It has NO barring what so ever on the "Passage of time" Lorewise.Here are some markers to let you know the LORE passage of time. There are certain events that happen once a year EVERY year on Norath, they are Days of the Dead, Frostfell, and a few others... There have been 3 Frostfells we are going on our 4th. That alone would date the total amount of time passed as 4 years.

Vanisher123

11-26-2008, 10:44 PM

Wow when i logged in it swtiched forums on me >.< ignore this