Inq 25% reuse 30% cast vs my temps???

[Mallow]

<p>So if an Inquisitor gets their mythical and healing stance and likewise with the templar, the inq is running at 30% casting and 25% reuse passively. Only things temps get to rival that in terms of casting and reuse is the 20% cast proc on their mythical. I understand that templars get 15% crit amount on their healing stance and a nice addition to their reactives with their mythical (30% of wisdom). But seriously, NO REUSE or passive casting. Shouldn't the stances be reversed? Templars already heal for slightly more than inqs but inqs shift through their spells faster and more frequently. I'm not asking for complete balance, but the difference in casting and ESPECIALLY reuse makes our 15% crit amount put to shame.</p>

[Calain80]

You know that the +heal we actually get to our reactives caps at ~100? 30% of your WIS will add at least 200 to each trigger. That's double the amount you can add with +heal. I would say that this is quite powerful. Beside this there is a lot of other gear to increase fast cast and reuse. Inq had to leave this kind of gear alone as they need a lot of proc heals to be able to heal a group, while a Temp can afford to go for these Items, as they have so many heal procing spells already. Beside this, Temps don't need to think about their buffs anymore. They can just have all buff up all the time. My Inq needs to decide which buffs he suspends in favor of other buffs every time he enters a group. I would not say it is equal, 'cause in truth Inqs have a much much harder time to heal then Temps. If you don't trust me copy your char to test / beta and betray to Inq. Then try to run a instance. You will see how huge the difference between the two classes is. So stop complaining, that your class is to weak. Templar is the most overpowered group healer and even one of the best if not the best raid healers. And starting with TSo he will be so while outDPSing, outbuffing and outdebuffing an Inquisitor. The only bad thing about this class is, that you must live in the flower picker land and you even actually like living there according to your lore. The only thing that is better as an Inq is, that we can see in eyes of our enemies as we kill them in close combat as we do not rely so much on our spells. If it wouldn't be for the lore and the feel of the class there wouldn't be any Inqs left, cause from the pure min-maxing point of view the Temp is better in every aspect. Esp. at mythical raiding level.

[quasigenx]

<p><cite>Mallow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Templars already heal for slightly more than inqs...</p></blockquote><p>That is an understatement of the facts. Inqs have about half the healing capability of a Templar. So much so that a raid will be called off if the only other choice is to use an Inquisitor in the MT group on a hard mob.</p><p>Inquisitors have the weakest healing ability right now. They need a boost, and this is a good start.</p>

[Nemoscat]

<p><cite>quasigenx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mallow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Templars already heal for slightly more than inqs...</p></blockquote><p>That is an understatement of the facts. Inqs have about half the healing capability of a Templar. So much so that a raid will be called off if the only other choice is to use an Inquisitor in the MT group on a hard mob.</p><p>Inquisitors have the weakest healing ability right now. They need a boost, and this is a good start.</p></blockquote><p>Yah no kidding!!</p><p>I recently betrayed from inqy to templar and the difference is so large it isn't even funny.Healing with a templar is so much esier than the inqy equivalent that you can't complain for the small extra perk they got.I loved playing my inqy, but it isn't even comparable on the healing scale.</p>

[Mallow]

<p><cite>Calberak@Valor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know that the +heal we actually get to our reactives caps at ~100? 30% of your WIS will add at least 200 to each trigger. That's double the amount you can add with +heal. I would say that this is quite powerful. Beside this there is a lot of other gear to increase fast cast and reuse. Inq had to leave this kind of gear alone as they need a lot of proc heals to be able to heal a group, while a Temp can afford to go for these Items, as they have so many heal procing spells already. Beside this, Temps don't need to think about their buffs anymore. They can just have all buff up all the time. My Inq needs to decide which buffs he suspends in favor of other buffs every time he enters a group. I would not say it is equal, 'cause in truth Inqs have a much much harder time to heal then Temps. If you don't trust me copy your char to test / beta and betray to Inq. Then try to run a instance. You will see how huge the difference between the two classes is. So stop complaining, that your class is to weak. Templar is the most overpowered group healer and even one of the best if not the best raid healers. And starting with TSo he will be so while outDPSing, outbuffing and outdebuffing an Inquisitor. The only bad thing about this class is, that you must live in the flower picker land and you even actually like living there according to your lore. The only thing that is better as an Inq is, that we can see in eyes of our enemies as we kill them in close combat as we do not rely so much on our spells. If it wouldn't be for the lore and the feel of the class there wouldn't be any Inqs left, cause from the pure min-maxing point of view the Temp is better in every aspect. Esp. at mythical raiding level.</p></blockquote><p>Easy now, i'm not all bent out of shape here, just making some points. Technically our reactives cap out much more than 100 but we won't get into that.</p><p>Leave out the Aegolism buff on the mythical cuz inquisitors get a nice group cure. On top of dogma and inquisition, i dont know what you're talking about sacrificing casting gear to heal in AOE. Of course ur probably thinking raid healing where i play more in groups.</p><p>I also agree that templars are better at healing than an inq where an inq brings more dps to the raid/group. I was merely asking where our resuse and casting is because a 25% gap on both is a significant difference. I think u are belittling the benefits of casting and reuse.</p>

[Calain80]

<p><cite>Mallow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Easy now, i'm not all bent out of shape here, just making some points. Technically our reactives cap out much more than 100 but we won't get into that.</p><p>Leave out the Aegolism buff on the mythical cuz inquisitors get a nice group cure. On top of dogma and inquisition, i dont know what you're talking about sacrificing casting gear to heal in AOE. Of course ur probably thinking raid healing where i play more in groups.</p><p>I also agree that templars are better at healing than an inq where an inq brings more dps to the raid/group. I was merely asking where our resuse and casting is because a 25% gap on both is a significant difference. I think u are belittling the benefits of casting and reuse.</p></blockquote><p>Here the cap for reactives:</p><p>M1 value: 527-644 -> Cap 50% -> 264-322 -> only 1/3 can be used -> <strong>88-107</strong></p><p>So we can increase our reactives much easier then Shamans and Druids at low end but are capped out much earlier then they are at the upper end. I would love this changed to 50% total heal amount as cap and each trigger would be increased by +heal / number of triggers.</p><p>Yes our group cure is nice, but you don't want me to start to compare our healing spells to yours and Inquisition is nice on paper bad in play while your level 80 special is nice on paper an overpowered in in play. And Yes: Until TSO AOE damage was mainly a raid thing. You will see that this not true any more with TSO. You also mentioned Mythicals in your first post and these weapons where made for raiding. So group vs raid is even a moot question.</p><p>An Inq might bring more DPS buffs to a single group of non-raiders. But in no way an Inq will bring more DPS to a raid vs an equally skilled Templar. This isn't 'cause our buffs, but cause all of our buffs are affected by hard and soft cap and the classes we are buffing are already at the cap prior to our buffs while the Templar buff as a specific effect, that isn't capped.</p><p>About the "belittling" then benefit of reuse and fast cast I'm just saying it again. copy over to test or beta betray and try to solo heal any instace above COA (cause you don't need to heal there at all with a good group). Then you will know the pain we feel and that even this doesn't help us.</p>

[LardLord]

<p><cite>Mallow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Shouldn't the stances be reversed? Templars already heal for slightly more than inqs but inqs shift through their spells faster and more frequently. I'm not asking for complete balance, but the difference in casting and ESPECIALLY reuse makes our 15% crit amount put to shame.</p></blockquote><p>As an Inquisitor, I would very gladly take the Templar healing stance.  Casting haste is very easy to get for raiders, and though apparently people don't understand this, the real returns on it effectively diminish.  For example, consider a spell that has a base casting speed of 3.0 seconds.</p><p>The formula to find the casting time of that spell with casting haste factored in is: (Base Casting Time)/(1+(Casting Haste).  The casting haste in this formula is in decimal form, so 20% would be .2.</p><p>With 50% casting haste, the spell would cast in (3/1.5 =) 2 seconds. That's a 1 second reduction in casting time.With 50% more casting haste, 100% in total, it would cast in (3/2 =) 1.5 seconds. That's only a .5 second boost.</p><p>The result is that the first 50% casting haste you obtain is TWICE as effective as the remaining 50%. Considering that raiding Templars are usually at ~100% heal crit, they pretty much get a 15% boost to their heals in healing stance.  The only reason I say "pretty much" is because it's a 15% boost based on their heal amount without any critical heal bonus.  The math is simple, but it's somewhat difficult for me to explain in words...regardless, the important part is that Templar healing stance is <strong>not</strong> affected by diminishing returns while the Inquisitor healing stance is <strong>dramatically</strong> affected by them.</p><p>Plus, the Inquisitor stance doesn't even boost recovery speed, so even in a perfect world without diminishing returns, a Templar with 100% heal crit would still get more from their healing stance than an Inquisitor...and it'll no-doubt be even easier to reach 100% heal crit in TSO than it was in RoK.</p><p>EDIT: I'll also add that, with the casting time reduction on our big direct heal and single-target reactive in the TSO AAs, those spells hit the hard cap pretty easily...so more casting haste does absolutely nothing for those spells, and since we have so few healing spells, that is significant.</p>

[LardLord]

<p><cite>Quabi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As an Inquisitor, I would very gladly take the Templar healing stance.</p></blockquote><p>I take that back.  I was going to go try to test the Templar healing stance to make sure I was understanding the bonus correctly (was the 15% just a boost to the crit modifier or to the actual healing of crit spells?), and it appears that the critical healing bonus has been removed.  Now it's just the same 10% base increase and 5.0 crit modifier all healers get without anything extra. </p>

[Mallow]

<p>That's fantastic about the templar stance.</p>

[Antryg Mistrose]

<p>Given how well templar currently works as a class, I'm more in "hoping for no nerfs mode" than greedily eying others abilities.</p>

[Lord Hackenslash]

<p>I have a 71 Inquisitor and a 64 Templar currently. At this level my templar has 6 more heals <span style="font-weight: bold;">and</span> stoneskin when compared to the inquisitor. I believe that is why you are seeing a stronger Heal stance for inquisitors, they need it more.  When looking at these differences look at the whole picture before trying to "equalize". There is no comparison when it comes to healing who has the advantage. Let the Inquisitors get a bone now and then.</p>

[Hopefulne]

<p>Errr naked my M1 single target reactive lists as 604-738 per tick. Though this is with the TSO reactive buff.</p><p>Adding gear the bottom end capped at ~+300 heal. The top end capped at ~+340 heal.  Total per tick was 705-853.</p><p>Adding the t2 shard shoulder with base healing +8% increased the +heal cap to about +400 for a total of 754-921.</p><p>Second hand info tells me the templar mythical  increases the + heal cap as well but i am not sure.</p><p>For comparing templar and inquisitor it's kind of silly IMO considering how badly some of the inquis abilities need fixing and/or buffing. But that's for elsewhere.</p>