Former bruiser looking at a monk. Needs help =S

[Crypto1990]

<p>Alright I made a Bruiser and absolutely loved him. He was so much fun to play. He was that one class everyone desires on EQ2 that you love with all your heart. Then, of course, people tell me he's pretty much worthless at end game raiding. So, now I feel crushed. No other class has held my attention for so long.</p><p>How does a monk differ from a bruiser? I hear they are much better at end game. Do they tank well? Do they do good DPS? Do they solo as well as a bruiser? Anything else I need to know if I'm going to switch?</p>

[xKHONSx]

<p>Wait until after the expansion launches to make this decision.  The expansion isn't too far off and things may change drastically...</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p><cite>xKHONSx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait until after the expansion launches to make this decision.  The expansion isn't too far off and things may change drastically...</p></blockquote><p>Yup, what he said ^^^.</p><p>Hold fire for the moment.</p><p>Btw, your damage as a bruiser is better than we monks can put out.  In short you can kill things faster than we</p><p>can so what you loose indefense (that you would make as a monk) is balanced out.</p>

[Aull]

<p>I would wait till expansion is released before any sudden moves are made if I was you. I too play a bruiser and have enjoyed playing the class. I can say that right now monks are better end game group and raid mates with the raid/group wide buff and tsunami/peel combo being their strongest attractions. Other than that both brawlers will tank relatively the same with a slightly higher dps for the bruiser if buffed properly.</p><p>I have never played my monk to high enough lvl to tell the difference between the two. All and I do mean all my freinds play monks and not bruisers. They absolutely love the monk class. Being able to tank well, dps very well, stronger group abilities, and the solo capabilities are what make my friends love the monk class.</p>

[Couching]

<p>Don't do it.</p><p>Some high end monks already betrayed to bruisers.</p><p>More high end monks are going to betray in the upcoming TSO.</p>

[mr23sgte]

<p>Yep there won't be any Monks left after TSO ............</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>The NDA has now been lifted so I can tell you:</p><p>Don't bother being a monk.  Sony has truly bent us over and given us the shaft in this expansion.</p><p>They have nerfed some of our abilities and our new AAs are lame.  Im talking EoF tree lame..</p>

[Editedmind]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The NDA has now been lifted so I can tell you:</p><p>Don't bother being a monk.  Sony has truly bent us over and given us the shaft in this expansion.</p><p>They have nerfed some of our abilities and our new AAs are lame.  Im talking EoF tree lame..</p></blockquote><p>It's not so much as actively going out of their way to tick people off. I think it's more that it probably sounded good on paper. In effect, I think the idea is supposed to be that the monk is more defense focused with this expansion. . . On one hand, you can't please everyone, on the other you can probably tick a lot of people off.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>Lots and lots of people in beta are ticked off lol!</p>

[Couching]

<p>Basically, bruiser is superior than monk in every aspect except the raid wide buff is about even.</p><p>Our raid wide buff is slightly adjusted from 14.4% to 9.6%. Woot !</p><p>For tanking,the most imbalanced skill is :</p><p><em><strong>Bruiser got a better tsunami, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 2:30 minutes vs we got 20%parry 20% dodge, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 4 minutes.</strong></em></p><p>How could it be balanced? 100% deflection for 12 sec and reuse timer is only 2:30 minutes. What did we get? Our new skill reuse timer is 4 minutes and it's only 20% dodge and 20% parry.</p><p>For aggro management:</p><p>Bruiser got D&C working on every mob in the same encounter vs Our unnecessary enhancement on Peel. It's still a single target taunt.</p><p>Most group content are multiple encounters in TSO. We are screwed in TSO. Most casual monks will suffer difficulty in hold aggro as group tank. We are the worst tank in tanking multiple encounters.</p><p>For casual bruiser, you guys own monk in every aspect, better dps, better tanking and better aggro.</p><p>For raiding bruiser, you guys own monk in every aspect, better dps, better tanking and better aggro. With monk raid wide nerf and bruiser raid wide upgrade, there is little sense to not getting a bruiser over monk.</p><p>No wonder some top end monks, who are in beta, already betrayed to bruisers.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>Yup, what they just said ^^^^^.</p>

[Editedmind]

<p>Pretty much, though I'll probably just stick playing monk. Not because it's looking great, but I'm just lazy like that.</p>

[Mogzilla]

<p><cite>Couching@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><strong>Bruiser got a better tsunami, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 2:30 minutes vs we got 20%parry 20% dodge, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 4 minutes.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>Um the bruiser one is 40% deflection for 12 secs afaik and its on the same timer.</p><p>You guys also still have regular tsuami</p><p>You guys are seriously over reacting, the only thing that is different is that your RW got a slight nerf and the bruiser one got a slight boost.</p><p>Considering you already had the best RW buff in the game, its hardly a big deal.</p><p>Also the nerfed uncontested avoidence from everything but stances and sheilds, both brawlers are getting a singnifcant boost from this.</p><p>Considering that you guys pretty much owned bruisers for an entire expansion and you are almost twice our numbers at level 80 because of this. </p><p>Its just a rebalancing, you are no long hands down the best brawler, deal with it.</p>

[Orracle]

<p><cite>Mogzilla wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Couching@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><strong>Bruiser got a better tsunami, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 2:30 minutes vs we got 20%parry 20% dodge, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 4 minutes.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>Um the bruiser one is 40% deflection for 12 secs afaik and its on the same timer.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Dude, I have logged on my newly created bruiser on beta server this afternoon. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">It is 100% deflection and lasts 12 sec with 2:30 minutes reuse timer. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Stop making up stories. </span></p><p>You guys also still have regular tsuami</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Then where is our closed mind or stone deaf?</span></p><p>You guys are seriously over reacting, the only thing that is different is that your RW got a slight nerf and the bruiser one got a slight boost.</p><p>Considering you already had the best RW buff in the game, its hardly a big deal.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Can't you read? It's <em><strong>slightly </strong></em>nerfed to 9.8% and in fact, the new bruiser raid wide buff is even better than it. </span></p><p>Also the nerfed uncontested avoidence from everything but stances and sheilds, both brawlers are getting a singnifcant boost from this.</p><p>Considering that you guys pretty much owned bruisers for an entire expansion and you are almost twice our numbers at level 80 because of this. </p><p>Its just a rebalancing, you are no long hands down the best brawler, deal with it.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">In RoK, bruiser is better tank, better dpser than monk and monk has better raid wide buff. It is called balance.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">In TSO, </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">When bruiser has everything better than monk. It's called overpowered.</span></p></blockquote>

[Mogzilla]

<p><cite>Orracle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mogzilla wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Couching@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><strong>Bruiser got a better tsunami, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 2:30 minutes vs we got 20%parry 20% dodge, lasts 12 sec and reuse timer is 4 minutes.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>Um the bruiser one is 40% deflection for 12 secs afaik and its on the same timer.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Dude, I have logged on my newly created bruiser on beta server this afternoon. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">It is 100% deflection and lasts 12 sec with 2:30 minutes reuse timer. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Stop making up stories. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"><a href="http://www.yargnit.com/tsoaas/bruiser.jpg">http://www.yargnit.com/tsoaas/bruiser.jpg</a></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">It says 55% deflection there.</span></p><p>You guys also still have regular tsuami</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Then where is our closed mind or stone deaf?</span></p><p>You guys are seriously over reacting, the only thing that is different is that your RW got a slight nerf and the bruiser one got a slight boost.</p><p>Considering you already had the best RW buff in the game, its hardly a big deal.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Can't you read? It's <em><strong>slightly </strong></em>nerfed to 9.8% and in fact, the new bruiser raid wide buff is even better than it. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">I said it was nerfed silghty, big deal its still a good raid wide, unlike the present bruiser one which is completely worhtless.</span></p><p>Also the nerfed uncontested avoidence from everything but stances and sheilds, both brawlers are getting a singnifcant boost from this.</p><p>Considering that you guys pretty much owned bruisers for an entire expansion and you are almost twice our numbers at level 80 because of this. </p><p>Its just a rebalancing, you are no long hands down the best brawler, deal with it.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">In RoK, bruiser is better tank,</span></p><p><span style="color: #008000;">No, we are not, tsuanmi owns anythng a bruiser gets tanking wise.  And please do not bring up the myth, the only bruisers who have their myths on my server had to buy them or are alts lol.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"> better dpser than monk and monk has better raid wide buff. It is called balance.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">In TSO, </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">When bruiser has everything better than monk. It's called overpowered.</span></p><p> <span style="color: #008000;">Everything better?  I dont think so. You guys will still tank better due to tsuami (the myth has nothing to do with class balance), the RW will be even, and we will dps a bit better.</span></p><p><span style="color: #008000;">When I dps I generally do just a bit better then a monk, its almost insignifcant really.</span></p></blockquote></blockquote>

[mr23sgte]

<p>You keep dwelling on the Raidwide -- thats only a small part of the slap in the face....look at the big picture.</p><p>The Monk AA's are complete garbage...........</p>

[Orracle]

<p>Mogzilla, stoping being a tool,</p><p>We already told you that it is <strong>100% deflection, lasts 12 sec and 2:30 minutes reuse timer on beta right now.</strong> </p><p><strong>Stop link an obsolete info as your evidence.</strong></p><p>Not to say, we are talking about TSO and in TSO, bruiser raid wide buff is even better than nerfed monk raidwide. You keep saying monk raid wide is good now and bruiser raid wide sucks now is pointless.</p><p>Last, tsunami is not better than any other tanking tools.</p><p>Bottom line, mythical bruiser has it as well and mythical bruiser admitted that they are better tank than mythical monk in RoK.</p><p>And in TSO, bruiser got a better version tsunami, your excuse is gone.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>/sign.</p><p>With the exception of mebbe 3/4 AAs, most are total trash.  TOTAL TRASH.  There, I said it.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mogzilla]

<p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You keep dwelling on the Raidwide -- thats only a small part of the slap in the face....look at the big picture.</p><p>The Monk AA's are complete garbage...........</p></blockquote><p>Um yeah cause the are about the same as the bruiser AA, ok</p><p>Well except we have to spend AA points to make our raid wide better</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Mogzilla]

<p><cite>Orracle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Mogzilla, stoping being a tool,</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Nice i hope a mod sees this and warns/bans you for posting personal insults.</span></p><p>We already told you that it is <strong>100% deflection, lasts 12 sec and 2:30 minutes reuse timer on beta right now.</strong> </p><p><strong>Stop link an obsolete info as your evidence.</strong></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">How is something that never got released obsolete?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Trust me the monk said the exact same thing as the bruiser one except i was dodge and parry instead of deflection.  It will get changed.</span></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Not to say, we are talking about TSO and in TSO, bruiser raid wide buff is even better than nerfed monk raidwide. You keep saying monk raid wide is good now and bruiser raid wide sucks now is pointless.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Um they seem about equal now to me</span></p><p>Last, tsunami is not better than any other tanking tools.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Um yeah, you die when tanking due to spike damage, tsuami gives you 12 seconds for the healers to get your health back up.  Before their mythica bruisers get nothing to counter this except self heal, which monks also get, but monks also get tsnami</span></p><p>Bottom line, mythical bruiser has it as well and mythical bruiser admitted that they are better tank than mythical monk in RoK.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Yes because all bruisers have their mythical <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />  On my server I would say there 2-3 times the amount of raiding monks with their myths vs bruisers.  Its no secret that monks have been by far the preferred brawler in ROK since the expac launch.  Every recruting thread I have seen on flames for a brawler has been for a monk 9 out of 10 times the other time just being a call for a generic brawler slot (which is still 50/50 monk).  </span></p><p>And in TSO, bruiser got a better version tsunami, your excuse is gone.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I am almost 100% sure monks will get the exact same fix</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">On those pics i linked it was</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">40% deflection for the bruiser version</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">20% dodge, 20% parry for the monk version </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I am sure they will both be changed consecutively.</span></p></blockquote>

[BChizzle]

<p>I think as a whole we just need to ignore this guy.</p>