What the hell happened to Shifting Hatred!?

[OutcastBlade]

<p>OK. I am dumbfounded beyond belief here...</p><p>You take an incredible ability like Shifting Hatred, that had so much [Removed for Content] promise when it came to raid/group utility and you give us whatever the hell you call that sorry excuse for an AA at the end of our swashy line... A decrease to str and agi by 66 AE? What the hell is that suppose to be?</p><p>I can imagine you took Shifting Hatred out because it didn't work properly and was a pain to get right, but to replace with such a crap mediocre debuff... It's a god [Removed for Content] insult. I would have been impressed if you made it so that it transferred hate to your current target raid wide. It would have been simple to implement and it would have made sense for a swashy to have as his final AA. (Or at least something to that effect would have been awesome since there are some non-raiders here.)</p><p>Bottom Line is: Our mythical has no procs that help us with dps like almost every other melee class, and our TSO:AAs are garbage(specifically the rogue ones), but Shifting Hatred was a redeemer. Now we just have a boat load of nothing compared to the other classes. It's insulting.</p><p>PS.) Expansion rocks. But the swashy hate that I seem to get from the dev team is as profound as ever here.</p>

[Keyh]

<p>Pretty sure it was changed to the AoE attack because of complaints about how useless shifting hatred was and the complaints that we got no decent damage boosts.</p>

[OutcastBlade]

<p>Well if the expansion wasn't as good as it was, I would have quit over this. The AE portion of it is nice, but its a mediocre skill regardless. -66 to str and agi.... Useless.</p><p>But whatever, thats the price of not playing an assassin I guess. The rest of the expansion is killer. Been having a blast with it, so I can't be bitter.</p>

[Katanalla]

<p>Do not insult Enfeebling Whirl, it actually debuffs STR and INT by 66, not STR and INT. Get your facts straight.</p>

[OutcastBlade]

<p>You meant to say "it debuffs STR and INT, not STR and AGI..."</p><p>LOL, in your attempt to correct me you made the same mistake I did and put the wrong ability up there.</p><p>Anyways, I don't like it. I also don't like the fact that we have another TS focused AA in our SWASHY line which is rediculous. The whole "But it augments your TS even further ontop of whats on the mythical" is not a valid excuse because we all remember the outcry to get that changed on our mythical when mythical fixes were being implemented.</p>

[Delow]

<p>I think the AE should be an AoE skill debuff like Lung Bleed is a single target debuff. It would be far more useful if it was that then the <em>awesome</em> -66 STR and INT debuff that it is. It should also be a 30 second recast, as it stands now all our 30s recast AEs arent really used more then once a fight in instances anyway so its not like its going to boost our DPS that much.</p><p>We argued the TS enhancement, and this was the response we got from Aeralik:</p><p><cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>Odeius@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Please move the Traumatic Swipe AA to the rogue tree, you are painting us into a corner with TS and its not right or fair. This ability is shared between 2 classes and its crap to force it down the throat of one class.</p><p>Give us an accuracy enhancement to our offensive stance or something to replace it.</p></blockquote><p>It fits perfectly as a swashbuckler skill.  It's slotted as a <span style="text-decoration: underline;">desirability</span> skill.  What are swashbucklers most known for in a raid? Hurricane, swipe and hate transfer.  The class branches didnt have this category which is why it went into the swashbuckler skills while brigands got an improvement to their dispatch lines.  Being able to land swipe better on a high level 87 or 88 mob is actually a nice enhancement especially early on in a fight.  Also hate transfer amounts are already extremely high for assassins and swashbucklers so you won't see any adjustments to those.  I can make it into something that debuffs additional stats on one of your skills but you already had a lot of that in the previous tree.</p></blockquote><p>The enhancement makes us more desirable, at least thats what its supposed to do.</p><p>It doesnt matter that its shared between 2 classes because swashbucklers are appearently the only rogue known for TS....... /sarcasm off</p><p>It should just be an accuracy buff or an across the board increase to hit chance of all our debuffing CAs but that would probably boost our DPS too high and people would complain to no end.</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>I think a combat art aoe with a debuff of any kind is a lot better than you think.  There aren't that many aoe debuffs, and most of them are to dps or attack speed rather than stats (shaman debuffs for example).  A fast casting AoE debuff means you can immediately reduce the damage output of the mobs attacking your group.  </p><p>It sounds like a good ability to me.  This is coming from someone who's played mostly brigand and mystic and for this expansion I'm pretty envious of the aoe dps your class has, and this is adding even more to it, plus aoe utility.</p>

[OutcastBlade]

<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think a combat art aoe with a debuff of any kind is a lot better than you think.  There aren't that many aoe debuffs, and most of them are to dps or attack speed rather than stats (shaman debuffs for example).  A fast casting AoE debuff means you can immediately reduce the damage output of the mobs attacking your group.  </p><p>It sounds like a good ability to me.  This is coming from someone who's played mostly brigand and mystic and for this expansion I'm pretty envious of the aoe dps your class has, and this is adding even more to it, plus aoe utility.</p></blockquote><p>I appreciate your optimism.</p><p>But -66 to str and int for all of the surrounding mobs does very little to impact the dps of the mob, especially when I consider my own str whcih is up at 1034 self buffed.</p><p>If I were Aeralik... I would have made the swashy end line ability something simple yet exceptionally class defining... Say 10% proc increase to our hurricane and then I would have done us all a favor and resigned.</p>

[Katanalla]

<p>Yea I saw that after posting, didn't have the urge or real resire to waste the time to fix it <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'd rather have an accuracy buff tbh, pita "miss"..."miss"..."miss"...</p>

[Rippitt]

Apparantly I'm the only swashbuckler that's satisfied with our new AA's. The kidney stab enhancement and precision striking are going to be HUGE dps gains - alot more than people think. How many of the people complaining even have 170+ aa yet? :/

[Katanalla]

<p>Oh I like the AA's, just the debuff on the aoe seems benign.</p>

[Rippitt]

It's not really that bad, not alot of classes can debuff out of encounter like that. As it stands now we're one of the only ones because we can proc enfeeb/turgur with hurricane. A str/int debuff hitting tons of add mobs is a very good thing, and imo, right in line with our current pallette of debuffs and AoE damage.

[jam3]

<p>i kinda wanted the old shifting hatred, but having guile hit for 5.5k constantly is nice O_O, i have precision striking too and seeing sack hitting for 6k is great.</p>

[MyopicDuck]

<p>the old shifting hatred was stupid. the aoe is so much better, if not for the sole reason of us having another aoe with good damage.</p>

[Ookami-san]

<p>Looks like we are ubber [Removed for Content] vs brigands now, since we got improvements to our DEFENSIVE STANCE instead of our OFFENSIVE stance.</p><p>I can't tell you how often I raid in DEFENSIVE stance... WOOHOO!</p>