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Frankrizzo Jerkyboy

11-15-2008, 02:16 PM

I've recently returned to my necro after reaching 80/80 on my first toon and have a question. I do not think I understand the proper usage of the Darkness line of spells. The description says it has a 5% chance to dispel when target takes damage but the spell never seems to last long enough that the 1 in 20 chance would give. Feels like it turns to the snare in about 2 secinds when I'm soloing. Spell also says it will last 24 seconds and I'm wondering under what conditions that would be true.

Norrsken

11-15-2008, 02:39 PM

Its a pretty crappy spell. A dot/snare that breaks itself isnt too sexy. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Afaik a some necros even drop it from their hotbars.

Daemhir

11-16-2008, 04:53 AM

I don't even have it on hotbar. Unlike in EQI, this spell line is totally useless, there are even no upgrades after lvl 51.

Xil

11-16-2008, 02:02 PM

Taking this one off yer hotbar is not exactly the brightest move you can make.True enough the snare is rather worthless when you think of it as traditional snare but without it you won't be soloing Doom in Kunzar Jungle on your necro any time soon. And the snare may not last 24 seconds but the DoT does and for a class with DPS that depends on getting every dot up and keeping them up and refreshed even darkness plays it's role.Let's not forget to mention this spell also procs our Lich and any other equipment damage procs as well as POTM when grouped with a trouby.Basically if yer not using this spell all the time you're not a necro I or anyone else would ever want to group or raid with because you're painfully unaware of how to play your class.But by all means remove this worthless spell from your hotbar... just make sure you tell the people you are trying to group with ahead of time so they can find a replacement that might actually DPS.

Sourceress

11-16-2008, 02:52 PM

Lvl 51 Spell: Dooming Darkness (Adept III) Duration 24.0 seconds* Inflicts 189 - 231 disease dmg. on target* Inflicts 63 - 77 disease dmg. on target every 4 secs.* Slows target by 56%* Applies snare on termination. Lasts for 24.0 sec. Slows target by 56% 5% chance to dispel when target recieves hostile action. 5% chance to dispel when target takes dmg.* 5% chance to dispel when target recieves hostile action* 5% chance to dispel when target takes dmg.Why would you remove this from your hotbar. Although it's a lvl 51 spell I use it all the time. It is still efffective and another weapon to use in our Necro line of spells. I wish there was an upgrade to this, unfortunatlely I dont see one. What Xil wrote is painfully true, and see many Necro's not using this spell. Shame!Although the choice to use it, is yours....

Deila

11-21-2008, 02:03 AM

Yeah, you can take this spell off your hotbar if you really want to, but I wouldn't.With wise use of this spell, just about anything that can be rooted can be killed.

Jasuo

11-21-2008, 04:59 AM

I have this spell on my hotbar simply as a hotbar filler, it is one of the worst designed spells we have (behind vampirism). I almost never use it and guarantee even stripped down of raid gear I will out perform any necro utilizing it. Any necro using this spell in raid or group should probably be kicked because you are "painfully unaware of how to play your class". There is a perfect dps flow of spells that will never keep you waiting on something to cast, there will always be one up that is better than dooming. The dot does not stay up for the entire duration, read the description and then go try it out, if the snare dispels it takes the dot right with it, and guess what...it can even break itself, brilliant design eh.I certainly hope you people using this spell aren't allowing your dots to tick for full duration before reapplying...LOL if you are.Frank and any other returning or new necros reading these forums, be careful who's advice you take...if anything get second and third opinions from necros in the higher raiding guilds as they usually know what they're talking about and most times won't lead you astray.

Xil

11-21-2008, 09:40 PM

<cite>Sciomar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have this spell on my hotbar simply as a hotbar filler, it is one of the worst designed spells we have (behind vampirism). I almost never use it and guarantee even stripped down of raid gear I will out perform any necro utilizing it. Any necro using this spell in raid or group should probably be kicked because you are "painfully unaware of how to play your class". There is a perfect dps flow of spells that will never keep you waiting on something to cast, there will always be one up that is better than dooming. The dot does not stay up for the entire duration, read the description and then go try it out, if the snare dispels it takes the dot right with it, and guess what...it can even break itself, brilliant design eh.First off your hostility isn't welcome or warranted. And this spell serves quite a few more functions than direct DPS. It procs our lich, it triggers all hostile spell procs on gear, it procs PoTM (our most important ally), and it also adds a small amount of damage to our total tick. Not to mention when combined with root keeps the mob rooted from ever reaching us before root can be applied again.I would really rather enjoy your demonstration on how to outperform me as a raiding necro that started putting 5k+ into RoK Doms at the wee age of 73 though. =PI certainly hope you people using this spell aren't allowing your dots to tick for full duration before reapplying...LOL if you are.Frank and any other returning or new necros reading these forums, be careful who's advice you take...if anything get second and third opinions from necros in the higher raiding guilds as they usually know what they're talking about and most times won't lead you astray.Yes change is difficult Scio but some of us more questionable Necro's are out performing 99% of the necro population. Just try to consider that maybe just maybe it's a lot more difficult to adjust to change than to start learning after a change has been made.I for one, believe I could enhance your experience as a Necro greatly given a bit less hostility on your part. At the very least I could give you a casting chain with dooming darkness in it that (while PoTM is up) will make it appear you have Lifeburned on the parse. =) Then you don't have to worry about only having one Druid on the raid and all you need is a Troub and Tandem to put yourself on the top of the parse.I'd be more than happy to share what I've learned, without the restrictions placed on me by my own past experiences. I spent 6 years playing EQ1 from opening day on and I can tell you first hand the people who started around PoP release had a much easier time adjusting to all the massive changes than I or any of the other players I kept with would have liked to admit. But in hindsight we were stubborn about it much as a few members of this community are now.</blockquote>

Davngr1

11-23-2008, 12:33 AM

<cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sciomar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have this spell on my hotbar simply as a hotbar filler, it is one of the worst designed spells we have (behind vampirism). I almost never use it and guarantee even stripped down of raid gear I will out perform any necro utilizing it. Any necro using this spell in raid or group should probably be kicked because you are "painfully unaware of how to play your class". There is a perfect dps flow of spells that will never keep you waiting on something to cast, there will always be one up that is better than dooming. The dot does not stay up for the entire duration, read the description and then go try it out, if the snare dispels it takes the dot right with it, and guess what...it can even break itself, brilliant design eh.First off your hostility isn't welcome or warranted. And this spell serves quite a few more functions than direct DPS. It procs our lich, it triggers all hostile spell procs on gear, it procs PoTM (our most important ally), and it also adds a small amount of damage to our total tick. Not to mention when combined with root keeps the mob rooted from ever reaching us before root can be applied again.I would really rather enjoy your demonstration on how to outperform me as a raiding necro that started putting 5k+ into RoK Doms at the wee age of 73 though. =PI certainly hope you people using this spell aren't allowing your dots to tick for full duration before reapplying...LOL if you are.Frank and any other returning or new necros reading these forums, be careful who's advice you take...if anything get second and third opinions from necros in the higher raiding guilds as they usually know what they're talking about and most times won't lead you astray.Yes change is difficult Scio but some of us more questionable Necro's are out performing 99% of the necro population. Just try to consider that maybe just maybe it's a lot more difficult to adjust to change than to start learning after a change has been made.I for one, believe I could enhance your experience as a Necro greatly given a bit less hostility on your part. At the very least I could give you a casting chain with dooming darkness in it that (while PoTM is up) will make it appear you have Lifeburned on the parse. =) Then you don't have to worry about only having one Druid on the raid and all you need is a Troub and Tandem to put yourself on the top of the parse.I'd be more than happy to share what I've learned, without the restrictions placed on me by my own past experiences. I spent 6 years playing EQ1 from opening day on and I can tell you first hand the people who started around PoP release had a much easier time adjusting to all the massive changes than I or any of the other players I kept with would have liked to admit. But in hindsight we were stubborn about it much as a few members of this community are now.</blockquote></blockquote>scio puts up 10k raid wide parses... AND i don't mean fake parses like yours. i put up peak 7k parses in T7 and 3 to 5k regularly and that was at lvl 70 and with out RoK gear =) dooming is an ok soloing spell but, if you choose to cast it when a higher dmg spell is up, you are indeed loosing dmg. to sum it up, your hostility against necros who understand that dooming is useless for dps as shown here:<cite>Xil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Taking this one off yer hotbar is not exactly the brightest move you can make.Basically if yer not using this spell all the time you're not a necro I or anyone else would ever want to group or raid with because you're painfully unaware of how to play your class.But by all means remove this worthless spell from your hotbar... just make sure you tell the people you are trying to group with ahead of time so they can find a replacement that might actually DPS.</blockquote> does nothing but highlight your own inability to play a necro to it's fullest potential, but there is hope! if you stop being so stuborn and learn from others experiance. =)

Hexen575

01-04-2009, 09:54 AM

Only time I use that about worthless spell is when I have absolutely nothing else to cast at that very sec. It procs Lich and hits atleast once, but that is about it (depnding on your grp/solo buffs and gear). It may or may not run it's full coarse as a DoT (99% of the time it doesn't get past the 2nd tick).Yes, I think everyone should have it in their hotbar as it's better to cast this worthless spell than stand around waiting for a refresh to cast.They need to either fix the spell so it does what it says it does, or reword the description to say exactly what it does.Lvl 51 Spell: Dooming Darkness (Adept III)Duration 24.0 seconds* Inflicts 189 - 231 disease dmg. on target* Inflicts 63 - 77 disease dmg. on target every 4 secs.* Slows target by 56%* Applies snare on termination. Lasts for 24.0 sec. Slows target by 56% 95% chance to dispel when target recieves hostile action. 95% chance to dispel when target takes dmg.* 95% chance to dispel when target recieves hostile action* 95% chance to dispel when target takes dmgThere, that looks more accurate.