Fabled epic weapons

[Gism]

<p>any chance to change the way you obtain the fabled epic weapon because there is no way to find people for chardok, sebilis, karnors or quick help for the heroic trigered encounters. in the beginning this all was new and it was easier to find help for those zones. now that there is no need to help because everyone has the AA exp, has the loot, has all mythicals or is just annoyed of those zones, why should they go there?!? the last few days i startet to organize groups for chardok for hours and the only responses i got were: these zones suck so bad, do you have red, green, yellow access? well no i dont... well sorry... i understand that its a fabled item and it has not to be given for free, but something is wrong if its easier now to get from fabled to mythical than actually get the fabled quest done! dont get me wrong i do not ask for free or easier obtained epic weapons, make it even harder, but make it doable!</p><p>as great as it would have been to have a really long, great and challenging solo quest line. something like a second chardok instance, wich you have to enter at night. gates left open because they had a party and most guards are all drunken and wasted. a questline to disguise yourself as a drolvag so you can harvest the things you need in karnos castle... but this would take too much time to change now an should have been done in the first place.</p><p>my suggestions would be to just remove those heroic steps except for the instances. make harvestables buyable via faction merchants at 50.000 or change their location to instances because people still going there... maybe also be obtainable in TSO instances. make trigered heroic world encounters soloable.</p><p>im pretty sure that there will be no such changes, i just thought to let you know, how someone who just restarted playing eq2 feels about a few things. im just frustrated at this point because it all could be so much more fun. i realy like challanges and im not a solo player, i love grouping and its the only thing im looking forward in a mmo, but throwing someone only stones in the way is not challanging, its frustrating. and with the release of TSO im pretty sure it will be much harder for a lot of people to find a group for those steps. i also know that a few people maybe will tell me that the game is easy enough as it is or finding it unfair because they had to do it the "hard" way. well as did i. sorry you did not understood what i ment with this post. im here to play heroic content, challenging content but no ones there to play with me...</p>

[Oh]

<p><cite>Gism wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>any chance to change the way you obtain the fabled epic weapon because there is no way to find people for chardok, sebilis, karnors or quick help for the heroic trigered encounters. in the beginning this all was new and it was easier to find help for those zones. now that there is no need to help because everyone has the AA exp, has the loot, has all mythicals or is just annoyed of those zones, why should they go there?!? the last few days i startet to organize groups for chardok for hours and the only responses i got were: these zones suck so bad, do you have red, green, yellow access? well no i dont... well sorry... i understand that its a fabled item and it has not to be given for free, but something is wrong if its easier now to get from fabled to mythical than actually get the fabled quest done! dont get me wrong i do not ask for free or easier obtained epic weapons, make it even harder, but make it doable!</p><p>as great as it would have been to have a really long, great and challenging solo quest line. something like a second chardok instance, wich you have to enter at night. gates left open because they had a party and most guards are all drunken and wasted. a questline to disguise yourself as a drolvag so you can harvest the things you need in karnos castle... but this would take too much time to change now an should have been done in the first place.</p><p>my suggestions would be to just remove those heroic steps except for the instances. make harvestables buyable via faction merchants at 50.000 or change their location to instances because people still going there... maybe also be obtainable in TSO instances. make trigered heroic world encounters soloable.</p><p>im pretty sure that there will be no such changes, i just thought to let you know, how someone who just restarted playing eq2 feels about a few things. im just frustrated at this point because it all could be so much more fun. i realy like challanges and im not a solo player, i love grouping and its the only thing im looking forward in a mmo, but throwing someone only stones in the way is not challanging, its frustrating. and with the release of TSO im pretty sure it will be much harder for a lot of people to find a group for those steps. i also know that a few people maybe will tell me that the game is easy enough as it is or finding it unfair because they had to do it the "hard" way. well as did i. sorry you did not understood what i ment with this post. im here to play heroic content, challenging content but no ones there to play with me... </p></blockquote><p>I don't think that there will be any changes, but my alt warlock (yea yea I have more then 1 80) was able to do his fabled with pug's. Let me repeate that he was able to do it completely on his own with groups that were randomly picked up and didn't have to rely on my guildies or raid groups to get it. You just have to be avaiable to go help others get thier pieces done and then you can go do yours usually. There seems to be alot of groups wanting to hit chardok at times and other times none. I believe it's zerkers but I can be very wrong that needed a ton of some mob drops so you had a tank almost always wanting to go, and templars I believe need the library, and a few other classes too. It's just a matter of trying to get folks hookedup.</p>

[M0rticia]

<p>I don't think it should be changed at all. Epic weapons shouldn't be made easier to get.</p><p>I got mine on my 80 brigand with no real issues. I got into a PUG by asking on level chat and they helped me with my Chardok mobs (they needed updates in that zone too so we all helped each other). The rest was completed with the help of my guildmates.</p><p>If your guildmates won't help you, try asking in level chat. On Unrest, I see people nightly looking for help with epic steps. If I'm not busy atm, I'll help people. If people in my guild need help, I'm right there and willing to help them.</p>

[Gism]

<p>didnt said anything about making it easier... just thought about  changing a few steps/locations in those crap zones no one likes to go on my server. and btw, whats hard or challanging in that quest anyways? as you said on unrest there are plenty groups doing epic, doesent seem to be hard. if you have the people doing it with you, your fine. if not, not. no skill required or anything...</p><p>nevermind, depends on server you playing on i guess...</p><p>low pop european server ftl</p>

[Buttcliffe]

<p>A lot of classes are getting screwed in TSO with their AA's.</p><p>+</p><p>SOE has made getting to lvl 80 easy easy easy.</p><p>=</p><p>Lots of people on new chars who need gear/aa/epic-updates will be looking for PuGs.</p>

[M0rticia]

<p>I meant 'easier' in the sense of being able to solo most of it. It's not a difficult quest to do as it stands now. But making the majority of it solo or changing the way the entire quest is done after so many people have all ready completed it as it is now, would kind of 'cheapen' it in my opinion.</p><p>Seriously, I see people looking in level chat all the time for groups to get quest steps done. If anyone in my guild needs help getting something, we're all right there and willing to help.</p><p>Are you not guilded or do you not normally talk in level chat? Try asking around in your level chat and I'll bet there will be a few people willing to help out (either for gear/loot/xp/AA or because they need something in that zone as well).</p><p>Maybe this isn't a problem that is happening on other servers? It doesn't seem to be a problem on Unrest. As you said, you play on a Euro server that doesn't have a high population so maybe that has a lot to do with it.</p><p>Good luck getting your epic in any case.</p>

[Oh]

<p><cite>M0rticia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I meant 'easier' in the sense of being able to solo most of it. It's not a difficult quest to do as it stands now. But making the majority of it solo or changing the way the entire quest is done after so many people have all ready completed it as it is now, would kind of 'cheapen' it in my opinion.</p><p>Seriously, I see people looking in level chat all the time for groups to get quest steps done. If anyone in my guild needs help getting something, we're all right there and willing to help.</p><p>Are you not guilded or do you not normally talk in level chat? Try asking around in your level chat and I'll bet there will be a few people willing to help out (either for gear/loot/xp/AA or because they need something in that zone as well).</p><p>Maybe this isn't a problem that is happening on other servers? It doesn't seem to be a problem on Unrest. As you said, you play on a Euro server that doesn't have a high population so maybe that has a lot to do with it.</p><p>Good luck getting your epic in any case. </p></blockquote><p>Actually I think the issue is more this..</p><p><cite>Gism wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>low pop european server ftl</blockquote><p>It's very possibile that the OP is just playing at the wrong times for those servers, maybe any number of other issues preventing the OP from getting the groups required.</p><p>I still don't think that the quests should change YET, maybe after the next level increase might be a good time to change them, but that is then and this is now.</p>

[swedago]

<p>I am a European player on a US server...  I have Fabled Epic on 2 toons, and Mythical on one.  It is not impossible to do.</p>

[Terron]

<p><cite>Gism wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>any chance to change the way you obtain the fabled epic weapon because there is no way to find people for chardok, sebilis, karnors or quick help for the heroic trigered encounters. in the beginning this all was new and it was easier to find help for those zones. now that there is no need to help because everyone has the AA exp, has the loot, has all mythicals or is just annoyed of those zones, why should they go there?!? the last few days i startet to organize groups for chardok for hours and the only responses i got were: these zones suck so bad, do you have red, green, yellow access? well no i dont... well sorry... i understand that its a fabled item and it has not to be given for free, but something is wrong if its easier now to get from fabled to mythical than actually get the fabled quest done! dont get me wrong i do not ask for free or easier obtained epic weapons, make it even harder, but make it doable!</p></blockquote><p>There is a way to find people for those zones. It is called a guild.</p><p>Over this last weekend I got updates from Sebilis and Chardok on one toon and from Unrest, SoF, and triggered name kills in CL and Fens for another. I also helped guildees get updates in Sebilis, Chardok, and Chelsith (and one or two more).</p>

[Slamida]

<p>you want an item like this?  Get a group or solo forever!</p>