Center of the Chelsith Stone.. Zarrakon? [Archive]

Apocroph

11-20-2008, 10:53 AM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>How is it so hard to believe? It's a dragon of amazing significance.. we just don't know how so yet.I think it's perfectly possible, and the symbol is almost identical to a top view of his head</blockquote>Because every time somebody first sees a new dragon, that's what they think. That symbol has "definitely" been Veeshan and Kerafyrm before as well.There's no more reason to suspect it's Zarrakon than there was to suspect it was Veeshan or Kerafyrm. There's actually less if you take into consideration that we already know Veeshan and Kerafyrm to be/have been major figures in Norrath's history. We know little to nothing of Zarrakon thus far.

Illine

11-20-2008, 11:25 AM

who is Zarrakon anyway?is there a lore about him? do we know anything?

Cusashorn

11-20-2008, 12:06 PM

Well, as I mentioned, I heard during TSO beta that Zarrakon is a Dragon Vampire (Vampire dragon?) and is Mistmoore's Pet. He's supposedly guarding an even greater being or force that is stronger than him.

Apocroph

11-20-2008, 12:13 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, as I mentioned, I heard during TSO beta that Zarrakon is a Dragon Vampire (Vampire dragon?) and is Mistmoore's Pet. He's supposedly guarding an even greater being or force that is stronger than him.</blockquote>If he's guarding something, I'd say a reasonable bet would be whatever Mayong has found of the Monoliths of Theer.If he's guarding someone, it's anyone's guess. There's abundant suspicion that Mayong is Roadyle; maybe Zarrakon is guarding the proof. I'd have to say, if word got out that Mayong was Roadyle in ages past, he might have need for a sturdy guard dog.

Illine

11-20-2008, 01:19 PM

funny, mayong is T7 while Zarrakon is T8 ... how come the pet is stronger than the master? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />maybe it has something to do with the ethernauts ... we'll see one day <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and maybe we won't know <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Themaginator

11-20-2008, 02:07 PM

<cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>funny, mayong is T7 while Zarrakon is T8 ... how come the pet is stronger than the master? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />maybe it has something to do with the ethernauts ... we'll see one day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> and maybe we won't know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Level has nothing to do with strength in the lore!

Apocroph

11-20-2008, 03:32 PM

<cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Level has nothing to do with strength in the lore!</blockquote>Quoted for emphasis.Don't confuse level with power.

Maergoth

11-20-2008, 05:23 PM

Erm, I apologize to myself for derailing my own thread.. but she saw Trakanon when she touched Roadyle.. I thought he was Trakanon?Also, Zarrakon's horns are definitely the most resembling thing to that picture. Everything else was just jabs at the possibility that, as significant as dragons are, a major one might be at the center of Norrath's fate.

Apocroph

11-20-2008, 05:58 PM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also, Zarrakon's horns are definitely the most resembling thing to that picture. Everything else was just jabs at the possibility that, as significant as dragons are, a major one might be at the center of Norrath's fate.</blockquote>That much is definitely true, and it's easily the best support for the idea. The problem that lingers for me about this is the fact that until now, we've heard nothing of Zarrakon, and this theory makes him the central point of the Chelsith stone. Stranger things have happened, I know, but it seems far-fetched for this previously unknown dragon being important enough to figure so prominently in the Shissar's predictions.I could see it if there was some great dragon that vanished mysteriously from history, but all of the dragons that command such power are accounted for. I'm reminded of the thread where Vhalen gave us a list of answers to cover 19 or so questions, and one of them dealt with someone not being who or what they seem to be... I wonder if maybe there's someone we know that happens to be hiding something.Ideas that spring immediately to mind for me:-Zarrakon is a reanimated dragon we've known by another name-Zarrakon is the Drafling's dragon form-Zarrakon is Mayong Mistmoore is RoadyleCould be anything, really. It just seems unlikely to me that Zarrakon would play such a large part and yet be completely unknown to us until now. If he's such a significant entity in his own right, I'd expect him to have popped up somewhere else in history. If he's just the guard of such a significant entity, then the cigar is just a cigar.

Maergoth

11-20-2008, 08:23 PM

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Lodrelhai

11-20-2008, 09:06 PM

<cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>funny, mayong is T7 while Zarrakon is T8 ... how come the pet is stronger than the master? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />maybe it has something to do with the ethernauts ... we'll see one day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> and maybe we won't know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Level has nothing to do with strength in the lore!</blockquote>Besides, when was the last time you tried to go one-on-one with a rottweiler? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />As far as Zarrakon being unknown until now, Anashti Sul was unknown before DoF, and only a mentioned myth until the build-up this year to the expansion. Granted, if Zarrakon IS represented at the center of the Chelsith Stone, I'd expect some lore build-up for him, either before he was introduced or in some quest series that leads to him. It's entirely possible the lore is there, but inaccessible in beta - no one knew about the Chelsith Stone until months after RoK either.Short version, I doubt it, but I'm willing to keep an open mind. Though if this is another lore series which is completely buried in raiding, I am going to be severely ticked off. Honestly folks, when was the last time you were in a raid that you had time to investigate the cool stuff you were looking at or could pause to listen to the NPCs chatter before you tried to kill them? Raiding has got to be the WORST place for Lore information in the game.

Maergoth

11-20-2008, 10:02 PM

The strongest of creatures keep the most dire of secrets.. Raiders have always shared what they have learned, and I do think plenty should be left in their hands.

Cusashorn

11-20-2008, 10:52 PM

Just remember that the Chelsith stone fortold of the destruction of Norrath by the hands of the Void, and Mayong told us that it would be happening very soon.Well, it's happening NOW, and Anashti Sul and the rest of the Void are the cause of it. Now that we're fighting the Void, the prophecies written on the Chelsith Stone no longer hold any value, as we know that we have successfully averted Norrath's destruction.I don't think a vampire dragon that Mistmoore keeps as a pet would be the ultimate evil in this expansion..

Apocroph

11-21-2008, 02:16 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think a vampire dragon that Mistmoore keeps as a pet would be the ultimate evil in this expansion..</blockquote>Which is why I'm [Removed for Content] off that Anashti is only third on the difficulty ladder.This is about her invading the world. Why are Mayong's pet and the Troll warlord that she has corrupted higher in the pecking order?

Apocroph

11-21-2008, 02:47 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>As far as Zarrakon being unknown until now, Anashti Sul was unknown before DoF, and only a mentioned myth until the build-up this year to the expansion. Granted, if Zarrakon IS represented at the center of the Chelsith Stone, I'd expect some lore build-up for him, either before he was introduced or in some quest series that leads to him. It's entirely possible the lore is there, but inaccessible in beta - no one knew about the Chelsith Stone until months after RoK either.</blockquote>Anashti Sul wasn't known until DoF, yes. She was sentenced to non-existence by the rest of the Pantheon. I think that's a more than solid alibi for her "sudden" appearance.The Chelsith Stone is new, yes. However, the symbols on it have been around and speculated upon since EQlive, so the entire concept isn't that new.Like I said before, I think it extremely unlikely that the new kid on the block is that important unless he really isn't the NEW kid on the block. If he's not someone the world has encountered in the past, then it's my opinion that he's nothing more than the guard for someone or something much more powerful.Let's think about the implications of that being true. Zarrakon is Mayong Mistmoore's pet. Mayong Mistmoore subjugated this thing. If this dragon is the central figure on the Chelsith Stone and Mayong made it his guard dog, then Mayong Mistmoore is in control of our destiny. Mayong controls the most important aspect of the Shissar prophecy. What fight could Anashti hope to put up against the man with his finger on the trigger?

Illine

11-21-2008, 06:22 AM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also, Zarrakon's horns are definitely the most resembling thing to that picture. Everything else was just jabs at the possibility that, as significant as dragons are, a major one might be at the center of Norrath's fate.</blockquote>That much is definitely true, and it's easily the best support for the idea. The problem that lingers for me about this is the fact that until now, we've heard nothing of Zarrakon, and this theory makes him the central point of the Chelsith stone. Stranger things have happened, I know, but it seems far-fetched for this previously unknown dragon being important enough to figure so prominently in the Shissar's predictions.I could see it if there was some great dragon that vanished mysteriously from history, but all of the dragons that command such power are accounted for. I'm reminded of the thread where Vhalen gave us a list of answers to cover 19 or so questions, and one of them dealt with someone not being who or what they seem to be... I wonder if maybe there's someone we know that happens to be hiding something.Ideas that spring immediately to mind for me:-Zarrakon is a reanimated dragon we've known by another name-Zarrakon is the Drafling's dragon form-Zarrakon is Mayong Mistmoore is RoadyleCould be anything, really. It just seems unlikely to me that Zarrakon would play such a large part and yet be completely unknown to us until now. If he's such a significant entity in his own right, I'd expect him to have popped up somewhere else in history. If he's just the guard of such a significant entity, then the cigar is just a cigar.</blockquote>not necessarily.I mean, he's powerfull but if he keeps something important and secret maybe the goal was to make him disappear.maybe like a book I read ... a spell that shows someone dead when he's not and nobody can remember how that person looked like.Maybe Zarrakon had another name and pretend to be dead while keeping it. And nobody knows it coz he hid himself and his secret. Being powerfull doesn't mean being known.Like you can be a powerfull wizard and hide in your tower in the middle of nowhere .... if you don't annoy anybody, and keep it quite, nodoby except wandering adventurers will find you.sure he looks like the dragon in the chelsith stone, but as long as we don't know more, we can only make suppositions.it was like people were talking about Luclin and moon changing, which meant the expension was about luclin or drinal ... but false. people want to believe, so they find things and if they see a little sign they can't stop making all kinds of theories.anyway, time will tell if there is a lore behind him.

Illine

11-21-2008, 07:04 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>funny, mayong is T7 while Zarrakon is T8 ... how come the pet is stronger than the master? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />maybe it has something to do with the ethernauts ... we'll see one day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> and maybe we won't know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Level has nothing to do with strength in the lore!</blockquote>Besides, when was the last time you tried to go one-on-one with a rottweiler? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>big difference between a rotweiller and a dragon <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.a rotweiller is a dog and is "stupid" ... it's just an animal ... a dragon is a powerfull being. very arrogant and powerfull and very intelligent, it's not an animal. And a dragon being the guard dog a mayong is quite strange, how have mayong done to make him that way?

Apocroph

11-21-2008, 01:07 PM

<cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>not necessarily.I mean, he's powerfull but if he keeps something important and secret maybe the goal was to make him disappear.maybe like a book I read ... a spell that shows someone dead when he's not and nobody can remember how that person looked like.Maybe Zarrakon had another name and pretend to be dead while keeping it. And nobody knows it coz he hid himself and his secret. Being powerfull doesn't mean being known.Like you can be a powerfull wizard and hide in your tower in the middle of nowhere .... if you don't annoy anybody, and keep it quite, nodoby except wandering adventurers will find you.sure he looks like the dragon in the chelsith stone, but as long as we don't know more, we can only make suppositions.it was like people were talking about Luclin and moon changing, which meant the expension was about luclin or drinal ... but false. people want to believe, so they find things and if they see a little sign they can't stop making all kinds of theories.anyway, time will tell if there is a lore behind him.</blockquote>...and I'd refer you to what I said in my next post.Let's think about the implications of that being true. Zarrakon is Mayong Mistmoore's pet. Mayong Mistmoore subjugated this thing. If this dragon is the central figure on the Chelsith Stone and Mayong made it his guard dog, then Mayong Mistmoore is in control of our destiny. Mayong controls the most important aspect of the Shissar prophecy. What fight could Anashti hope to put up against the man with his finger on the trigger?Do you really mean to tell me you think Mayong has domesticated the future of Norrath? If he has the power to subdue such an important entity, then he really doesn't need us for anything. So he's either commanding Norrath's destiny and doesn't need us, or he's in league with the Void and we're really in a jam.I'd be inclined to think that if Zarrakon really is the center symbol, we can pretty much assume that Mayong ascended to godhood in our timeline as well. Nothing short of a divine act could wrangle someone that powerful, as far as I'm concerned.This still feels like too much of a reach for me. I expect there's a surprise waiting for us.

goldfeesh641

11-22-2008, 11:33 PM

Well, it occurs to me that Zarrakon may be related somehow to Tarinax, or that we haven't seen the last of Tarinax. We know that the Tarinax in Deathtoll is NOT the soul of Tarinax, but simply his reanimated body set to guard Kerafyrm's treasures (something mentioned by Vhalen, I'll try and look up the link later). Anyway, we also know that an "orc" leader named Tarinax (not a very orc'ish name, eh?) was lost in the OoLS. So, we know that there is A Tarinax somewhere in the void, we also know that the spirit of the dragon Tarinax is MIA. It could be in Deathtoll, but it could also be in the Void, seeing as how dragons can shift forms easily.Just my 2 pence, wondering what others think of the possibility (or simply the possibility that we haven't seen the last of Tarinax).

BleemTeam

11-25-2008, 12:50 PM

I am almost sure, that when Mayong was in the demi-plane of blood that he made/obtained Zarrakon.Not sure where I read it, or saw it or heard it... and I know I'm [Removed for Content] a LOT of people off by claiming that. But I really thats thats the case.As for raiding goes... Pretty sure Zarrakon isn't the boss of the xpac. Ykesha isn't either. In Beta, we got to mess around with Anashti Sul 88x4... in Sinking Sands. Spawns sorta near Meathooks. She's the boss.

Apocroph

11-25-2008, 04:54 PM

<cite>BleemTeam wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am almost sure, that when Mayong was in the demi-plane of blood that he made/obtained Zarrakon.Not sure where I read it, or saw it or heard it... and I know I'm [Removed for Content] a LOT of people off by claiming that. But I really thats thats the case.</blockquote>This doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything, but I couldn't find any references to Mayong having any dealings with dragons during his brief run as a demi-god. His time was dominated by mortals and Solusek Ro.But like I said before, Mayong subjugating a dragon of such immense power really does make one think twice about if he's ascended in our timeline too.

Banditman

11-26-2008, 01:11 PM

<cite>BleemTeam wrote:</cite><blockquote>As for raiding goes... Pretty sure Zarrakon isn't the boss of the xpac. Ykesha isn't either. In Beta, we got to mess around with Anashti Sul 88x4... in Sinking Sands. Spawns sorta near Meathooks. She's the boss.</blockquote>That was her avatar I think. Once she is unlocked for worship on each server, her Avatar should join the "evil" avatars rotation and spawn. It would only make sense for it to spawn in Sinking Sands, since the Fountain of Life is located beneath it.

Cusashorn

11-26-2008, 03:06 PM

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BleemTeam wrote:</cite><blockquote>As for raiding goes... Pretty sure Zarrakon isn't the boss of the xpac. Ykesha isn't either. In Beta, we got to mess around with Anashti Sul 88x4... in Sinking Sands. Spawns sorta near Meathooks. She's the boss.</blockquote>That was her avatar I think. Once she is unlocked for worship on each server, her Avatar should join the "evil" avatars rotation and spawn. It would only make sense for it to spawn in Sinking Sands, since the Fountain of Life is located beneath it.</blockquote>Aye. Anashti Sul's avatar spawns in Sinking Sands. I just saw The Tribunal avatars (there are 6 of them) up in the ice flows of Everfrost. They're 88x4 too. I see the Avatar of Disease up in Antonica all the time, and he's 88x4 as well.I'm certain that the Palace of the Forgotten One is the final boss zone of the expansion.

Apocroph

11-26-2008, 05:27 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BleemTeam wrote:</cite><blockquote>As for raiding goes... Pretty sure Zarrakon isn't the boss of the xpac. Ykesha isn't either. In Beta, we got to mess around with Anashti Sul 88x4... in Sinking Sands. Spawns sorta near Meathooks. She's the boss.</blockquote>That was her avatar I think. Once she is unlocked for worship on each server, her Avatar should join the "evil" avatars rotation and spawn. It would only make sense for it to spawn in Sinking Sands, since the Fountain of Life is located beneath it.</blockquote>Aye. Anashti Sul's avatar spawns in Sinking Sands. I just saw The Tribunal avatars (there are 6 of them) up in the ice flows of Everfrost. They're 88x4 too. I see the Avatar of Disease up in Antonica all the time, and he's 88x4 as well.I'm certain that the Palace of the Forgotten One is the final boss zone of the expansion.</blockquote>Meant to be, at least.

Vanisher123

11-26-2008, 10:47 PM

Question on the vampiric dragon....What does it feed on since if it bites a normal thing (I.E. us...) it would pretty much swallow it whole?

BleemTeam

11-27-2008, 07:04 AM

On beta she wasn't an avatar... just Anashti Sul... -every Avatar- that I've killed is called "Avatar of Blank".Not, lore, but just saying. I was lead to believe in beta that doing a long drawn out quest (first time per server) her prophet would arise and begin her Diety timeline. Having said that... I thought going and helping the Ethernauts kill Varsoon and Anashti Sul would be that long immense questline. Apparently, it's not. Unless it's bugged.Check eq2players... I have the WW disco on the questline if you need proof that it's been done... last week even.

ke'la

11-27-2008, 07:47 AM

When has the Final Boss of an expainsion been in a single zone all by him self? I seriously Doupt Zarrakon is the final boss. I personally think he is a creature made or subjegated by Mistmoore in his Demi-God stage. I mean look at it... It looks like some of Mistmoore's Experiments, and it is standing over a Pool of Blood.

Apocroph

11-27-2008, 01:08 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>When has the Final Boss of an expainsion been in a single zone all by him self? I seriously Doupt Zarrakon is the final boss. I personally think he is a creature made or subjegated by Mistmoore in his Demi-God stage. I mean look at it... It looks like some of Mistmoore's Experiments, and it is standing over a Pool of Blood.</blockquote>I think what's even more convincing than that is the fact that his title is <Abyssal Creation>. This thing was created, or possibly transformed, by someone more powerful than him. I can't see any decent reason for anyone wanting to give up such a wonderful pet, so I'm going to assume that Mayong is responsible for him, and that --like I've said before-- really does seem to support Mayong having ascended in our timeline as well.

ke'la

11-27-2008, 05:42 PM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>When has the Final Boss of an expainsion been in a single zone all by him self? I seriously Doupt Zarrakon is the final boss. I personally think he is a creature made or subjegated by Mistmoore in his Demi-God stage. I mean look at it... It looks like some of Mistmoore's Experiments, and it is standing over a Pool of Blood.</blockquote>I think what's even more convincing than that is the fact that his title is . This thing was created, or possibly transformed, by someone more powerful than him. I can't see any decent reason for anyone wanting to give up such a wonderful pet, so I'm going to assume that Mayong is responsible for him, and that --like I've said before-- really does seem to support Mayong having ascended in our timeline as well.</blockquote>I forgot about that title, funny thing is it was his title that first made me think Mayong created him.

Felshades

11-27-2008, 06:51 PM

[Removed for Content] is Roadyle?

Cusashorn

11-27-2008, 09:47 PM

Haven't you read any of the numerous prologue stories to this expansion? Roadyle is Miragul in disguise, who traveled back through time and took on the persona of a high elf. This was back before Erudites even existed. He was curious in Asharae's Scryona, as he is interested in all things magic.

Maergoth

11-27-2008, 11:17 PM

Well think about it for a second.. the shadowed men have been looking for a dragon to possess.Mayong created one and probably knew better than to "Turn it on"Also keep in mind..Powermonger T'lon or whatever in Ravenscale Repository is a shadowed man.2 and 2 together.. maybe mayong's creation wasn't as resistant as a real dragon <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Felshades

11-28-2008, 12:23 AM

no i havent cusa, because i dont like the cryptic 'read between the lines' way the stories are written in game.i want it spelled out to me in plain english. lol.

Apocroph

11-28-2008, 01:27 AM

<cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>no i havent cusa, because i dont like the cryptic 'read between the lines' way the stories are written in game.i want it spelled out to me in plain english. lol.</blockquote>Miragul spelled it out pretty clearly. There is absolutely no ambiguity when the author of the book is Miragul, and he talks about his time with the Ethernauts, parading as the high elf.There was exactly one high elven Ethernaut, and Miragul is telling us himself that he was that high elven Ethernaut.2, meet 2. Together, you are 4.

Apocroph

11-28-2008, 01:29 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>I forgot about that title, funny thing is it was his title that first made me think Mayong created him.</blockquote>However this end up playing out, it'll be interesting. That much is certain.The escalation of Mayong's powers is very interesting.

Felshades

11-28-2008, 01:53 AM

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>no i havent cusa, because i dont like the cryptic 'read between the lines' way the stories are written in game.i want it spelled out to me in plain english. lol.</blockquote>Miragul spelled it out pretty clearly. There is absolutely no ambiguity when the author of the book is Miragul, and he talks about his time with the Ethernauts, parading as the high elf.There was exactly one high elven Ethernaut, and Miragul is telling us himself that he was that high elven Ethernaut.2, meet 2. Together, you are 4.</blockquote>i read the book i got from the quest in scion.. and it implied to me that miragul was erudite.that said, i prefer encyclopedia format for my lore.<a href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info...index.xml </a> this is what i have in mind. note, its not finished yet, but a good start. thats the official webpage, btw.i'd rather not read it in epic tale form.

Cusashorn

11-28-2008, 12:55 PM

<cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>no i havent cusa, because i dont like the cryptic 'read between the lines' way the stories are written in game.i want it spelled out to me in plain english. lol.</blockquote>Miragul spelled it out pretty clearly. There is absolutely no ambiguity when the author of the book is Miragul, and he talks about his time with the Ethernauts, parading as the high elf.There was exactly one high elven Ethernaut, and Miragul is telling us himself that he was that high elven Ethernaut.2, meet 2. Together, you are 4.</blockquote>i read the book i got from the quest in scion.. and it implied to me that miragul was erudite.that said, i prefer encyclopedia format for my lore.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml " target="_blank">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info...index.xml </a> this is what i have in mind. note, its not finished yet, but a good start. thats the official webpage, btw.i'd rather not read it in epic tale form.</blockquote>Miragul is a master of all 4 major schools of magic. Taking on the apperance of a high elf is child's play to him.

Apocroph

11-28-2008, 03:01 PM

<cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>i read the book i got from the quest in scion.. and it implied to me that miragul was erudite.that said, i prefer encyclopedia format for my lore.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml " target="_blank">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info...index.xml </a> this is what i have in mind. note, its not finished yet, but a good start. thats the official webpage, btw.i'd rather not read it in epic tale form.</blockquote>There are encyclopedia-style resources out there, but don't expect to understand entirely if you don't want to put in the effort to read. There's a reason those of us that are in the know are in the know. Complex relational tables and clues to unravel other mysteries aren't included in reader's digest type publications.As Cusa said, Miragul was a master of all four schools of magic. He was, in fact, an Erudite. It's known that on numerous occasions, he would masquerade as other races for the purposes of advancing his quest for knowledge. One such occasion, as explained in book from Scion, is his time spent as an Ethernaut in the guise of Roadyle, a high elf.There are other threads about Miragul and his escapades though, so let's not derail Zarrakon any further.

DrkVsr

12-01-2008, 06:49 AM

And the reason there are encyclopedia-style resources is because people (like Cusa) took the time to learn it 'the hard way' and post it for idiots and the lazy(still think Cusa is a know-it-all creep, but appreciate the effort she puts in to know-it-all, just wish she learnt how to better express her knowledge at times <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

Daine

12-06-2008, 05:10 AM

I was lead to believe on beta that when somebody on a server defeated the last boss of Palace of the Ancient One, that would unlock Anashti's quest line for the server. As for the Avatar thing, I'm not sure if she's now labeled as an avatar or not, but I have serious doubts that the 'lore' boss of an expansion would be contested. I think it's just an avatar though because if it is Anashti why isn't she going on a rampage and destroying Norrath instead of calmly standing in the Sinking Sands? I guess it's possible that she's so weak that she can't roam far from the Fountain of Life or something like that...but it seems like a weak excuse. I hope it's just an Avatar, especially since the Signature quest banishes her back to the Void <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Noaani

12-06-2008, 03:19 PM

<cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>i read the book i got from the quest in scion.. and it implied to me that miragul was erudite.that said, i prefer encyclopedia format for my lore.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml " target="_blank">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info...index.xml </a> this is what i have in mind. note, its not finished yet, but a good start. thats the official webpage, btw.i'd rather not read it in epic tale form.</blockquote>That sort of thing works just fine for the realitivly straight forward lore of a game such as World of Warcraft, but would fail in a more complex, inter-related lore such as Everquest.

Lethe5683

12-06-2008, 05:38 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meridia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>i read the book i got from the quest in scion.. and it implied to me that miragul was erudite.that said, i prefer encyclopedia format for my lore.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml " target="_blank">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info...index.xml </a> this is what i have in mind. note, its not finished yet, but a good start. thats the official webpage, btw.i'd rather not read it in epic tale form.</blockquote>That sort of thing works just fine for the realitivly straight forward lore of a game such as World of Warcraft, but would fail in a more complex, inter-related lore such as Everquest.</blockquote>I got this. lol <img src="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/shared/wow-com/images/animations/peon-headscratch.gif" width="42" height="60" />

Cusashorn

12-07-2008, 01:09 AM

<cite>BleemTeam wrote:</cite><blockquote>On beta she wasn't an avatar... just Anashti Sul... -every Avatar- that I've killed is called "Avatar of Blank".Not, lore, but just saying. I was lead to believe in beta that doing a long drawn out quest (first time per server) her prophet would arise and begin her Diety timeline. Having said that... I thought going and helping the Ethernauts kill Varsoon and Anashti Sul would be that long immense questline. Apparently, it's not. Unless it's bugged.Check eq2players... I have the WW disco on the questline if you need proof that it's been done... last week even.</blockquote>I gave this some thought today, and came to this conclusion:Every god in Norrath's Pantheon has a defined field of power. These gods all choose to represent themselves on Norrath through a mortal avatar that represents that field of power.Anashti Sul, despite being banished and having her title revoked, IS STILL A GOD no matter how you look at it. She still has divine powers of intervention with mortals.I believe that the reason why her "Avatar" in Sinking Sands is named "Anashti Sul" is because she isn't the god of any field of power. Her title was revoked, so she can't have an avatar represent who she is unless she claims or is given another title of power among the gods.She would probably be the Avatar of Undeath or something if she had an official position.

Giraku

12-17-2008, 06:01 PM

No, Anashti Sul in SS is the godess herself, it is the raid mob that has to be done away with to unlock her worship,She also does indeed have an avatar of her own that is not called "anashti'Sul, but rather "The avatar of life"

Illine

12-19-2008, 07:54 AM

so the godess is the undead anashti sul and her avatar is the living anashti sul ??

geophonic

12-19-2008, 10:32 AM

so, I have a question regarding Zarrakon: If he is a Vampire Dragon, or Dragon Vampire (or Draconic Vampire or whatever), wouldn´t this mean that he had to "be made" from a living creature? I might be wrong here but i always thought that also in EQ2 vampires are created when a greater vampire bites a living being (and further might give his own blood to the victim to make him a more powerful version). So, if this is true it would require a living dragon to become Zarrakon. I doubt he has been created just from nothing or by magic means, since that would not fit into the whole concept of vampirism.