Pls stop arguing about other class for TSO

[Jetfist]

<p>No need to fight each other we should happy if they are better</p><p>Just suggest a better solution to fix our class leave other class alone</p><p>I think this is the most peaceful way</p><p>Becoz every time any class are nerfed the whole raidforce are nerfed too</p>

[BChizzle]

<p>I was disheartened to see the thread locked and PM'ed the person that locked it not sure what more we can do.</p>

[Jetfist]

<p>The more other classess are better the more raid ends earlier then we have time to do other things</p><p>SOE pls leave our raidwide as it is or make it better</p><p>I am asian player the most less guilds in this game most guilds have only one monk one bruiser period</p><p>Count 5 seconds after using peel with def stance (add uber dps here) caught the mob not on you anymore</p><p>please make it longer a little bit</p><p>When you switch from off stance to def stance when tsunami is up most time we are killed by skill that ignore tsunami</p>

[Shareana]

<p> Keep it clean guys... ANY insults <em>"can"</em> get a thread locked....as it is against the forum rules...</p><p><strong></strong><strong><a href="list.m?topic_id=411000" target="_blank">Forum Rules of Conduct</a></strong></p><p>You may <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">NOT</span></strong> post or place in a signature any material that:</p><ul><li>Attacks or insults others on the board. Feel free to debate the idea, but do not turn your disagreement into an attack upon the poster or any person or group. </li></ul><p>Also, reposting a locked thread is a no-no too....</p><p>Furthermore, you may <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">NOT</span></strong>:</p><ul><li>Make multiple posts on the same subject for the purpose of getting attention paid to your issue. </li></ul><p>So...  lets keep it nice this time please?</p>

[easycheese]

<p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p>

[Kiara]

<p><cite>Thajuggernaut@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p></blockquote><p>This doesn't excuse breaking the forum rules.  The feedback issue is being worked on, but there's only so much that can be done, especially right now, with prepping for the expansion launch.</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thajuggernaut@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p></blockquote><p>This doesn't excuse breaking the forum rules.  The feedback issue is being worked on, but there's only so much that can be done, especially right now, with prepping for the expansion launch.</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p></blockquote><p>I think that it is important to keep things in perspective.  It is probably too late for any change to happen to monks, and that sucks for us.  I can appreciate that everyone is probably working just crazy hours right now, but from the monk side I think people want some assurances that we will be fixed or at least somebody is looking at it.  It is not like we are just providing this information now, feedback on this has been over a month. </p><p>I mean come on it took them 2 years to fix the str line it took them 8 months to fix our mythical, it is no surprise emotions are running high.</p>

[Dorieon]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thajuggernaut@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p></blockquote><p>This doesn't excuse breaking the forum rules.  The feedback issue is being worked on, but there's only so much that can be done, especially right now, with prepping for the expansion launch.</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p></blockquote><p>I agree Kiara. But doesn't it make more sense to tell one person to stay out of a thread rather than locking it completely? I mean, I think the arguements were basically with a single person who is both not a monk and not in TSO beta but was posting and 'argueing' with us while we were posting about things that we want changed. I could be wrong but that is what I saw.</p><p>Thanks for all the work you do and I know both brawler classes make it hard because we tend to get heated when posting. But this is due to the game design and how the nerf/buff pendulum seems to swing every expansion.</p>

[Siatfallen]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The feedback issue is being worked on.</p><p>[...]</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you and thank you.</p><p>Now, as to the issue at hand:I am happy that bruisers are better. It's awesome for them, and seeing how brawlers have been on the fringe of desirability since the launch of KoS, with monks seeing a short renaissance during RoK until the nerfbat (for obvious reasons) hit Peel and our mythical, seeing any brawler class get a boost is awesome. By the very same token, I'm happy for Shadowknights.</p><p>We bring up the bruiser class because right now, the issue is that bruisers are not only clearly better off this expansion, they are in fact better off <em>than us</em>, in just about every aspect of the class and that creates balance problems.Of course, the idea that monks and bruisers should excell at the same thing isn't by necessity correct - but it's been the fact of the matter for as long as I can remember (been playing since before LU 13, raiding since KoS).</p>

[Kiara]

<p><cite>Dorieon@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree Kiara. But doesn't it make more sense to tell one person to stay out of a thread rather than locking it completely? I mean, I think the arguements were basically with a single person who is both not a monk and not in TSO beta but was posting and 'argueing' with us while we were posting about things that we want changed. I could be wrong but that is what I saw.</p><p>Thanks for all the work you do and I know both brawler classes make it hard because we tend to get heated when posting. But this is due to the game design and how the nerf/buff pendulum seems to swing every expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Then people should be reporting said troll, rather than rising to the bait and breaking the rules themselves.  Instead of attacking someone who is clearly inviting those attacks, use the report function so that I can take care of it, please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[easycheese]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thajuggernaut@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p></blockquote><p>This doesn't excuse breaking the forum rules.  The feedback issue is being worked on, but there's only so much that can be done, especially right now, with prepping for the expansion launch.</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p></blockquote><p>what does prepping for the expansion launch involve??? I would guess that means fixing the things that are broken. Like everything thing about the monk TSO tree. We are not complaining about a small bug with a quest here> THIS IS OUR ENTIRE TSO AA SETUP, THE ONE BIG CHANGE FOR THE EXPANSION. Prep harder because this is ridiculous. People have been talking about these problems for long before the NDA was lifted, i know multiple people in beta who have reported these problems yet nothing gets changed [Removed for Content]? The only thing aerillak is good at is making assassin's way overpowered, he has failed more times than i can count and should be fired and then set on fire. That is beside the point though ... fix monks  k ?</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>I'm sorry to say that I agree with the dude above me.</p><p>I have been in beta and I've stated many many MANY times that the new monk AA tree is rubbish! Its on par</p><p>with the EoF tree in its uselessness i.e. mebbe 4 good AA bubbles and the rest are trash. <- I was</p><p>a lot more contructive at the begining but everything has been ignored.</p><p>I'm also considering not buying the expansion to show my distaste but that will leave me out on my own</p><p>so I really don't know what to do at the moment.</p>

[Editedmind]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thajuggernaut@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about someone representing soe do something positive instead of locking threads and banning people how about that time be used to fix this serious lack of feedback in these forums. I dont expect a personal response to my posts but i expect that in a five page thread someone can do something more than carebear and tell people to be nice. People are not nice becuase nothing ever gets done and they get [Removed for Content].</p></blockquote><p>This doesn't excuse breaking the forum rules.  The feedback issue is being worked on, but there's only so much that can be done, especially right now, with prepping for the expansion launch.</p><p>I've cleaned up the thread, so please feel free to discuss the issues at hand.  Just try to remember to abide by the forum rules please.</p></blockquote><p>Well it's a game. Everyone plays to have fun, and when people feel like they're going to get the short end of the stick they want to know that isn't going to be the case. When they're subsequently ignored they get agitated and frustrated.</p><p>Some people get a little too angry and excited when they hear things like how buffs that aren't overpowered (no real complaints about it) are getting a big nerf. It takes one dev (I know you're all really busy. . . ) a couple of minutes to make one post to say they're looking into it, and most of the outcry would probably change back from flames to suggestions and constructive criticism.</p><p>Just look how the tradeskill community has changed in the last couple of years, with Domino taking over. Communication works wonders.</p>

[easycheese]

<p>The devs are busy with what ? they are obviously not busy making the class' better..  Im on the verge of quiting this stupid game if the devs dont pull there head out soon and learn to balance classes. Even worse the devs dont even read these threads so they are probably totally oblivious to how bad they suck at there jobs. Developer Incompetency is the reason this game fails and im sick of it...</p><p>FIX MONKS IN 08'</p>