Whats the Monk's roll in raiding?

[mr23sgte]

<span ><font color="#d2c5a9"> </font> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class </p></span>

[circusgirl]

<p>A monk should be doing mid-level dps in raids while providing some serious utility (we DO have an awesome buff) and increasing the effectiveness of the tank.  A raid monk should be able to have 75% avoidance or higher while still in offensive or balanced stance, which we give to the tank to drastically increase their surviveability, switching to defensive for really tough mobs to give them an even better shot at living.</p>

[TheAssassin21]

<p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p> <p>We have no group buffs or utility</p> <p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p> <p>No AE DPS</p> <p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p> <p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p> </span></blockquote> <p>i think i disagree w/ just about everything said...</p> <p>utility- i'm usually the OT's OT (when he gets feared or disarmed at Druushk!!), or the MT healer's bodyguard at OverKing, etc...i ALWAYS have a role...</p> <p>Best Raid Buff- Cleric's love me <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>No AE DPS- Crane Flock puts me pretty high on the parse!!</p> <p>Why would i need to replace a pally or guardian tanking, especially wearin leather...not gonna happen...know ur role, and do it well. oh, and i can tank long enuff when one goes down to keep the raid goin, until they recover.</p> <p>DPS- all depends on the group set-up...was finishing top 5 on the parse in PR...switched groups was middle of the road...</p> <p>as long as ur guild is progressing, does it <em>really</em> matter if ur not top DPS or tank??</p> <p>No...no it doesn't.</p>

[Dorieon]

<p><cite>TheAssassin21 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p></span></blockquote><p>i think i disagree w/ just about everything said...</p><p>utility- i'm usually the OT's OT (when he gets feared or disarmed at Druushk!!), or the MT healer's bodyguard at OverKing, etc...i ALWAYS have a role...</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Thats cool, but don't forget that we OT sometimes as well.</span></p><p>Best Raid Buff- Cleric's love me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Shamans love you more than Clerics.....if you're in the raid for this then I am sorry.</span></p><p>No AE DPS- Crane Flock puts me pretty high on the parse!!</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">On what? The roamers in Kor-sha? A bad pull? The first Avatar add wave?</span></p><p>Why would i need to replace a pally or guardian tanking, especially wearin leather...not gonna happen...know ur role, and do it well. oh, and i can tank long enuff when one goes down to keep the raid goin, until they recover.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Maybe they aren't there and you need a tank.</span></p><p>DPS- all depends on the group set-up...was finishing top 5 on the parse in PR...switched groups was middle of the road...</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Grats. No offense but top 5 in a zone that you can Dev fist adds means very little.</span></p><p>as long as ur guild is progressing, does it <em>really</em> matter if ur not top DPS or tank??</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">You're right. As long as you continue to be useful. When you stop being useful, or someone else can do it, why keep you along? </span></p><p>No...no it doesn't.</p></blockquote><p>I hear you Hereo and I probably have the same thought you do.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p></span></blockquote><p>Can you stop fragrantly breaking beta NDA thanks.</p>

[Ocello]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p></span></blockquote><p>Can you stop fragrantly breaking beta NDA thanks.</p></blockquote><p>Fragrantly????  FRAGRANTLY????  Does it SMELL funny to you or something????  The word is flagrantly, and he did no such thing.  Calling someone out when they did nothing wrong, and screwing up the english language = FAIL.</p><p>And as far as our raid role goes, we are one of 3 lucky fighters that are invited to raid.  No, it isn't as DPS and no it isn't as a tank per se, but we are ALWAYS wanted on raid.  Enjoy it and be glad you aren't a bruiser/SK.</p><p>If a mob gets loose, hit Tsunami and Peel, keep it for 12 seconds, then FD.  If your MT can't get it back then find a new one.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p></span></blockquote><p>Can you stop fragrantly breaking beta NDA thanks.</p></blockquote><p>That made me ROTFL!</p>

[Xanrn]

<p>Yeah Crane Flock does not equal AoE DPS.</p><p>The Wis line aoe proc sucks hardcore.</p><p>The Wis line aoe attack sucks hardcore.</p><p>Dragonfire is mediocre.</p><p>Cobra Circle sucks.</p>

[Ocello]

<p>Yeah we will never be confused with an AoE DPS class.  Dragonfire isn't too bad IF you can get 2 pieces of your VP set, pretty much doubles the damage of it.  Still hard to land on multiple mobs though. </p><p>And same thing with Crane Flock, mob positioning is a pita, especially since they almost have to be standing on top of each other for it to hit all mobs.  Most mobs like to fan out around you, which is actually a good AI thing imho. </p><p>Rolling a zerker, and THIS is what AoE DPS is suposed to be.  Freaking beast.  And straight up DPS too.</p><p>In summation, yeah we do decent DPS, can help gather up a loose mob when needed, and even tank some.  But we are pretty much on raids for our haste buff.  Without that, we are easily replaceable.  Either way, great job by SoE to find something that would be desireable to a raidforce and giving it to US and not a bruiser or another fighter.  I ain't mad atcha.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hereo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span><span style="color: #d2c5a9;"> </span> <p>Discuss - cause I'm not seeing the big picture ............ </p><p>We have no group buffs or utility</p><p>Best Raid Buff (for now /cough)</p><p>No AE DPS</p><p>Strong single target aggro, but not enough to warrant replacing a Guard or Paladins better tanking ability </p><p>Not enough DPS to replace a true DPS class</p></span></blockquote><p>Can you stop fragrantly breaking beta NDA thanks.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #99cc00;">I don't see how they are breaking NDA, these are currently known Issues and while we have a decent raid buff, I doubt it will be long before others get better then us.</span></p>

[Buttcliffe]

<p>The simplest solution i see now for my brawler is to quit paying SOE money and wait for darkfall while playing some FPS for actual pvp.</p>