Brawler Str line in TSO.

[Ol]

<p>I heard next expansion they were allowing the Brawler Str line to be allowed with weapons. does that mean there gonna horribly nerf the DA % and dps bonus? anyone have the numbers? will chi be nerfed, if so how much? Anyone?</p>

[mr23sgte]

<p><cite>Olik@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I heard next expansion they were allowing the Brawler Str line to be allowed with weapons. does that mean there gonna horribly nerf the DA % and dps bonus? anyone have the numbers? will chi be nerfed, if so how much? Anyone?</p></blockquote><p>21% at rank 8</p><p>Chi not nerfed - 6 min recast</p>

[githyanki]

<p>A few months ago i did a parse test with several weapon combinations and specifically with the str line compared to mastercrafted weapons.    With the old str line you where so close with  mc weapons that is was funny why you wouldn't just use weapons.   Now with the fix...and i mean a fix that should have happened back in eof....you could probably get away with junky treasured weapons and str line and be close to where you where with either just fists or mc weapons.   In beta with my regular copied toon my dps went from an avg of 2kish by myself to 2600ish without craneflock or outside buffs/potions.   Training wall in jungle is great for static tests btw.  And no my monk does not have mythical just regular group fabled and that staff from pr.   Now monks still are gonna have some glaring issues especially with the new aa's but at least they got this fixed.</p>

[Stabbath]

<p>They giving out free respecs to us? Hope so since it cost me 17 plat.......</p>

[mr23sgte]

<p>Yes it was stated we get 1 free respec</p>

[Zacarus]

<p>I noticed the recast on Chi's description said 10 minutes, however the recast was actually 6 minutes.</p><p>I did *not* receive a free re-spec on the bralwer tree.  However I had some charges left on my class re-spec card.</p><p>Chi is completely amazing!</p>

[Sulet]

<p>You're happy with 21%?</p><p>Weaponless I used to have a 96% double attack and now we have 21 and you're happy with that?</p><p>[Removed for Content]?</p>

[Morghus]

<p>I use to use the line weaponless but gave it up at around level 60, that was a long time ago. Now adays using mastercrafted and even handcrafted at lower levels after the weapon upgrade is likely superior than the 96% double attack while weaponless, and I didn't know a single person who used the line after around 60 including myself. It is a good change and is now a viable if not essential line to take whereas it was entirely ignored before except by some.</p>

[Orthureon]

<p>Str line sucks, Warriors got a higher double attack than we do... and we are the DPS based fighter. You will have to wait until they start working on the brawlers, since this was round one of balancing plate tanks.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Orthureon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Str line sucks, Warriors got a higher double attack than we do... and we are the DPS based fighter. You will have to wait until they start working on the brawlers, since this was round one of balancing plate tanks.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, warriors got their double attack nerfed this update down to around 20ish% like the brawler str line is now.</p>

[Illine]

<p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">I like the change coz now you can take it even at higher levels. We really have 5 usefull lines when before, we had the STR line usefull while leveling and becoming useless around T8.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">sure, the DA decreased otherwise it would have been too powerfull but the strange thing is that the defense bonus of the 4th row is less that the defense bonus on mantis line. Why that ? and it's a bit strange to have 2 AAs that increase defense, no?</span></p>

[Couching]

<p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Orthureon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Str line sucks, Warriors got a higher double attack than we do... and we are the DPS based fighter. You will have to wait until they start working on the brawlers, since this was round one of balancing plate tanks.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, warriors got their double attack nerfed this update down to around 20ish% like the brawler str line is now.</p></blockquote><p>They have 25% DA with 8 points and brawler str line is 21% DA with 8 points.</p><p>I would call it a fix rather than nerf. It works on DW and they can deal more dps with DW now.  </p><p>When they are not tanking or tanking relatively weak mobs, they can use DW to have better dps/agro.</p>

[mr23sgte]

<p><cite>Orthureon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Str line sucks, Warriors got a higher double attack than we do... and we are the DPS based fighter. You will have to wait until they start working on the brawlers, since this was round one of balancing plate tanks.</p></blockquote><p>I'm interested in the last part of this quote - Are you sure Part 2 is going to be focused on Brawlers ???? .......as I thought it was just focusing on hate changes?</p>

[Junaru]

<p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Orthureon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Str line sucks, Warriors got a higher double attack than we do... and we are the DPS based fighter. You will have to wait until they start working on the brawlers, since this was round one of balancing plate tanks.</p></blockquote><p>I'm interested in the last part of this quote - Are you sure Part 2 is going to be focused on Brawlers ???? .......as I thought it was just focusing on hate changes?</p></blockquote><p>Thats my understanding of it also.</p>