The XP issue

[Kneemin]

<p>Since my other thread was locked, for no <strong>good</strong> reason and, my PM about why was not answered... I would like to re-instate the issue of the XP vs PvP gear.</p><p>With no fix due with the expansion (that we know of) there is a very eminent problem of getting too much XP and lvling much too fast with the current XP system.  As of now, it is nearly (if not completely) impossible to get your PvP gear at 70 even though you pvp from 60-69 with NO other XP (this can be done easily, post TSO but still isn't enough).  THe point here is that while SOE may implement a change for the people who "want to see the game" this does NOT fix the problem that they made lvl 70 gear that is NOT POSSIBLE to obtain due to XP gain inflating.</p><p>Again today I was noted by subtracting the amount of XP I got from turnin in my writ (b/c after TSO supposedly we won't get XP for that) and still i was left with over 7% for ONE writ, JUST from kills........ this is far too much and the issue needs to be resolved.</p><p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Note:</span></strong> To any forum mods who may want to lock this thread - the "changes" will NOT FIX THIS ISSUE, so NO it has NOT been addressed yet by the devs.</p><p>~Knee</p>

[Enoe]

<p>jeez once again....</p><p>U can lvl lock yourself to do quests explore world slower and so on.</p><p>If u lvl lock for pvp ony it meens you are looking for unfair advantage against players who dont want to twink and gank.</p><p>So exp from pvp kills and writs is kind of penality for pvp lockers - u kill more then u r forced to lvl finally.</p><p>Its bad for locked gankers but good for server and regular players. All are crying about lower population on server. If we get fresh blood on pvp server and they are working on their 1st toon what chances do they have agains pvp locked twink? And after multi gank they just will say f.u. and change server or game. Maybe its fun for some but its really bad for server community. So i agree there have to be penalties for pvp lockers.</p><p>If you want to pvp you all are welcome on t8. Allow all low lvls chars exp peacefully. Let them learn pvp from same noobs as they are. Give them time to fall in love in eq2 as u did. Then kill them on high end tier <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Over and over again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mentle]

<p>Hello I'm one of those new blood people you mentioned and yes I've been ganked a few times but that doesn't bother me much.</p><p>I must say though that I am just flying through the levels, I've only got a few days worth of play under my belt and I feel like the game is passing me by.   I have almost outlevelled all of my equipment and will soon have outlevelled some of the zones that I've barely explored.  I had locked my XP a couple of times but still levelled up as I was questing.</p><p>I love this game, but its all a bit overwhelming.</p><p>I feel like I'm being pushed forward constantly when I still haven't got a clue what I'm doing.  At this rate I'll be top tier cannon fodder [to be killed over and over again by Enoe] in no time at all.  So I've got that to look forward to eh !</p>

[wellehad0]

<p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>jeez once again....</p><p>U can lvl lock yourself to do quests explore world slower and so on.</p><p>If u lvl lock for pvp ony it meens you are looking for unfair advantage against players who dont want to twink and gank.</p><p>So exp from pvp kills and writs is kind of penality for pvp lockers - u kill more then u r forced to lvl finally.</p><p>Its bad for locked gankers but good for server and regular players. All are crying about lower population on server. If we get fresh blood on pvp server and they are working on their 1st toon what chances do they have agains pvp locked twink? And after multi gank they just will say f.u. and change server or game. Maybe its fun for some but its really bad for server community. So i agree there have to be penalties for pvp lockers.</p><p>If you want to pvp you all are welcome on t8. Allow all low lvls chars exp peacefully. Let them learn pvp from same noobs as they are. Give them time to fall in love in eq2 as u did. Then kill them on high end tier <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Over and over again</p></blockquote><p>ok i see pvp exp is to save the new ALTS from dyiing in the 1-3 hours it takes to get out of the most popular tiers. waht i dont get is why does anybody not stand up for the 70's who are being ganked by mythical equiped raids of 80's. so lets compare new alts 1-3hours lvl 70's weeks - months of being ganked by raids and writ farmers... like i said if you dont like lower lvl pvp you have the option to quickly lvl out of it if you dont like endgame unbalanced pvp then your only option is to /quit....       </p><p>thing is pvp exp is huge and should never have been to equal more then a mob kill.. if SOE was to lower the amount by lets say 50% you might have some people still upset but they would have atleast pleased the vast majorityn of the non 80 writ farmers.....   either way game is loosing people at a rate of atleast 10x the amount as we where when we had pvp locking...  yes we did gain some people but most of them where from pve servers wich is not a gain for SOE money wise...</p>

[ulleulle]

<p>Hola.</p><p>I got t8 toons and i used to have locked toons in t3 and later t5.</p><p>I wont say to much about this issue.</p><p>But i will say this..</p><p>T8 pvp is even more cruel and unforgiving then low tier pvp ever was.</p><p>Only diffrence is that people that lvl to t8 and get ganked by super twinks have them self to blame according to the general concences. "If you can lvl to t8 then you should not be a true noob" was the argument.</p><p>But in low tier it was the games fault when people got killed and they had to be protected =)</p><p>Now with this current xp banaza there is not much diffrence between a lowbie noob and a t8 noob.</p><p>I remember all to well the day when they announced the lvl locking was gone..</p><p>I said  on this forum and to my former guildies that unless soe starts hammering updates out for t8 then this is a major own-goal if ever i saw one..</p><p>Oh well.</p><p>Unless TOS brings new changes ,then i cant continue telling my self that eventually this game will get better in t8,and then i am out of here like soooo many others.</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[Buttcliffe]

<p>Too much PVP xp for sure.   I avoid pvp on alts because i don't want them to lvl so fast... that's <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><em>wrong</em></strong></span><span ><em></em></span></p>

[kreepr]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">If the amount of XP you get trying to get the level 70 armor levels you right past it then they should adjust the amount you get so the armor is attainable. I just don't get why they don't eliminate the PVP XP after a certain tier. It's really not needed from say T4 or T5 on. it would solve a lot of problems. And really any level 80 that is saying things like Enoe are just looking for the easy noob kills to finish there writs. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">On the other hand from what I have read and seen now you will be able to lock your self away in instances and collect your shards, level up and get your armor from T6-T8. Sounds like fun.</span></p>

[Enoe]

<p>PPl you still dont undurstand. Ok for some of you I may look like 80 lvl token farming twinked mashine but...</p><p>I play one of the weakest class for solo pvp. I had my lesson of pvp hard way. I dont play 1000 alts. Gardian is my one and only real toon. I spend on it over 200 days. I learned a lot. Died so many times to other high end twinks that i was close to /quit too. But Im here and i become so called twink.</p><p>Itemization in Eq2 is true. If u want to rock you need best gear possible. So you need to spend time to obtain it. I have 10-11 t8 pvp gear. Only on lvl 80 i killed 9k ppl. But you think i just went to KP asked all these ppl to line up and execute them 1 by 1?  It was hours and hours (or rather weeks and weeks) of pvp expirience some you win some loose.</p><p>Oh i have mythical.... well i spend another weeks on progression raiding. Noone gave it to me for free. It was dozens of wipes on Doomcoil, OK, Vs, Druushk, Nexona each. </p><p>So now i should feel guilty someone who just lvld up to 80 will be easy target for me?</p><p>I agree on one thing - quest, pve kill exp is too high. You just lvl too fast. But PVP exp is ok imo.</p><p>TBH  no other target give me more pleasure to kill then lvl 72 General. They ganked ppl on SS docks over and over again. But thx to pvp exp he was finally forced to play in big boys league <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Faenril]

I'm not defending twinks here, but it's amusing that "I spent weeks gearing up my toon so don't expect to compete with me from scratch" (the veteran T8 vs newbie T8 argument) was pretty much the T2 twink argument. "If you want to compete put more work into your toon". Yep EQ2 is this way, that's relevant for every tier, and that won't change anytime soon. Though it was much faster and cheaper to twink a toon at a low tier than it is at tier 8, and lower tiers don't have as many issues perceived as "broken" or "unfair" as tier 8. So I hear the twinks ... T8 super twinks are not really in a moral position to teach them about what's right or wrong. But anyway SOE has spoken, twinks days are over so you guys should just give it a break and come enjoy the butchery at T8. It's just same story as T2 really. Ppl who farmed god mode gear slaughter those who just hit the tier or don't work hard enough on their toon...

[wellehad0]

<p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PPl you still dont undurstand. Ok for some of you I may look like 80 lvl token farming twinked mashine but...</p><p>I play one of the weakest class for solo pvp. I had my lesson of pvp hard way. I dont play 1000 alts. Gardian is my one and only real toon. I spend on it over 200 days. I learned a lot. Died so many times to other high end twinks that i was close to /quit too. But Im here and i become so called twink.</p><p>Itemization in Eq2 is true. If u want to rock you need best gear possible. So you need to spend time to obtain it. I have 10-11 t8 pvp gear. Only on lvl 80 i killed 9k ppl. But you think i just went to KP asked all these ppl to line up and execute them 1 by 1?  It was hours and hours (or rather weeks and weeks) of pvp expirience some you win some loose.</p><p>Oh i have mythical.... well i spend another weeks on progression raiding. Noone gave it to me for free. It was dozens of wipes on Doomcoil, OK, Vs, Druushk, Nexona each. </p><p>So now i should feel guilty someone who just lvld up to 80 will be easy target for me?</p><p>I agree on one thing - quest, pve kill exp is too high. You just lvl too fast. But PVP exp is ok imo.</p><p>TBH  no other target give me more pleasure to kill then lvl 72 General. They ganked ppl on SS docks over and over again. But thx to pvp exp he was finally forced to play in big boys league <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>dude i hope you read what you just wrote you proved my whole point all by yourself and i ty for making it so easy on people...  first you say you play a Guard and you call it one of the weakest classe i call FOUL on that one.. Guards in t8 are awsome if they are played by the right people i have seen some t8 guards do amazing things that even mad my mouth drop... you also said you had your mythical and that you gank 72's at the docs you know the 72's that no matter how much skill they have can not stand up to a mythical Guard.. you just admited yourself that you are geared to the teeth and it would take atleast a year for people just hiting 80 to get geared like you....</p><p>also can you stop trying to act like tier 8 is big boy pvp.. i admit it was the tier devs are shooting for people to play in but it is by far anyway near end all pvp. wait i take that back it is end all pvp because if you dont like it you re roll or /quit... i have said it before lower lvl pvp has always been the most popular pvp in many mmo's look at wow's 10-19 bg's on some servers it has 30 minutes to a hour wait time to get in one.</p><p>so the last thing i have to say on this post is there are no longer super twinks.. sorry cant be done in T2-T3 MC is cheap and MC is king now.. even ALTs who dont want to buy mc can do TD quest for gear that is stil very good.. everybody and there mother gets a POF run for every new toon. so AA's are no longer a facter... </p><p>ENOE your total argument lost steam once they updated the MC the gear when they had lvl locking and now is worlds apart... i admit back then you could out gear some people heck i ran into thoughs 2% who where just freaking insane trying to take down even though i was what i thought geared well. now lets say a person goes back in time to fight a supertwinked from 2 years ago the toon now would rock the socks of a old world toon in a heartbeat without breaking a sweat even if he was a noob just mashing the buttens</p>

[Enoe]

<p>Faerie i fully agree and i see problem.</p><p>Im just saying imo its little different to twink your toon on high end - (cause this is all what left in game for you ) and different thing is lock yourself and kill totall noobs.</p><p>I agree my gear make huge difference when i fight new to 80 lvl guardian for example. Its like fighting grey con.  But give time this guardian will gain gear and expirience and will be much harder to kill or maybe on some day will own me.</p><p>And i think this is fair  - i will be there for him when he will be ready to give me fight. He will not out lvl me. This is what game is all about with every lvl every month it supose to be harder. So you get to t8 then your target is to be like best or so called "best " pvp players. Finally you want to own them. So even on 80 lvl this game has few grades you have to pass.</p><p>I was ther i did it so i know what im talking about.</p>

[Enoe]

<p>@wellehad0</p><p>About killing green general - its not that i enjoy killing green cons. Not that i care about fame. Solo guardian shouldnt care about it tbh <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But on some stage i was on ss docks i know how ppl gain fame ther in massive ganks. Not long ago i tried to fight ther 80 lvl freep and was attacked by x4 of greys - this is pvp and fame lockers offer/gain.  So call it vendetta for all ganksquads this General was part of. I hope they got huge amount of exp killing me.</p>

[Faenril]

Yes I guess twinking at level 80 is probably playing "as intended", unlike twinking at level 14 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But I also like the idea of having an escape door for those who don't enjoy T8 pvp. And I see how a player hitting T8 may be discouraged by the gear gap.

[Kneemin]

<p><cite>Enoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>jeez once again....</p><p>U can lvl lock yourself to do quests explore world slower and so on.</p><p>If u lvl lock for pvp ony it meens you are looking for unfair advantage against players who dont want to twink and gank.</p><p>So exp from pvp kills and writs is kind of penality for pvp lockers - u kill more then u r forced to lvl finally.</p><p>Its bad for locked gankers but good for server and regular players. All are crying about lower population on server. If we get fresh blood on pvp server and they are working on their 1st toon what chances do they have agains pvp locked twink? And after multi gank they just will say f.u. and change server or game. Maybe its fun for some but its really bad for server community. So i agree there have to be penalties for pvp lockers.</p><p>If you want to pvp you all are welcome on t8. Allow all low lvls chars exp peacefully. Let them learn pvp from same noobs as they are. Give them time to fall in love in eq2 as u did. Then kill them on high end tier <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Over and over again <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Please keep your "lvl 80 is the only pvp, gear up to be competitive" crap out of this post Enoe, this is about the IMPOSSIBILITY of getting LVL 70 ARMOR... not ganking at lvl 10.  This is not about how many ppl you kill at 80 as a guard, nor is it about you wanting me to lvl to 80, I plan on it EVENTUALLY, but I want my gear, and right now its IMPOSSIBLE to obtain, this needs fixed and THIS is the thread subject, please keep it there.</p><p>Ty,</p><p>~Knee</p>

[Kiara]

<p><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Since my other thread was locked, for no <strong>good</strong> reason and, my PM about why was not answered... I would like to re-instate the issue of the XP vs PvP gear.</p></blockquote><p>And now this one gets locked because restarting a locked thread without express permission to do so is against the forum rules.</p><p>You may not think your thread was locked for a <strong><em>good</em></strong> reason, but it was still locked and therefore isn't open to be reinstated.</p><p>Have a nice day!</p>